[02:37] <diddledan> anti-trump: https://twitter.com/maddowblog/status/796509578926182400
[02:52] <diddledan> http://imgur.com/a/OuJ3K
[08:01] <knightwise> morning
[08:51] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:09] <diplo> Morning all
[09:20] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Thursday, and happy Sesame Street Day! 😃
[09:21] <SuperMatt> Now that is a day I can get behind
[09:21] <SuperMatt> Big Bird for president!
[09:21] <zmoylan-pi> oscar the grouch for running the military...
[09:22] <zmoylan-pi> cookie monster for health
[09:22] <SuperMatt> oh don't be so silly
[09:22] <SuperMatt> clearly the best candidate for running the military is Grover
[09:23] <SuperMatt> http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/muppet/images/c/c1/Supergrover.jpg
[09:25] <zmoylan-pi> oscar practically lives in a bunker already...
[09:28] <davmor2> JamesTait: can only be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXqMzmFSX_4
[09:29] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: he does now trump is incharge ;)
[09:29] <zmoylan-pi> i hope it's roomy in there as a few more residents will be trying to get access
[09:30] <knightwise> Morning :)
[09:32]  * knightwise hopes interwebs are less depressing today
[09:33] <zmoylan-pi> time to break out your emergency terabyte drive of kittens...
[09:33] <TwistedLucidity> Yesterday was a bit of a Hobson's choice to be honest. The best candidate got shafted by his own party
[09:35] <foobarry> "his"
[09:36] <foobarry> oh i see
[09:36] <foobarry> from all acounts it seems people didn't have the stomach to vote hillary even though they knew it was potentially a trump enabler by not doing so. i can understand that
[09:37] <knightwise>  I think Unity Sucks , KDE is better
[09:37]  * knightwise desperately tries to change the subject
[09:38] <zmoylan-pi> emacs... the misunderstood os...
[09:38] <knightwise> VI , the only way to Quit it is to get a girlfriend
[09:39] <zmoylan-pi> nano... because you loved wordstar...
[09:40] <knightwise> The best linux distro is OSX
[09:40] <zmoylan-pi> os/2: we haven't gone away you know...
[09:40] <knightwise> Stallman, the new Staln
[09:40] <knightwise> Stalin
[09:41] <zmoylan-pi> the nsa and gchq: proving stallman right
[09:52] <TwistedLucidity_> Ah good, my other self has finally quit
[09:56] <zmoylan-pi> which one has the goatee? #justaskingnoreason
[10:03] <TwistedLucidity_> It's not me with the split personality....it appears to be my network :-(
[10:03] <zmoylan-pi> so... an evil network...
[10:07] <TwistedLucidity_> Meh, Windows VPN; can't get much worse
[10:09] <zmoylan-pi> ms bob vpn... coming soon...
[10:28] <knightwise> TwistedLucidity_: you are just bipolar :p
[10:28] <knightwise> or schizo
[10:35] <TwistedLucidity_> Anyone trying to run VoIP phones over Virgin Media?
[10:39] <daftykins> might be better to ask the actual question
[10:51] <BigRedS> I have used a VoIP phone over Virgin Media, it didn't take very much tryingf
[10:58] <AtroStarz> Complete failure to get Ubuntu mentioned on the desktop: Where is Canonical's media Dept. ?
[10:58] <AtroStarz> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/askjack/2016/nov/10/which-desktop-pc-should-i-buy-for-working-from-home
[11:11] <popey> hahaha, Jack Schofield is a massive Windows fanboy.
[11:14] <daftykins> i think the persons machine should be upgraded for cheap rather than just 'cure' it with a whole new desktop ;)
[11:19] <popey> I didn't read it, I just know jack only writes about microsoft
[11:30] <TwistedLucidity_> SIP services seemed to go down for ~1 hour
[11:30] <TwistedLucidity_> Working now
[11:32] <TwistedLucidity_> Start spamming him: "Dear Jack, What would be the best choice for <insert GNU/Linux distro> desktop? I also want to do some gaming, so a decent GPU is a must."
[11:33] <TwistedLucidity_> In fairness to "Jack", the user seems to have specific software needs that require Windows (i.e. MS Office).
[11:33] <TwistedLucidity_> If it's professional use with plugins; no, LibreOffice will not do it.
[11:34] <TwistedLucidity_> Although in that case, why no just ask Internal IT?
[11:34] <TwistedLucidity_> Whut? "A PC is more likely to crash if it runs out of memory than if it runs out of processing power."
[11:34] <TwistedLucidity_> Oh...wait a minute....
[11:35] <daftykins> TwistedLucidity_: well if gaming was on the cards, Linux wouldn't be the choice
[11:35] <TwistedLucidity_> popey: Is that our regular drive-by Canoncial Castigater?
[11:35] <TwistedLucidity_> daftykins: Every game I want to play runs on GNU/Linux. \o/
[11:36] <daftykins> then you're in the minority
[11:36] <TwistedLucidity_> I'm oppressed!
[11:36] <daftykins> wat
[11:36] <TwistedLucidity_> Rather bad semi-bad Blackadder reference
[11:36] <popey> TwistedLucidity_: yes
[11:36] <TwistedLucidity_> IIRC more top titles are coming out with GNU/Linux support (on Steam at any rate).
[11:37] <TwistedLucidity_> popey: Ah. Explains much
[11:37] <TwistedLucidity_> Such a shame Steam boxes died a death.
[11:38] <popey> I don't have enough time to play all the steam games I have on my linux box :)
[11:38] <daftykins> i saw them in shops in the US, just a bit weird really
[11:38] <popey> I have 301 games, of which 187 run on Linux.
[11:38] <popey> Yeah, I use a steam link, rather than a full steam box
[11:38] <popey> Love the steam controllers.
[11:38] <TwistedLucidity_> I really wish I could get the time to play Kerbal.
[11:38] <TwistedLucidity_> And Trine
[11:38] <TwistedLucidity_> And Fex
[11:39] <TwistedLucidity_> And...
[11:39] <daftykins> mmm tried one, just prefer an xbox one pad though
[11:39] <popey> I never got into KSP
[11:39] <popey> yeah, I like the xbox ones, but the steam one is so much better
[11:39] <TwistedLucidity_> I crash. A lot.
[11:39] <popey> hah
[11:39] <daftykins> well, i don't agree - also there's lacking game support
[11:40] <TwistedLucidity_> It's not at parity, but it's the chicken/egg thing.
[11:40] <TwistedLucidity_> Vulkan could put a cat amongst the pigeons /IF/ it's faster on GNU/Linunx.
[11:40] <TwistedLucidity_> Gamers hold allegance to one thing - FPS.
[11:40] <popey> I've found every game I need works with it.
[11:40] <daftykins> well it doesn't need to be faster, it just needs to start by being equal and widely available
[11:41] <TwistedLucidity_> It's still in development, no? And you have to wait for Unity et al to provide support too.
[11:42] <daftykins> a Linux build you mean? no idea, all i know is i snagged the latest 'Doom' game demo which has Vulkan support in
[11:42] <popey> Speaking of Unity.. I have been playing with that, it's fun.
[11:42] <popey> made a little multi-player networked game
[11:42] <TwistedLucidity_> Sweet
[11:43] <daftykins> i feel that although it enables the masses to make things, it's mostly bloated output that'd run better if done well
[11:43] <popey> nice that I can do that on Linux, and spit out Windows, Linux and OSX binaries from it
[11:58] <daftykins> that's quite neat
[13:39] <TwistedLucidity_> Soooo....another story about Munich ditching F/OSS.
[13:40] <TwistedLucidity_> http://www.techrepublic.com/article/open-source-pioneer-munich-debates-report-that-suggests-abandoning-linux-for-windows-10/
[13:49] <popey> again?
[13:49] <daftykins> hmm, bit of a mistake to give the choice - as people will always favour the path of least resistance
[14:01] <foobarry> github makes it so easy to fix code in real life projects :D
[14:01] <foobarry> for a non coder
[14:04] <diddledan> the only thing I don't like about github is that you need to use github if you want to contribute to a project on github. e.g. you can't fork to a gitlab instance and create a PR from there back to github
[14:07] <foobarry> fair do's though
[15:01] <diplo> anyone use restructured text ?
[15:01] <diplo> rst format ?
[15:02] <diddledan> diplo: I've done some minor tweaks to the .net documentation which is in rst, but I don't really understand the format
[15:03] <diplo> heh, I'm ok at it ( wrote a lot! ) but just wondering if I can do code stuff ie :: inside of a list
[15:03] <diplo> Can't work it out atm
[15:03] <diplo> so basically have 1. lots of text here and follows with an example of code inside the list ::
[15:05] <diplo> hahaha found it, love it that everytime I ask for help I work it out! been looking for ages :D
[15:07] <diddledan> I find sometimes putting into words what you're struggling with can help you think of better terms to google for
[15:07] <diddledan> there's a school of thought that you only really understand something when you are able to describe it to someone else. I think that's a similar idea..
[15:08] <diplo> Well if you come across it in the future, need to double tab the code inside of the list :)
[16:05] <diddledan> davmor2: transcoding the movie worked
[16:05] <diddledan> I did it with handbrake in the end
[16:05] <daftykins> o0
[16:06] <diddledan> daftykins: I had a disc that makemkv wouldn't recognise the main title from
[16:06] <diddledan> it was running at approx 113 fps, which I'm assuming is why makemkv wouldn't see it
[16:08] <daftykins> XD
[16:08] <daftykins> was that not a standard film then?
[16:08] <diddledan> which is 29.97 (base ntsc rate) * 2 (to make it ntsc field rate) * 1.9
[16:09] <diddledan> it was a film, but I think the frame rate was on purpose to prevent copying
[16:10] <kvd_> awkward
[16:10]  * kvd_ has just rendered a vid but it's massive like a few hundred meg for about 4 minutes
[16:11] <daftykins> smells like 4K
[16:12]  * diddledan sniffs
[16:12] <diddledan> pooo
[16:12] <diddledan> stinky
[16:12] <davmor2> diddledan: \o/ did the resultant video work though
[16:12] <daftykins> aww yeah, ripped a bunch of music for a client again and instead of taking a drive up there, i can just SCP it to his file server direct :D yay 10Mb upload \o/
[16:13] <diddledan> `o/
[16:13] <diddledan> \o/
[16:13] <brobostigon> anyone know where i can get libwww-ssl-dev for 16.04 please. i have hit a deadend.
[16:13] <daftykins> ooh your poor arm
[16:13] <daftykins> !find libwww-ssl-dev xenial
[16:14] <diddledan> wat
[16:14] <diddledan> W: and W: and W:???
[16:14] <daftykins> all the W
[16:14] <brobostigon> odd.
[16:15] <diddledan> brobostigon: what package are you hoping it relates to?
[16:15] <diddledan> libwww-perl exists
[16:15] <diddledan> afaik all libwww-* packages are perl-related
[16:16] <brobostigon> i am trying to compile https://ryzomcore.atlassian.net/wiki/display/RC/Build+Source+on+Linux and said is a dependency
[16:20] <diddledan> yeah those docs look very outdated
[16:21] <brobostigon> i cant find anyhting newer, hence me trying to work the problem out.
[16:21] <diddledan> try without the libwww dependency at all
[16:22] <diddledan> i.e. try installing everything else and run the compile to see if it's missing anything
[16:23] <brobostigon> good diea, yes.
[16:23] <brobostigon> let me try.
[16:23] <daftykins> http://dev.ryzom.com/boards/17/topics/1979
[16:24] <daftykins> nevermind that link is useless
[16:25] <diddledan> dev.ryzom.com looks to be irrelevant too
[16:26] <diddledan> as in the whole site there
[16:26] <diddledan> seems they've moved their issue tracker to https://bitbucket.org/ryzom/ryzomcore/issues?status=new&status=open
[16:26] <brobostigon> yes.
[16:27] <daftykins> a mate used to work at atlassian
[16:27] <daftykins> before moving to the dark side permanently and *gasp* being employed by Apple
[16:28] <brobostigon> ah, oh dear.
[16:29] <daftykins> blech, natwest Guernsey making all account holders fill out CDD (client due diligence) forms
[16:29] <diddledan> what're they?
[16:31] <daftykins> essentially a 10 page document where you have to tell them all the stuff they already know, like provide your identity, home address, etc
[16:31] <daftykins> anti money laundering test exercise basically
[16:37] <diddledan> so why don't they do that to people on the mainland?
[16:38] <daftykins> well over here we have some of the same banks as you guys, but due to the fact we're a wholly different place with different laws and outside the EU, they have to run separately
[16:38] <daftykins> for example, when i went to Uni i went in the nearest NatWest and was told that i could get more info out of the ATM than they could do in-branch, so i had to open an account there to do most things
[16:38] <daftykins> was really quite the hassle
[16:39] <diddledan> I can imagine
[16:39] <daftykins> it's kinda funny though because when NatWest UK enabled android pay a bit ago, it was auto there for me - also i see the online banking system behaves the exact same way, so they're all the same systems i'm sure
[16:39] <daftykins> just probably pointing to a different database server, if that
[16:40] <diddledan> it all goes to the mothership :-)
[16:45] <brobostigon> a led zeppelin saized mothership :)
[16:45] <brobostigon> sized*
[18:40] <kvd_> How does it folks
[18:46] <davmor2> It does well
[18:48] <zmoylan-pi> well apart from trump, brexit, and putin making threats to eastern europe of course...
[18:49] <diddledan> and the toblerone. damn that toblerone!
[18:52] <popey> ooh, dirt 3 free on humble bundle https://www.humblebundle.com/store/dirt-3-complete-edition-free-game
[18:59] <kvd> >.<
[18:59]  * kvd knows nothing of the toblerone thing
[19:23] <daftykins> diddledan: hear hear!
[19:23] <daftykins> or is it here here, oh well
[20:43] <popey> aptanet: hey, about your nextcloud box, are you running the original sd card that came with it?
[21:54] <zmoylan-pi> diddledan, i saw toblerones in shop today on special... sitting there like nothing was wrong...