[07:14] <pitti> Good morning
[08:46] <Sweet5hark> moin
[08:50] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark pitti
[08:52] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[08:52] <pitti> moin Sweet5hark
[08:53] <seb128> how are you today?
[08:54] <pitti> I'm great, thanks! how about yourself?
[08:56] <seb128> good as well, thanks!
[08:56] <seb128> didn't get to see the moon yesterday
[08:56] <seb128> it's grey&rainy since sunday
[08:57] <pitti> oh, too bad
[08:57] <didrocks> same here
[08:57] <didrocks> (hey Sweet5hark, pitti!)
[08:57] <pitti> clear sky and bitter cold since Saturday or so
[08:57] <pitti> ça va didrocks ! comment vas-tu ?
[08:58] <didrocks> pitti: throat infection since yesterday. Feeling a little bit better today (no more fiever/headaches), but can't speak at all
[08:58] <didrocks> and you?
[08:59] <pitti> didrocks: eek, get better soon then! :(
[08:59]  * Sweet5hark is still doing all "exciting" backporting to trusty ...
[08:59] <didrocks> pitti: thx! it's warm green tea for now
[08:59] <pitti> didrocks: so far I evaded the current plague (*knocks on wood*) -- everyone around is sneezing and coughing
[08:59] <didrocks> could go to grog TBH, but unsure in a work context :p
[08:59] <didrocks> sneezing/coughing was last week for me :)
[09:00] <didrocks> then, I felt better
[09:00] <didrocks> for the week-end
[09:00] <Sweet5hark> didrocks: get well
[09:00] <didrocks> thanks Sweet5hark :)
[09:00] <pitti> didrocks: you misspelled it: "desinfectant" :)
[09:00] <didrocks> ahah
[09:02] <willcooke> morning all
[09:02] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[09:03] <Laney> morning!
[09:04] <willcooke> how goes Laney?  Any super moon action up your way?
[09:04] <pitti> hey hey Laney!
[09:04] <pitti> *howl*
[09:04] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney
[09:04] <seb128> how is u.k today?
[09:04] <willcooke> quite nice
[09:05] <willcooke> little sunshine peeking through the clouds
[09:05] <willcooke> the leaves are all golden
[09:05] <willcooke> and it's not raining yet
[09:05] <Laney> it's #888888
[09:05] <Laney> did see the moon for a minute in a brief gap
[09:07] <didrocks> hey hey Laney
[09:07] <TheMuso> Hey willcooke. Hope you're feeling better.
[09:07] <TheMuso> Hey desktopers.
[09:08] <willcooke> hey TheMuso - yes thanks!
[09:08] <flexiondotorg> Morning everyone
[09:11] <Laney> hey didrocks
[09:11]  * Laney feeds you ice cream
[09:11] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg
[12:03]  * Laney scratchesssssSSSSsssssSSsssSSSSss
[12:03] <Laney> bleddy mosquitos @ allotment
[12:05] <willcooke> come on you frost
[12:29] <Laney> true
[12:30] <Laney> nothing left that would be harmed by it
[12:30]  * Laney thinks about buying some garlic to put in now
[14:10] <flexiondotorg> Laney, GtkToolButtons clip/overlap in Xenial and Yakkety.
[14:10] <flexiondotorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1641915
[14:10] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1641915 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "GtkToolButton styling clips and overlaps" [Undecided,In progress]
[14:10] <flexiondotorg> I've got a branch that fixes this for Xenial.
[14:10] <flexiondotorg> Zesty is not affected. Yakkety is.
[14:11] <flexiondotorg> Do you this this is worth SRU'ing to Yakkety?
[14:11] <Laney> do you know how to fix it for 3.20?
[14:13] <Laney> I would if it's easy enough, otherwise - not that bothered
[14:13] <Laney> but up to you
[14:15] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I can fix for Yakkety, is a debdiff OK for Yakkety?
[14:21] <Laney> flexiondotorg: Sec, I'll push a Y one
[14:21] <flexiondotorg> Laney, stop :-)
[14:21] <flexiondotorg> No fix required for Y
[14:21] <flexiondotorg> Just retested in a clean VM.
[14:21] <flexiondotorg> Y is already fixed.
[14:24] <Laney> 'k
[14:24] <Laney> I made it anyway for next time
[14:26] <flexiondotorg> Laney, Can you accept the Xenial nomination on LP: #1641915 please
[14:26] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1641915 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "GtkToolButton styling clips and overlaps" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1641915
[14:26] <Laney> it is done
[14:26] <Laney> going to lunch now, byes
[14:32] <hikiko> gawd I had that bright idea to highlight the word "question" on irc
[14:32] <hikiko> hexchat blinks non-stop since then :p
[14:32] <flexiondotorg> Thanks Laney
[14:32] <pitti> the question is, was that a good idea? :-)
[14:32] <hikiko> hahahaha
[14:33] <hikiko> I thought it would be good for the uos sessions
[14:33] <hikiko> but I guess all the text will be highlighted there
[14:34] <flocculant> hikiko: iirc people should QUESTION - so search and match case
[14:35] <hikiko> cool :) I am going to change the regexp
[14:35] <flocculant> I could be wrong though :p
[15:28] <Laney> stupid cold dark days
[15:28]  * Laney should get one of those SAD lamps
[15:29] <seb128> bike incident?
[15:29] <Laney> nah
[15:29] <Laney> just lame and grey
[15:29] <willcooke> 1kW LED
[15:29]  * Sweet5hark is blinded by the light.
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-11-15
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov 15 15:30:15 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong, flexiondotorg, happyaron (out), hikiko, laney, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:30] <Sweet5hark> arent we supposed to have sharks with lasers by now?
[15:30] <desrt> hihi
[15:30] <Trevinho> o/
[15:30] <hikiko> oh noed
[15:30] <hikiko> no
[15:30] <seb128> Laney, do you have a fireplace in your house?
[15:30] <hikiko> I forgot the bullets
[15:30] <flexiondotorg> Coey
[15:30] <Laney> seb128: yeah, 5!
[15:30] <seb128> hey
[15:30] <Laney> (hi)
[15:30] <willcooke> hikiko,  you got time
[15:30] <seb128> Laney, use them! ;-)
[15:31] <andyrock> Hey
[15:31] <seb128> it makes grey days much nicer
[15:31] <willcooke> Laney, get the Christmas tree up early :)
[15:31] <attente> :o
[15:32] <desrt> L G S!
[15:32] <Laney> seb128: the office room doesn't have one :-/
[15:32] <Sweet5hark> Laney: burn the christmas tree in the fireplace!
[15:32] <Laney> could be downstairs though I guess
[15:32] <seb128> :-(
[15:32] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, lol
[15:32] <seb128> yeah
[15:32] <seb128> laptop ftw!
[15:33] <willcooke> ok, looks like we have everyone, let's begin
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:33] <andyrock> #1 working on the copy dialog branch to sru it as It m seems like there are some issues
[15:33] <andyrock> # reviews
[15:33] <andyrock> # eow
[15:33] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[15:34] <willcooke> looking forward to that branch
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:34] <attente> fixed some test flakiness in content-hub-glib
[15:34] <attente> fixed an issue with the gtk-mir copy-paste implementation
[15:34] <attente> uploaded a new fixed version of the glade snap (menus working now, also properly confined), published to the store
[15:34] <attente> discussions and ideas about banners in mir
[15:34] <attente> (eof)
[15:34] <willcooke> excellent, thanks attente
[15:35] <willcooke> nice work on the glade snap
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:35] <desrt> hey
[15:35] <desrt> not a lot to report this week.  work is continuing.
[15:35] <desrt> sitting here with larsu, though :)
[15:35] <desrt> (eof)
[15:35] <willcooke> hey larryprice
[15:36] <willcooke> err sorry larryprice ignore
[15:36] <willcooke> larsu, hey!
[15:36] <seb128> :-)
[15:36] <larsu> morning!
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:36] <attente> larsu!
[15:36] <larsu> happy meeting :)
[15:36] <dgadomski> hey, I sprinting with my team, hence nothing to share this time, thanks!
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:38] <willcooke> guess he's not around, we'll come back
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic flexiondotorg
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> Hello
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> - Submitted a merge proposal to fix deja-dup scrolled windows (LP: #1623835)
[15:38] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1623835 in deja-dup (Ubuntu) "Scrolled Windows in backup/restore progress are too small to read" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1623835
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> - Researched this weeks candidates for the Snap Upstream Blitz and updated their Trello board.
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> - Reviewed the existing StartUp Disk Creator docs and behaviour in preparation for LP: #1558139
[15:38] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1558139 in ubuntu-website-content "Please update http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1558139
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> - Testing Unity 8 Desktop snap - https://code.launchpad.net/~unity8-session-snap-team/unity8-session-snap/snap
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> - Also tried on Unity 8 on Dragonboard 410c but ran into LP: #1625805
[15:38] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1625805 in linux (Ubuntu) "arm64 kernel panic for l2 mmu with unity8 session snap (& deb as well)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1625805
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> - Initial research for hiding snaps in GNOME Disks (LP: #1637984)
[15:38] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1637984 in gnome-disk-utility (Ubuntu) "Disks shows all mounted snaps" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1637984
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> - Submitted GtkToolButton fixes (Disks and Ubiquity) merge proposal for Xenial (LP: #1641915)
[15:38] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1641915 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu Xenial) "GtkToolButtons clip and overlap" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1641915
[15:38] <flexiondotorg> - Currently dropping all Firefox "hacks" from my recent ubuntu-themes merge proposals.
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> - Will be raising bugs upstream regarding the incorrect use of top-level selectors
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> 🎬
[15:39] <willcooke> :) thanks flexiondotorg !
[15:39] <Laney> flexiondotorg: You should get yourself CI train access if you don't have it
[15:39] <Laney> then you can do theme stuff (mostly) by yourself
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> Laney, OK. I don't have.
[15:39] <Laney> go ask a trainguard in #ubuntu-ci-eng
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> Thanks.
[15:39]  * Laney can assist the first few times
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> Perfect!
[15:40] <sil2100> o/
[15:40] <Laney> that's not to say that MPs don't need reviewing, but the upload part you can do yourself
[15:40]  * Laney eyes sil2100 
[15:40] <sil2100> Ok, let me see what can be done here
[15:40] <Laney> (over there ->, in meeting here ATM)
[15:41] <willcooke> thanks chaps
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:41] <willcooke> 1. Resynchronize n-m with Debian for 1.4.2 in zesty, one more patch to
[15:41] <willcooke> be updated before upload
[15:41] <willcooke> 2. Bugs in ucimf
[15:41] <willcooke> 3. Bugs in libopencc2
[15:41] <willcooke> 4. Review of netcat-openbsd update
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:41] <hikiko> hey
[15:41] <hikiko> I dont remember everything...
[15:41] <hikiko> - fixed some branches that were under review
[15:41] <hikiko> (no commit yet but they appear on the video!)
[15:42] <hikiko> - made some fixes in low gfx (like resizing)
[15:42] <hikiko> where I noticed that there were minor issues
[15:42] <hikiko> oh
[15:42] <hikiko> the ordering in alt+`
[15:42] <hikiko> the shadow-border
[15:43] <hikiko> the video :p
[15:43] <hikiko> eof
[15:43] <hikiko> I cant remember
[15:43] <hikiko> sorry
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks hikiko, good luck with the session
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:43] <Laney> • Fixing tests to get gtk, glib, other things to migrate; just happened
[15:43] <Laney> • Bootstrapping of ldc for Z, x-backports, y-backports (silos are good for this)
[15:44] <Laney> • New gspell (test fix) @ Debian, sponsor & sync libproxy
[15:44] <Laney> • asgen: Bugfixes for addon-suite-only mode, improvements to the charm to support this, running in this mode in staging now. next: import old data, see if it's all served up properly
[15:44] <Laney> • autopkgtest babysitting and random admin with p_itti's guidance
[15:44] <Laney> 🚏
[15:44] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:44] <seb128> • nov 11th was an holiday so one less day working this week
[15:44] <seb128> • some archive admin work (new binaries reviews, helped with some transitions)
[15:44] <seb128> • UOS
[15:44] <seb128> • looked at the ubiquity tz selection returning a wrong name for montreal, turned out to be a bug in the service db
[15:44] <seb128> • tweaked old desktop snaps to be compliant with current standards/use shared launchers
[15:44] <seb128> • spent some time catching up with recent snap work and poking around with others have been doing to get some inspiration
[15:44] <seb128> • launchpad bugs triage
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[15:45] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:45] <qengho> * in-progress: emergency Cr 53 backport to kill upstream's far-too-optimistic deadline for disabling some kinds of TLS certificates. Symantec certs broken. Mostly done.
[15:45] <qengho> * to-do: Chromium 54 fixing and testing, still.
[15:45] <qengho> EOF
[15:45] <qengho> Also, weeping hot tears into my keyboard. 🇺 🇸
[15:45]  * Sweet5hark feels left out.
[15:45] <willcooke> oh
[15:45] <willcooke> err
[15:45] <willcooke> I messed up the order some how
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:45] <Sweet5hark> - boring week:
[15:45] <Sweet5hark> -- backporting
[15:45] <Sweet5hark> -- bug triage
[15:45] <Sweet5hark> -- usual ESC call
[15:45] <Sweet5hark> -- some watchful eye on Munich situation
[15:45] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:46] <willcooke> :) thanks Sweet5hark
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:46] <willcooke> * Tested Orca under Mir with Gtk and Qt apps. Things are mostly working fine with Gtk apps when running under miral-shell. I can also use Orca keyboard shortcuts. Unfortunately these do not work under Qt apps, so some work will be needed on that front, we may have to add something to Mir or Unity to handle keyboard events after all.
[15:46] <willcooke> * Set up an environment with Qt on Wayland to see if the same thing occurrs, i.e no Orca keyboard shortcuts when using a Qt app under Wayland. Haven't got to testing this yet, something for the coming days.
[15:46] <willcooke> * Helped with validation of pulseaudio currently in xenial/yakkety-proposed, should be entering updates some time soon.
[15:46] <willcooke> * Started looking into writing interfaces for accessibility and text to speech related components, thanks to some useful posts on one of the snappy mailing lists... Can't remember which one right now.
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:47] <willcooke> I've got to go to another meeting, so moving on...
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:47] <Trevinho> 16/45
[15:47] <Trevinho> · Released compiz 0.9.13.1
[15:47] <Trevinho> · Prepared an SRU for unity in yakkety (fixes indicators after lockscreen)
[15:47] <Trevinho> · New landing for unity and compiz in zesty
[15:47] <Trevinho> · Fixed various unity8 flacky tests causing autopkg to fail in my silo
[15:47] <Trevinho> . Fixed some issues of the new unity8 calendar
[15:47] <Trevinho> · Some work in toolkit indicators (sni-qt, libappmenu-qt, libappindicator) to make icons to be visible when snapped
[15:47] <Trevinho> · Improvements to the Remmina snap (some fixes merged upstream)
[15:47] <Trevinho> · snapcraft pull request to apt-mark auto all the newly installed packages (from build-packages list)
[15:47] <Trevinho> · snapcraft pull request to support FTP sources
[15:47] <Trevinho> :::: That's all folks
[15:48] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:48] <willcooke> - lightdm 1.21.0 released
[15:48] <willcooke> - snapd-glib 1.3 released
[15:48] <willcooke> - Work on ligthdm / unity8-system snap
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[15:49] <willcooke> I got to go to another meeting, so I'll wrap now.  If anyone has anything, carry on once it's ended
[15:49] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:49] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov 15 15:49:22 2016 UTC.
[15:49] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-11-15-15.30.moin.txt
[15:49] <willcooke> thanks everyone
[15:49] <seb128> I've random questions on specific items but it's just for me so after meeting is fine
[15:49] <seb128> thanks willcooke
[15:49] <seb128> attente, hey, just curious but was the issue with glade/menus?
[15:50] <gQuigs> I've also got a question :)... is it still the plan to drop i386 for Ubuntu-desktop for 17.04?
[15:50] <flexiondotorg> Trevinho, regarding "Some work in toolkit indicators"
[15:50] <flexiondotorg> Is that specific to snaps or does it address the way icon are passed via dbus that we discussed?
[15:50] <gQuigs> *the i386 image
[15:50] <attente> seb128: just that they weren't popping up in the old snap
[15:51] <seb128> attente, right, you showed me at the sprint, I'm just curious to know what the technical issue was/how you fixed it
[15:51] <Trevinho> flexiondotorg: I plan to make the indicator to ge the proper icon paths from the snap, so all snap-based
[15:51] <Trevinho> flexiondotorg: not sure I can succeed yet :-D
[15:51] <flexiondotorg> Trevinho, OK. Thanks :-)
[15:52] <Trevinho> I've got some good results with qt... But only for non-themed icons
[15:52] <attente> seb128: i actually don't know, the new glade snap is built using the jhbuild plugin that i changed to stop using lxc
[15:52] <seb128> attente, k, good job anyway! ;-)
[15:52] <attente> seb128: it uses bubblewrap now which is the only big difference from what i can tell
[15:52] <attente> seb128: :)
[15:52] <attente> seb128: thanks
[15:53] <seb128> I need to read about bubblewrap
[15:53] <attente> it's really nice
[15:53] <seb128> I've seen it mentioned a couple of times
[15:53] <attente> desrt loves it
[15:53] <seb128> it's used by flatpak right?
[15:53] <desrt> yup
[15:53] <attente> i'm not sure the relationship there. they're both a part of project atomic
[15:53] <desrt> that's not really true...
[15:54] <attente> oh. it's not?
[15:54] <desrt> it basically lets you do some really really cool stuff, but sets no-new-permissions
[15:54] <desrt> so you can't "escape" in any real sense
[15:54] <desrt> afaik, flatpak is not 'part of' project atomic
[15:55] <flexiondotorg> seb128, What desktop snaps did you update? I was thinking of doing something similar, but don't want to duplicate effort.
[15:55] <desrt> ostree is....
[15:55] <seb128> k
[15:55] <desrt> (and bwrap really has nothing to do with ostree, other than the fact that both flatpak and atomic use both of them)
[15:56] <seb128> flexiondotorg, some old ones I used as playground, ghex gnome-dictionary gucharmap
[15:56] <attente> ah ok
[15:57] <seb128> Trevinho, speaking of indicators, are you looking at the issue with qt indicators using /tmp to share icons?
[15:58] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I've moved them to .cache for now
[15:58] <Trevinho> seb128: although /run/user would be preferrable imho
[15:58] <Trevinho> but not yet accessible
[15:58] <seb128> Sweet5hark, being curious but what is going on in Munich? changes in their opensource use?
[15:59] <seb128> Trevinho, .cache wouldn't work, would it?
[15:59] <Sweet5hark> seb128: nah, not per se. just severe lobbying from microsoft by proxy (accenture)
[15:59] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, since ~/snap/$SNAP_NAME/$SNAP_REVISION/ is readable...
[15:59] <Sweet5hark> seb128: http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-partner-claims-munich-should-switch-from-linux-to-windows-10/
[15:59] <seb128> Sweet5hark, k, I was wondering, read some news about brazil and some part of italy going back to msoffice
[15:59] <seb128> Sweet5hark, I see
[16:00] <seb128> Trevinho, oh, then the desktop side needs to look at different directories for every indicator
[16:01] <Sweet5hark> seb128: brazil yes. italy -- not those on libreoffice, just some that stayed with Apache OpenOffice and the idiots that thought that was a good idea. Would have been preventable if they'd chosen LibreOffice.
[16:01] <seb128> well apparently from what I read they wanted a cloud based solution
[16:01] <Sweet5hark> seb128: the major italian migrations (military, upcoming city of rome) are still on track
[16:01] <seb128> easier than keeping installs updated
[16:02] <seb128> k
[16:02] <Sweet5hark> seb128: nah, never trust the "official reasons", because "official reasons" dont allow for "we fscked up".
[16:03] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, that we already do...
[16:03] <seb128> Trevinho, since when?
[16:04] <Trevinho> seb128: I mean, when an indicator set its custom icons path, then we add that path to the icon theme dirs
[16:04] <Trevinho> seb128: it's just about using some readable place
[16:04] <seb128> Sweet5hark, right... still the moving to the cloud for easier management is an argument that can make sense, futur is going to be fun with people getting locked down with big providers :-/
[16:04] <seb128> Trevinho, oh, ok
[16:05] <seb128> Trevinho, the path is shared over dbus?
[16:05] <Trevinho> Sweet5hark: yeh, i've been reading that italy news too :-/, however... yes it was OpenOffice. Although, I think a libreoffice cloud is really really more and more needed :-)
[16:05] <Trevinho> seb128: ye
[16:06] <gQuigs> we discussed dropping the i386 ISO previously and said it's likely to drop, but we should revisit at UOS or for 17.04..  which is now scheduled - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1611/meeting/22714/architecture-discussions/
[16:06] <Trevinho> seb128: see gdbus call --session --dest com.canonical.Unity.Panel.Service.Desktop --object-path /com/canonical/Unity/Panel/Service --method com.canonical.Unity.Panel.Service.GetIconPaths
[16:07] <seb128> Trevinho, well, that's different from qt using /tmp to send custom icons though?
[16:07] <Trevinho> seb128: not much... well...
[16:07] <Trevinho> seb128: it depends on the case
[16:07] <seb128> gQuigs, hey, yes, thanks for the reminder (saw in on the schedule and the email to the list)
[16:07] <Trevinho> seb128: qt4, creates an icon theme path...
[16:07] <Trevinho> in /tmp/qt-sni...
[16:08] <seb128> oh ok
[16:08] <Trevinho> qt5 has that tmp icon, so that's actually easier I think... I've been blocked by some u8 indicators stuff today, though... So I didn't go too much into the deep
[16:08] <seb128> k
[16:08] <seb128> I just wanted to know if you were looking at it
[16:08] <seb128> Trevinho, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1600136
[16:08] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1600136 in snapd (Ubuntu) "App indicator does not show icon for Qt apps" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:09] <Trevinho> seb128: but for example running a qt4 app you get /tmp/sni-qt_appname_7224-seB6cg/icons as new icon theme
[16:09] <seb128> I see
[16:10] <Trevinho> seb128: and..... I've just tried what I was thinking it would have worked... and.... It really had :-D
[16:10] <Trevinho> seb128: so for qt-sni, things are working like a charm
[16:11] <seb128> welldone!
[16:14] <Trevinho> seb128: there's just one thing that now I don't like too much, basically there are qt apps that define an icon from theme name, others have their own icon... For the 2nd case it's where the /tmp/  thing was used... And right now I hacked it to use ~/.cache/temporary-path to create their own icons... However probably, in that case it would just better to give
[16:14] <Trevinho> them the access to their ~/.local/share/icons and write them what they want... Don't you agree?
[16:15] <Trevinho> in this way we cover also the case where an QIcon points to a themed name...
[16:16] <Trevinho> withouth having to worry about what theme dir to provide to the indicator, as it always will be ~/snap/$SNAP_NAME/x1/.local/share/icons
[16:16] <seb128> Trevinho, well, the custom icons are a temp thing, I wouldn't store them in .local
[16:17] <Trevinho> seb128: it's true, but... At the same time it's also a .local that is only valid for that snap...
[16:18] <seb128> still you don't want to clutter it with temp files
[16:18] <seb128> or you need to clean behind...
[16:18] <Trevinho> and doing this would allow to cover a case where a window has both a themed and a custom icon
[16:18] <Trevinho> that was my first intention eh... But now seeing that I could make things simpler this way...
[16:18] <Trevinho> well, I'll continue following the nicer path..
[16:18] <Trevinho> hoping there won't be problem for both custom and normal icons
[16:19] <seb128> good luck!
[16:19] <Trevinho> it shouldn't be too hard, but... let's see
[16:19] <tedg> Trevinho: On the U8 side we're treating $SNAP like an entry of in XDG_DATA_DIRS, so they can throw an "icons" on that and use names.
[16:21] <Trevinho> tedg: mh, ok that could be a solution too... But I can't depend on that. Also qt-sni is qt4 so, probably it would run inside xmir anyway, isn't it?
[16:21] <Trevinho> as for qt5 one, I'll see... However probably that component has to be rewritten too.
[16:27] <tedg> Well, there's some discussion of what we'll do with sni. But no clear answer for sure.
[16:27] <tedg> I'm sure that come April it will be a panic must have and we'll be filling out freeze exceptions :-/
[16:55] <Sweet5hark> Trevinho: as for cloud, there is collabora office (based on libreoffice) being exactly that.
[16:56] <Sweet5hark> ironically, the push for cloud might be an lobbying attempt to still squeeze it in before the real impact of "Trump is president" sets in on european policy.
[16:58]  * flexiondotorg take a break to clean the kitchen before the next UOS session.
[16:59] <willcooke> rock and roll :)
[16:59] <seb128> should probably step away for a bit as well
[16:59] <seb128> though it's early for dinner
[17:00] <seb128> Sweet5hark, TheMuso, is bug #1584795 known by you?
[17:00] <ubot5`> bug 1584795 in at-spi2-atk (Ubuntu) "Severe lag in LibreOffice Draw due to /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90atk-adaptor" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1584795
[17:02]  * Sweet5hark looks
[17:08] <attente> kenvandine: hi! here's the gtk with the copy-paste support: https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/gtk/mir-copy-paste. could you please use this to test the content-hub-glib branch?
[17:08] <seb128> in fact doesn't seem to make a difference unsetting the env/without at-spi here
[17:08] <seb128> opening that example and moving things with the keyboard is slow though
[17:11] <kenvandine> attente, sure
[17:15] <Trevinho> Sweet5hark: yeah, I knew it... Wondering it is already something usable in real world
[17:24] <kenvandine> attente, can you get me a branch that builds on xenial?
[17:25] <kenvandine> i need to test it on mir/unity8 on xenial
[17:25] <kenvandine> Unmet build dependencies: libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.49.4) libwayland-dev (>= 1.9.91) wayland-protocols (>= 1.7)
[17:26] <attente> i'll try
[17:29] <dmj_s76> Trevinho: andyrock: Had a chance to dig into the HiDPI scaling issue in unity/u-s-d?
[17:32] <attente> seb128: is there a udd branch for xenial gtk?
[17:36] <seb128> attente, udd isn't really maintained/recommended anymore afaik
[17:37] <attente> oh. ok. i guess i'll dput to a ppa then
[17:37] <seb128> if you are talking about team packaging vcs, I don't think we did one
[17:37] <seb128> but that would be easy
[17:38] <attente> yeah, that's what i meant, i assumed that was the same as udd
[17:39] <seb128> no, udd is the autoimport of packages uploaded to the archive
[17:39] <seb128> but I guess we could branch from the version uploaded to xenial
[17:40] <seb128> then push that a /xenial
[17:40] <seb128> need to go for a bit now but I can help you with that tomorrow if you want
[17:40] <attente> is it worth doing or too much trouble?
[17:40] <seb128> it's easy enough to do
[17:40] <attente> seb128: ok, no worries
[17:40] <attente> seb128: i'll do a ppa instead
[17:40] <seb128> if it makes work easier we should do it
[17:40] <seb128> k, let's talk again tomorrow
[17:40] <seb128> bbl
[17:41] <attente> thanks seb128 :)
[17:41] <seb128> yw!
[17:49]  * flexiondotorg returns
[18:51] <attente> kenvandine: can you try the gtk from here: https://launchpad.net/~attente/+archive/ubuntu/gtk-mir?field.series_filter=xenial
[18:52] <attente> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/LmX9CTVx/
[18:52] <kenvandine> attente, sure, but i need to finish up some other stuff first
[18:52] <attente> i also have that in ~/.local/share/applications/ ^
[18:53] <attente> kenvandine: sure, no hurry
[18:53] <attente> kenvandine: thanks :)
[18:53] <kenvandine> no problem
[18:53] <kenvandine> i'm just in the middle of working on the trust session stuff... need a different build of content hub on my laptop at the moment :)
[18:54] <kenvandine> attente, so i should test with gedit using that desktop file?
[18:58] <attente> kenvandine: yes
[18:59] <attente> kenvandine: it just has the added X-Ubuntu-Touch: true line
[18:59] <attente> kenvandine: but when testing it, you might want to use ctrl+x/c/v instead of the menus since the window management is still pretty broken
[19:01] <kenvandine> attente, yeah
[19:55] <flexiondotorg> Night desktopers
[19:57] <willcooke> night flexiondotorg
[19:58] <popey> night john-boy
[19:59] <willcooke> night pa
[20:01] <willcooke> morning robert_ancell
[20:01] <robert_ancell> willcooke, hi
[20:02] <willcooke> just heading off now UOS is finished for the day
[20:03] <willcooke> night all
[21:04] <TheMuso> seb128: Saw it in bug mail, haven't tried to reproduce yet, honestly not familiar enough with libre office enough to work out what might be going on.