[08:37] morning boys and girls. [08:38] hey brobostigon [08:38] hi knightwise [08:39] what are you up to this morning ? [08:43] voluntary job to go to 11am till 3pm. [08:51] hmm on a sunday ? :( [08:54] yes. [09:12] I'm cramming away on my chromebook a little. [09:12] seeing how much fun you can have with a 200 euro machine [09:15] knightwise: :) [09:19] and there is something delightfully wrong with running opera with its default Vpn client on a chromebook :) [09:20] lolz [12:31] as I recall there are some keen gamers in here, I'm trying to hunt down a wireless arcade stick, like the old wildcard type device, even better, a double, anyone ever used/found one [12:32] actually, wasn't called the wildcard [12:32] thats the wrong name [13:11] ikonia: to play with games in steam or other? (like emulators or whatever)? [13:12] ikonia: http://www.jasenscustoms.com/ come recommended [13:12] (not currently in stock) [13:15] popey: thank you, non-steam games, emulation mostly [13:16] I ended up buying a picade to do that kind of thing [13:16] which comes with a reasonable joystick and 6 buttons [13:16] so this is all being powered from my pi [13:17] but my pi is hidden out of sight, and I want to play some classic arcade games with the full on arcade stick....but wireless [13:17] ah [13:17] looks just what I'm after actually, hard to get all the info on it as it's out of stock it seems most of the site is just empty about it [13:18] i recently bought an 8bitdo SNES30 controller [13:18] (not what you're looking for, I know) [13:18] well, it is too [13:18] They do a lot of different controllers [13:18] I was trying to find proper wireless snes controllers [13:18] ended up with logitech junk [13:18] I found it near impossible to get it working with bluetooth on linux [13:18] oooh I like a challenge :) [13:18] so I ended up plugging the USB cable in, which makes it appear as a joystick [13:19] mame "just works" with it in that mode [13:19] yeah, usb would kill me, due to the location of the pi [13:20] can't have a long usb cable? [13:20] I mean, I know that's shit, but hey ho :) [13:20] it would be quite an effort to run that, plug it, unplug it when done etc etc [13:20] possible, but not first choice [13:20] right [13:22] 8bitdo look nice device, love the usa snes and jap famicon controllers [13:22] they where always my favourite [13:23] https://github.com/retropie/retropie-setup/wiki/Setting-up-an-8bitdo-Bluetooth-controller [13:23] very well documented too [13:23] yeah, and they do firmware updates and stuff [13:23] ooh, not seen that page [13:23] will give that a go [13:24] looks like the key is matching the frequency to the firmware [13:24] (without reading in depth) [13:24] yeah [13:25] if I got this working, I'd probably attach a pi to the TV in the lounge and use that for emulation stuff [13:25] pretty much what I've just done [13:26] hmm, very tempting [13:26] be nice to have a stick to play mortal kombat and street fighter 2 though, [13:26] I have a micro sd card in the picade which has everything I ever want to play on it, I can just duplicate that and put it in another pi on the TV [13:26] hmmm, good plans [13:26] I think this could be a go-er [13:26] it's almost too easy [13:26] yeah [13:27] the only problem for me will be if I have enough HDMI ports :) #firstworldproblem [13:27] i just upgraded my amp in the last 4 weeks, so I now have 8 inputs :) [13:27] nice [13:27] I saw this problem coming [13:27] and not 11? :-P [13:27] i don't have a big room for decent audio [13:27] so have a sound bar on my xmas list [13:28] ahhh thats probably the only thing I do like about my house is my living room, it's great for audio/TV [13:28] nice :) [13:28] so I'll make the most of it [13:28] while hating the rest [13:28] hah [13:28] but it's all about offset/compromise of course [13:28] ok, now trying to think of reasons not to just do this now [13:28] as it's sunday [13:28] you won't [13:28] I tried [13:28] I have a spare pi 3 laying around [13:29] haha [13:29] right, thanks :) [13:29] it took my 8 minutes to set it up and get it working just nice, the rest of the time has been looking for a controller I like [13:29] I'm sure you can invest 8 minutes [13:29] already on it [13:29] 7:30 and counting [13:30] will take more time dding the sd than anything else [13:30] I did it on am mac and I was shocked how quick it was [13:30] approx 1 minutes onto a 128mb micro sd [13:30] never seen it that quick [13:31] although maybe I'm used to linux support of SD readers sucking [13:31] so to use one with good support in the OS seems a treat [13:33] this is a 32GB one that is full of roms [13:33] I've got quite a few emulators going and wanted to store roms for quite a few setups [13:33] didn't want to do it over nfs [13:33] so 128gb seemed pretty cheap and easy [13:33] wowzers [13:34] thats a lot [13:34] I think the whole lot comes in at around 85GB [13:34] snes/nes/mega/master system/neo/mame/c64/amiga [13:37] ah bum, turns out the one in my retropie is indeed 64 [13:37] * popey adds another 64 to the cart [13:37] I like your attitude [13:48] hmm [13:48] nothing on telly screen [13:48] changed hdmi_safe=1 but still nothing [13:49] it's up, I can ssh into it over wifi [13:50] \o/ hdmi port oddity [13:57] Hmmm I used to have that on an old tv [13:57] it just never synced...ever [13:57] luckily I changed the TV before I actually needed it to be working so never had to have the full fight [14:03] all working [14:03] just need to setup bluetooth thing now [14:05] exciting [14:05] watching your bluetooth situation as my digital guinee pig [14:05] :) [14:06] doing a dist-upgrade first as haven't done that for a while [14:06] it didnt find the snes30 initially, so doing this to see if that fixes it [14:06] glad I setup mac address thing on my router so I know the IP of this thing when it has no display [14:07] also, need to sort the aspect ratio out, it's drawing a 4:3 box on my 16:9 telly [14:07] which will be fine in game but in the uI I'd expect it to be right [14:08] taking ages, i think the wifi on the pi is a bit tardy [14:10] * popey unloads the washing machine while that does its thing [14:16] will have to finish this later, kids dragging me out of the house to go pokemon hunting [15:30] ikonia: well, it found the device and associated.. so that's a step forward :) [15:35] good good [15:35] you are my canary in the cage as I hover above the "buy" button [15:39] bah, it's really ropey [15:40] like, it connected but can't see the controller in emulationstation [15:42] http://paste.ubuntu.com/23471231/ [15:42] barfs when pairing [15:44] exobuzz: you managed to get an 8bitdo controller paired with retropie? [15:44] ah, looks like https://github.com/RetroPie/RetroPie-Setup/issues/1213 [15:47] \o/ success [15:52] problem is how do you do insert coin in mame? [15:53] i think i need a bluetooth keyboard as well as the controller [15:57] you can map auto coin insert [15:58] I used to do that in many years gone by [15:58] must still be possible [15:59] found my wireless keyboard [15:59] popey, yep. I have 3 of them [15:59] popey, https://github.com/retropie/retropie-setup/wiki/Setting-up-an-8bitdo-Bluetooth-controller [15:59] finally got it working, booting with START+R [15:59] yeah. you have to power on in the right mode [15:59] ya, used that, it was a bit flaky in places [16:01] hm, no audio [16:05] join [16:32] popey, on retropie ? hdmi or jack ? [16:41] hdmi [16:41] i think i previously had it configured for my picades, so had audio going over the jack [16:41] need to tell it to go over hdmi now it's in the telly [17:14] pretty neat that I can ssh in, and run the config tool to tell retropie to use hdmi for audio out [18:39] \o/ Introducing Sam to some classic arcade games like Marble Madness :) [18:40] how does he like them? [19:06] well, he's taken the controller from me and is now playing Fifa on the megadrive [19:06] so my idea of playing games myself is out the window [19:06] when it first started he went "WOW! These graphics are terrible" [19:06] I did point out this was 20 years ago, 10 years before he was even born [19:06] megadrive graphics are bad?! [19:07] his reference point is fifa 2017 [19:07] we were spoilt with megadrives as kids! [19:07] i never had any consoles as a kid [19:08] they were so advanced that I didn't ever have one [19:08] I had to go round a friend's to play with one [19:18] marble madness is great - megadrive version is the best home conversion too I think [19:18] megadrive graphics were bad compared to their contemporaries, yes [19:28] megadrive was the last popular cartridge console AFAICT [19:28] after that we had PSX [19:28] N64 [19:29] the snes was also released later and outsold the genesis [19:30] fair dinkum then :-) [19:30] perhaps I was just in a backwards town :-p [19:30] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles#Home_game_consoles [20:43] megadrive graphics were decades beyond my 8bit spectrum yet when i installed an emulator on my brothers pc a decade back his kids were all over it till he deleted the emulator as he needed to use the pc for work... jetpac was the favourite game... [20:50] emulators are awesome [20:55] <3 spectrum - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-kkzl2foaQ / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_iXpKALQeQ [20:56] mazing stuff from the demo scene [20:57] the demo scene passed me by [21:00] it was great at the end of the spectrum era when every magazine had a tape on the cover with old full games... [21:02] hmm i have to disagree - towards the end, the magazines were so thin. I would have preferred content over tapes etc (but the tapes were good) [21:02] I guess it was inevitable - and the speccy mags like your sinclair did well to last so long [21:03] people are still developing games for it... it's a solid little machine... :-) [21:03] not much in the way of commercial releases mind... [21:04] the quality of the homebrew games is suberb though of course [21:04] a single programmer could understand the whole machine from top to bottom and write a piece of code to maximise it's use [21:06] that video is amazing [21:07] * zmoylan-pi is ripping audio version of yes minister to mp3s so is waiting before playing it... [21:08] 12 episodes on 6 cds... which will all fit on one cd once ripped to mp3... [21:09] amazing what they can do with the z80 and no gpu [21:10] were they're going, they don't need no gpu... :-) [21:10] i just keep looking at it and puzzling how they did it [21:19] the first video is "no flicker" version - this one is how it looks on a tv I guess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jmXzROb2l8 [21:20] lots of switching between two images etc to get extra colours etc [21:21] impressive tricks though - and lots of changing colour on every scanline etc [21:31] yeah