[08:14] <knightwise> morning
[08:55] <diplo> Morning all
[09:12] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:19] <knightwise> hey davmor2 diplo
[09:22] <davmor2> MORNING knightwise
[09:22] <davmor2> oop sorry about the caps there
[09:29] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Monday, and happy Loosen Up, Lighten Up Day! 😁
[09:33] <knightwise> Well that woke me up davmor2 :)
[09:42] <knightwise> been rediscovering the awesomeness of my chromebook this weekend
[09:45] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:46]  * knightwise salutes the magnificent brobostigon 
[09:48] <brobostigon> :D
[09:52] <foobarry> i installed neverware on a laptop but didn't really get on with it
[09:52] <foobarry> i felt too exposed
[09:52] <foobarry> and uncomfortable about tying my gmail account so closely to a device
[09:54] <knightwise> foobarry: I use the chromebook for my business account and the chroot for my personal stuff
[12:37] <daftykins> i think it's about supermoon time in an hour
[12:38] <daftykins> i strolled out last night to see how it was coming along - the patch of sky it was in was so bright it looked like a blue sky in just a single patch - http://i.imgur.com/bolYEhH.jpg
[12:40] <daftykins> http://imgur.com/a/9QiML couple more there
[12:54] <foobarry> all4 you SUCK
[12:54] <daftykins> o0
[12:54] <foobarry> tablet out of juice and cannot watch on computer due to spinning wheel of death on linux
[12:54] <ali1234> Wat
[12:55] <foobarry> channel4 sucky iplayer ripoff
[12:55] <ali1234> Who here is on a train
[12:55] <daftykins> so it's not really the service but that you're trying to use it from Linux as usual :>
[12:55] <foobarry> wel;l it took 10 mins to login
[12:55] <foobarry> then realised i need flash
[12:55] <foobarry> then adblocker disabling
[12:55] <foobarry> then it still doesn't work
[12:56] <ali1234> Theres a guy on this train with ubuntu laptop, ubuntu tablet, and ubuntu phone and hes writing an ubuntu app with qt creator and the ubuntu sdk
[12:56] <foobarry> not me
[12:56] <foobarry> does he have a beard
[12:56] <foobarry> and black tshirt
[12:56] <ali1234> No
[12:57] <foobarry> does not sound legit
[12:57] <zmoylan-pi> is there a secret ubuntu handshake?
[12:57] <foobarry> yes
[12:57] <ali1234> Yes but i dont know it
[12:57] <zmoylan-pi> that's because it's secret
[12:57] <foobarry> https://ubuntunigeria.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/ubuntu_610.jpg?w=460
[12:58] <zmoylan-pi> if you can manage that on a train then kudos...
[12:59] <zmoylan-pi> looks like it would involve touching the floor of the train..
[12:59] <ali1234> Its relatively clean i am in 1st class
[13:00] <zmoylan-pi> oooooh, posh....
[13:00] <foobarry> shoulder surf his github repo?
[13:00] <zmoylan-pi> then call the concierge and get a formal introduction... :-P
[13:00] <foobarry> check in ubuntu-phone channel?
[13:00] <ali1234> Or i could packet sniff the wifi
[13:01] <daftykins> i never understood why anyone bothered to pay for 1st
[13:01] <daftykins> or you know, you could be a human being and introduce yourself...
[13:01] <foobarry> via irc
[13:02] <ali1234> You get a free cup of tea and you dont stick to the seats
[13:02] <zmoylan-pi> are they wearing one of those talk to me badges handed out on the tube?
[13:03] <daftykins> heh i just got a letter from the local gov warning me they're considering road resurfacing nearby... in November 2017
[13:03] <foobarry> colleague is kicking the desk in time to music. tad annoying
[13:03] <zmoylan-pi> well they have to chuck out the traffic cones and diversion signs 6 months before actually doing the work... :-)
[13:04] <daftykins> :D it's a funny little street down here that should really just be pedestrianised same as the high street
[13:05] <daftykins> which it leads onto
[13:06] <popey> ali1234: where in the world is this train?
[13:06] <zmoylan-pi> if they did that then people wouldn't be able to abandon their cars there when they want to go to the predestrianised area...
[13:06] <popey> flexiondotorg: are you on a train right now? :)
[13:09] <ali1234> Uts not flexion i know what he looks like
[13:09] <popey> ok
[13:09] <popey> describe them :)
[13:09] <foobarry> is it creepy to ask for a hpoto
[13:09] <ali1234> Lol
[13:10] <zmoylan-pi> he's in first class, he can get an official engraving of the passengers for a small fee...
[13:11] <ali1234> Er... Hes got brown hair?
[13:12]  * daftykins facepalms
[13:12] <ali1234> Looks like a developer
[13:12] <foobarry> but no beard?
[13:12] <foobarry> pny tail?
[13:12] <zmoylan-pi> shoes or sandals? how serious a developer.... :-)
[13:12] <foobarry> rms tattoo?
[13:12] <ali1234> No, developer not sysadmin
[13:13] <foobarry> suit?
[13:13] <popey> wonder if it's a canonical person or not
[13:13] <popey> we have a bunch of UK based people
[13:13] <Laney> eliminate them all one by one
[13:13] <foobarry> change your text notification to the ubuntu bongos and ask someone to text you
[13:14] <popey> well, I suspect it's not you Laney :)
[13:14] <Laney> #1: it's not me
[13:14] <popey> #2: It's not me
[13:14] <willcooke> My money is on chrisccoulson
[13:14] <popey> (this may take a while)
[13:14] <popey> ali1234: is it a monster size laptop?
[13:14] <daftykins> only if speaking is disallowed
[13:14] <ali1234> A bit
[13:14] <popey> like, not a lightweight thing like a macbook, but a chunky big battery thing
[13:14] <ali1234> Nah
[13:15] <popey> oh, is it plugged in? if so, deffo chris, his battery is knackered
[13:15] <foobarry> play this out loud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qd_CX01sYg
[13:15] <ali1234> No
[13:15] <popey> oooh
[13:15] <ali1234> Also i know what he looks like too
[13:15] <ali1234> I think
[13:16] <popey> This is the best game ever
[13:16] <popey> "Nerd guess who"
[13:16] <foobarry> glasses?
[13:16] <ali1234> No
[13:16] <chrisccoulson> it's not me either ;)
[13:16] <popey> haha
[13:16] <willcooke> boo
[13:16] <foobarry> below 35?
[13:17] <ali1234> Probably but i am terrible at guessing ages
[13:17] <popey> facial hair?
[13:17] <ali1234> No
[13:17] <popey> pete woods maybe
[13:17] <Laney> get a peek at the app
[13:18] <ali1234> It looks like a physics sim with boxes in 2d
[13:18] <popey> ooh, dan wood
[13:18] <popey> community guy
[13:18] <zmoylan-pi> you should use avatar software to make a model of the person instead of taking a pic... :-)
[13:19] <popey> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/FyzqhiMH0oB8a76wMARxeI65vc_RAABiP-xSMb_K0S7Vw78W6d_wgQW1__yZh2iRpkHuvtYO1RQ=w2324-h1307-rw-no
[13:19] <popey> him?
[13:19] <ali1234> No
[13:19] <popey> dammit
[13:20] <popey> make/model of laptop?
[13:21] <ali1234> Hp
[13:21] <popey> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/U0-8Ie1cyBuOVR0A3raTraVf5Y7OnDKqBWByIWz1F0o=s630-fcrop64=1,202b2ec9dfa0d135 maybe?
[13:22] <foobarry> does he look like anyone else we might know?
[13:23] <ali1234> That might actually be him
[13:23]  * popey asks him
[13:25] <popey> he said it's not
[13:25] <Laney> haha
[13:26] <daftykins> * guy packs up and dives off the moving train
[13:26] <Laney> people that look similar to pete woods ...
[13:26] <ali1234> He actually did get up and walk down the train
[13:26] <popey> did he leave his laptop?
[13:26] <popey> (user name on login screen) :D
[13:26] <ali1234> Yes but hes back now
[13:26] <popey> bah
[13:27] <ali1234> He closed it
[13:27] <popey> Obviously it would be far too easy to just ask him :)
[13:27] <foobarry> any stickers on the laptop?
[13:27] <popey> "Hello, we're playing a game" :)
[13:27] <ali1234> Ew hes signing in to outlook web app
[13:27] <foobarry> corporate dude
[13:27] <ali1234> Not canonical then i guess
[13:27] <foobarry> maybe he's a stuedent at a uni
[13:27] <foobarry> or phd
[13:27] <zmoylan-pi> might be required by a workplace/college
[13:27] <ali1234> Could be
[13:27] <Laney> try and read the username
[13:28] <Laney> I wonder when this crosses a line
[13:28] <Laney> probably at trying to read text on his screen
[13:28] <diplo> About 10 mins ago :D
[13:28] <daftykins> ^
[13:28] <daftykins> it has for a while now - i'd almost rather join a US politics channel
[13:28] <Laney> :D
[13:28] <zmoylan-pi> when you use liquid nitrogen to freeze his ram so that you can read it? :-P
[13:28] <diplo> hahah
[13:28] <foobarry> is it mark shuttleworth in disguise?
[13:28] <diplo> Just walk over to the guy and introduce yourself, I've had people do it to me before
[13:28] <diplo> We're a nice bunch
[13:28] <foobarry> hey nice phone
[13:29] <Laney> could be rms though
[13:29] <foobarry> which ubuntu phone model is it?
[13:29] <ali1234> It might get awkward since i dont actually use ubuntu any more...
[13:29] <ali1234> Dunno its in a case
[13:30] <diplo> Wireshark it is then... :P
[13:31] <foobarry> will arp tell you his laptop name?
[13:31] <ali1234> I sunno ii only have an android tablet on me anyway
[13:31] <foobarry> termux !
[13:32] <zmoylan-pi> termux is quite good
[13:34] <foobarry> you will have to ask at some point to satisfy curiosity of 30 geeks in irc
[13:38] <zmoylan-pi> i like to think it's a good sign that a random geek on a train doesn't know every member of a small community...
[13:39] <popey> Indeed
[13:39] <flexiondotorg> popey, No, why?
[13:39] <foobarry> how many ubuntu phones have been sold?
[13:40] <daftykins> 42
[13:41] <foobarry> which is joey OMG so butthurt about ubuntu phones?
[13:41]  * daftykins wonders what foobarry means 
[13:42] <foobarry> some twitter comments he's mae about ubuntu phone have been very snarky
[13:42] <daftykins> who?
[13:42] <foobarry> joey from OMGubtunutntu
[13:43] <ali1234> Its kind of hard to say anything about it without sounding snarky tbh
[13:44] <popey> flexiondotorg: nvm :)
[13:44] <popey> foobarry: didn't know he was specifically snarky about ubuntu phone.
[13:44] <foobarry> i'll find an exmaple
[13:45] <popey> he is of course entitled to his opinion :)
[13:46] <foobarry> https://twitter.com/omgubuntu/status/793091533805412354
[13:46] <foobarry> of course. it seems personal though
[13:47] <ali1234> Is he not makinng a joke about everyone saying its dead all the time?
[13:47] <foobarry> not from his previous comments
[13:47] <ali1234> There like a post every day on redsit saying is it dead?
[13:49] <foobarry> there is a tone to any phone comments he makes that sound quite anti. prehaps he didn't get a review copy and bore a grudge. i dunno
[13:50] <ali1234> Maybe it just sucks
[13:51] <foobarry> the amount of youtube videos i've seen that get a battery pop up "5 mins remaining"
[13:51] <ali1234> I was not impressed tbh
[13:51] <foobarry> and i'm looking at the time left. are they gonna finish before shutdown?
[13:52] <ali1234> Battery life seemed okay to me
[13:52] <foobarry> sorry i changed track already. i was just watching a video by a kid on his laptop
[13:52] <foobarry> he got the battery popup about 30secs into the vid
[13:52] <ali1234> Lol
[13:53] <popey> foobarry: that seems like humour to me :)
[13:53] <ali1234> If the battery ran out before they finiahed they wouldnt be able to up
[13:53] <ali1234> Load it
[13:54] <foobarry> popey: in isolation but not in context of other offthe cuff comments he makes
[13:54] <popey> Fair enough
[13:54] <foobarry> i think he has a column in LXF this month
[13:54] <foobarry> shame about linux voice
[13:54] <foobarry> i find LXF and others so formulaic.
[13:55] <ali1234> Linux voice makes me think of the scientist from simpsons
[13:55] <foobarry> "you insensitive clod!"
[13:56] <foobarry> it does sound a bit like an activist political wing too
[13:57] <popey> it had a stupid name before voice. can't recall what it was though
[13:57] <ali1234> Linux is just a terrible topic to have to make a mag about
[13:58] <daftykins> of a newspaper column
[13:58] <ali1234> Youre nwver going to get a scoop because everything is done in pub
[13:58] <daftykins> *or
[13:58] <ali1234> Iic
[13:58] <ali1234> So the news swction is always going to be a month out of date
[13:58] <ali1234> That leaves ... Tutorials?
[13:59] <daftykins> yep badly written little guides that are outdated within say, 2 months :D
[14:00] <ali1234> Depends on the topic but if, say, you can write 12 really good tutorials for a series you could just publish it as a book instead
[14:00] <foobarry> the trouble with magazines is that they are often written by pseuds rather than experts
[14:01] <ali1234> Still better than blogs
[14:01] <foobarry> here's an article about "screen". but it goes into enough detail for a beginner and nothing else
[14:01] <zmoylan-pi> great bathroom reading if the wifi is weak or the battery is knackered :-)
[14:02] <ali1234> They could review commercial softqare... Lol
[14:02] <ali1234> That qould go down well i am sure
[14:03] <ali1234> Although that is probably exactly what linux needs
[14:03] <ali1234> There ia loads of commercial software for linux that nobody knows about
[14:12] <foobarry> although i like reading, i didn't have the strength to read a board game instructions and rules the other day so i wen to on youtube for someone to explain to me how to play it
[14:40] <zmoylan-pi> ali1234 must have gone into a tunnel :-)
[14:41] <foobarry> or bludgeoned for stalking
[14:41] <foobarry> or trying to get a photo
[14:42] <popey> foobarry: I do the same for things like fixing my washing machine. way easier to watch someone else take it apart than read the manual
[14:42] <foobarry> the board game in question was scotland yard
[14:42] <foobarry> quite fun. reminds me of the adventure game on BBC2 in the 80s
[14:42] <popey> oh that one that's on humble bundle
[14:42] <foobarry> yes, i have it irl too
[14:43] <foobarry> i also have lord of the rings risk
[14:43] <foobarry> which i have never opened.
[14:43] <foobarry> my wife actually wanted to play board games for date night on saturday
[14:44] <foobarry> she's more geek that me (relatively normal)
[14:44] <foobarry> my colleagues don't think i'm normal cos i have hobbies
[14:56] <daftykins> :D
[14:57] <daftykins> friend of mine from the US was so keen on board games she brought some over to the island XD
[15:00] <foobarry> which ones?
[15:01] <daftykins> ticket to ride
[15:02] <foobarry> i saw that for a quid at the white elephant stall and didn't get it. been sad ever since
[15:03] <foobarry> can't buy for full price now , since i know i missed a bargain
[15:06] <daftykins> crikey: http://gizmodo.com/earthquake-leaves-cows-stranded-on-a-tiny-piece-of-gras-1788945457
[15:06] <daftykins> nevermind this is the source vid: https://youtu.be/LCXv9lhlIwU
[15:18] <popey> aww poor cowses
[15:32] <diddledan> !cowsay moo
[16:04] <foobarry> apt-get moo
[16:07] <daftykins> apt moo :P
[16:07] <daftykins> 'apt' just needs clean and purge and i'd forget all about apt-get
[16:12] <davmor2> daftykins: it has
[16:14] <diddledan> :-o
[16:15] <diddledan> I know it got autoremove a short while ago
[16:16] <diddledan> ergh dark already
[16:16] <daftykins> well i don't see anything on the man page here on trusty
[16:16] <diddledan> winter sucks
[16:17] <daftykins> but just think how much better about doing the things indoors you feel, when it's all rainy and windy!
[16:17] <diddledan> you assume I go outside
[16:18] <diddledan> <-- hermit
[16:18] <davmor2> diddledan, daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23476261/
[16:18] <diddledan> davmor2: sudo make me a sandwich
[16:18] <daftykins> E: Invalid operation clean
[16:19] <daftykins> davmor2: are you on xenial?
[16:19] <davmor2> daftykins: no
[16:19] <daftykins> what, then? because i'm on trusty and get the above
[16:19] <davmor2> daftykins: it's in 16.10 and 17.04
[16:19] <diddledan> zesty zits?
[16:19] <daftykins> davmor2: right so it's totally moot to claim it's there when it's version specific :P
[16:19]  * diddledan pops some zips
[16:20] <diddledan> zits*
[16:20] <daftykins> messy
[16:20] <diddledan> :-p
[16:20] <diddledan> I never suffered with zits
[16:20] <davmor2> daftykins: and total moot saying it isn't when you are on an older version :P
[16:20] <diddledan> now now, childers
[16:20] <diddledan> :-p
[16:20] <daftykins> LTS > non-LTS
[16:21] <daftykins> davmor2: you don't provide support much, do you?
[16:21] <daftykins> :)
[16:21] <diddledan> daftykins: how often do folk turn-up with 12.10?
[16:21] <diddledan> :-p
[16:22] <davmor2> Yes I provide lots of support that's why your system runs at all :D
[16:22] <diddledan> or 6.06:-p
[16:22] <daftykins> 12.10 is EOL
[16:22] <diddledan> exactly
[16:22] <daftykins> davmor2: jokes on you! i don't use it
[16:23] <daftykins> honestly though, you have to be specific about versions if you're gonna claim something does work
[16:23] <daftykins> diddledan: bit different to start bringing up stuff that's EOL o0
[16:24] <diddledan> it was in response to the providing support bit
[16:24] <daftykins> mind you i know this guy who refuses to move off 10.04... i think he keeps patching stuff by hand to avoid doing what needs to be done
[16:24] <diddledan> I was curio how many folk are on ancient stuff and still complaining that it isn't in their version yet
[16:26] <daftykins> heh, then they add "oh and btw i keep getting these errors trying to update..."
[16:28] <diddledan> "apt-get is broken" <-- read: "I'm running RHEL"
[16:29] <daftykins> you say that but i did actually regularly get CentOS users coming in to try and get support
[16:29] <daftykins> they'd pastebin something and show their bash prompt with the [] and i'd know XD
[16:29] <daftykins> then they'd ask how as if i were somehow psychic
[16:30] <diddledan> I'm psychic
[16:30] <diddledan> no, wait, I'm psychotic
[16:31] <davmor2> diddledan: you're telepathetic
[16:31] <diddledan> ^^ +1
[16:31] <daftykins> bit harsh :O
[16:32] <diddledan> powershell is 10 years old?!
[16:33] <davmor2> daftykins: he called himself a psycho I just said he was bad at telepathy I think diddledan is being harsh on himself ;)
[16:34] <daftykins> it's looking really grey out there and i'm expecting someone to show up and take all this old hardware i've cobbled together... no sign yet! hope he hasn't forgotten...
[16:34] <diddledan> well to be fair, I am actually diagnosed as a nutjob :-p
[16:34] <daftykins> your mother had you tested?
[16:35] <diddledan> I had myself tested
[16:36] <diddledan> started-out as plain depression but evolved to a diagnosis of "depressive psychosis" :-D
[16:36] <daftykins> what if you were bias reading the results!?
[16:36] <davmor2> diddledan: wearing a squirrel outfit because all you clothes need washing doesn't make a nut job ;)
[16:36] <diddledan> loll
[16:36] <diddledan> no, that would make me a student :-p
[16:37] <davmor2> diddledan: no they couldn't afford the squirrel outfit
[16:37] <diddledan> although, now I need to buy me a squirrel outfit
[16:37] <davmor2> hahahaha
[16:37] <diddledan> thanks for the tip :-D
[16:51]  * davmor2 expects to see diddledan next Halloween in a squirrel outfit or a bookcase outfit displaying various Nuts (Complete Nut Case) you're welcome if you need anymore outfit ideas just drop by ;)
[16:52] <daftykins> ooh i doubt he'd wait 'til such an occasion
[16:53] <daftykins> diddledan: i vote we christen you the Cadbury's Fruit & Nut fairy
[16:55] <davmor2> daftykins: now I got this stuck in my head https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJMAVfkI0io
[16:58] <daftykins> i think that was diddledan in the caber!
[16:58] <daftykins> wow i never saw that one though, at least to my memory
[17:03] <diddledan> lol, yup, I'm the fruity nutjob
[17:03]  * diddledan gets fruity
[17:03] <daftykins> great, the guy at my local College said he had asked students to come and get this gear off me - now he's trying to suggest tomorrow
[17:04] <diddledan> bah
[17:04] <diddledan> that's sucky
[17:05] <daftykins> ikr, try and do a favour...
[17:10] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/sfbookclub/status/798113020152926209
[17:11] <daftykins> ah yay the guy is gonna bring a car for 7 \o/
[18:50] <zmoylan-pi> !parrotsay diddledan want a cracker
[19:14] <daftykins> yay the guy came and got everything \o/
[19:14] <daftykins> at last it is done
[19:24] <zmoylan-pi> now you have space for crimbo tree :-)
[19:43] <daftykins> haha, still don't own one
[22:11] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhP8EKqReAg
[22:35] <zmoylan-pi> tis the season diddledan... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQkF7fpw-wI