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| mhall119 | nacc: do you know how to setup the hangout for your session? | 17:49 |
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| mhall119 | if not, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Sessions has the step-by-step instructions | 17:49 |
| nacc | mhall119: i *think* it should be setup now | 17:50 |
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| nacc | thanks to rbasak :) | 17:50 |
| dholbach | nice work! | 17:50 |
| mhall119 | nacc: the video doesn't allow embedding | 17:50 |
| mhall119 | rbasak: ^^ can you edit the video settings? | 17:51 |
| rbasak | Where would I do that? | 17:51 |
| mhall119 | not sure after it's created | 17:52 |
| Diziet | nacc: Could you invite me to the video hangout (Ian Jackson, I created b83m6t@fyvzl.net for this) | 17:52 |
| nacc | Diziet: sure, give me one second | 17:52 |
| Diziet | thanks | 17:52 |
| rbasak | Diziet: try going to https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/ytl/yq07F04I9D_f6YnWIxoB7HycyY363CimE_hAfjF8Ptc=?hl=en_GB&authuser=0 | 17:52 |
| mhall119 | rbasak: when you set it up , in Advanced settings,there's an option for "Allow embedding" towards the bottom | 17:52 |
| mhall119 | you might have to create a new video to change that though | 17:53 |
| rbasak | mhall119: in that case, do I need to quit...right. | 17:53 |
| rbasak | Diziet: so that won't work. One moment. | 17:53 |
| nacc | we'll be ready in just a sec :) | 17:53 |
| rbasak | mhall119: it says "You can't embed live streams." | 17:54 |
| rbasak | And the checkbox is disabled. | 17:54 |
| mhall119 | huh....not sure why that is, it's enabled for my account | 17:55 |
| nacc | "ou will need to have a Verified YouTube profile before you can start an On-Air Hangout." ? | 17:55 |
| rbasak | The help page says that my channel has to be verified. | 17:55 |
| rbasak | Right. I thought I already did that with a phone call. Or was that just the account? | 17:55 |
| mhall119 | not sure, they've changed so much about on-air hangouts lately | 17:55 |
| mhall119 | I can host this next one if you'd like | 17:55 |
| rbasak | Please | 17:56 |
| mhall119 | ok, updated the summit page, https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/ytl/FfvzFcwTgW8qXQc2vOX5pYOQS51NOMYubPQfO1XGCfU=?hl=en_US&authuser=0 is the new hangout | 17:58 |
| nacc | mhall119: thank you! | 17:58 |
| CoderEurope | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD45uJ8q2dk | 17:58 |
| mhall119 | getting everyone setup on the hangout, we'll be starting soon | 18:00 |
| slangasek | barry: view-only link, so you have that at least: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD45uJ8q2dk | 18:02 |
| CoderEurope | Will @jcastro be joining us ? | 18:02 |
| smoser | http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1611-git-based-merge-workflow | 18:02 |
| smoser | ^ has all relevant links now | 18:02 |
| slangasek | huh, hangout toolbox completely broken for me, no way to put my name on anymore | 18:04 |
| mhall119 | slangasek: running chromium? | 18:07 |
| mhall119 | it breaks there sometimes | 18:07 |
| mhall119 | QUESTION: Does Debian keep their package sources in Git now too? | 18:10 |
| barry | fwiw, git-dpm is essentially abandonware | 18:10 |
| nacc | barry: good to know | 18:10 |
| slangasek | mhall119: firefox | 18:10 |
| mhall119 | hmmm, works for me in FF (today anyway) | 18:10 |
| Diziet | Hi. | 18:10 |
| Diziet | My angle is mostly that I'm trying to talk people into using patches-applied trees. | 18:11 |
| nacc | mhall119: it's a maintainer's choice, aiui -- the choice of how to do it, is up to them | 18:11 |
| mhall119 | ah, ok, so nothing uniform | 18:11 |
| nacc | mhall119: right, and not enforced to be one particular VCS by any means | 18:12 |
| mhall119 | it does, thanks rbasak | 18:12 |
| barry | i have a very dumb script which does a git-dpm import-dsc + chdists to do git dev of a pure ubuntu update, but this work is much better for merges than anything else i've used. what i'm interested in is moving this more toward a git-based replacement for udd. i.e. automatic imports, publicly available repo urls, with long term dream of push(+tag?) == upload | 18:12 |
| CoderEurope | QUESTION: I doubt that I am not alone in not knowing all of the issues connected with this project - But my question is WHAT about translations and how can we better integrate them/tose in your project ? #Noob question. | 18:13 |
| mhall119 | oh, nice one Diziet | 18:13 |
| CoderEurope | sans tose/tose | 18:13 |
| CoderEurope | sans tose/those | 18:13 |
| barry | aside: d/patches management is pretty crucial imho (i.e. 3.0 quilt <-> git), which when it works in git-dpm is pretty easy and when it doesn't is very painful. similarly gbp-pq | 18:15 |
| Diziet | barry: Yes. That's where most of the code in dgit is. | 18:16 |
| rbasak | As an example, you can "git clone https://git.launchpad.net/~usd-import-team/ubuntu/+source/dovecot" and take a look at the tree in "gitk --all" | 18:16 |
| barry | Diziet: ack. that's where all the "fun" is :) | 18:16 |
| CoderEurope | Is ack @sil on this channel ? | 18:16 |
| popey | no | 18:17 |
| popey | he is afk | 18:17 |
| CoderEurope | popey, thanks-you. | 18:17 |
| Diziet | warning: remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout. | 18:17 |
| rbasak | Diziet: that's fine, ignore. | 18:17 |
| rbasak | That's because there is no master branch. | 18:17 |
| Diziet | git checkout ubuntu/zesty <- fixed it | 18:18 |
| slangasek | nacc, rbasak: where do I file bug reports? ;) Because there should be a trunk which is the Ubuntu development trunk, and ubuntu/rel branches should only be needed for SRU | 18:19 |
| rbasak | slangasek: https://launchpad.net/usd-importer | 18:20 |
| rbasak | slangasek: there is an "ubuntu/devel" tip maintained that is the Ubuntu development trunk. | 18:20 |
| rbasak | Perhaps HEAD should point to that. | 18:20 |
| slangasek | cool | 18:20 |
| rbasak | We'd probably need an LP API if there isn't one already to make HEAD point to the right thing. That's more than just the "git push" that the importer does today. | 18:21 |
| Diziet | changelog merge conflicts> devscripts has a mergechangelogs tool which often DTRT | 18:21 |
| rbasak | Diziet: yes, we use dpkg-mergechangelogs extensively in our workflow. | 18:21 |
| rbasak | It does get very painful when we cherry-pick individual bugfixes though. The right thing doesn't happen in debian/changelog. | 18:22 |
| rbasak | So instead we keep changes to debian/changelog in their own commits. | 18:22 |
| rbasak | And write debian/changelog basically only straight before upload. | 18:22 |
| rbasak | Very similar to git-dch. | 18:22 |
| Diziet | Hmm. Yes, I can see why you might do that. | 18:22 |
| rbasak | Uh, gbp dch. | 18:22 |
| CoderEurope | mhall119 Does www.packages.ubuntu.com include the Soutce file and license usually (incl. git repos) ? | 18:23 |
| CoderEurope | **sans Soutce/Source | 18:23 |
| mhall119 | CoderEurope: I'm not familiar with packages.ubuntu.com, sorry | 18:24 |
| nacc | slangasek: https://bugs.launchpad.net/usd-importer | 18:24 |
| slangasek | nacc: yep - already added to the pad, thanks :) | 18:25 |
| nacc | slangasek: thank you! | 18:25 |
| mhall119 | is this "dgit" or "dget"? | 18:27 |
| slangasek | mhall119: dgit | 18:27 |
| mhall119 | thanks | 18:27 |
| barry | Diziet: QUESTION: with a patches-applied tree, how do you extract the patches applied to pristine upstream, e.g. to submit patches upstream, drop patches once applied upstream, etc.? | 18:28 |
| slangasek | nacc, rbasak: you described usd-importer as "not doing a git merge"; that makes a certain amount of sense given that we don't have import branches tracking the full Debian history today; is this a fundamental design decision? i.e. if we had rich history branches for Debian, would you be opposed to switching to merge? | 18:28 |
| nacc | slangasek: it's not actually that it doens't do merges | 18:29 |
| nacc | slangasek: the importer does a lot of merges :) | 18:29 |
| nacc | slangasek: just 'ubuntu merges' aren't 'git merges' | 18:29 |
| slangasek | nacc: ok, well - for UDD, ubuntu merges /are/ git merges ;) | 18:29 |
| slangasek | er | 18:29 |
| slangasek | bzr merges | 18:29 |
| slangasek | (sorry, my brain autoreplaced bzr with git on the fly) | 18:29 |
| nacc | interesting, I'd need to look at that in more detail -- there's no hard requirement, in and of itself, that they not be git-merges | 18:30 |
| nacc | slangasek: merge of the old ubuntu with the new debian? | 18:30 |
| slangasek | yes | 18:30 |
| nacc | slangasek: ok, that's what the importer will do, as well | 18:30 |
| slangasek | ok :) | 18:30 |
| nacc | slangasek: there are up to 3 parents for any given publish: publishing parent (per Launchpad and the series history), changelog parent (from that publish's debian/changelog) and upload parent (in case a user pushed an upload tag to the repository representing their upload to the archive) | 18:32 |
| nacc | slangasek: that's a relatively low level detail, but I think answers your question more completely | 18:33 |
| * slangasek nods | 18:33 | |
| rbasak | https://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vcs-pkg-discuss | 18:40 |
| barry | any chance it's on gmane? ;) | 18:41 |
| nacc | http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/vcs-pkg-discuss/2016-November/000909.html also, as a direct link | 18:43 |
| CoderEurope | mhall119 : QUESTIOn (duplicate) earlier: .... the issues connected with this project - But my question is WHAT about translations and how can we better integrate them/those in your project ? | 18:47 |
| mhall119 | ^^ for rbasak or nacc I think | 18:47 |
| nacc | CoderEurope: thank you for the question -- sorry, the current topic is quite involved | 18:48 |
| CoderEurope | no prob/lem | 18:48 |
| nacc | CoderEurope: I personally don't know much about translations; but if they are just changes to debian/, it's sort of orthogonal to our project. Or maybe parallel :) That is, you can commit to the imported tree to add translations and ask that those changes get merged in order to upload them. It's not a focus of the workflows (yet), but it seems like translations could be one future documented | 18:49 |
| nacc | (common) workflow. | 18:49 |
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| CoderEurope | nacc, Thank-you you need to tell users 'Where' to file bugs too .. give a screenshare maybe of the launchpad page ? | 18:50 |
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| barry | slangasek: please no! having separate patches on top of upstream (whether directly represented or generated) is imho, very important for any interactions with upstream | 18:50 |
| slangasek | barry: but they're represented as git commits | 18:51 |
| slangasek | which is long-term better for us all | 18:51 |
| nacc | CoderEurope: yes, will do. I think it's in the pad and I'll add it to the summit description | 18:51 |
| CoderEurope | nacc, right-oh | 18:51 |
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| barry | slangasek: yes, if those aren't squashed, *and* they're easily derived from upstream, then that's okay | 18:52 |
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| slangasek | barry: so patches in debian/patches inherited from Debian, and imported into Ubuntu via dgit, would be squashed; but we're not responsible for those in Ubuntu | 18:52 |
| slangasek | barry: but Ubuntu patches would not have their commits squashed | 18:53 |
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| barry | slangasek: but there's often a lot of overlap between "responsible in ubuntu" and "responsible in debian". but if otoh i could look at the debian unsquashed view of the world then maybe it's okay, but it feels more complicated | 18:54 |
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| nacc | So the git-based merge workflow is going to switch to a second hangout, URL forthcoming | 18:56 |
| lynorian | Good idea | 18:57 |
| nacc | we will make sure to capture that recording, as well, and it will be included in the UOS page/pad etc | 18:57 |
| barry | gmane.comp.package.vcs-pkg fwiw | 18:58 |
| rbasak | git workflow continuation hangout URL: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/ytl/ItUlmFSFjrFhFGzkE9LNt5tbVR32v8C9B3zsg-YK8zQ=?hl=en_GB&authuser=0 | 18:58 |
| rbasak | Is there an IRC channel to which we can move as well? | 18:58 |
| mhall119 | you can use #ubuntu-uos-overflow | 18:59 |
| slangasek | barry: well basically, it means if you have a Debian branch where you're maintaining, your workflow there doesn't change; and dgit's synthesized branches /for Debian/ don't change; but the dgit imported branches /for Ubuntu/ would flatten debian/patches for convenience | 18:59 |
| dholbach | hey svij | 18:59 |
| svij | hey dholbach | 18:59 |
| svij | I'm checking if i'm doing everyhing correct… | 19:00 |
| slangasek | barry: and furthermore, if you adopted a dgit workflow in Debian, you would still have commit-per-patch view that merges through into Ubuntu | 19:00 |
| svij | https://hangouts.google.com/call/7dbrin2vszadrmjkoniqt4eizae | 19:00 |
| dholbach | do you have the broadcast url too? | 19:00 |
| svij | if I find that… | 19:01 |
| mhall119 | svij: "Links" in the bottom right corner of the hangout screen | 19:01 |
| mhall119 | if it's an on-air hangout | 19:02 |
| svij | dholbach will set it up again | 19:02 |
| svij | since I'm too dumb for that :D | 19:02 |
| dholbach | 2 more secs | 19:02 |
| dholbach | https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/ytl/6Cyqdfp7edHoROiXxoyfCoMCWPiSjyZ-ggQazNz2UIo= for everyone who wants to join in | 19:03 |
| mhall119 | svij: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Sessions | 19:03 |
| dholbach | http://youtu.be/RJWSxDUVMBE broadcast | 19:03 |
| cm-t | Heya !! | 19:04 |
| kristbaum | Online yet? | 19:04 |
| dholbach | mhall119, you joining? | 19:04 |
| dholbach | or who else are we waiting for? | 19:04 |
| mhall119 | google say's I'm already there....and alone | 19:04 |
| dholbach | oh | 19:05 |
| svij | mhall119: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/ytl/6Cyqdfp7edHoROiXxoyfCoMCWPiSjyZ-ggQazNz2UIo= this one? | 19:05 |
| dholbach | we had to update the links | 19:05 |
| svij | oh right | 19:05 |
| cm-t | i can't join hangout, will follow by listening and replying here if needed :) | 19:05 |
| dholbach | we'll be right there | 19:05 |
| mhall119 | dholbach: says I'mnot authorized now :( | 19:05 |
| * cm-t is in weekly board loco team | 19:06 | |
| svij | huh | 19:06 |
| dholbach | mhall119, https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/ytl/6Cyqdfp7edHoROiXxoyfCoMCWPiSjyZ-ggQazNz2UIo=?authuser=1 maybe? | 19:06 |
| dholbach | I'm not sure what to do | 19:06 |
| dholbach | the others could join | 19:06 |
| dholbach | maybe wrong account or something? | 19:06 |
| mhall119 | if I use authuser=1 or =2 it lets me in, but I'm alone | 19:06 |
| cm-t | on the summit site it says it will start soon | 19:06 |
| svij | cm-t: not live yet | 19:06 |
| dholbach | are you sure it's the right link? | 19:06 |
| dholbach | we're 4 | 19:06 |
| CoderEurope | Etherpad (nothing in it) http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1611-ubucon-europe | 19:07 |
| dholbach | \o/ | 19:07 |
| kristbaum | \o/ working | 19:08 |
| Mister_Q | kristbaum o/ | 19:08 |
| kristbaum | Mister_Q: o/ | 19:08 |
| * flexiondotorg is coming too :-) | 19:08 | |
| * Mister_Q waves from a company event and can't be in the hangout unfortunately | 19:09 | |
| dholbach | <3 | 19:09 |
| cm-t | Re. | 19:09 |
| svij | guided tour through this: https://www.zollverein.de/angebote/ueber-kohle-und-kumpel | 19:10 |
| svij | http://ubucon.org/en/events/ubucon-europe/schedule/ | 19:10 |
| lynorian | I have no microphone or webcam though on this desktop | 19:10 |
| kristbaum | svij: where would one apply for a place to the trip? | 19:11 |
| kristbaum | to the Coalmines ;) | 19:11 |
| cm-t | Spoiler: LeUbuntuPodcast will release within 24h a video promoting explaining UbuCon in english, from cuts at ubucon summit us interviews | 19:12 |
| cm-t | i hope it will bring maybe 1 or 2 more visitors ^^ | 19:13 |
| CoderEurope | QUESTION: Where can we buy camera stuff like sd cards in Essen City, Germany ? | 19:13 |
| dholbach | there should be lots of places around | 19:14 |
| dholbach | and the Unperfekthaus is in the middle of the city center | 19:14 |
| CoderEurope | QUESTION: What is the IRC channel for the Ubucon conference in 2016 ? | 19:15 |
| dholbach | not sure if that's decided... svij: ^ | 19:16 |
| svij | #ubucon-eu | 19:16 |
| lynorian | yeah I don't think IRC works that well at the confrence | 19:16 |
| dholbach | there's always going to be some who hang out there :) | 19:18 |
| kristbaum | svij: I'm there on Fryday, if I want to help out, should I just come to the Unperfekthaus? | 19:19 |
| CoderEurope | QUESTION: What contingencies are there for people that become unwell ? | 19:20 |
| dholbach | what? | 19:20 |
| dholbach | there's always one Patient Zero | 19:21 |
| kristbaum | :D | 19:21 |
| flexiondotorg | CoderEurope, Eat your vegetables. | 19:21 |
| mhall119 | ha! | 19:21 |
| dholbach | yes! | 19:21 |
| dholbach | veggies FTW | 19:21 |
| Mister_Q | +1 | 19:21 |
| cm-t | Yummy | 19:21 |
| CoderEurope | flexiondotorg: I am a carnivor ;) | 19:21 |
| flexiondotorg | CoderEurope, Are you coming? | 19:22 |
| lynorian | mmm veggies | 19:22 |
| CoderEurope | I am perpetually broke. | 19:22 |
| kristbaum | Syncing the flu ;) | 19:22 |
| kristbaum | Ugh, but it's so early :( | 19:23 |
| * Mister_Q forces kristbaum to write a blogpost about coalmines and ubuntu on ubuntufun. de if he actually attends that social event :D | 19:23 | |
| * kristbaum will do it ;) | 19:23 | |
| kristbaum | Thanks ;) | 19:23 |
| Mister_Q | kristbaum haha | 19:24 |
| lynorian | I am lucky to have a laptop with both | 19:25 |
| CoderEurope | QUESTION: Will there be hotdogs, if not what foodies shall there be available ? | 19:26 |
| lynorian | good no stuart langridge dying from too much carls junior | 19:27 |
| cm-t | question: Beer 🍻🍺 | 19:27 |
| mhall119 | that's not a question, that's an answer | 19:27 |
| cm-t | Ohhh | 19:27 |
| kristbaum | QUESTION: can you just enter an leave as you please, or does everyone get a braclett or something? | 19:27 |
| flexiondotorg | CoderEurope, I'm curious, if you're not going why are you asking these questions? | 19:27 |
| CoderEurope | flexiondotorg: I am sorry but I have been to many cons also I own /r/ubucon so I have a slight interest/experience. Are you gaining me ? | 19:29 |
| kristbaum | spirits? | 19:29 |
| Mister_Q | kristbaum http://misterq.me/nextcloud/index.php/s/fc9B1dr942jQfxt | 19:29 |
| * lynorian is part of ubuntu- california team and want to see if any good ideas for this ubucon but can't really make it this time | 19:30 | |
| mhall119 | lynorian: are you in touch with richard gaskin or nathan haines about UbuCon in California? | 19:30 |
| kristbaum | Mister_Q so everyone will run around with popeys nametag now :D | 19:30 |
| lynorian | I am in touch with nhianes a lot | 19:31 |
| lynorian | and some with richard gaskin | 19:31 |
| svij | nhaines will be attending | 19:31 |
| CoderEurope | QUESTION: Will you be using something like #mediagoblin to show the slides/talk videos ? | 19:32 |
| Mister_Q | kristbaum you'll get your own namebadge dont worry ;) It's just that I was too lazy and popey's namebadge was the first that I've cut out yet | 19:32 |
| cm-t | Please help spread the video we will release within 24h to promote ubucon europe 💞 | 19:32 |
| cm-t | you're in mhall119 :D | 19:32 |
| cm-t | dh u2 :) | 19:33 |
| mhall119 | in what? | 19:33 |
| cm-t | a video we will release before tomorow to promote ubucon | 19:33 |
| cm-t | it's cuts from last ubucon summit passadena | 19:33 |
| CoderEurope | QUESTION: So the talks shall just remain on YTube ? Whats the name of the channel ? | 19:33 |
| kristbaum | CoderEurope: IIRC they will be probably on a channel named Ubuntufun also | 19:34 |
| svij | Mister_Q: ^ | 19:34 |
| Mister_Q | CoderEurope I will record a few talks and they'll go up on our ubuntufun youtube channel. Unfortunately I can not record every talk | 19:34 |
| Mister_Q | svij ;) | 19:35 |
| Mister_Q | kristbaum never heard of that :D | 19:35 |
| cm-t | Maybe use ubucon europe g+ account? | 19:35 |
| Mister_Q | nope | 19:35 |
| kristbaum | \o/ till friday! | 19:35 |
| Mister_Q | I have all the work with editing and filming them so they go up on our channel | 19:35 |
| flexiondotorg | svij, Thanks for organising UbuCon Europe. Can't wait :-) | 19:35 |
| cm-t | See you friday !!!! | 19:35 |
| svij | flexiondotorg: :) | 19:35 |
| cm-t | mister_q right :) | 19:36 |
| flexiondotorg | cm-t, Indeed. | 19:36 |
| * Mister_Q goes back to the party, see you in essen \o/ | 19:37 | |
| CoderEurope | thanks guys. | 19:38 |
| dholbach | haha :) | 19:38 |
| svij | great | 19:39 |
| * svij goes to update the friday social events on the webpage… | 19:39 | |
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