| tsimonq2 | wxl: Yep. XD | 01:48 |
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| wxl | did anyone go to the uos session on i386/ppc? i couldn't make it | 16:59 |
| lynorian | wxl I did | 17:07 |
| lynorian | One big problem for i386 is people saying firefox support will dropped for i386 in the 18.04 support timeline | 17:07 |
| lynorian | nto sure about qupzilla i386 support | 17:07 |
| lynorian | I did find out qupzilla works well on powerpc | 17:07 |
| lynorian | They are doubtful 18.04 will have powerpc support and they claim that lack of upstream is a really big problem | 17:08 |
| lynorian | with X and stuff | 17:08 |
| lynorian | I asked for a link about the firefox 32 bit plans but I could not find it searching | 17:08 |
| lynorian | worried mainly about lack of web browser support is a main thing in the meeeting | 17:11 |
| wxl | lynorian: who brought up those concerns primarily? bdmurray? someone else on release team? | 18:33 |
| lynorian | dhobach I think was a lot of it | 18:35 |
| lynorian | and pitti worried about maintence load and stuff | 18:37 |
| lynorian | wxl I don't think bdmurray was there | 18:38 |
| wxl | oh weird it was his thing | 18:38 |
| wxl | i'd be a little less concerned about dholbach than pitti | 18:38 |
| lynorian | and flexiondotorg was there for part of it | 18:39 |
| wxl | did he have anything to say in favor of i386? | 18:39 |
| * flexiondotorg is here | 18:39 | |
| wxl | oh hai :) | 18:39 |
| wxl | your 2ยข then? | 18:40 |
| flexiondotorg | Just reading the back log. | 18:40 |
| flexiondotorg | i386 was not discussed much. lynorian has summarised it well. | 18:41 |
| lynorian | yeah there were hangout problems at the begginng | 18:42 |
| flexiondotorg | I was in the IRC from the begining. | 18:42 |
| wxl | i see | 18:42 |
| flexiondotorg | And there was several mentioned of Lubuntu and Ubuntu MATE. | 18:42 |
| wxl | honestly, and i'm sure this will disappoint you, flexiondotorg, but i'm ready to let ppc go | 18:42 |
| wxl | but i have great concerns about i386 | 18:42 |
| flexiondotorg | Some random was speaking for both projects, and I decided to join the Hangout. | 18:42 |
| flexiondotorg | wxl, I am ready to let it go to. | 18:43 |
| flexiondotorg | wxl, We should jump together. | 18:43 |
| * wxl agrees | 18:43 | |
| flexiondotorg | Well, that was easy. | 18:43 |
| wxl | :) | 18:43 |
| flexiondotorg | For what release? | 18:43 |
| wxl | well we have to support the LTSs | 18:43 |
| wxl | so when 16.04 is done | 18:43 |
| flexiondotorg | So we could drop it from 17.04? | 18:44 |
| wxl | i made a decision a while back to support PPC only on LTSs | 18:44 |
| lynorian | Yeah it has been really hard getting Powerpc bugs fixed was a main thing discussed | 18:44 |
| flexiondotorg | lynorian, Indeed. | 18:44 |
| flexiondotorg | wxl, So you haven't released PowerPC for 16.10? | 18:44 |
| lynorian | no we did not | 18:45 |
| wxl | flexiondotorg: correct | 18:45 |
| flexiondotorg | Interesting. | 18:45 |
| flexiondotorg | And it sounds like you will not release an 18.04 or PowerPC? | 18:45 |
| wxl | correct | 18:45 |
| flexiondotorg | So Lubuntu have effectively made their last PowerPC release then. | 18:46 |
| flexiondotorg | I think there is more value in focus in arm devices that PowerPC. | 18:46 |
| flexiondotorg | *than | 18:46 |
| wxl | flexiondotorg: that was my hope. i've discussed it in the past. | 18:46 |
| wxl | flexiondotorg: the thing that really needed to happen was something upstream. with debian removing it as a release architecture, that kind of seals the deal. | 18:47 |
| lynorian | The firefox dropping all i386 could be a big problem | 18:47 |
| wxl | yeah i agree | 18:47 |
| wxl | that's an issue | 18:47 |
| wxl | there's no i386 chrome | 18:47 |
| lynorian | I wonder how long qupzilla will still work for i386 | 18:47 |
| lynorian | but that will be once we switch to lxqt | 18:48 |
| wxl | chromium is still i386 tho right? | 18:48 |
| flexiondotorg | wxl So shall we draft an announcement that Lubuntu and Ubuntu MATE are going to drop PowerPC support? | 18:48 |
| wxl | flexiondotorg: i think so. i'll run it past julien and make sure he's on board and then we'll do it | 18:48 |
| wxl | flexiondotorg: if we can get it in before this cycle really starts that will save you guys some effort/time | 18:48 |
| flexiondotorg | wxl, Do you want to put out more-or-less the same words? | 18:49 |
| wxl | flexiondotorg: i would say so | 18:49 |
| flexiondotorg | Yes, need to do it before the first Alphas. | 18:49 |
| flexiondotorg | OK. | 18:50 |
| wxl | seems chromium is targeted specifically at amd64 https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/quick-start-guide | 18:50 |
| flexiondotorg | I'll draft something and share it with you guys. | 18:50 |
| flexiondotorg | wxl, Although also had some armhf love. | 18:50 |
| wxl | niiice | 18:50 |
| wxl | oh derp that's chromium-os | 18:51 |
| flexiondotorg | wxl, Should we run this by the Tech Board? | 18:51 |
| wxl | flexiondotorg: might not be a terrible idea. i doubt they'll have anything to say. | 18:52 |
| flexiondotorg | I think they will be fine with it. | 18:52 |
| flexiondotorg | They did say it was the flavour leads decision. | 18:53 |
| lynorian | yes that is what I remember as well | 18:53 |
| wxl | !info chromium-browser zesty | 18:59 |
| ubot93 | chromium-browser (source: chromium-browser): Chromium web browser, open-source version of Chrome. In component universe, is optional. Version 53.0.2785.143-0ubuntu1.1307 (zesty), package size 59713 kB, installed size 231165 kB | 18:59 |
| wxl | so https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/docs/linux_build_instructions.md makes it clear that current development of chromium has removed support for i386 | 19:03 |
| wxl | that said, we may be out of a browser | 19:04 |
| wxl | it will be interesting to see if firefox is dropping i386 support or if gecko/spidermonkey are dropping i386 support | 19:07 |
| wxl | or maybe more generally the whole mozilla application framework | 19:08 |
| lynorian | Well I don't know about qupzilla | 19:08 |
| lynorian | but I am a bit biased in liking qupzilla | 19:09 |
| wxl | it uses qtwebengine | 19:09 |
| lynorian | does that mean no i386? | 19:09 |
| lynorian | their is a current i386 package in repos | 19:09 |
| wxl | no it means my question is irrelevant to qupzilla :) | 19:10 |
| lynorian | ugh is there no i386 qtwebengine | 19:10 |
| wxl | well | 19:11 |
| wxl | that's based on the wikipedia page | 19:11 |
| wxl | might be wrong | 19:11 |
| wxl | libqtwebkit | 19:11 |
| lynorian | well the new version uses qtwebengine which is not in the repos yet | 19:13 |
| wxl | oh? hm | 19:14 |
| lynorian | as latest is 1.8.9 | 19:18 |
| wxl | lynorian: could you follow up with qupzilla and see if you can figure out what their plans for support are? i'm work on firefox a bit | 19:18 |
| wxl | from what i can tell there's no discussion of dropping i386, but trying to code for specific cpu extensions that could remove a subset of old (and thus i386) cpus https://chuttenblog.wordpress.com/2016/02/10/sse2-support-in-firefox-users/ | 19:52 |
| wxl | !info firefox trusty | 19:53 |
| ubot93 | firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 49.0.2+build2-0ubuntu0.14.04.1 (trusty), package size 43371 kB, installed size 102113 kB | 19:53 |
| wxl | !info firefox precise | 19:53 |
| ubot93 | 'precise' is not a valid distribution: liquorix, partner, stable, testing, tor, trusty, trusty-backports, trusty-proposed, unstable, vanir, videolan, virtualbox, xenial, xenial-backports, xenial-proposed, yakkety, yakkety-backports, yakkety-proposed, zesty, zesty-backports, zesty-proposed | 19:53 |
| wxl | bah | 19:53 |
| wxl | what that article doesn't explain is that of all the linux versions of firefox reported, 41.3% are on i386 | 19:55 |
| wxl | so to remove i386 entirely would be actually very bad for them | 19:55 |
| wxl | that telemetry has been going since before precise | 19:56 |
| wxl | i.e. for our sake, it should be fairly accurate | 19:56 |
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