[00:00] <daftykins> *the
[00:15] <daftykins> Bashing-om: damn on that BIOS update :/
[00:19] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Well ! Still licking my wounds ,, considering how else I might do otherwise than I have done . Maybe just too old of hardware for the new age stuff .
[00:22] <Bashing-om> Now Bios chokes on checking memory - restarts on checking that 2nd back . gonna run mem-test all night, and see what results .. kernel sees all the ram ... hummm ...
[00:24] <nicomachus> ahhh I got it!
[00:24] <nicomachus> I had to use =CLEAN first to clean up the number formatting.
[00:25] <nicomachus> turns out reddit is actually helpful someties.
[00:25] <nicomachus> sometimes*
[00:27] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: :) If at 1st you do not succeed - go drink a cup of coffee and then google it . - there is nothing new under the sun .
[00:28] <daftykins> XD
[00:28] <daftykins> Bashing-om: mmm is that the POST screen memory tests going funny?
[00:30] <Bashing-om> daftykins: yeah .. funny thing is that if I bypass the post .. boots just fine to grub ... still with no nouveau driver though when the OS starts to boot.. shucks .
[00:31] <daftykins> it's starting to sound more and more likely that nouveau simply does not cater well for the 710 variant
[00:32] <daftykins> i'd probably have reinstalled with the new BIOS on the SSD to see how it behaves as a sole disk, but that memory thing is definitely going to be more major
[00:33] <Bashing-om> Oh, I am pretty satidfied that is the case .. kernel hollers ! " kepler, unknown chip set " .. and just stalls .
[00:35] <daftykins> sadly one of those areas Linux continues to move at a glacial pace!
[00:37] <Bashing-om> And yes .. same same thought to see what the SSD looks like from a liveDVD of 16.04 .. and try a fresh clean install of a (x)ubuntu . Gonna wear the SSD out with re-installs .. be about the 6th time .
[00:37] <daftykins> haha, ah NAND can take a lot more punishing than that
[00:41] <Bashing-om> Not all bad IF I can get the system to behave with the SSD to re-install .. I much prefer a custom partition set up . But I am getting more practice than I want installing/setting up my apps in 16.04 :)
[00:41] <Bashing-om> AND I still like my 14.04 much much better than 16.04 !
[00:41] <daftykins> mmm nothing to be gained out of 16.04 really
[00:42] <daftykins> i'd probably have it all scripted up if i used it like you guys do ;) clean installs i mean
[00:42] <Bashing-om> Well, we got to learn systemd - sooner or later , it is here to stay .
[00:42] <daftykins> what do you tend to do with /home on your SSD + HDD combo?
[00:44] <Bashing-om> separate /home .. separate /var . I have learned a thing or two about crashing the system .. good to have logging elsewhere than on the /root partition .
[00:46] <daftykins> mmm, though with an SSD setup i'd keep /home on it and just mount the mechanical into it i think
[00:48] <Bashing-om> daftykins: What I do is symlink to my /data partitons on the spinners . - OR that is the plan .
[00:49] <daftykins> :D
[00:50] <Bashing-om> I had considered leaving /var on the spinners .. but not sure how much that would save in the long term for wear on the SSD .Anyway .. a few years I bet SSDs will be like memory is now .. cheap .
[00:51] <daftykins> now that's something i'm 100% behind
[00:57] <daftykins> i've yet to have an SSD die, such a long history of mechanicals dying though
[00:58] <nicomachus> and always the furthest possible point in time away from a backup.
[00:59] <daftykins> :D ah well i've used RAID for forever to be safer against that
[00:59] <daftykins> hmm client email'd earlier to say his trusty travelling Lenovo X240 has been causing trouble
[01:00] <daftykins> also warns of being sick though, so it's like "come and pick it up if you dare..."
[01:01] <Bashing-om> And my stanard response .. How ya like ubuntu ??.. wont take but 20 to set ya up .
[01:02] <daftykins> hahaha
[01:02] <daftykins> maybe for those that live out of a browser :>
[01:02] <daftykins> and have lucky hardware...
[01:03] <Bashing-om> New wine on old skin .. maybe a lesson learned at my own expense . But I have just begun to fight !
[01:11] <nicomachus> daftykins: so you mean 75% of users? :P
[01:15] <daftykins> i doubt it's that high
[01:15] <daftykins> maybe on the browser bit, but i highly doubt it on the issues after install front due to hardware
[04:04] <OerHeks> de-facto,  your tor is in econymode?
[04:04] <OerHeks> err economy
[07:17] <ducasse> hi all
[07:21] <daftykins> good morning o//
[07:21] <daftykins> oops i clapped by mistake
[07:31] <ducasse> did you see the pic of what i woke up to yesterday?
[07:34] <daftykins> nope!
[07:34] <ducasse> http://imgur.com/a/pZxRL
[07:35] <ducasse> now there's more :(
[07:36] <daftykins> :O
[07:38] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/vcgQIzE.jpg :D
[07:38] <ducasse> oh, and btw, that's kind of the light level we get now. a little brighter later in the day, but soon that will go too.
[07:38] <daftykins> oof
[07:39] <ducasse> haha, fantastic! :)
[07:41] <daftykins> are you quite far north, then?
[07:43] <ducasse> not that far, but in a couple of weeks the light level gets really low. mid-december it's just dark.
[07:46] <daftykins> i can tell my happiness takes a hit over here, can only imagine how much it'd suffer in that D:
[07:46] <daftykins> especially at the idea of shovelling snow ;)
[07:47] <ducasse> yeah, it's... not optimal :)
[07:50] <ducasse> btw, are you familiar with thinkpads?
[07:52] <daftykins> client has an issue with his X240 right now as it goes
[07:52] <daftykins> but nah, i don't have a broad knowledge of them
[07:53] <ducasse> i'm thinking of buying an older t420s as i vaguely ecall those often being recommended for linux...
[07:54] <daftykins> mmm no idea about that, i know someone who knows a lot about them but he doesn't use Linux
[07:55] <ducasse> nvm, i'll do some googling. i might also just buy some ram and stuff for my current laptop, but don't really want to spend money on it.
[08:01] <daftykins> how old is it? like which gen CPU?
[08:03] <ducasse> first gen i3 :(
[08:05] <ducasse> all i need it to run are an x server, i3, a lot of terminals and a browser. the browser thing is where more memory would be nice.
[08:07] <daftykins> :>
[08:13] <ducasse> how's the weather you're getting? seen any snow yet?
[08:17] <daftykins> nah we don't get any
[08:17] <daftykins> down to 7 deg C though so i've finally started using the heating!
[08:18] <daftykins> i've got 8GB RAM minimum in my machines now \o/
[08:18] <daftykins> 32GB in that new deskie
[08:19] <ducasse> my desktop has 32gb, but this laptop has only 4.
[08:20] <daftykins> hrmm
[08:20] <daftykins> so why'd you browse from it?
[08:20] <daftykins> my file server used to have 4 :>
[08:22] <ducasse> my desktop is in another room, i use the laptop in the living room some of the time.
[08:22] <ducasse> the file server uses zfs, so it has 16gb. plenty for now, i don't use dedup.
[08:23] <daftykins> ooh the fashion
[08:23] <ducasse> fashion?
[08:24] <daftykins> of file systems :>
[08:24] <ducasse> if you're talking about zfs, it's pretty old. i used to work with solaris, so i learned it there.
[08:25] <ducasse> solaris was nice, sad sun is gone.
[08:26] <daftykins> not quite the sentiment
[08:27] <ducasse> you don't like?
[08:27] <daftykins> i just didn't mean its' age is all
[08:29] <ducasse> oh. i really like zfs, though, it's just so much nicer to work with than btrfs for instance.
[08:31] <ducasse> btw, you're a bike man - can you recommend some brands that have cheaper models?
[08:32] <daftykins> we only get about 3 brands over here XD small shops
[08:32] <daftykins> also only mountain bikes with me
[08:33] <daftykins> i have hardware RAID so the file system doesn't really matter, not considered changing
[08:35] <ducasse> it's mostly mountain bikes i'm interested in. i couldn't afford a nice controller, if/when i do i might reconsider. there are still nice things about zfs a raid controller can't give you.
[08:39] <daftykins> welp, when drama strikes i've always been nice and calm and happy with what's in front of me :>
[08:40] <daftykins> we mostly get Specialized bikes stocked in the local shop
[08:46] <ducasse> i'll need to look around, see what's available here at all. there's a specialist shop not too far from me that also has refurbished bikes.
[08:51] <daftykins> i do have a few minimums to look for, we were going to buy my dad a bike for his 60th - plan got delayed as he's ill right now though
[08:52] <daftykins> minimum is disc brakes for sure, as rim brakes are such a hassle
[08:52] <ducasse> that's a good tip, thanks.
[09:06] <daftykins> surely it can't be the season to buy with that snow out there? :D
[09:08] <ducasse> lower prices :)
[09:09] <daftykins> ah cunning
[09:10] <ducasse> there will soon be a lot of last year's stock they want to get rid of.
[09:10] <daftykins> mmm the old models going out
[09:11] <daftykins> my brother is such an idiot, at the suggestion of getting a "going-out" years model to save money he sniffed at the thought, i suggested that the wheel won't be radically reinvented just yet
[09:11] <ducasse> right, the model year means nothing to me.
[09:13] <ducasse> there are probably very few improvements that can be made to the wheel, unless something drastic changes.
[09:14] <daftykins> :D
[09:14] <ducasse> like pi suddenly equalling 5 :)
[13:04] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[20:39] <tengelic> y