[08:37] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:38] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[08:38] <brobostigon> hi knightwise
[08:39] <knightwise> what are you up to this morning ?
[08:43] <brobostigon> voluntary job to go to 11am till 3pm.
[08:51] <knightwise> hmm on a sunday ? :(
[08:54] <brobostigon> yes.
[09:12] <knightwise> I'm cramming away on my chromebook a little.
[09:12] <knightwise> seeing how much fun you can have with a 200 euro machine
[09:15] <brobostigon> knightwise: :)
[09:19] <knightwise> and there is something delightfully wrong with running opera with its default Vpn client on a chromebook :)
[09:20] <brobostigon> lolz
[12:31] <ikonia> as I recall there are some keen gamers in here, I'm trying to hunt down a wireless arcade stick, like the old wildcard type device, even better, a double, anyone ever used/found one
[12:32] <ikonia> actually, wasn't called the wildcard
[12:32] <ikonia> thats the wrong name
[13:11] <popey> ikonia: to play with games in steam or other? (like emulators or whatever)?
[13:12] <popey> ikonia: http://www.jasenscustoms.com/ come recommended
[13:12] <popey> (not currently in stock)
[13:15] <ikonia> popey: thank you, non-steam games, emulation mostly
[13:16] <popey> I ended up buying a picade to do that kind of thing
[13:16] <popey> which comes with a reasonable joystick and 6 buttons
[13:16] <ikonia> so this is all being powered from my pi
[13:17] <ikonia> but my pi is hidden out of sight, and I want to play some classic arcade games with the full on arcade stick....but wireless
[13:17] <popey> ah
[13:17] <ikonia> looks just what I'm after actually, hard to get all the info on it as it's out of stock it seems most of the site is just empty about it
[13:18] <popey> i recently bought an 8bitdo SNES30 controller
[13:18] <popey> (not what you're looking for, I know)
[13:18] <ikonia> well, it is too
[13:18] <popey> They do a lot of different controllers
[13:18] <ikonia> I was trying to find proper wireless snes controllers
[13:18] <ikonia> ended up with logitech junk
[13:18] <popey> I found it near impossible to get it working with bluetooth on linux
[13:18] <ikonia> oooh I like a challenge :)
[13:18] <popey> so I ended up plugging the USB cable in, which makes it appear as a joystick
[13:19] <popey> mame "just works" with it in that mode
[13:19] <ikonia> yeah, usb would kill me, due to the location of the pi
[13:20] <popey> can't have a long usb cable?
[13:20] <popey> I mean, I know that's shit, but hey ho :)
[13:20] <ikonia> it would be quite an effort to run that, plug it, unplug it when done etc etc
[13:20] <ikonia> possible, but not first choice
[13:20] <popey> right
[13:22] <ikonia> 8bitdo look nice device, love the usa snes and jap famicon controllers
[13:22] <ikonia> they where always my favourite
[13:23] <ikonia> https://github.com/retropie/retropie-setup/wiki/Setting-up-an-8bitdo-Bluetooth-controller
[13:23] <ikonia> very well documented too
[13:23] <popey> yeah, and they do firmware updates and stuff
[13:23] <popey> ooh, not seen that page
[13:23] <popey> will give that a go
[13:24] <ikonia> looks like the key is matching the frequency to the firmware
[13:24] <ikonia> (without reading in depth)
[13:24] <popey> yeah
[13:25] <popey> if I got this working, I'd probably attach a pi to the TV in the lounge and use that for emulation stuff
[13:25] <ikonia> pretty much what I've just done
[13:26] <popey> hmm, very tempting
[13:26] <ikonia> be nice to have a stick to play mortal kombat and street fighter 2 though,
[13:26] <popey> I have a micro sd card in the picade which has everything I ever want to play on it, I can just duplicate that and put it in another pi on the TV
[13:26] <popey> hmmm, good plans
[13:26] <popey> I think this could be a go-er
[13:26] <ikonia> it's almost too easy
[13:26] <popey> yeah
[13:27] <popey> the only problem for me will be if I have enough HDMI ports :) #firstworldproblem
[13:27] <ikonia> i just upgraded my amp in the last 4 weeks, so I now have 8 inputs :)
[13:27] <popey> nice
[13:27] <ikonia> I saw this problem coming
[13:27] <zmoylan-pi> and not 11? :-P
[13:27] <popey> i don't have a big room for decent audio
[13:27] <popey> so have a sound bar on my xmas list
[13:28] <ikonia> ahhh thats probably the only thing I do like about my house is my living room, it's great for audio/TV
[13:28] <popey> nice :)
[13:28] <ikonia> so I'll make the most of it
[13:28] <ikonia> while hating the rest
[13:28] <popey> hah
[13:28] <ikonia> but it's all about offset/compromise of course
[13:28] <popey> ok, now trying to think of reasons not to just do this now
[13:28] <popey> as it's sunday
[13:28] <ikonia> you won't
[13:28] <ikonia> I tried
[13:28] <popey> I have a spare pi 3 laying around
[13:29] <popey> haha
[13:29] <popey> right, thanks :)
[13:29] <ikonia> it took my 8 minutes to set it up and get it working just nice, the rest of the time has been looking for a controller I like
[13:29] <ikonia> I'm sure you can invest 8 minutes
[13:29] <popey> already on it
[13:29] <ikonia> 7:30 and counting
[13:30] <popey> will take more time dding the sd than anything else
[13:30] <ikonia> I did it on am mac and I was shocked how quick it was
[13:30] <ikonia> approx 1 minutes onto a 128mb micro sd
[13:30] <ikonia> never seen it that quick
[13:31] <ikonia> although maybe I'm used to linux support of SD readers sucking
[13:31] <ikonia> so to use one with good support in the OS seems a treat
[13:33] <popey> this is a 32GB one that is full of roms
[13:33] <ikonia> I've got quite a few emulators going and wanted to store roms for quite a few setups
[13:33] <ikonia> didn't want to do it over nfs
[13:33] <ikonia> so 128gb seemed pretty cheap and easy
[13:33] <popey> wowzers
[13:34] <popey> thats a lot
[13:34] <ikonia> I think the whole lot comes in at around 85GB
[13:34] <ikonia> snes/nes/mega/master system/neo/mame/c64/amiga
[13:37] <popey> ah bum, turns out the one in my retropie is indeed 64
[13:37]  * popey adds another 64 to the cart
[13:37] <ikonia> I like your attitude
[13:48] <popey> hmm
[13:48] <popey> nothing on telly screen
[13:48] <popey> changed hdmi_safe=1 but still nothing
[13:49] <popey> it's up, I can ssh into it over wifi
[13:50] <popey> \o/ hdmi port oddity
[13:57] <ikonia> Hmmm I used to have that on an old tv
[13:57] <ikonia> it just never synced...ever
[13:57] <ikonia> luckily I changed the TV before I actually needed it to be working so never had to have the full fight
[14:03] <popey> all working
[14:03] <popey> just need to setup bluetooth thing now
[14:05] <ikonia> exciting
[14:05] <ikonia> watching your bluetooth situation as my digital guinee pig
[14:05] <popey> :)
[14:06] <popey> doing a dist-upgrade first as haven't done that for a while
[14:06] <popey> it didnt find the snes30 initially, so doing this to see if that fixes it
[14:06] <popey> glad I setup mac address thing on my router so I know the IP of this thing when it has no display
[14:07] <popey> also, need to sort the aspect ratio out, it's drawing a 4:3 box on my 16:9 telly
[14:07] <popey> which will be fine in game but in the uI I'd expect it to be right
[14:08] <popey> taking ages, i think the wifi on the pi is a bit tardy
[14:10]  * popey unloads the washing machine while that does its thing
[14:16] <popey> will have to finish this later, kids dragging me out of the house to go pokemon hunting
[15:30] <popey> ikonia: well, it found the device and associated.. so that's a step forward :)
[15:35] <ikonia> good good
[15:35] <ikonia> you are my canary in the cage as I hover above the "buy" button
[15:39] <popey> bah, it's really ropey
[15:40] <popey> like, it connected but can't see the controller in emulationstation
[15:42] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23471231/
[15:42] <popey> barfs when pairing
[15:44] <popey> exobuzz: you managed to get an 8bitdo controller paired with retropie?
[15:44] <popey> ah, looks like https://github.com/RetroPie/RetroPie-Setup/issues/1213
[15:47] <popey> \o/ success
[15:52] <popey> problem is how do you do insert coin in mame?
[15:53] <popey> i think i need a bluetooth keyboard as well as the controller
[15:57] <ikonia> you can map auto coin insert
[15:58] <ikonia> I used to do that in many years gone by
[15:58] <ikonia> must still be possible
[15:59] <popey> found my wireless keyboard
[15:59] <exobuzz> popey, yep. I have 3 of them
[15:59] <exobuzz> popey, https://github.com/retropie/retropie-setup/wiki/Setting-up-an-8bitdo-Bluetooth-controller
[15:59] <popey> finally got it working, booting with START+R
[15:59] <exobuzz> yeah. you have to power on in the right mode
[15:59] <popey> ya, used that, it was a bit flaky in places
[16:01] <popey> hm, no audio
[16:05] <Spearo> join
[16:32] <exobuzz> popey, on retropie ? hdmi or jack ?
[16:41] <popey> hdmi
[16:41] <popey> i think i previously had it configured for my picades, so had audio going over the jack
[16:41] <popey> need to tell it to go over hdmi now it's in the telly
[17:14] <popey> pretty neat that I can ssh in, and run the config tool to tell retropie to use hdmi for audio out
[18:39] <popey> \o/ Introducing Sam to some classic arcade games like Marble Madness :)
[18:40] <penguin42> how does he like them?
[19:06] <popey> well, he's taken the controller from me and is now playing Fifa on the megadrive
[19:06] <popey> so my idea of playing games myself is out the window
[19:06] <popey> when it first started he went "WOW! These graphics are terrible"
[19:06] <popey> I did point out this was 20 years ago, 10 years before he was even born
[19:06] <diddledan> megadrive graphics are bad?!
[19:07] <popey> his reference point is fifa 2017
[19:07] <diddledan> we were spoilt with megadrives as kids!
[19:07] <popey> i never had any consoles as a kid
[19:08] <diddledan> they were so advanced that I didn't ever have one
[19:08] <diddledan> I had to go round a friend's to play with one
[19:18] <exobuzz> marble madness is great - megadrive version is the best home conversion too I think
[19:18] <ali1234> megadrive graphics were bad compared to their contemporaries, yes
[19:28] <diddledan> megadrive was the last popular cartridge console AFAICT
[19:28] <diddledan> after that we had PSX
[19:28] <ali1234> N64
[19:29] <ali1234> the snes was also released later and outsold the genesis
[19:30] <diddledan> fair dinkum then :-)
[19:30] <diddledan> perhaps I was just in a backwards town :-p
[19:30] <ali1234> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles#Home_game_consoles
[20:43] <zmoylan-pi> megadrive graphics were decades beyond my 8bit spectrum yet when i installed an emulator on my brothers pc a decade back his kids were all over it till he deleted the emulator as he needed to use the pc for work... jetpac was the favourite game...
[20:50] <diddledan> emulators are awesome
[20:55] <exobuzz> <3 spectrum  - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-kkzl2foaQ / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_iXpKALQeQ
[20:56] <exobuzz> mazing stuff from the demo scene
[20:57] <diddledan> the demo scene passed me by
[21:00] <zmoylan-pi> it was great at the end of the spectrum era when every magazine had a tape on the cover with old full games...
[21:02] <exobuzz> hmm i have to disagree - towards the end, the magazines were so thin. I would have preferred content over tapes etc (but the tapes were good)
[21:02] <exobuzz> I guess it was inevitable - and the speccy mags like your sinclair did well to last so long
[21:03] <zmoylan-pi> people are still developing games for it... it's a solid little machine... :-)
[21:03] <zmoylan-pi> not much in the way of commercial releases mind...
[21:04] <exobuzz> the quality of the homebrew games is suberb though of course
[21:04] <zmoylan-pi> a single programmer could understand the whole machine from top to bottom and write a piece of code to maximise it's use
[21:06] <popey> that video is amazing
[21:07]  * zmoylan-pi is ripping audio version of yes minister to mp3s so is waiting before playing it...
[21:08] <zmoylan-pi> 12 episodes on 6 cds... which will all fit on one cd once ripped to mp3...
[21:09] <popey> amazing what they can do with the z80 and no gpu
[21:10] <zmoylan-pi> were they're going, they don't need no gpu... :-)
[21:10] <popey> i just keep looking at it and puzzling how they did it
[21:19] <exobuzz> the first video is "no flicker" version - this one is how it looks on a tv I guess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jmXzROb2l8
[21:20] <exobuzz> lots of switching between two images etc to get extra colours etc
[21:21] <exobuzz> impressive tricks though - and lots of changing colour on every scanline etc
[21:31] <popey> yeah