[04:03] What is the environment variable to use with Qt apps to use Mir? [04:18] TheMuso: The binary ubuntu-app-launch does it for Unity8 [04:18] TheMuso: In Mir demo shells it is mirrun [04:18] The set of environment variables is nonobvious because one of them you have to take away rather than add [04:37] duflu: Ok thanks. Thought it was easy as an env variable like it is with Gtk. [04:40] TheMuso: Yeah it's not that easy. Qt requires a variable which exists in Ubuntu gets undefined, plus Unity8 requires extra setup above and beyond the environment before it is willing to run an app (which I think is unreasonable and something we will need to eventually fix with public outcry) [04:40] -gets +be undefined [04:41] We have the ability to just run native apps without any special setup, so we should make it that easy [04:41] * duflu glares at Unity8 people [05:00] duflu: Thanks. [07:52] Good morning === maclin1 is now known as maclin === maclin1 is now known as maclin [08:52] MOrning TheMuso pitti duflu [08:52] Morning flexiondotorg [08:53] heh, morning desktopers [08:53] hikiko, Morning [08:53] God exceptions are evil [08:54] Sigh [08:54] * TheMuso waves hello. [08:54] use error messages and perror etc :) [08:55] * hikiko doesn't like exceptions either :p [08:57] hi willcooke [08:57] morning hikiko [08:57] flexiondotorg, good morning! [08:58] the channel is waking up it seems! [08:58] good morning desktopers ;-) [09:00] seb128, Morning [09:01] hey seb128 flexiondotorg [09:02] willcooke, o/ [09:03] hi! [09:03] g'morning Laney [09:05] hey Laney [09:05] hi willcooke, hi seb128! [09:05] how are you? [09:05] good weekend? [09:05] did you all have a good w.e? [09:05] doing good, though it's grey cold and rainy today [09:07] w.e was quite busy doing some house-work (changing an old phone plug to an eth one in the living room, fixing a drawer in the kitchen that had lost its handle, fixing a new shelf, etc) [09:07] you? [09:08] you grown up! [09:08] umm, went to the pub ... [09:09] lol [09:09] pub sounds nice [09:09] lol [09:09] then on saturday went to the allotment, did some tidying and harvesting (cavolo nero, jerusalem artichoke, celeriac, nasturtium seeds) [09:09] and yesterday -> climbing and then coffee and cake [09:09] #notgrownup [09:10] I did manage my days well, those small fixups still take longer that you though [09:10] I wanted to go to get some coffee and appletart yesterday but failed at it [09:10] Laney: When you say you grown up! for some reason I thought the next line was gonna be me tarazan ;) [09:11] but tonight tennis! [09:11] (I hope at least, looking outside makes me unsure we are going to be able to play :-/) [09:12] Morning all [09:12] hey Dave [09:13] davmor2: good idea, /me moves to the jungle [09:13] seb128: it's the super moon tonight too [09:13] hi seb128 Laney davmor2 [09:13] hoping the clouds go away [09:13] hey hikiko [09:13] how's it going? [09:14] hey hikiko [09:15] Laney: there's a caravan park called Ebury Hill in shrewsbury you get some awesome night skys during the summer there as there are only a couple of Farms near it so no street lighting and the site lights are on top of the electric posts so next to know contamination from them either [09:16] Laney: Hope you have better luck. Its cloudy here at the moment, so no super moon, at least for my part of Sydney. [09:17] Laney, just reading about that, it's going to be at the closest around lunch time, I don't think it's going to work out from here with that weather [09:18] TheMuso: no no no we've seen the films there are only clear blue skys in Australia you're not blagging us with that one ;) [09:19] * pitti returns and sees a lot of action in this channel -- good morning desktoppers! [09:19] hey pitti, wie gehts? [09:19] pitti, how was the show on friday? had a good w.e? [09:19] seb128: gut, danke! Apparently you've been the most productive of us all this weekend :) [09:20] davmor2: Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but whatever material/media you have seen from/about Australia is greatly mistaken. :p [09:20] seb128: absolutely, yes! nice headbanging on Friday, another piano concert Saturday (what a contrast), and apart from some housecleaning mostly idling and avoiding the bitter cold :) [09:20] (well, we did a two hour walk, but brrrr) [09:20] moin [09:21] Laney: sounds nicer than household stuff anyway :) [09:21] moin moin Sweet5hark [09:22] heya pitti, seb128, laney, all! [09:22] hey Sweet5hark [09:23] pitti, sounds like a nice w.e, I should have one of those next week ;-) [09:24] TheMuso: but but but, crocodile dundee, prescia queen of the desert, mad max, and even strictly ballroom all sunny neighbours home and away I can go on :P [09:25] hey pitti Sweet5hark & TheMuso ;-) [09:26] davmor2: Well sorry to disappoint you. :) [09:27] Morning Laney davmor2 [09:27] And Sweet5hark o/ [09:28] TheMuso: no don't go shattering my illusions ;) [09:29] davmor2: :) [09:30] flexiondotorg, how is your back btw? do you feel better now? [09:44] seb128, Much improved. I walk from Poole to Bournemouth and back yesterday. Really helped. [09:44] great [09:45] glad you are doing better! [09:45] Also amazing views of the moon at perigee :-) [09:45] you found clear sky in the u.k? ;-) [09:45] Yep. [09:45] Last night was it. [09:45] nice [09:46] Although it is closer tonight, will be cloudy. [09:46] Was complete clear sky at the coast yesterday. [09:46] indeed, here too -- nice full moon, but bitterly cold at night [09:46] Thousands of photographers there on the beach. [09:47] http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/newS/14885281.PICTURES__Not_quite_a_supermoon_lights_up_Dorset_skies/ [09:50] I think they were a bit too ficused on the moon, but this is what it looked like facing west - https://plus.google.com/+MartinWimpress/posts/A9QVQfchhPS [09:51] nice view indeed [09:54] * flexiondotorg nips out to buy milk... [10:23] Sweet5hark, hey, did you see the "[yakkety/libreoffice] Possible Regression" emails? could you check those/reply to Brian? [10:24] they don't seem likely to be due to the SRU change from a non-libreoffice-maintainer eye [10:25] just non frequent issues that had some 5.1 reports but no 5.2 yet [10:35] * duflu goes to find the moon [10:36] duflu, good luck and enjoy the view ;-) [10:36] Hmm, the moon is so super it's got powers of invisibility [10:36] Too low probably [11:06] Laney: FYI, I have a PR now for bug 1637758; I'll wait for Robert's review before uploading, though (and it seems he's currently landing a new upstream release too) [11:06] bug 1637758 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "lightdm greeter session not properly shut down at login" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1637758 [11:08] pitti: nice [11:08] do you know why usd doesn't go down with the session? [11:08] what tells it to die in a normal user session? [11:09] and why did that unified hierarchy patch fix it? :-) [11:10] Laney: I at least know for nm-applet -- unity-greeter just Process.spawn_command_line_async()s that without ever cleaning it up [11:10] i. e. there's nothing on closing the unity greeter session that would stop it [11:10] Laney: I think before it was upstart shutting down the session dbus on session closing [11:11] and nm-applet/u-s-d died with that [11:11] now it's lingering as it's PAM/systemd which closes it [11:12] Laney: as for the unified hiearchy, I don't have the slightest idea how that influenced that .. [11:15] me neither [11:15] it's all voodoo to me [12:17] seb128: @yakkety regressions: only discussed the first one with brain (right at the sprint). havent rechecked or redicussed them since. [12:19] * Sweet5hark is having a look now [12:22] * Sweet5hark curses at the fancy javascript-foo on errors.u.c. Just gimme the damn data. [12:25] seb128: so looking at https://errors.ubuntu.com/?package=libreoffice-core&period=week I see nothing in the Top20 with "First seen: Ubuntu 16.10". [12:27] seb128: and looking at one of the crashers that I got spammeed about (64e3163cddff439ffdde7cbe5bf031a0d3412ae3), has 35 events on Ubuntu 15.10, 15 events on Ubuntu 16.04 and _4_ events on Ubuntu 16.10. [12:30] seb128: IOW, the detection algo there is nuts and just triggers on noise: something happening 15 times on the LTS is noise anyway. And in this particular case the regression detection freaks out about 4 events on 5.2.2-0ubuntu2 because accidentally there werent any events on 5.2.2-0ubuntu1. [12:32] so: 5.2.2-0ubuntu1 had the defect too, but wasnt deployed enough to show it. absence of evidence isnt evidence of absense and all that jazz: assuming 5.2.2-0ubuntu1 was more healthy is nonsense. [13:01] Sweet5hark, right, what I think as well, let's just tell Brian to unblock it [14:01] Sweet5hark, good suggestions in the email, indeed their "need to manual check for regression" is a easy to trigger [14:04] muktupavels: hey [14:05] gtk/window-decorator/gwd-settings-storage.c:208:36: error: ‘META_THEME_TYPE_GTK’ undeclared (first use in this function) [14:05] andyrock: hey [14:05] I'm on xenial [14:06] would be nice to add a check to be sure that metacity 3.20 is installed [14:06] to keep supporting xenial [14:06] what metacity version has in xenial? [14:07] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/VPvPBiBZ/ [14:07] 3.18 [14:09] then metacity support should have been disabled. [14:10] andyrock: is not USE_METACITY set to 0? [16:46] pitti: hey, would you mind to have a look at n-m in git when you have time? [16:52] happyaron: oh, nice! sure [16:52] happyaron: anything in particular you want me to watch out for, or just a general "looks OK and works"? [16:54] happyaron: you dropped Read-system-connections-from-run.patch, but that isn't upstream yet [16:54] pitti: just the patch set [16:55] let me check [16:58] happyaron: Read-config-from-run.patch was indeed accepted (not sure if it's already in 1.4.2, but that's easy enough to find out) [17:00] happyaron: dinner now, will look in ~ 3 hours [17:00] ty [17:00] I'm going to bed. [17:01] muktupavels: i get the error if I disable metacity andccm decorator plugin at configure/cmake time [17:02] andyrock: what error? [17:04] Trevinho: andyrock: Had a chance to think about the HiDPI scaling issue in unity/u-s-d? [17:05] andyrock: just tried with -DUSE_METACITY=OFF and got error... [17:28] andyrock, trevinho: https://code.launchpad.net/~albertsmuktupavels/compiz/fix-build-with-use-metacity-off/+merge/310793 === larryprice_ is now known as larryprice