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| zulfi | hi, any talk | 09:32 |
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| === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uos-core to: Track: Core | Creating your first snap | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1611/meeting/22712/creating-your-first-snap/ | ||
| CoderEurope | mhall119: o/ | 14:52 |
| mhall119 | o/ | 14:52 |
| * CoderEurope sips his black coffee .. | 14:52 | |
| * mhall119 refills his | 14:52 | |
| didrocks | o/ | 14:53 |
| CoderEurope | 2 minutes to go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YnUbJa-ISs | 14:57 |
| CoderEurope | dholbach: good luck :) 10 seconds to go .. | 14:59 |
| dholbach | sorry, I'm having some difficulties - give me another 2 mins | 15:00 |
| CoderEurope | 2nd video that is 2 minutes late today :( | 15:02 |
| dholbach | sorry | 15:04 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | 15:05 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | no video | 15:05 |
| dholbach | it it working now? | 15:05 |
| dholbach | maybe you need to reload the page? | 15:05 |
| LarreaMikel | yep | 15:05 |
| LarreaMikel | reload and it works | 15:05 |
| kristbaum_ | Jep, working ;) | 15:06 |
| didrocks | o/ | 15:06 |
| mhall119 | dholbach: we see it | 15:07 |
| kristbaum_ | didrocks: Get well soon | 15:07 |
| didrocks | thanks kristbaum_ :) I can still type though and help answering questions :) | 15:07 |
| CoderEurope | finished my cigar - bender came back to this: http://archive.is/jHWmf | 15:09 |
| mhall119 | CoderEurope: try reloading http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1611/meeting/22712/creating-your-first-snap/ | 15:11 |
| mhall119 | there's a new video link I think | 15:11 |
| LarreaMikel | this first snap will be for PC, rp2... | 15:11 |
| CoderEurope | Ahh .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RgmpLdxxIA | 15:12 |
| mhall119 | LarreaMikel: it'll be for whatever CPU architecture he builds it on | 15:12 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | back | 15:13 |
| LarreaMikel | mhall119: thanks | 15:13 |
| mhall119 | LarreaMikel: other that architecture, snaps don't know or care about where they are run | 15:14 |
| CoderEurope | QUESTION: How do we get 'atril' into a snappy package ? Could you take us through it ? https://redd.it/5cylzt | 15:16 |
| didrocks | CoderEurope: you will have after this basic usage some examples on how to create a snap package, so you can jump in and try to create it :) | 15:17 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | QUESTION: Why make a snap ? | 15:17 |
| Thibran | QUESTION: Will it be possible to create Snaps on 14.04 using snapcraft, containing .deb packages from Ubuntu 14.04 archive? | 15:18 |
| kristbaum | QUESTION: Are snaps automatically updated by default? If yes where can one configure the update-frequency? | 15:19 |
| LarreaMikel | mhall119: yes, but it is not the same to create a snap for PC or RP2 (or am I wrong?). I mean, that in order to create a snap for RP2, you can't create it form a PC | 15:20 |
| mhall119 | LarreaMikel: correct, you either need an ARM device like the RP2 to build it on, or a virtual machine that emulates ARM | 15:20 |
| LarreaMikel | mhall119: thank you. | 15:21 |
| kristbaum | mhall119: if you build your snap on launchpad, will it be ARM too? | 15:21 |
| didrocks | kristbaum: yes, you can choose which archs you are building your snap on with launchpad | 15:22 |
| kristbaum | \o/ | 15:22 |
| mhall119 | kristbaum: you can tell Launchpad to use an ARM builder, yes | 15:23 |
| didrocks | Thibran: you need to ping sergiusens on #snappy | 15:23 |
| didrocks | or here :) | 15:23 |
| didrocks | (but please move the discussion there) | 15:23 |
| CoderEurope | QUESTION: Could you give us an example of the snap you've done - about its confinements ? | 15:24 |
| kristbaum | didrocks: what is the default update-polling rate for snapd, and where can one adjust it? | 15:26 |
| didrocks | kristbaum: IIRC, at least once a day, and then, some checks are done each time you are hitting the store with a snap command | 15:28 |
| * CoderEurope has orange bits in his gnashers :( | 15:29 | |
| diddledan | vim working well for dholbach there :-D | 15:29 |
| kristbaum | don't distract poor dholbach ;) | 15:30 |
| diddledan | sorry :-p | 15:31 |
| sergiusens | didrocks we prefer rocket chat these days ;-) | 15:31 |
| seb128 | because we didn't have enough different tools to communicate | 15:32 |
| didrocks | sergiusens: seems people are on IRC currently ;) | 15:32 |
| seb128 | sergiusens, is that new chat thing described/referenced anywhere? | 15:33 |
| seb128 | or is that just a way to hide from users? :p | 15:33 |
| CoderEurope | the sound is blanking out, on and off intermittently :( grumbles. | 15:35 |
| didrocks | CoderEurope: when dholbach is typing, correct | 15:35 |
| didrocks | but he doesn't talk by then | 15:35 |
| sergiusens | seb128 on every snapcraft release since this month sent to snapcraft-announce | 15:36 |
| seb128 | sergiusens, you might want to put it in the topic of the #snappy channel? | 15:37 |
| sergiusens | seb128 I am not admin but let me see who is | 15:37 |
| seb128 | sergiusens, well if you are trying to drive people off IRC... | 15:37 |
| * CoderEurope turns the office fan up. and has some juice. | 15:38 | |
| CoderEurope | QUESTION: Can you use tar zip files instead of tarballs for source files ? | 15:41 |
| elopio | CoderEurope: if you want to give a try at snapping atril, you can join the #snappy channel on IRC, or #snapcraft in rocket.ubuntu.com. We can help you there. | 15:41 |
| didrocks | CoderEurope: yes! | 15:42 |
| CoderEurope | elopio: I dont have the technology-laptop to do that. | 15:42 |
| elopio | CoderEurope: I'm not sure what you are missing, but there are plenty of ways to get something running. | 15:45 |
| elopio | we could even steal some resources from the lxd demo ^_^ | 15:45 |
| Skuggen | Is there a difference between --dangerous and --force-dangerous? | 15:47 |
| didrocks | Skuggen: --force-dangerous was the old name for --dangerous | 15:48 |
| Skuggen | Ah | 15:48 |
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| elopio | dholbach: it's an autotools snap, shouldn't be too hard. But it might need to snap the mate libraries first. | 15:49 |
| kristbaum | QUESTION: what if a buld proccess expects you to run a shellscript in advance, to set up workspaces? | 15:50 |
| didrocks | dholbach: ^ | 15:50 |
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| didrocks | kristbaum: I would go with a custom snapcraft plugin | 15:50 |
| CoderEurope | QUESTION: What other kind of config flags are there ? IDKnow what a config flag is ? | 15:50 |
| sergiusens | kristbaum coming in snapcraft 2.23 | 15:51 |
| sergiusens | dholbach ^ | 15:51 |
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| kristbaum | Uhh, cool :) | 15:51 |
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| CoderEurope | dholbach: I have a last question for you ... | 15:53 |
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| kristbaum | serguisens: when can we expect 2.23? ^^ | 15:54 |
| -udsbotu:#ubuntu-uos-core- This session has ended. | 15:54 | |
| didrocks | thanks a lot dholbach! | 15:54 |
| dholbach | thanks everyone | 15:54 |
| dholbach | on to the next session | 15:54 |
| seb128 | thanks dholbach! | 15:55 |
| elopio | thank you dholbach ! | 15:55 |
| LarreaMikel | thank you dholbach | 15:55 |
| kristbaum | Good Job dholbach! | 15:55 |
| === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uos-core to: Track: Core | Snap Roadmap and Q&A | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1611/meeting/22717/snap-roadmap-and-qa/ | ||
| CoderEurope | Hiya Chloe ! | 15:59 |
| CoderEurope | Is this the stream ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ocb8hPYhQwM | 16:00 |
| kristbaum | CoderEurope: yes | 16:01 |
| ChloeWolfieGirl | Hello :3 | 16:01 |
| kristbaum | It's on!! | 16:02 |
| ChloeWolfieGirl | It is :3 | 16:02 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | HI | 16:04 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and oh ChloeWolfieGirl is here | 16:04 |
| dholbach | if you have questions, please ask! | 16:04 |
| dholbach | make sure you prefix them with QUESTION: so I can more easily pick them up | 16:04 |
| dholbach | and ask the guys :) | 16:04 |
| ChloeWolfieGirl | Yes I am SebthreeBQM10HD | 16:04 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | ChloeWolfieGirl, have you turned into a snap? | 16:04 |
| ChloeWolfieGirl | SebthreeBQM10HD: I wish x'D | 16:05 |
| ChloeWolfieGirl | QUESTION: What are the plans with Snap and the Phone? | 16:05 |
| kristbaum | QUESTION: How does Ubuntu Core handle graphical apps? Does ist bring an XServer ind the Snap, can it handle Mir? | 16:06 |
| LarreaMikel | QUESTION: Is there any plan for real time features in Ubuntu Core? | 16:07 |
| ChloeWolfieGirl | QUESTION: I know Ubuntu personal is something snappy, is that full snap, can it be installed on any hardware like normal ubuntu and will we be able to install none-snaps on personal? | 16:07 |
| kristbaum | QUESTION: If an update breaks something, are there plans to build in error detection, and revert the update automatically? | 16:07 |
| CoderEurope | QUESTION: Does it " take a village" to build an Snappy App for Ubuntu Cloud ? #random question. | 16:08 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | QUESTION; When is Ubuntu personal going to be pretty much ready, do you expect ? ready as in quite useable and on computer, phone, tablet etc ? | 16:08 |
| kristbaum | QUESTION: has Snappy Interfaces for Serial, SPI, I2C? | 16:08 |
| kristbaum | QUESTION: Could you snap an app that uses bashscripts? | 16:09 |
| didrocks | kristbaum: there are some interfaces for GPI, I2C, but you need to modify your question in "when are they going to ship in device images" | 16:10 |
| mhall119 | QUESTION: Can you give an ETA for snap support on 14.04, Debian, Fedora and CentOS? | 16:11 |
| CoderEurope | QUESTION: Is torbrowser and IceCat browser as a snappy app in the ubuntu store ? | 16:11 |
| sergiusens | kristbaum you can do mir on core https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/mir-snaps/ | 16:12 |
| CoderEurope | QUESTION: Are there less that 600 snaps in the Ubuntu Store ? | 16:13 |
| sergiusens | kristbaum about auto roll back; health checks are planned | 16:13 |
| sergiusens | mvo ^ | 16:13 |
| ChloeWolfieGirl | QUESTION: What would you like to see snapped? | 16:13 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | QUESTION: When do you think that most Ubuntu users will be using a snap based version of Ubuntu, instead of a Deb based version ? | 16:13 |
| Skuggen | I was surprised at how small the MySQL snap ended up being, actually: 18mb | 16:14 |
| kristbaum | thanks didrocks and sergiusens | 16:14 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | QUESTION; What about the size issue for snaps, some snaps can be many gbs it seems, any way to make things smaller ? | 16:14 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | QUESTION; How are snaps going to work, on say Ubuntu tablet, that only has like 16gb of space, if most of them are massive ? | 16:15 |
| kristbaum | QUESION: when will the announced Firefox snap come? | 16:15 |
| mhall119 | SebthreeBQM10HD: ubuntu-app-platform is a content-sharing snap that provides something similary to click frameworks, so snap apps on the phone/tablet will be about the same size as their click version | 16:16 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | QUESTION; Debian and Fedora will also support snaps it seems ok, but why should all those various other distros as well? Plus doesn't GNOME have something similar ? | 16:16 |
| kristbaum | QUESTION: Are there plans to ship some apps in Ubuntu 17.04 as snaps by default? like e.g Firefox, Libreoffice, kernel? | 16:16 |
| CoderEurope | QUESTION: Can you specific a Free Document licence in the Snap configs ? | 16:16 |
| CoderEurope | QUESTION: Does snapcraft have a tweet address ? | 16:19 |
| mhall119 | @snapcraftio | 16:21 |
| CoderEurope | QUESTION: Monetizing: How does that work in private non-Canonical stores ? | 16:23 |
| CoderEurope | QUESTION: Can we expect to see btc (bitcoin) used in the money-participation of paying for Ubuntu Snaps from the Canonical store, if not elsewhere ? | 16:26 |
| ChloeWolfieGirl | CoderEurope: +1 I'd like to buy snappy apps with btc | 16:31 |
| flexiondotorg | QUESTION: If someone is planning to write an Interface, should they wait for the refactoring you mentioned? | 16:31 |
| popey | Oooh, good question flexiondotorg :) | 16:32 |
| CoderEurope | QUESTION: if Pixel ( the raspberry pi Foundation's desktop lxde environment hot newness ) could be put into a Snap, what limits are there in terms of repository locations, would there be for developers ? | 16:32 |
| flexiondotorg | CoderEurope, The Raspbian kernel doesn't have AppArmor. So snaps aren't possible. | 16:33 |
| CoderEurope | right-oh | 16:34 |
| Skuggen | Would be nice to have a way to search in edge/beta as well | 16:36 |
| sergiusens | mvo darktable is there, well darktable-kyrofa | 16:36 |
| mvo | sergiusens: \o/ | 16:36 |
| CoderEurope | dholbach: a_lot of questions left -over so far :) | 16:39 |
| dholbach | CoderEurope, wihch one? | 16:41 |
| dholbach | I'm going top to bottom :) | 16:41 |
| CoderEurope | not one in particular - just a_lot to go with the time available (1hour). | 16:41 |
| dholbach | ok :) | 16:45 |
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| jrwren | zyga: great explaination. One of best I've ever heard for snaps for common desktop/server use. | 16:51 |
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| CoderEurope | dholbach: My question about the license used in the Snap was - do you 'specify' that in the snap or elsewhere, if so where & how do you check what license is used in the snappy app ? | 16:53 |
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| Skuggen | CoderEurope: You could specify in the snapcraft file (but that's deprecated, I think), and when uploading to the store | 16:54 |
| Skuggen | s/uploading/publishing | 16:54 |
| flexiondotorg | zyga, Thanks! | 16:54 |
| CoderEurope | Skuggen: right-oh | 16:54 |
| -udsbotu:#ubuntu-uos-core- This session has ended. | 16:54 | |
| mhall119 | great session, thanks for all the answers zyga and mvo | 16:55 |
| Skuggen | Thanks, all :) | 16:55 |
| LarreaMikel | Thank you guys ;) | 16:55 |
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| CoderEurope | Thanks guys ! | 16:56 |
| flexiondotorg | zyga, mvo dholbach Thanks for the session. | 16:56 |
| zyga | thank you everyone | 16:56 |
| dholbach | thanks everyone! | 16:57 |
| dholbach | that should be quite a bit of information to digest, right? :-) | 16:57 |
| seb128 | thanks | 16:57 |
| mvo | thanks everyone! | 16:57 |
| kristbaum | dholbach: absolutly :D | 16:57 |
| zyga | if anyone has extra questions feel free to ping us now | 16:57 |
| zyga | we'll do our best to answer | 16:57 |
| CoderEurope | http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1611/2016-11-15/ | 16:57 |
| dholbach | thanks zyga, thanks mvo | 16:57 |
| dholbach | you are heroes! | 16:57 |
| mhall119 | lunch time! | 16:57 |
| dholbach | dinner time! | 16:58 |
| mvo | yummy dinner | 16:58 |
| kristbaum | hammer time? | 16:58 |
| dholbach | haha | 16:58 |
| dholbach | it's always hammer time :) | 16:58 |
| mhall119 | lol | 17:00 |
| CoderEurope | the " titanic quarter " snooker is going well :) | 17:04 |
| CoderEurope | https://redd.it/55usz5 calming music <3 | 17:21 |
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