[01:48] <tsimonq2> wxl: Yep. XD
[16:59] <wxl> did anyone go to the uos session on i386/ppc? i couldn't make it
[17:07] <lynorian> wxl I did
[17:07] <lynorian> One big problem for i386 is people saying firefox support will dropped for i386 in the 18.04 support timeline
[17:07] <lynorian> nto sure about qupzilla i386 support
[17:07] <lynorian> I did find out qupzilla works well on powerpc
[17:08] <lynorian> They are doubtful 18.04 will have powerpc support and they claim that lack of upstream is a really big problem
[17:08] <lynorian> with X and stuff
[17:08] <lynorian> I asked for a link about the firefox 32 bit plans but I could not find it searching
[17:11] <lynorian> worried mainly about lack of web browser support is a main thing in the meeeting
[18:33] <wxl> lynorian: who brought up those concerns primarily? bdmurray? someone else on release team?
[18:35] <lynorian> dhobach I think was a lot of it
[18:37] <lynorian> and pitti worried about maintence load and stuff
[18:38] <lynorian> wxl I don't think bdmurray was there
[18:38] <wxl> oh weird it was his thing
[18:38] <wxl> i'd be a little less concerned about dholbach than pitti
[18:39] <lynorian> and flexiondotorg was there for part of it
[18:39] <wxl> did he have anything to say in favor of i386?
[18:39]  * flexiondotorg is here
[18:39] <wxl> oh hai :)
[18:40] <wxl> your 2¢ then?
[18:40] <flexiondotorg> Just reading the back log.
[18:41] <flexiondotorg> i386 was not discussed much. lynorian has summarised it well.
[18:42] <lynorian> yeah there were hangout problems at the begginng
[18:42] <flexiondotorg> I was in the IRC from the begining.
[18:42] <wxl> i see
[18:42] <flexiondotorg> And there was several mentioned of Lubuntu and Ubuntu MATE.
[18:42] <wxl> honestly, and i'm sure this will disappoint you, flexiondotorg, but i'm ready to let ppc go
[18:42] <wxl> but i have great concerns about i386
[18:42] <flexiondotorg> Some random was speaking for both projects, and I decided to join the Hangout.
[18:43] <flexiondotorg> wxl, I am ready to let it go to.
[18:43] <flexiondotorg> wxl, We should jump together.
[18:43]  * wxl agrees
[18:43] <flexiondotorg> Well, that was easy.
[18:43] <wxl> :)
[18:43] <flexiondotorg> For what release?
[18:43] <wxl> well we have to support the LTSs
[18:43] <wxl> so when 16.04 is done
[18:44] <flexiondotorg> So we could drop it from 17.04?
[18:44] <wxl> i made a decision a while back to support PPC only on LTSs
[18:44] <lynorian> Yeah it has been really hard getting Powerpc bugs fixed was a main thing discussed
[18:44] <flexiondotorg> lynorian, Indeed.
[18:44] <flexiondotorg> wxl, So you haven't released PowerPC for 16.10?
[18:45] <lynorian> no we did not
[18:45] <wxl> flexiondotorg: correct
[18:45] <flexiondotorg> Interesting.
[18:45] <flexiondotorg> And it sounds like you will not release an 18.04 or PowerPC?
[18:45] <wxl> correct
[18:46] <flexiondotorg> So Lubuntu have effectively made their last PowerPC release then.
[18:46] <flexiondotorg> I think there is more value in focus in arm devices that PowerPC.
[18:46] <flexiondotorg> *than
[18:46] <wxl> flexiondotorg: that was my hope. i've discussed it in the past.
[18:47] <wxl> flexiondotorg: the thing that really needed to happen was something upstream. with debian removing it as a release architecture, that kind of seals the deal.
[18:47] <lynorian> The firefox dropping all i386 could be a big problem
[18:47] <wxl> yeah i agree
[18:47] <wxl> that's an issue
[18:47] <wxl> there's no i386 chrome
[18:47] <lynorian> I wonder how long qupzilla will still work for i386
[18:48] <lynorian> but that will be once we switch to lxqt
[18:48] <wxl> chromium is still i386 tho right?
[18:48] <flexiondotorg> wxl So shall we draft an announcement that Lubuntu and Ubuntu MATE are going to drop PowerPC support?
[18:48] <wxl> flexiondotorg: i think so. i'll run it past julien and make sure he's on board and then we'll do it
[18:48] <wxl> flexiondotorg: if we can get it in before this cycle really starts that will save you guys some effort/time
[18:49] <flexiondotorg> wxl, Do you want to put out more-or-less the same words?
[18:49] <wxl> flexiondotorg: i would say so
[18:49] <flexiondotorg> Yes, need to do it before the first Alphas.
[18:50] <flexiondotorg> OK.
[18:50] <wxl> seems chromium is targeted specifically at amd64 https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/quick-start-guide
[18:50] <flexiondotorg> I'll draft something and share it with you guys.
[18:50] <flexiondotorg> wxl, Although also had some armhf love.
[18:50] <wxl> niiice
[18:51] <wxl> oh derp that's chromium-os
[18:51] <flexiondotorg> wxl, Should we run this by the Tech Board?
[18:52] <wxl> flexiondotorg: might not be a terrible idea. i doubt they'll have anything to say.
[18:52] <flexiondotorg> I think they will be fine with it.
[18:53] <flexiondotorg> They did say it was the flavour leads decision.
[18:53] <lynorian> yes that is what I remember as well
[18:59] <wxl> !info chromium-browser zesty
[18:59] <ubot93> chromium-browser (source: chromium-browser): Chromium web browser, open-source version of Chrome. In component universe, is optional. Version 53.0.2785.143-0ubuntu1.1307 (zesty), package size 59713 kB, installed size 231165 kB
[19:03] <wxl> so https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/docs/linux_build_instructions.md makes it clear that current development of chromium has removed support for i386
[19:04] <wxl> that said, we may be out of a browser
[19:07] <wxl> it will be interesting to see if firefox is dropping i386 support or if gecko/spidermonkey are dropping i386 support
[19:08] <wxl> or maybe more generally the whole mozilla application framework
[19:08] <lynorian> Well I don't know about qupzilla
[19:09] <lynorian> but I am a bit biased in liking qupzilla
[19:09] <wxl> it uses qtwebengine
[19:09] <lynorian> does that mean no i386?
[19:09] <lynorian> their is a current i386 package in repos
[19:10] <wxl> no it means my question is irrelevant to qupzilla :)
[19:10] <lynorian> ugh is there no i386 qtwebengine
[19:11] <wxl> well
[19:11] <wxl> that's based on the wikipedia page
[19:11] <wxl> might be wrong
[19:11] <wxl> libqtwebkit
[19:13] <lynorian> well the new version uses qtwebengine which is not in the repos yet
[19:14] <wxl> oh? hm
[19:18] <lynorian> as latest is 1.8.9
[19:18] <wxl> lynorian: could you follow up with qupzilla and see if you can figure out what their plans for support are? i'm work on firefox a bit
[19:52] <wxl> from what i can tell there's no discussion of dropping i386, but trying to code for specific cpu extensions that could remove a subset of old (and thus i386) cpus https://chuttenblog.wordpress.com/2016/02/10/sse2-support-in-firefox-users/
[19:53] <wxl> !info firefox trusty
[19:53] <ubot93> firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 49.0.2+build2-0ubuntu0.14.04.1 (trusty), package size 43371 kB, installed size 102113 kB
[19:53] <wxl> !info firefox precise
[19:53] <ubot93> 'precise' is not a valid distribution: liquorix, partner, stable, testing, tor, trusty, trusty-backports, trusty-proposed, unstable, vanir, videolan, virtualbox, xenial, xenial-backports, xenial-proposed, yakkety, yakkety-backports, yakkety-proposed, zesty, zesty-backports, zesty-proposed
[19:53] <wxl> bah
[19:55] <wxl> what that article doesn't explain is that of all the linux versions of firefox reported, 41.3% are on i386
[19:55] <wxl> so to remove i386 entirely would be actually very bad for them
[19:56] <wxl> that telemetry has been going since before precise
[19:56] <wxl> i.e. for our sake, it should be fairly accurate