[00:10] <infinity> pitti: Y'know, having a /usr/bin/\ that is, indeed, just something that returns the first argument might solve all sorts of issues. :)
[00:10] <sarnold> that's an evil idea
[01:35] <tsimonq2> infinity: Is this a seed thing or a bug on your end? bug 1641783
[01:35] <ubot5`> bug 1641783 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "man or command not found commands not installed by alternate installer." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1641783
[01:35] <tsimonq2> ("your" meaning archive admins)
[01:45] <infinity> tsimonq2: man-db is in standard, if your alternate setup isn't enabling standard by default that's a bug somewhere.  Whose bug, I'm not sure without looking.
[01:46] <tsimonq2> infinity: I think maybe I'll poke around and take a look at the recent commits to d-i.
[01:46] <tsimonq2> infinity: But thanks.
[01:47] <infinity> tsimonq2: d-i has almost nothing to do with it.
[01:47] <tsimonq2> Oh?
[01:47] <infinity> tsimonq2: The default task selection should come from a preseed on the media.
[01:47] <tsimonq2> infinity: livecd-rootfs?
[01:48] <infinity> tsimonq2: Err, depending on what "the alternate installer" means here.  The Lubuntu alternate ISO, or a minimal d-i netboot?
[01:48] <tsimonq2> infinity: Lubuntu Alternate.
[01:48] <infinity> Kay.  debian-cd, then, is what's likely to contain the magic.
[01:49] <tsimonq2> Ah ok.
[01:50] <infinity> data/zesty/preseed/lubuntu/lubuntu.seed should probably explicitly select minimal and standard along with lubuntu-desktop, just as the live images do.
[01:50] <infinity> Though this has been "broken" literally forever, curious that no one cared until today.
[01:50] <tsimonq2> O__O
[01:51] <tsimonq2> Where are you seeing this? This thing? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/debian-cd/trunk/files
[01:51] <tsimonq2> Ah nevermind, apologies.
[01:51] <infinity> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu
[01:51] <tsimonq2> Yes, that. :)
[01:52] <infinity> If this is actually a regression, something subtle changed elsewhere, and I'd like to know about it.
[01:52] <tsimonq2> infinity: Either nobody noticed until today (which, Lubuntu QA needs some *serious* redesign if that's the case) or it wasn't an issue until today.
[01:53] <tsimonq2> (or a few days ago, to be accurate)
[01:53] <infinity> But I suspect your alternate has installed this way since the flavour existed.
[01:53] <tsimonq2> O__O
[01:54] <infinity> The only other obvious candidate for blame would be tasksel, which hasn't changed since shortly before xenial release.
[01:54] <tsimonq2> infinity: So this line should read: "taskseltasksel/firstmultiselect lubuntu-desktop ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard" http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu/view/head:/data/zesty/preseed/lubuntu/lubuntu.seed#L6 ?
[01:55] <infinity> minimal and standard don't have the ubuntu- prefix.
[01:55] <tsimonq2> Oh, ok.
[01:55] <tsimonq2> But otherwise that's where they're put?
[01:55] <infinity> I'd have to remind myself how tasksel preseeds work, but in theory that would do it.
[01:56] <tsimonq2> Ok, PR incoming.
[01:56] <infinity> (for consistency with how we write it in livecd-rootfs, it'd probably be "minimal standard $foo-desktop" to go from small to large.
[01:56] <infinity> But that's nitpicking.
[01:57] <tsimonq2> Well that's fair enough. Nitpicking exists for a reason. ;)
[01:59] <infinity> Hrm.  Could you test with xenial (and if that's broken, also trusty) first, though?
[01:59] <infinity> Cause I feel like tasksel *should* be doing standard by default.
[01:59] <tsimonq2> How would I go about testing?
[02:00] <infinity> Just do a quick install of each, then "apt-get install standard^" and see if anything new is pulled in.
[02:01] <infinity> tsimonq2: I have a date with "not being at work" for the evening, but keep me informed.
[02:01] <tsimonq2> Using the default alternate installer, or will The Best Method Ever work? :P https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/amd64/apds04.html
[02:01] <tsimonq2> Ok, infinity .
[02:02] <infinity> tsimonq2: How would you test the installed by not using the installer? :P
[02:02] <tsimonq2> infinity: I guess I'm asking if it matters how I run tasksel.
[02:02] <tsimonq2> Good point. lol
[02:02] <infinity> s/installed/installer/
[02:02] <tsimonq2> Ok will do.
[02:03] <infinity> For people who install with debootstrap, they can run "apt-get install minimal^ standard^ foo-desktop^" all by themselves, but that's a thing ISOs are supposed to do for them. ;)
[02:04] <tsimonq2> Yup. :D
[02:05] <tsimonq2> infinity: I really like that method. It lets me see what I'm installing *exactly* and lets me customize it before rebooting. Reminds me of installing Arch. :P
[02:06] <infinity> tsimonq2: It fails entirely to be even remotely user-friendly, but yes, I have a few machines in the wild that are debootstrap-installed.  Some that are remote machines that pivoted from preinstalled CentOS, two that we didn't have bootable installers for when they were installed, etc.
[02:06] <infinity> It's not something I'd recommend to friends and family.
[02:07] <infinity> Not if I wanted to remain friends and continue being in the will.
[02:07] <tsimonq2> Me neither. No way.
[02:08] <tsimonq2> But for all the machines that are mine I *always* debootstrap.
[02:09] <tsimonq2> I even have a Chromebook and Crouton uses debootstrap. :D
[02:09] <infinity> tsimonq2: It started as a practical dogfooding thing (I work for Canonical, I should see what users soo, so I can fix it when it sucks), but the more we've tried to improve things, the more I've found my nerdy compulsion to be an anal-retentive sysadmin of my own machines has gone way down.
[02:10] <infinity> tsimonq2: If you ignore my /home (obviously), my laptop is so amazingly stock Ubuntu that me of a decade ago would probably have some choice insults for current me.
[02:11] <tsimonq2> infinity: Well I don't work for Canonical (I hope one day though :P) and this machine is a Frankenstein monster. I'm running LXQt and I have a half installed KDE Plasma somewhere with a half installed Lubuntu somewhere else. Maybe even some Unity 8 left? I don't know.
[02:12] <infinity> I'd like to think that past me would be proud of how far we've come with out-of-the-box usability, but really, that guy built his own kernels on the regular, he clearly had unresolved issues.
[02:13]  * infinity -> non-IRC life.
[02:13] <tsimonq2> Yeah, I like Ubuntu because I can just install it THEN make it a Frankenstein. I could never install Arch successfully, and Gentoo takes too long. :P
[02:14] <tsimonq2> Every time I build my own kernel, sbuild breaks. Maybe I should do it again and file a bug. :P
[02:14] <tsimonq2> o/ infinity
[02:14] <tsimonq2> But yeah, sbuild breaking does NOT make me a happy camper... :/
[02:15] <infinity> tsimonq2: sbuild breaking is probably a sign that your custom kernel is missing the filesystem driver for your overlay of choice (overlay, which is upstream or aufs, which isn't).
[02:15] <infinity> And really gone.
[02:15] <tsimonq2> Yeah I think that's the issue. I don't know, when I go through the "I want to do kernel hacking" phase again, I'll file a bug. :P
[02:16] <tsimonq2> It sounds awfully familiar.
[02:17] <tsimonq2> (or fix my freaking setup, whatever one fixes it first :P)
[03:30] <tsimonq2> UH, ADAM.
[03:32] <tsimonq2> Wait...
[03:32]  * tsimonq2 does a dist-upgrade first
[03:32] <tsimonq2> I was gonna say...
[03:32] <tsimonq2> I tried installing those tasks and it proposed like 200 packages.
[04:03] <tsimonq2> infinity: Reproducable with Xenial: http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1479182570.png
[04:05] <tsimonq2> Grabbing Lubuntu Trusty 14.04.1 Alternate now.
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[08:29] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks pitti for fixing the testsuite
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[11:45] <tsimonq2> infinity: So it seems Trusty is not affected.
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[13:11] <LocutusOfBorg> if an archive-admin is around, and wants to help me for a few demote/remove I think we are mostly ready for ghc transition
[13:14] <tjaalton> infinity: so, what to call X backport stack from yak? lts-y to follow the old style, or something else? I know there's going to be just one kernel, but is that handled on the metapackage level so that there's still going to be lts-y/z/å/ä kernels?
[13:15] <tjaalton> and the rolling bit provided by a metapackage
[13:15] <LocutusOfBorg> please take care of virtualbox too in case ^^
[13:15] <LocutusOfBorg> as done with trusty
[13:16] <LocutusOfBorg> or at least wait for my upload :p
[13:16] <tjaalton> nothing has been done so far
[13:33] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: Debian removed some haskell packages too; I didn't remove those yet as I didn't have an overview of what could go
[13:34] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: do you have a list?
[13:47] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: I removed haskell-applicative-quoters, but three others removed by debian have rdepends: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23480403/
[13:53] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, can demoting them work? e.g. haskell-fail (rc buggy in debian)
[13:54] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: yes, if you find a closed set of sources, we can demote
[14:07] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, your workflow seems to have an issue
[14:08] <LocutusOfBorg> e.g. haskell-snap-core depends on haskell-blaze-builder-enumerator, but only in zesty
[14:08] <LocutusOfBorg> not in zesty-proposed
[14:08] <LocutusOfBorg> so, I don't think this as example is a blocker
[14:09] <pitti> that's just process-removal's output; but still, we would at least temporarily need to break zesty with these removals
[14:09] <pitti> or remove -snap along (the -proposed version can then promote back to zesty once fixed)
[14:09] <LocutusOfBorg> yes, but they aren't a blocker, right?
[14:09] <LocutusOfBorg> I mean, the situation will auto heal
[14:09] <pitti> no, fine for me, but we need to chase down the complete set
[14:09] <pitti> and then demote it as a whole
[14:09] <LocutusOfBorg> ok, I already have it, just a few sec that I compare it with your :)
[14:10] <pitti> mine is nowhere near complete, it's just Debian removals since Nov 1st
[14:10] <pitti> but that also just covers removals from unstable, not from testing
[14:10] <cjwatson> pitti: it's probably just temporarily breaking build-deps in zesty, which should be OK as long as there's a thing in zesty-proposed due to migrate
[14:11] <pitti> cjwatson: not sure if we have existing best practices, but it would feel better to completely demote the set into -proposed rather than keeping half of it broken in release?
[14:11] <cjwatson> aaaaaaaaaaaa
[14:12] <cjwatson> I think you're tilting at windmills there :)
[14:12] <cjwatson> and it will probably end up being very complicated
[14:13] <cjwatson> for Haskell transitions I've always just checked that the build-deps go away in -proposed and then been happy to break devel for that, since builds all happen in -proposed anyway
[14:13] <pitti> ok
[14:13] <pitti> I see http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#haskell-heist as a blocker (FTBFS on two arches)
[14:14] <pitti> haskell-snap* seems okay
[14:14] <LocutusOfBorg> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23480533/
[14:14] <pitti> $ reverse-depends src:haskell-heist
[14:14] <pitti> Reverse-Recommends
[14:14] <pitti> [14:14] <pitti> * libghc-snap-doc               (for libghc-heist-doc)
[14:15] <pitti> I'm fine with demoting that as well, not much breakage there
[14:15] <pitti> ok, then let's do this -- /me grabs the axe
[14:16] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, wait
[14:16] <LocutusOfBorg> there still is a blocker: haskell-xmlhtml haskell-heist, haskell-snap
[14:16] <LocutusOfBorg> they are failing due to xmlhtml and gcc bug in arm64 and s390x
[14:16] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure how I can debug it, what is the suggestion here?
[14:17] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: right, that's what I meant with the above -- these three have no rdepends, so I'm fine with leaving them in -proposed
[14:17] <LocutusOfBorg> oh ok
[14:17] <pitti> so that the ghc8 transition can land without this blocking it
[14:17] <LocutusOfBorg> so I can fix them later, fine
[14:17] <LocutusOfBorg> indeed
[14:17] <LocutusOfBorg> and I can have a better picture
[14:17] <LocutusOfBorg> probably I can debug arm64 with qemu
[14:29] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: ok, your list is done
[14:34] <LocutusOfBorg> fingers crossed, thanks :)
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[14:51] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, did you forget to demote agda-stdlib?
[14:52] <LocutusOfBorg> or is it useless? (wrt agda ppc64el)
[14:52] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: ah, that wasn't on your list
[14:52] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: there's no rebuild of that in -proposed either
[14:53] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't know, based on the transition tracker, it is uninstallable on ppc64el, due to agda
[14:53] <LocutusOfBorg> is it a blocker?
[14:53] <LocutusOfBorg> it is an arch:all package
[14:54] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: possibly, yes
[14:54] <LocutusOfBorg> so demoting can be done?
[14:54]  * LocutusOfBorg wonders about the word "demoting" :/
[14:56] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: moved to -proposed ("demoted") and blocked in britney
[14:56] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks, and sorry for not mentioning it, I was not sure about that situation
[14:56]  * LocutusOfBorg waits for next britney run
[14:56] <pitti> no problem
[14:56] <pitti> we all play this by ear :)
[14:57] <LocutusOfBorg> haskell can be challenging
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[15:01] <sforshee> is there anyone around who can look at my linux-firmware SRU for xenial?
[15:03] <caribou> Q: When a package is SRUed to many releases and awaiting verification, shouldn't there be a "verification-needed-{release}' present in the bug ?
[15:03] <pitti> caribou: no, we only do that for -done; as long as it's still unverified in any release, we keep v-needed
[15:04] <caribou>  that was the follow up question: if it has been verified for only one release, we should only add 'verification-done-{release}' then
[15:04] <caribou> pitti: ^^
[15:05] <pitti> correct
[15:05] <caribou> pitti: thanks!
[15:26] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, the mail flooding has started, cheers!
[15:26] <pitti> excellent! /me unblocks adga-stdlib then
[15:27] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks!
[15:27] <LocutusOfBorg> BTW, if anybody wants to see xapian-core migrate...
[15:28] <LocutusOfBorg> just grab src:notmuch from here https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+delete-packages
[15:28] <LocutusOfBorg> with the new emacs25 in main, I added it as dependency
[15:29] <LocutusOfBorg> maybe ginggs ^^ :) https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+sourcepub/7131474/+listing-archive-extra
[15:31] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: ok
[15:31] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks!
[15:38] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: notmuch still has a dependency on emacs25 ...
[15:40] <ginggs> doko: do you mean emacs24?
[15:41] <doko> ginggs: of course, don't trust what I write, always trust what I mean ;)
[15:43] <ginggs> doko: ah you mean in the depends of notmuch-emacs?
[15:44] <ginggs> doko: because LocutusOfBorg did add emacs25-nox | emacs25 | to the build-deps
[15:46] <doko> yes
[15:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: muse (xenial-proposed/universe) [2.1.2-1build1 => 2.1.2-1ubuntu0.16.04.1] (no packageset)
[15:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: muse (yakkety-proposed/universe) [2.1.2-2 => 2.1.2-2ubuntu0.16.10.1] (no packageset)
[15:48] <ginggs> doko, LocutusOfBorg: ok, i'll fix
[16:08] <LocutusOfBorg> interesting, the ghc transition page looks scary http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/poky/log/?h=daisy
[16:08] <LocutusOfBorg> oops
[16:09] <LocutusOfBorg> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/ghc.html
[16:09] <LocutusOfBorg> maybe I should wait some more time?
[16:11] <cjwatson> That occasionally happens mid-transition-to-release; just wait for the next run
[16:11] <cjwatson> It's a big batch of packages and the copy isn't atomic
[16:11] <cjwatson> So it can easily get split into multiple publisher runs
[16:20] <LocutusOfBorg> oh, I didn't knew that
[16:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: bind9 (xenial-proposed/main) [1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-8ubuntu1.2 => 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-8ubuntu1.3] (core)
[16:41] <LocutusOfBorg> somebody please hint libaws to make gnutls28 migrate?
[16:42] <LocutusOfBorg> also asis should migrate with that ^^
[16:45] <Laney> No, they are in the process of being rebuilt
[16:48] <LocutusOfBorg> ok
[16:50] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#agda-stdlib → I think that does need a rebuild, and you rebuilt it in yakkety too
[16:51] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: I already hinted gnutls28 earlier, it's in
[16:51] <pitti> gnat breakage happened a while ago already, it was unrelated
[16:51] <Laney> nevertheless, I am fixing it
[16:53] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, with emacs and dh-elpa almost fixed, I'll rebuild agda and then agda-stdlib
[16:54] <LocutusOfBorg> or just rebuild it now
[16:54]  * pitti hugs LocutusOfBorg, nice work!
[16:54] <LocutusOfBorg> :)
[16:56] <LocutusOfBorg> btw that haskell-xmlfoo broken in arm64 and s390x eat something like 30GB of ram in my laptop
[16:56] <LocutusOfBorg> I killed it
[16:56] <LocutusOfBorg> seems a similar issue to the haskell-lambdabot-haskell-plugins all your ram belongs to me
[17:01] <LocutusOfBorg> oh last thing: cjwatson this might be a nice timing to unblock haskell auto-import :)
[17:02] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: done
[17:02] <LocutusOfBorg> ta
[17:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: criu (xenial-proposed/universe) [2.6-1ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04.1 => 2.6-1ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04.2] (no packageset)
[17:09] <stgraber> ^ will fix the current build failure of criu in xenial-proposed (said it needed dh10, but really doesn't...)
[17:12] <LocutusOfBorg> feature request: in a ppa, map unstable with distro-info --devel
[17:12] <LocutusOfBorg> is it possible?
[17:13] <cjwatson> I don't think we want to do that, but you can use "devel" in the changelog when uploading to a PPA.
[17:13] <LocutusOfBorg> wow, hidden feature :) thanks!
[17:15] <infinity> tjaalton: No, there won't be multiple kernels with rolling metas, just one hwe stack, period.
[17:15] <infinity> tjaalton: One of the big driving forces here was not having junk in main that we later tell people "just kidding, not supporting that".
[17:16] <infinity> tjaalton: So, linux-hwe will just roll forward, and I'd expect xorg-hwe to do the same.
[17:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: golang-golang-x-oauth2 [amd64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [0.0~git20161103.0.36bc617-3] (no packageset)
[17:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: django-simple-redis-admin [amd64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.4.0-1] (no packageset)
[17:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: peco [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed/universe) [0.0~git20161005.0.d4f7705-1] (no packageset)
[17:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libelfin [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed/universe) [0.2-4] (no packageset)
[17:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: peco [i386] (zesty-proposed/universe) [0.0~git20161005.0.d4f7705-1] (no packageset)
[17:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: peco [arm64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [0.0~git20161005.0.d4f7705-1] (no packageset)
[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libelfin [amd64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [0.2-4] (no packageset)
[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: peco [amd64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [0.0~git20161005.0.d4f7705-1] (no packageset)
[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: peco [s390x] (zesty-proposed/universe) [0.0~git20161005.0.d4f7705-1] (no packageset)
[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libelfin [arm64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [0.2-4] (no packageset)
[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: unirest-java [amd64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.4.8-1] (no packageset)
[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: peco [armhf] (zesty-proposed/universe) [0.0~git20161005.0.d4f7705-1] (no packageset)
[17:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: peco [powerpc] (zesty-proposed/universe) [0.0~git20161005.0.d4f7705-1] (no packageset)
[17:29] <doko> and mono transitioned ...
[17:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gnuplot [amd64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [5.0.5+dfsg1-4] (no packageset)
[17:33] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, can you please help xapian-core migrate?
[17:34] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: not today. afk now
[17:34] <LocutusOfBorg> Laney, ^^ you did a lot of rebuilds for xapian
[17:34] <LocutusOfBorg> but something is missing
[17:35] <doko> rying easy from autohinter: akonadi-search/4:16.04.3-0ubuntu2 aptitude/0.8.3-1ubuntu4 baloo/4:4.14.3-0ubuntu6 khelpcenter/4:16.04.3-0ubuntu2 libqapt/3.0.2-0ubuntu4 libsearch-xapian-perl/1.2.24.0-1 maildir-utils/0.9.16-1build1 pinot/1.05-1.2 recoll/1.22.3-1build1 ubuntu-kylin-software-center/1.3.11 unity-lens-applications/7.1.0+16.10.20160927-0ubuntu2 xapian-bindings/1.4.0-7 xapian-core/1.4.1-1 xapian-omega/1.4.1-1 zeitgeist/0.9.16-0ubuntu6
[17:35] <doko> start: 8925+0: a-1739:a-1191:a-1194:i-1200:p-1196:p-1196:s-1209
[17:35] <doko> orig: 8925+0: a-1739:a-1191:a-1194:i-1200:p-1196:p-1196:s-1209
[17:35] <doko> easy: 9007+0: a-1758:a-1201:a-1205:i-1211:p-1207:p-1206:s-1219
[17:35] <doko>     * amd64: alot, aptoncd, goplay, libnotmuch-dev, libnotmuch4, lubuntu-desktop, mutt, muttprofile, notmuch, notmuch-addrlookup, notmuch-dbg, notmuch-emacs, notmuch-mutt, notmuch-vim, packagesearch, python-notmuch, python3-notmuch, ruby-notmuch, synaptic
[17:35] <doko>     * arm64: goplay, libnotmuch-dev, libnotmuch4, mutt, notmuch, notmuch-addrlookup, notmuch-dbg, packagesearch, ruby-notmuch, synaptic
[17:35] <doko>     * armhf: goplay, libnotmuch-dev, libnotmuch4, lubuntu-desktop, mutt, notmuch, notmuch-addrlookup, notmuch-dbg, packagesearch, ruby-notmuch, synaptic
[17:35] <doko>     * i386: goplay, libnotmuch-dev, libnotmuch4, lubuntu-desktop, mutt, notmuch, notmuch-addrlookup, notmuch-dbg, packagesearch, ruby-notmuch, synaptic
[17:35] <doko>     * powerpc: goplay, libnotmuch-dev, libnotmuch4, lubuntu-desktop, mutt, notmuch, notmuch-addrlookup, notmuch-dbg, packagesearch, ruby-notmuch, synaptic
[17:36] <doko>     * ppc64el: goplay, libnotmuch-dev, libnotmuch4, mutt, notmuch, notmuch-addrlookup, notmuch-dbg, packagesearch, ruby-notmuch, synaptic
[17:36] <doko>     * s390x: goplay, libnotmuch-dev, libnotmuch4, mutt, notmuch, notmuch-addrlookup, notmuch-dbg, packagesearch, ruby-notmuch, synaptic
[17:36] <doko> FAILED
[17:36] <LocutusOfBorg> nope
[17:37] <LocutusOfBorg>     * amd64: aptoncd, goplay, lubuntu-desktop, packagesearch, synaptic
[17:37] <LocutusOfBorg>     * arm64: goplay, packagesearch, synaptic
[17:37] <LocutusOfBorg>     * armhf: goplay, lubuntu-desktop, packagesearch, synaptic
[17:37] <LocutusOfBorg>     * i386: goplay, lubuntu-desktop, packagesearch, synaptic
[17:37] <LocutusOfBorg>     * powerpc: goplay, lubuntu-desktop, packagesearch, synaptic
[17:37] <LocutusOfBorg>     * ppc64el: goplay, packagesearch, synaptic
[17:37] <LocutusOfBorg>     * s390x: goplay, packagesearch, synaptic
[17:37] <LocutusOfBorg> the new run removed notmuch
[17:38] <Laney> what do you need help with?
[17:39] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm doing goplay
[17:41] <LocutusOfBorg> Laney, probably everything is in universe
[17:42] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure why lubuntu-desktop and aptoncd are there
[17:42] <Laney> They probably depend on other things that are in the list
[17:43] <LocutusOfBorg> ok I did goplay aptoncd packagesearch, synaptic
[17:43] <LocutusOfBorg> lets see
[18:05] <tjaalton> infinity: alright, thanks! I'll get on with it then :)
[18:34] <cyphermox> could someone please approve the grub2 2.02~beta3-3ubuntu1 binaries for amd64 and arm64?
[18:36] <slangasek> checking
[18:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [2.02~beta3-3ubuntu1]
[18:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [2.02~beta3-3ubuntu1]
[19:10] <rtg> cyphermox, can you accept linux 4.9.0-1.2 in the Zesty unapproved queue ?
[19:11] <cyphermox> rtg: sorry, EPERM.
[19:11] <cyphermox> slangasek: ^?
[19:15] <slangasek> cyphermox, rtg: accepted
[19:15] <rtg> slangasek, thanks
[19:15] <cyphermox> ta
[20:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cloud-init (xenial-proposed/main) [0.7.8-1-g3705bb5-0ubuntu1~16.04.3 => 0.7.8-45-g584b843-0ubuntu1~16.04.1] (edubuntu, ubuntu-cloud, ubuntu-server)
[20:41] <smoser> slangasek, ^
[20:41] <smoser> please let me know what i need to do to make that acceptable
[20:49] <slangasek> smoser: reviewing
[21:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted django-simple-redis-admin [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [1.4.0-1]
[21:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-golang-x-oauth2 [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [0.0~git20161103.0.36bc617-3]
[21:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnuplot [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [5.0.5+dfsg1-4]
[21:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted unirest-java [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [1.4.8-1]
[21:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted peco [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [0.0~git20161005.0.d4f7705-1]
[21:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted peco [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [0.0~git20161005.0.d4f7705-1]
[21:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted peco [powerpc] (zesty-proposed) [0.0~git20161005.0.d4f7705-1]
[21:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted peco [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [0.0~git20161005.0.d4f7705-1]
[21:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted peco [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [0.0~git20161005.0.d4f7705-1]
[21:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted peco [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [0.0~git20161005.0.d4f7705-1]
[21:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted peco [i386] (zesty-proposed) [0.0~git20161005.0.d4f7705-1]
[22:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cloud-init (xenial-proposed/main) [0.7.8-1-g3705bb5-0ubuntu1~16.04.3 => 0.7.8-47-gb6561a1-0ubuntu1~16.04.1] (edubuntu, ubuntu-cloud, ubuntu-server)
[23:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libelfin [amd64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [0.2-5] (no packageset)
[23:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libelfin [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed/universe) [0.2-5] (no packageset)
[23:21] <bdmurray> slangasek: can you 'remove-package -y -m "moved to -updates" -s xenial-proposed -e 1.2.15 apt' so I can review the next one?
[23:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libelfin [arm64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [0.2-5] (no packageset)
[23:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libelfin [i386] (zesty-proposed/universe) [0.2-5] (no packageset)
[23:25] <cjwatson> bdmurray: done
[23:26] <nacc> cjwatson: sorry you weren't able to attend the UOS session -- a great discussion and fyi, I think we have a way forward to become dgit compatible and for dgit to eventually be aware of our imports (which have a more complete history than what dgit asserts currently)
[23:26] <nacc> cjwatson: mostly just an fyi for you for now :)
[23:27] <cjwatson> nacc: useful, thanks!  the other thing I was thinking of while cycling through town tonight was that maybe we should acknowledge that there may not be a single source of truth for imports for a while, and that it might be worth having a way for a package-namespace repository to say "allow anyone who can upload this package to push to this repository" separate from making it the ...
[23:27] <cjwatson> ... /ubuntu/+source/foo default
[23:28] <bdmurray> cjwatson: thanks
[23:28] <nacc> cjwatson: yeah, that's something i was thinking about as well, as right now, the usd-import-team becomes a bottleneck to write to the repositor(ies)
[23:28] <cjwatson> nacc: originally I was thinking that we'd do that by letting usd-import-team set the default, but that only works if we can really say it's definitely the preferred thing for everyone to use
[23:28] <nacc> cjwatson: right
[23:28] <cjwatson> and I feel like that could both be some way off, and maybe a distraction
[23:29] <cjwatson> anyway, I should sleep, but glad to hear it was useful
[23:29] <nacc> and having that flexibility would be great anyways, I think
[23:29] <nacc> cjwatson: have a good night!
[23:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected cloud-init [source] (xenial-proposed) [0.7.8-45-g584b843-0ubuntu1~16.04.1]
[23:29] <slangasek> bdmurray: technically shouldn't be required before reviewing the new one though, should it?
[23:30] <bdmurray> slangasek: reviewing or accepting?
[23:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cloud-init [source] (xenial-proposed) [0.7.8-47-gb6561a1-0ubuntu1~16.04.1]
[23:32] <slangasek> bdmurray: either?  if it's just replacing the existing one that's already copied to -updates, should be fine I think?
[23:33] <bdmurray> Hmm, I thought I'd heard it wasn't.
[23:51] <jgrimm> slangasek, pitti: thanks for the help on cloud-init
[23:58] <slangasek> jgrimm: no problem!