[09:32] <zulfi> hi, any talk
[14:52] <CoderEurope> mhall119: o/
[14:52] <mhall119> o/
[14:52]  * CoderEurope sips his black coffee ..
[14:52]  * mhall119 refills his
[14:53] <didrocks> o/
[14:57] <CoderEurope> 2 minutes to go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YnUbJa-ISs
[14:59] <CoderEurope> dholbach: good luck :) 10 seconds to go ..
[15:00] <dholbach> sorry, I'm having some difficulties - give me another 2 mins
[15:02] <CoderEurope> 2nd video that is 2 minutes late today :(
[15:04] <dholbach> sorry
[15:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[15:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> no video
[15:05] <dholbach> it it working now?
[15:05] <dholbach> maybe you need to reload the page?
[15:05] <LarreaMikel> yep
[15:05] <LarreaMikel> reload and it works
[15:06] <kristbaum_> Jep, working ;)
[15:06] <didrocks> o/
[15:07] <mhall119> dholbach: we see it
[15:07] <kristbaum_> didrocks: Get well soon
[15:07] <didrocks> thanks kristbaum_ :) I can still type though and help answering questions :)
[15:09] <CoderEurope> finished my cigar - bender came back to this: http://archive.is/jHWmf
[15:11] <mhall119> CoderEurope: try reloading http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1611/meeting/22712/creating-your-first-snap/
[15:11] <mhall119> there's a new video link I think
[15:11] <LarreaMikel> this first snap will be for PC, rp2...
[15:12] <CoderEurope> Ahh .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RgmpLdxxIA
[15:12] <mhall119> LarreaMikel: it'll be for whatever CPU architecture he builds it on
[15:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> back
[15:13] <LarreaMikel> mhall119: thanks
[15:14] <mhall119> LarreaMikel: other that architecture, snaps don't know or care about where they are run
[15:16] <CoderEurope> QUESTION: How do we get 'atril' into a snappy package ? Could you take us through it ? https://redd.it/5cylzt
[15:17] <didrocks> CoderEurope: you will have after this basic usage some examples on how to create a snap package, so you can jump in and try to create it :)
[15:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> QUESTION:  Why make a snap ?
[15:18] <Thibran> QUESTION: Will it be possible to create Snaps on 14.04 using snapcraft, containing .deb packages from Ubuntu 14.04 archive?
[15:19] <kristbaum> QUESTION: Are snaps automatically updated by default? If yes where can one configure the update-frequency?
[15:20] <LarreaMikel> mhall119: yes, but it is not the same to create a snap for PC or RP2  (or am I wrong?). I mean, that in order to create a snap for RP2, you can't create it form a PC
[15:20] <mhall119> LarreaMikel: correct, you either need an ARM device like the RP2 to build it on, or a virtual machine that emulates ARM
[15:21] <LarreaMikel> mhall119: thank you.
[15:21] <kristbaum> mhall119: if you build your snap on launchpad, will it be ARM too?
[15:22] <didrocks> kristbaum: yes, you can choose which archs you are building your snap on with launchpad
[15:22] <kristbaum> \o/
[15:23] <mhall119> kristbaum: you can tell Launchpad to use an ARM builder, yes
[15:23] <didrocks> Thibran: you need to ping sergiusens on #snappy
[15:23] <didrocks> or here :)
[15:23] <didrocks> (but please move the discussion there)
[15:24] <CoderEurope> QUESTION: Could you give us an example of the snap you've done - about its confinements ?
[15:26] <kristbaum> didrocks: what is the default update-polling rate for snapd, and where can one adjust it?
[15:28] <didrocks> kristbaum: IIRC, at least once a day, and then, some checks are done each time you are hitting the store with a snap command
[15:29]  * CoderEurope has orange bits in his gnashers :(
[15:29] <diddledan> vim working well for dholbach there :-D
[15:30] <kristbaum> don't distract poor dholbach ;)
[15:31] <diddledan> sorry :-p
[15:31] <sergiusens> didrocks we prefer rocket chat these days ;-)
[15:32] <seb128> because we didn't have enough different tools to communicate
[15:32] <didrocks> sergiusens: seems people are on IRC currently ;)
[15:33] <seb128> sergiusens, is that new chat thing described/referenced anywhere?
[15:33] <seb128> or is that just a way to hide from users? :p
[15:35] <CoderEurope> the sound is blanking out, on and off intermittently :( grumbles.
[15:35] <didrocks> CoderEurope: when dholbach is typing, correct
[15:35] <didrocks> but he doesn't talk by then
[15:36] <sergiusens> seb128 on every snapcraft release since this month sent to snapcraft-announce
[15:37] <seb128> sergiusens, you might want to put it in the topic of the #snappy channel?
[15:37] <sergiusens> seb128 I am not admin but let me see who is
[15:37] <seb128> sergiusens, well if you are trying to drive people off IRC...
[15:38]  * CoderEurope turns the office fan up. and has some juice.
[15:41] <CoderEurope> QUESTION: Can you use tar zip files instead of tarballs for source files ?
[15:41] <elopio> CoderEurope: if you want to give a try at snapping atril, you can join the #snappy channel on IRC, or #snapcraft in rocket.ubuntu.com. We can help you there.
[15:42] <didrocks> CoderEurope: yes!
[15:42] <CoderEurope> elopio: I dont have the technology-laptop to do that.
[15:45] <elopio> CoderEurope: I'm not sure what you are missing, but there are plenty of ways to get something running.
[15:45] <elopio> we could even steal some resources from the lxd demo ^_^
[15:47] <Skuggen> Is there a difference between --dangerous and --force-dangerous?
[15:48] <didrocks> Skuggen: --force-dangerous was the old name for --dangerous
[15:48] <Skuggen> Ah
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[15:49] <elopio> dholbach: it's an autotools snap, shouldn't be too hard. But it might need to snap the mate libraries first.
[15:50] <kristbaum> QUESTION: what if a buld proccess expects you to run a shellscript in advance, to set up workspaces?
[15:50] <didrocks> dholbach: ^
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[15:50] <didrocks> kristbaum: I would go with a custom snapcraft plugin
[15:50] <CoderEurope> QUESTION: What other kind of config flags are there ? IDKnow what a config flag is ?
[15:51] <sergiusens> kristbaum coming in snapcraft 2.23
[15:51] <sergiusens> dholbach ^
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[15:51] <kristbaum> Uhh, cool :)
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[15:53] <CoderEurope> dholbach: I have a last question for you ...
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[15:54] <kristbaum> serguisens: when can we expect 2.23? ^^
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[15:54] <didrocks> thanks a lot dholbach!
[15:54] <dholbach> thanks everyone
[15:54] <dholbach> on to the next session
[15:55] <seb128> thanks dholbach!
[15:55] <elopio> thank you dholbach !
[15:55] <LarreaMikel> thank you dholbach
[15:55] <kristbaum> Good Job dholbach!
[15:59] <CoderEurope> Hiya Chloe !
[16:00] <CoderEurope> Is this the stream ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ocb8hPYhQwM
[16:01] <kristbaum> CoderEurope: yes
[16:01] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Hello :3
[16:02] <kristbaum> It's on!!
[16:02] <ChloeWolfieGirl> It is :3
[16:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> HI
[16:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and oh ChloeWolfieGirl is here
[16:04] <dholbach> if you have questions, please ask!
[16:04] <dholbach> make sure you prefix them with QUESTION: so I can more easily pick them up
[16:04] <dholbach> and ask the guys :)
[16:04] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Yes I am SebthreeBQM10HD
[16:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ChloeWolfieGirl,  have you turned into a snap?
[16:05] <ChloeWolfieGirl> SebthreeBQM10HD: I wish x'D
[16:05] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: What are the plans with Snap and the Phone?
[16:06] <kristbaum> QUESTION: How does Ubuntu Core handle graphical apps? Does ist bring an XServer ind the Snap, can it handle Mir?
[16:07] <LarreaMikel> QUESTION: Is there any plan for real time features in Ubuntu Core?
[16:07] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: I know Ubuntu personal is something snappy, is that full snap, can it be installed on any hardware like normal ubuntu and will we be able to install none-snaps on personal?
[16:07] <kristbaum> QUESTION: If an update breaks something, are there plans to build in error detection, and revert the update automatically?
[16:08] <CoderEurope> QUESTION: Does it " take a village" to build an Snappy App for Ubuntu Cloud ? #random question.
[16:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> QUESTION; When is Ubuntu personal going to be pretty much ready, do you expect ?  ready as in quite useable and on computer, phone, tablet etc ?
[16:08] <kristbaum> QUESTION: has Snappy Interfaces for Serial, SPI, I2C?
[16:09] <kristbaum> QUESTION: Could you snap an app that uses bashscripts?
[16:10] <didrocks> kristbaum: there are some interfaces for GPI, I2C, but you need to modify your question in "when are they going to ship in device images"
[16:11] <mhall119> QUESTION: Can you give an ETA for snap support on 14.04, Debian, Fedora and CentOS?
[16:11] <CoderEurope> QUESTION: Is torbrowser and IceCat browser as a snappy app in the ubuntu store ?
[16:12] <sergiusens> kristbaum you can  do mir on core https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/mir-snaps/
[16:13] <CoderEurope> QUESTION: Are there less that 600 snaps in the Ubuntu Store ?
[16:13] <sergiusens> kristbaum about auto roll back; health checks are planned
[16:13] <sergiusens> mvo ^
[16:13] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: What would you like to see snapped?
[16:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> QUESTION: When do you think that most Ubuntu users will be using a snap based version of Ubuntu, instead of a Deb based version ?
[16:14] <Skuggen> I was surprised at how small the MySQL snap ended up being, actually: 18mb
[16:14] <kristbaum> thanks didrocks and sergiusens
[16:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> QUESTION; What about the size issue for snaps, some snaps can be many gbs it seems, any way to make things smaller ?
[16:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> QUESTION;  How are snaps going to work, on say Ubuntu tablet, that only has like 16gb of space, if most of them are massive ?
[16:15] <kristbaum> QUESION: when will the announced Firefox snap come?
[16:16] <mhall119> SebthreeBQM10HD: ubuntu-app-platform is a content-sharing snap that provides something similary to click frameworks, so snap apps on the phone/tablet will be about the same size as their click version
[16:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> QUESTION;  Debian and Fedora will also support snaps it seems ok,  but why should all those various other distros as well?  Plus doesn't GNOME have something similar ?
[16:16] <kristbaum> QUESTION: Are there plans to ship some apps in Ubuntu 17.04 as snaps by default? like e.g Firefox, Libreoffice, kernel?
[16:16] <CoderEurope> QUESTION: Can you specific a Free Document licence in the Snap configs ?
[16:19] <CoderEurope> QUESTION: Does snapcraft have a tweet address ?
[16:21] <mhall119> @snapcraftio
[16:23] <CoderEurope> QUESTION: Monetizing: How does that work in private non-Canonical stores ?
[16:26] <CoderEurope> QUESTION: Can we expect to see btc (bitcoin) used in the money-participation of paying for Ubuntu Snaps from the Canonical store, if not elsewhere ?
[16:31] <ChloeWolfieGirl> CoderEurope: +1 I'd like to buy snappy apps with btc
[16:31] <flexiondotorg> QUESTION: If someone is planning to write an Interface, should they wait for the refactoring you mentioned?
[16:32] <popey> Oooh, good question flexiondotorg :)
[16:32] <CoderEurope> QUESTION: if Pixel ( the raspberry pi Foundation's desktop lxde environment hot newness ) could be put into a Snap, what limits are there in terms of repository locations, would there be for developers ?
[16:33] <flexiondotorg> CoderEurope, The Raspbian kernel doesn't have AppArmor. So snaps aren't possible.
[16:34] <CoderEurope> right-oh
[16:36] <Skuggen> Would be nice to have a way to search in edge/beta as well
[16:36] <sergiusens> mvo darktable is there, well darktable-kyrofa
[16:36] <mvo> sergiusens: \o/
[16:39] <CoderEurope> dholbach: a_lot of questions left -over so far :)
[16:41] <dholbach> CoderEurope, wihch one?
[16:41] <dholbach> I'm going top to bottom :)
[16:41] <CoderEurope> not one in particular - just a_lot to go with the time available (1hour).
[16:45] <dholbach> ok :)
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[16:51] <jrwren> zyga: great explaination. One of best I've ever heard for snaps for common desktop/server use.
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[16:53] <CoderEurope> dholbach: My question about the license used in the Snap was - do you 'specify' that in the snap or elsewhere, if so where & how do you check what license is used in the snappy app ?
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[16:54] <Skuggen> CoderEurope: You could specify in the snapcraft file (but that's deprecated, I think), and when uploading to the store
[16:54] <Skuggen> s/uploading/publishing
[16:54] <flexiondotorg> zyga, Thanks!
[16:54] <CoderEurope> Skuggen: right-oh
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[16:55] <mhall119> great session, thanks for all the answers zyga and mvo
[16:55] <Skuggen> Thanks, all :)
[16:55] <LarreaMikel> Thank you guys ;)
[16:56] <CoderEurope> Thanks guys !
[16:56] <flexiondotorg> zyga, mvo dholbach Thanks for the session.
[16:56] <zyga> thank you everyone
[16:57] <dholbach> thanks everyone!
[16:57] <dholbach> that should be quite a bit of information to digest, right? :-)
[16:57] <seb128> thanks
[16:57] <mvo> thanks everyone!
[16:57] <kristbaum> dholbach: absolutly :D
[16:57] <zyga> if anyone has extra questions feel free to ping us now
[16:57] <zyga> we'll do our best to answer
[16:57] <CoderEurope> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1611/2016-11-15/
[16:57] <dholbach> thanks zyga, thanks mvo
[16:57] <dholbach> you are heroes!
[16:57] <mhall119> lunch time!
[16:58] <dholbach> dinner time!
[16:58] <mvo> yummy dinner
[16:58] <kristbaum> hammer time?
[16:58] <dholbach> haha
[16:58] <dholbach> it's always hammer time :)
[17:00] <mhall119> lol
[17:04] <CoderEurope> the " titanic quarter " snooker is going well :)
[17:21] <CoderEurope> https://redd.it/55usz5 calming music <3