[09:48] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:54] <daftykins> \o
[10:56] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[10:56] <daftykins> hmm i have broken VDPAU on my old retired HTPC and can't work out what's up
[10:57] <zmoylan-pi> but if it's retired, does it matter?
[10:57] <daftykins> yeah, 'cause i have a few the same up at a clients, so i'm using mine as the guinea pig for a fresh install
[10:57] <zmoylan-pi> so... not quiet retired then...
[10:57] <daftykins> well it was for me :> i brought it down from the shelf of abandonment!
[10:59] <zmoylan-pi> no no, the shelf of abandonment is one step up from floor of despair which is itself one step up from centre of recycling...
[10:59] <zmoylan-pi> it still had a ways to go before retirement...
[11:01] <daftykins> i feel like it's as simple as the right lib in the wrong place but i've no idea what's meant to be where
[11:03] <zmoylan-pi> ah... debugging stuff that's so old its considered obsolete... it's like archeology... you need a hat and a whip to fight off the dust bunnies
[11:05] <daftykins> it's actually current on all software, it's just VDPAU broken
[13:59] <diddledan> this year refuses to quit! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-37957088
[14:05] <popey> yeah :(
[15:10] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6xsl6mjebh1a7ar/20161111_140640_resized.jpg?dl=0 client just phoned from down in Spain, the guys installed non waterproof MDF skirting boards - that's what happens when they get wet
[16:27] <diddledan> daftykins: dang
[16:27] <diddledan> that looks bad
[16:27] <daftykins> pretty bad workmanship indeedy
[16:27] <daftykins> wooden floors, so you could just mop once and see the whole lot expanding
[16:28] <daftykins> like a diddled mac ;D
[16:54] <daftykins> o0
[16:55] <popey> ouch
[16:57] <penguin42> daftykins: That's pretty impressive
[16:59] <daftykins> i'm impressed with how he managed to discover that they're wrong
[17:43] <foobarry> went for an eye test today. "and when was your last test sir". ermmmm, i haven't had one before
[17:44] <diddledan> why isn;t the drink bourbon made of bourbon biscuits?
[17:44] <penguin42> foobarry: Did you find the need?
[17:44] <penguin42> diddledan: Or indeed the other way around?
[17:45] <diddledan> I really need to do an eye test, too. it's been 4 years since my last confession.
[17:45] <foobarry> i'm in my 40s and my mum has glaucoma , and so did my dad
[17:45] <penguin42> ah
[17:45] <foobarry> and i've been getting (perhaps smartphone induced) eyeball pains
[17:46] <diddledan> I make 34 in March
[17:46] <foobarry> i was reading the lines
[17:46] <penguin42> foobarry: So they tried to do the puff-test pressure stuff on you?
[17:46] <foobarry> trying to do the bottom one
[17:46] <foobarry> yep, photos of eyeball etc
[17:46] <foobarry> managed to read the bottom line..
[17:46] <diddledan> \o/
[17:46] <foobarry> then she said the top one was the 20/20 vision one
[17:46] <diddledan> I can't do that even with lenses
[17:46] <foobarry> turns out my eyeballs are fine
[17:46]  * penguin42 hates that pressure test; they normally have to try 3 or 4 times
[17:47] <foobarry> however the muscles get tired sometimes
[17:47] <foobarry> i probably need a bigger phone next time or to use it less
[17:47] <daftykins> penguin42: ah yeah that's annoying
[17:47] <foobarry> i don't need glasses yet but as the years roll on, i will inevitably need reading glasses
[17:47] <daftykins> i used to get made to do the peripheral vision dome test which used to run from floppy, ouch
[17:48] <diddledan> daftykins: floppy?!
[17:48]  * diddledan flops
[17:48] <foobarry> she looked inside my eyeball with a torch which was a bit intimate
[17:48] <foobarry> her face about 1inc from mine
[17:48] <Myrtti> my eyesight is actually getting better as I'm getting older
[17:48] <penguin42> foobarry: Oh yeh you get to know your opticians forehead well
[17:48] <daftykins> diddledan: don't copy that!
[17:49] <daftykins> that's when you hope both of you have good breath
[17:49] <foobarry> Myrtti: long->short crossover?
[17:50] <diddledan> I've got a floater in one of my eyes. I notice it when I look down and then back-up occasionally
[17:50] <foobarry> the funny thing is my wife came into the optician with me.
[17:50] <foobarry> because she didn't really trust me to actually go ahead
[17:50] <diddledan> foobarry: bless her. she must like you :-)
[17:51] <foobarry> because i'd waited 41 years before having one
[17:51] <foobarry> its not quite dentist levels of scary but i was apprenshive of hearing something permanent
[17:52]  * penguin42 is really going to have to do a dentist sometime
[17:52]  * diddledan keeps quiet about doing dentists
[17:52] <foobarry> i did that last month
[17:52] <foobarry> 2016 is my year of getting things done
[17:52] <foobarry> even bought new mattresses for the bed and bought a piano
[17:53] <diddledan> I need a whole new bed
[17:53] <penguin42> foobarry: Lets just put it this way; I've put off dentists as long as you've put off eye tests
[17:53] <foobarry> oof
[17:53] <foobarry> i would have no face left
[17:53]  * penguin42 isn't sure he has much
[17:55] <daftykins> i had a reminder card from mine actually, hmm
[19:01] <diddledan> my sister is in the strictly come dancing audience tonight
[19:01] <daftykins> ooh-err
[19:01] <daftykins> can't stand such types o' TV :P
[19:16] <zmoylan-pi> i was once a phone a friend on irelands version of who wants to be a millionaire... but the person chose a different person when he used his phone a friend
[19:16] <daftykins> !
[19:16] <daftykins> did they then lose? )
[19:16] <daftykins> * :)
[19:16] <zmoylan-pi> yes, and i knew the answer to the question that was asked...
[19:17] <zmoylan-pi> where is the rosetta stone? 1) new york, 2) london, 3) paris, 4) cairo
[19:18] <diddledan> cairo
[19:19] <zmoylan-pi> after the british took it off napolean? your museum will never give it up for that alone
[19:19] <diddledan> it belongs to the world
[19:20] <zmoylan-pi> absolutely but it will always sit in a british museum
[19:21] <Myrtti> I cried when I first saw it in London
[19:21] <zmoylan-pi> and now with 3d scanning and 3d printing soon any museum will be able to knock up a replica
[19:23] <daftykins> at a stone?
[19:24] <zmoylan-pi> it represents science and knowledge recreating our ability to understand a dead language.  a real achievement
[19:24] <diddledan> a famous person once said "Human knowledge belongs to the world."
[19:24] <zmoylan-pi> then we invented copyrights...
[19:24] <diddledan> he also said "This isn't a game! In the real world, when you kill people they die—for real!"
[21:27] <Gargoyle> Any kernel compilers online?
[21:27] <penguin42> people? programs? shell scripts?
[21:27] <Gargoyle> people! :-)
[21:27] <zmoylan-pi> shell scripts are programs too!! :-)
[21:28] <Gargoyle> Getting an error from editconfigs, and google is a black hole
[21:28] <penguin42> and the error is?
[21:29] <Gargoyle> gisting.....
[21:29] <Gargoyle> https://gist.github.com/gargoyle/00adfb96a6ca61cde547e4c5310f2651
[21:30] <penguin42> oh, easy
[21:30] <penguin42> install libncurses-devel
[21:30] <penguin42> you're missing the curses.h header
[21:31] <Gargoyle> libcurses-acaml-dev ?
[21:31] <penguin42> sorry, it's libncurses-dev on ubuntu (possibly libncurses5-dev)
[21:32] <penguin42> no, not acaml
[21:32] <Gargoyle> I don't get that as an option (touble tapping tab)
[21:32] <Gargoyle> *double
[21:33] <penguin42> what distro and version are you on?
[21:33] <Gargoyle> 16.10
[21:34] <penguin42> you don't have    libncurses5-dev ?
[21:34] <penguin42> (wth apt-cache search curses.h is just listing ncurses-hexedit)
[21:36] <Gargoyle> normal ubuntu
[21:36] <Gargoyle> and apparently, 0% battery!
[21:36] <penguin42> pedal faster!
[21:37] <Gargoyle> damn this retina display... missed the "n"
[21:38] <daftykins> ugh macs
[21:38] <Gargoyle> hmmm
[21:39] <Gargoyle> Seems to be working now... thanks! :-)
[21:39] <Gargoyle> Maybe I'll find some stuff to make this mac better! ;-)
[21:39] <zmoylan-pi> can you install os/2 on a mac? :-)
[21:39] <daftykins> that one looked mighty google-able by the way Gargoyle
[21:40] <Gargoyle> ha ha
[21:41] <daftykins> no i'm serious
[21:41] <penguin42> Gargoyle: So if you ever find something saying it's missing a header just find which package has the header
[21:42] <Gargoyle> penguin42: will do
[21:53]  * diddledan googles daftykins
[21:53] <diddledan> Quite hard.
[21:54] <zmoylan-pi> it's irc, you're supposed to bing him...
[21:56] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/bbpztC6GHqw
[21:56] <diddledan> I'm not sure I've ever googled with bing
[21:57] <diddledan> If you're never seen him, scott hanselman from microsoft does fun presentations/talks about .net
[21:57] <diddledan> You've**
[21:59]  * diddledan googles zmoylan-pi with bing
[22:00]  * zmoylan-pi sets gopher with rabies on diddledan 
[22:00] <diddledan> :-(
[22:00] <diddledan> Sadface
[22:01] <zmoylan-pi> thank goodness it's been eliminated in uk and ireland...
[22:02] <diddledan> Gophers?
[22:02] <zmoylan-pi> rabies
[22:02] <diddledan> Aha
[22:02]  * diddledan gophers zmoylan-pi with nutscrape 1.0
[22:02] <zmoylan-pi> took a few years over 100 years ago iirc
[22:03] <diddledan> Netscape few
[22:03] <diddledan> Ftw
[22:03] <diddledan> Netscape is gonna beat microsoft
[22:04] <zmoylan-pi> i kept using netscape 4.something or other long after they stopped development
[22:05] <zmoylan-pi> well when they released their code as open source it did help spur the development of firefox... which broke ms's lock on the browser market
[22:05] <diddledan> Firefox still uses the ns prefix on all it's function names
[22:06] <diddledan> Not to be confused with Apple's ns prefix
[22:09] <daftykins> g'night \o
[22:10] <zmoylan-pi> see, i told you bing would work :-)
[22:10] <diddledan> I got an email from mozilla yesterday saying they're working on big things for firefox called "quantum"
[22:11] <zmoylan-pi> it jumps into the body of other browsers? oh boy...
[22:11] <diddledan> Haha
[22:33] <brobostigon> could someone higlight me please.
[22:34] <diddledan> brobostigon: no
[22:34] <brobostigon> thank diddledan :)
[22:34] <brobostigon> thanks*
[22:35] <diddledan> I said no
[22:35] <diddledan> Oh, dammit
[22:35] <diddledan> :-p
[22:36] <diddledan> You tricked me!
[22:36] <zmoylan-pi> don't tell him your name diddledan
[22:37] <brobostigon> :)
[22:40] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: you mean dan?
[22:40] <diddledan> Oh ffs
[22:40] <brmbrmcar> play nicely now
[22:41] <diddledan> brmbrmcar: they keep tricking me! :-(
[22:41] <brmbrmcar> awww
[22:41] <brmbrmcar> Don't be mean to diddledan