[00:00] hi gav [00:00] :) [00:01] darin> what and how do i install new driver packages into kubuntu [00:01] from the intel site [00:04] sintre: Looking on the Intel website, forum comments suggest 16.04 has the current latest drivers. What is the model/year of your laptop? [00:04] http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/inspiron-15-3558-laptop/fncwc105sb [00:04] 3558 [00:04] bought its 18tgh of last month [00:04] 18th [00:05] sintre: I really suspect Plasma 5.6 is a big part of your problem. Do you know how to install the backports ppa? [00:05] sintre: I can guide you through it if needed. [00:05] nope [00:05] sure i can go grab new note book and tyupe with you on this one [00:05] brb [00:06] sintre: not much note taking needed, from a terminal: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports [00:06] sintre: follow with: sudo apt update [00:07] one sec booting new botebook [00:07] sintre: then: sudo apt full-upgrade [00:07] so this upgrades plsma? [00:08] sintre: yes, it will upgrade several Kubuntu packages including plasma. [00:09] sintre: so run those three commands and re-login or restart... [00:10] lol miss spelled one thing wrong here i go typing again lol [00:13] k went thru it [00:13] its now says 242 pqckages can be upgraded [00:13] wtf [00:14] wants me to list them all [00:14] anyway to upgrade all of them [00:14] yes upgrade all. [00:14] ohh saw your command one sec [00:14] Plasma 5 is under heavy development. [00:15] k there she goes [00:15] 2 min estimate , guess alot of pacjkages [00:16] Many new features and bug fixes coming out every week. The packages in 16.04 are months old. It will take quite some work for the developers so backport current packages to 16.04, so to run the with the latest feature and fixes, you need to run more recent distro releases. [00:17] well seems eve new release is old [00:17] 16.10 [00:17] doesn't have a update for this stuff in unbuntu either [00:17] the like orignal ubuntu that is [00:18] its "unpacking now [00:18] " [00:20] 35% boy does this have alot to unpack and install :) [00:20] sintre: yes, even 16.10 is a little old, but it does have newer packages and its easier for the developer to backport the new stuff that stagin for 17.04 into 16.10 than it is for 16.04. [00:21] sintre: Yes, this is a time when you really apreciate an SSD. [00:21] he god man it took me 27 screwes and an hour to get to the fkin hdd on this new alppy [00:22] i've gone cracke da case but this was almost complet diesembly [00:22] minus two screes and a latce for the lcd screen [00:22] guess what you gotta endure for an extra quarter inch thinness [00:23] and being cheap hehe [00:23] sucks though to upgrade ram i gotta buy new lv crap [00:23] 135 instead of the old modules and 1.5 volts laying around [00:24] but hey i got its for 350 , plus 17 dollar e gift card for new ram down the road [00:24] 329 plus 20 tax [00:25] seems to be done and and konsole promt gonna reboot new lappy [00:25] Wow, most Dell's are not so much trouble. I have seen that kind of chaso on HP laptops though. [00:25] boot away. [00:25] look at service manual i was like wtf [00:26] almost all dells i've had 4 so far atleast allow you easy access to hdd and ram [00:26] well new updated and reboot fine [00:26] gave me new start up wallpaper lol [00:27] yes, same here. My newest one has 1 screw to remove the entire back. Access to ram, hdd, fans, wifi cards all under on big cover. [00:27] unfurtately my old/ new one for me was same thteee screws on back [00:27] Good. Now try the HDMI to see if it works better. Note: the version you have is still buggy but much better than the prior. [00:27] but this summer my ac unti got hit by lightning [00:28] and fucking hit the whole house with stacic electricyty [00:28] didn't think about the pc in my closet [00:28] Took out your laptop? [00:28] yea because i was worried about my lights and ac [00:28] i was an idiot two months later i got to boot it mobo seems dead [00:29] fkin sucks 8 gigs rame 1.5 volt 2.5 ghz 3 gen 13 and barely fkin used [00:29] lappy was around 10 feet from lightning strike [00:30] , ballis for flourecent lights 35 feet [00:30] put so much energy in the metal ballist , it stop the lights from working [00:30] took them out let them dicharge for a few dasys and they worked [00:30] didn't think to do that with lappy [00:30] :( [00:31] Wow. [00:32] or i could tourtcher myself and hope something is "loose in there [00:32] but not look for a super disesmbly atm [00:32] just did one [00:33] well with updates seem , fine but the liiving room tv in use atm so no way to test hmdi for awhile [00:33] do you know any command to becnh mark and make sure its running sata 3 [00:34] High voltage typically does not knock anything loose on electric parts, more likely fried. [00:34] yea i i agree with that :( [00:34] i wanna part it out and send it at shipping cost maybe somebody might be able to use the parts [00:35] the ram and maybe the batter [00:35] Plasma should not crash anymore and dual monitor should work much better (not perfect but better). The KDE devs are still fixing dual monitor in Plasma 5.8.3.... [00:35] this ssd survived , i tooked it out of the fried lappy [00:35] good to hear they're working on it [00:44] I have ditched windows 10 about amounth a go, I first tried Mint KDE, I liked it but there was some features I didint like and in the past week I have upgraded to Kubuntu 16.10 [00:45] just to say ,,,,,dual monitor is still a PITA in plasma 5.8.3 ,,,,,,still prefers the right side of the main display and you may get a plasma crash if just plugging in and half to do a "plasmashell &" to restart plasma ,,,,,this on Neon with a [00:46] cmd: Graphics: Card NVIDIA GK104M [GeForce GTX 860M] [00:46] cmd: Display Server X.Org 1.18.4 driver nvidia Resolution 1920x1080@60.01hz [00:46] cmd: GLX Renderer GeForce GTX 860M/PCIe/SSE2 GLX Version 4.5.0 NVIDIA 370.28 [00:48] well tried again with alppy and hdmi tv [00:49] lappy [00:49] same crap, shuts downs laptop scrwe automaticly [00:49] then presents a 1/4th image on screen on tv [00:49] at left side lol [00:50] i guess its seting for duel displays is unfified rendering [00:50] unfified , but that won't work [00:50] lol [00:51] some bugs to say the least , but plasma didn't crash yet lol [00:52] can you change the display resolution of the TV in system settings>display and monitor [00:52] hello [00:52] hi [00:52] :) [00:53] hi [00:53] are you busy? [00:53] how are you [00:53] Nope why [00:53] i am fine [00:53] Ok i have a query [00:54] who can here speak Spanish? [00:54] I can use google translator as I only speak English [00:55] oooh okey [00:55] good [00:55] well [00:55] ok found dumb work around [00:55] i have a homework [00:55] even though when i plug in tv laptop is set to be primary display [00:56] the homework is about [00:56] its shut laptop screen off and gives me one 1/4th of the scree on tv [00:56] move junk overand over and hit duplicated siplay on tv [00:56] now its mirrowed [00:56] but resolution on tv still horribly low [00:56] mmmmm ??? TV?? [00:57] 35 in hdtv [00:57] manu scraptre [00:57] ok bye, i dont have any idea what you talk [00:58] is it in a Virtual Box setting? [00:59] it simply says unifed output [01:00] only way to get them both to be on at same time without turning off notebook screen and giving tv a samll 1/4th box of screen [01:00] but that in of itself is a challenge having to drage of boxes to small space on tv to get it to work [01:01] but yea its 100% in far lowe resolution , than tv can do or notebook is doing [01:02] i hit break unified outputs it says it running in virtual 1 [01:04] ok wtf this just worked [01:04] hi [01:04] i went got the screens together in the little box [01:04] systemd-r 15414 systemd-resolve 16u IPv4 303381 0t0 TCP localhost:domain (LISTEN) [01:05] how can i disable systemd dns server [01:05] and checked the resolution [01:05] o each [01:05] i disabled dnsmasq [01:05] now both are mirroed at their highest resolution [01:05] but systemd-resolve is using 53 port [01:05] so this unfurtately doesn't work like out of box automaticly [01:06] let me go check sound thru hdmi [01:07] ok mistake i fixed resolution , but it turned into an extended display not a close lol [01:07] clone [01:07] ohh well [01:11] well i'm done on this project for the night [01:12] seems i can get an extended display on tv at its native resolution , but a not a clone display seems notebook screens resolution limits it for some reason [01:13] also still have to littleraly unplug hdmi cable to get notebook screen back to working after i swtitch to tv [01:13] well with time hopefully it'll work out :) [01:13] but no plasma crashes so thats good [01:15] sintre: I suspect your laptop resolution is 1368x768 and your tv is probably 1920x1080. So if you unify the screens, the TV will run at lower resoution. Sounds like the scaling is not working as it should if only a partial screen is displayed. [01:15] yep exactly [01:15] tc high resolution [01:16] and that is exact resolution of my lappy and my tv :) [01:16] even though i hated win 10 so much i did test it and it would output different resolutions [01:16] so i guess another thing for the multi monitor kde specialials hopefully to get to sometime [01:16] :) [01:18] also it automaticly sends command to run on hdmi and shut down notebook screen , which make it impossible to configure anything without yanking out hdmi cable [01:18] probally put more where on usb port last 5 hours tha i normally would in 6 months [01:18] no hard feelsing love kubuntu , just wish basic stuff worked out box a bit better [01:19] all i can contribute is some feedback :) [01:20] sintre: what is you GPU info [01:20] Intel® Core™ i3-5005U Processor (3M Cache, 2.00 GHz) [01:21] sintre: download neon and run live boot and see if the latest plasma fixes you issue. The new plasma is hopefully coming to kubuntu soon so thanks for being patient. [01:21] got a link for neon ? [01:21] https://neon.kde.org/download [01:22] got it saved thx for link [01:22] you have intel CPU integrated graphics ? [01:22] shut new pc down for night [01:22] yes vinny [01:22] http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/inspiron-15-3558-laptop/fncwc105sb [01:22] this is my new budet lappy [01:22] old one got fried by lightning :( [01:23] this is like my dinasuar notebook i'm typing on now [01:23] whopping 2 gigs ram core 2 duo [01:23] 1.4 mhz [01:24] although it can funicion because i had a bestbuy coupon and a 120 gig ssd on sale lol [01:24] getting some life out of it still [01:24] and normally i can type better but these keys sticka bit lol [01:40] hello [01:40] hi [01:41] how use mobile broadband in plasma 5 [01:41] i can't find it [01:42] i'm a nocie user myself , but some guys that are alot more knowledgable seems to check chat once and awhile [01:42] novice sry [01:43] first thing i'd do is just google that exact question and read some forums , in the meantime [01:43] helped me with some configuration problems [01:47] click yor network icon in the system tray ,,,,,,click the icon to the far rite of the airplane icon ,,,in the settings window that should open click "add" ,,,select broadband [02:24] my apologies, Im stuck with both Firefox and Chromium both asking me to install the latest Flashplayer. Im very novice to Linux but love it [02:25] when you installed you os did you check install unsuported extras? [02:25] or third party extras [02:26] if not go back and reinstall [02:27] i wish i knew the get command for you maybe somebody else here does , but i did that a few times trying out linux drove me mad , thats the reason why [02:28] probally save you time if you are installing froma say flash drive 10 mins one check you missed and your good to go [02:28] actually here it is [02:29] open comand terminal [02:29] copy paste sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras [02:29] sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras [02:29] that should do it :) [02:30] yes [02:32] might need to reboot after download and install , come back and tell me if it worked :) [02:32] < boring night [02:36] rebooting now be back and thx [02:36] np hope it works === __edwarD__ is now known as __edward__ [07:47] since upgrade to 16.10, something seems to eat up tons of RAM. How can I find it? free/htop show 13.6G in use, but the sume of RES is less than 3. There's also a tmpfs in ram but df shows 1.4G is used. Where is the other 8G going? [07:48] weird [07:50] even if I add the full tmpfs size (6G), it doesn't add up [07:50] so the system is swapping all the time, getting hard to work with [07:50] I have 16.10, system activity, htop and top all show me the usual [07:51] valorie: any suggestions how to investigate this? am I misinterpretting the numbers I see? [07:51] I find system activity (esc. + cntl) the best, actually [07:52] I just shut down all the big apps (firefox, chrome, thunderbird,pidgin, etc.). Hardly anything running, still shows 13.2G in use [07:52] and I think this has grown, last time I checked (yesterday or the day before) it was at 9+ (which is also way too much) [07:52] but where is that RAM going? [07:53] use system activity [07:53] there are tabs to help you drill down [07:53] what's that? [07:53] could be baloo? [07:53] you mean system monitor? [07:53] in a new install, it runs for awhile, indexing [07:54] control and escape [07:54] title on the top is system activity [07:54] valorie: how do I run it? [07:55] doesn't come up in k menu [07:55] control + escape and it will pop up [07:55] it's built into plasma [07:55] got it [07:55] shows the same as system monitor no? [07:56] I guess [07:56] under memory I don't see anything that could amount to 13G [07:56] I like the different ways you can display info [07:56] in great detail [07:56] maybe 2-3 [07:57] valorie: you mean the drop down on the top right? [07:57] if you hover, there is more info [07:57] valorie: nice, good to know [07:57] yes, and to the right (all processes) you can display in different ways [07:57] but I don't see anything relevant at the moment :-) [07:58] valorie: is there a way to check how much the kernel itself is using, or something else that might be hiding it? [07:59] hmmm, system processes [07:59] but that seems broken down into a lot of different bits [07:59] searching for kernel gives nothing [08:00] so I assume it is broken down [08:00] systemd for instance sometimes takes a lot [08:00] maybe when it is logging? [08:00] not sure [08:00] I have a beefy laptop so I rarely care [08:01] strange, I see 10 bash processes, but have only 2 tabs in konsole, is that normal? [08:01] that I don't know [08:02] ah, and it shows 3 processes with konsole in the command (I see only one) [08:02] crons? [08:02] one of them described as zombie [08:03] valorie: oh, now I see the detailed memory info on right click menu... nice :-) [08:03] yeah [08:03] it's an excellent tool [08:03] I used to install monitor stuff [08:04] but that's right there, always [08:04] so apparently I have a konsole that disappeared, any way to get back to it? [08:04] hmmm [08:04] (still doesn't account for memory, but something about this seems off as well) [08:05] I've heard that there is, using the terminal [08:05] but I can't recall how [08:05] google might help with that [08:05] * valorie is headed to bed, sorry [08:06] best of luck finding that incantation [08:08] valorie: thanks === claydoh is now known as Guest90408 [09:39] hello [09:41] hi [10:59] Hi, I need to reset my kubuntu (16.04 Xenial)'s display configuration, I found this http://askubuntu.com/questions/223486/how-do-i-reset-my-display-settings-from-the-command-line , but I cannot delete/remove any old disconnected display [11:00] everytime I connect my kubuntu to any of the old display, the configurations, go wrong, I cannot even control the laptop anymore, I have to disconnect it [11:00] because of the black screen [11:01] can anyone plz help me out [11:35] AMD or nvidia graphics card? [11:38] nvideo [11:38] i just figured [11:38] I think i need to install the drivers for my card [11:39] not sure how I can port this https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201408-15385/ to my laptop [11:46] atdprhs: remove ~/.local/share/kscreen/* [11:46] atdprhs: that's where each monitors settings are stored [11:47] I just did this [11:47] thanks hateball [11:47] atdprhs: and you should be able to install any missing proprietary drivers (like nvidia) with: sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall [11:48] but what i'm concerned about, in my office, I get into the same problem of seeing the black screen when attaching the external monitors [11:48] I have about 2 additional monitors [11:49] atdprhs: 16.04 is not great with multimonitors, so you will likely want to upgrade using the backports ppa [11:49] atdprhs: to do that: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports && sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade [11:49] no new drivers for ubuntu-drivers autoinstall [11:49] What does the backports do? [11:50] atdprhs: gets you a later version of plasma that fixes a number of multimonitor bugs [11:50] it's still not perfect [11:50] oh sweet [11:50] I remember, I had install 2 fixes manually [11:50] atdprhs: if upgrading to 16.10 is an option you'll get an even later version [11:50] hopefully that this follows up [11:51] hateball, I'm the only one in the office that uses Kubuntu (I don't want it look like I'm troubleshooting the OS more than doing my work lol) [11:51] :) [11:51] Based on your experience, how do you find 16.10 :D [11:52] Well it is more polished than 16.04 [11:52] hopefully we will get plasma 5.8 backported to 16.04 some day tho [11:52] what about troubleshooting? [11:52] atdprhs: What do you mean troubleshooting? [11:52] Do you find yourself troubleshooting it's issues more than 16.04 [11:53] I'm considering upgrading to 16.10 if it's really better than 16.04 (specially from the troubleshooting part) [11:54] Well I cant really say I have any issues [11:54] kscreen/plasma/qt/whatever still bugs out and loses track of my multimonitor settings, but wiping the configs and starting again fixes that [11:54] there are still some multi-monitor issues in 16.10's plasma 5.7. some we may be able to backport fixes, but others may have to wait for a full plasma 5.8 backport [11:54] doesnt happen too often [11:56] @acheronuk, do you think it's worth upgrading rather than waiting for 5.8 or wait would be better? [11:57] I'm running Zest now, and use Neon on my laptop, so my view on that is not likely to be objective or helpful [11:57] *Zesty [11:58] @hateball, when I attach the additional monitor, it keeps blanking, or sometimes only the bottom panel keeps blinking and then all the screen goes blank only at the right side, I can see my mouse pointer and can only move it strictly in a vertical position up and down only [11:58] atdprhs: are you using nvidia-settings to configure it? [11:58] nope, display configuration [11:59] I'm not in the office, I'm at home at the moment, so I cannot do any tests at the moment [11:59] @acheronuk, you mean this >> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/10/official-ubuntu-17-04-codename [12:05] lol in http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/10/download-ubuntu-16-10-flavors , first comment >> "Has the HDMI bug in Xubuntu been fixed yet? So many versions, same old problem..." [12:06] atdprhs: yes. but I'm one of the people making kubuntu, so I run out development release on some things [12:07] atdprhs: if you are using nvidia binary blob I suggest you use nvidia-settings to configure stuff [12:07] tends to work better, in my experience [12:09] I am using the default Display Configuration on Kubuntu, I don't think I'm using nvideo binary blob [12:09] I'll have to google nvideo-settings [12:10] @acheronuk: I'm thinking about trying to join Kubuntu development, but don't know from where to start... [12:10] nouveau driver for nvidia is still pretty bad for my cards [12:10] the actually Nvidia one is a 'must' for me [12:10] though I don't use multi-monitor, so can't comment if it fixes any issues with that [12:12] I know about this >> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/GettingInvolved/Development [12:12] atdprhs: best place is #kubuntu-devel [12:13] that's good to know, thanks @ahoneybun [12:13] np [12:13] @hateball i'm still backporting [12:13] done [12:14] thanks @hateball [12:14] I'll try it out tomorrow, and see how it goes... [12:14] also will check nvidea-settings [12:17] atdprhs: you'll need to restart the session once the upgrade is done of course [12:17] Hi, im running KUbuntu 14.04.5 LTS 4.2.0-42-generic [12:17] i've noticed that suspend isn't working anymore [12:19] https://paste.kde.org/pm4mauurt [12:19] yes, I'll shutdown the computer now [12:19] I just checked nvidia-settings, and it's already installed [12:20] I'll check it out tomorrow, thanks again, goodnight everyone [12:20] goodnight @hateball [12:31] help [12:31] i not see nicknames [12:34] :( I don't see nicknames [12:40] holy fudge is dolphin pooched in 16.04 [12:41] trying to copy files to and from fat32 is rough [12:45] why is fough [12:46] *rough [12:46] keeps failing copying an iso file [12:47] also trying to write to files at once to fat32 thumb drive is ....painful [12:47] soooo sloww [12:59] fat32 has limitation [12:59] 2GB in a single file [13:01] 4 [13:03] plus my iso was only 700 megs [13:04] yes, 4GB size [13:04] sorry [13:04] this is been a thing in kubuntu for ages [13:05] but I am getting many more errors then normal [13:07] what errors [13:20] Hi folks [13:28] hi === mgolden is now known as mgolden_ === mgolden_ is now known as mgolden__ === mgolden__ is now known as mgolden_ === emanuele is now known as Guest76619 [15:40] I've got a linux box on a wired network and access to a wireless network, I'd like to use the kubuntu box to bridge them. help? The wireless network is an island, the wired is my lan. [15:45] Simonious, so you have a router for the wifi and a switch for the LAN feeding a modem ? [15:46] BluesKaj: the wifi is actually an ESP8266 [15:47] BluesKaj: the ESP is in access point mode, I can connect to it with my phone.. [15:47] Simonious: take a look here for instructions on a few ways to do that.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing [15:48] Simonious, so where does your wifi connect to the internet? [15:49] BluesKaj: the wifi doesn't, the wire does [15:49] I want to bridge it with the kubuntu box [15:50] nevermind , I'm not making myself understood [15:52] BluesKaj: ultimately the wifi (the esp8266) will connect to the internet via the kubuntu box. [15:56] I seem to be missing the driver for the wifi card :/ === claydoh is now known as Guest70412 [16:35] are backports automatically installed? [16:35] when I upgrade ? [16:37] ChetManly: No [16:37] Kubuntu Backports are not automatically added to your list of sources. [16:37] You need to add the kubuntu-backports to your list of sources [16:44] mgolden_: thought after 11.04 it was automatically done [16:44] !backports [16:44] If new updated packages are built for an application, they may go into Kubuntu Backports, which is one of the official Kubuntu PPAs. See https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs for more information. [16:45] ok how do I do this ? [16:47] https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs#Kubuntu_Backports probably does not make it clear enough that those are terminal commands. Best to open a konsole. [16:47] After the first you will need to enter your sudo password, and say OK on importing a key. [16:47] The second should just run (and run, and run). [16:48] marco-parillo: I figured it out, wow I wish I knew this before [16:49] no whammies !!! o_0 [16:50] ChetManly: FYI - it always has and always will work the way it does now. When you run backports, you're running a different version of major software than the one originally released. [16:50] OK. I think I will edit that page to make it more clear. [16:50] wonder what was in 14.04.05 backports [16:50] marco-parillo: yes please [16:50] sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports [16:52]