[08:12] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:16] <MoBeats> morning
[08:21] <brobostigon> morning MoBeats
[08:41] <knightwise> Heya Geekz
[08:49] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[09:16] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:41] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Friday, and happy GIS Day! 😃  🌍 🛰
[09:53] <foobarry> daughter was coughing all night. had me up since 4. want my bed
[10:43] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVuuatjHGnY got you covered
[10:56] <awilkins> Is there a way to get the duplicity command that Deja-Dup will use without running it?
[10:57] <awilkins> Scenario: supporting mom's PC remotely. Need to run a backup, can't run Deja-Dup over X tunnel because it needs dbus as well
[11:03] <davmor2> JamesTait: that one do you I'm obviously assuming her baby didn't have location turned on ;)
[11:04] <JamesTait> davmor2, it's buzzing around my head now, so I think that's a yes. 😉
[11:05] <davmor2> awilkins: is your mom on an ubuntu system?
[11:06] <davmor2> awilkins: if so then deja-dup will backup on a schedule to a remote location you would just need to setup the remote location to mount on boot and done
[11:21] <awilkins> davmor2, It needs you to log into an X session for it to work
[11:21] <awilkins> Her X is broke
[11:21] <awilkins> So I'm doing a backup before I upgrade her to 16.10 and hope it fixes things
[11:22] <awilkins> She's 250 miles away so it's a bit of a trek to provide maternal tech support in person :-)
[11:29] <davmor2> awilkins: deja-dup I thought could be run from cli too
[11:30] <davmor2> awilkins: http://askubuntu.com/questions/636264/how-to-make-a-backup-with-deja-dup-from-command-line
[11:31] <awilkins> You can start it from the command line but it still raises a GUI and wants dbus as well
[11:31] <awilkins> I fixed the GUI thing by tunneling X back here, but if I tunnel dbus it's just going to read my config instead of hers
[11:32] <awilkins> Can you start dbus without X?
[11:32] <Laney> dbus-run-session cmd
[11:33] <awilkins> ta
[11:34] <awilkins> Failed to execute child process `duplicity`
[11:34] <awilkins> Would it hurt if the default backup system GUI depended on it's dependencies...
[11:35] <awilkins> No wonder her backup hasn't run in months...
[11:37] <awilkins> And python-gi ... *sigh*
[11:37] <awilkins> Remember this when I upgraded before... I guess there must be some flag that says "I've installed the deps!" in dega-dup
[11:38] <awilkins> Which persists in your home folder if you trash the OS and install again (with home on a separate partition like a sensible person...)
[11:41] <awilkins> At last, backup is cooking
[11:41] <awilkins> Huzzah
[11:42] <davmor2> awilkins: huzzah
[12:13] <foobarry> what does it mean when slack offers to import github girst image links?
[12:13] <foobarry> gist*
[12:13] <foobarry> s/image//
[12:14] <foobarry> try again: what does it mean when slack offers to import github gist links when you've pasted a url to a gist?
[12:14] <foobarry> i guess it would display in the channel?
[15:05] <diddledan> foobarry: I believe it shows in an embedded iframe
[15:17] <daftykins> http://gizmodo.com/apple-will-fix-touch-disease-on-your-iphone-for-just-1-1789113957
[15:18] <daftykins> lawsuit eventually resulted in a response there for the evil devices
[15:20] <daftykins> http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/graphic-card-issue-new-2016-15-bto.2015343/
[15:20] <daftykins> new macbooks are faulty already
[15:20] <daftykins> might just be drivers though, time'll tell
[15:20] <diddledan> the touchbar broke?
[15:20] <diddledan> oh gf
[15:20] <diddledan> gfx
[15:31] <daftykins> one site reviewer had one DOA too
[15:32] <daftykins> makes you wonder how many are like that of any other product line, since obviously it's just the vocal minority thus far
[15:45] <diddledan> interesting, pfsense and partner netgate have a new firewall hardware due based on an arm cpu: https://shop.amicatech.co.uk/shop/hardware/sg-1000-microfirewall/
[16:12] <daftykins> mmm ham and cheese panino, just what the doc ordered on a grey day
[16:13] <daftykins> diddledan: ouch at that cost
[16:18] <diddledan> daftykins: they do more expensive options :-p
[16:19] <daftykins> the multi core AMD x86 i got from linitx was about the same price with 3 interfaces and multiple mini PCIe slots for wifi and other cards
[16:19] <daftykins> which they finally have switched on down in Spain \o/
[16:23] <diddledan> one of these? https://linitx.com/product/linitx-apu-2c-3nicusbrtc-pfsense-embed-firewall-kit-black/14130
[16:48] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-uh1VPYEbE <-- about porn blocking
[16:48] <diddledan> it is, however unfortunately, safe to view at work or near the wife
[16:59] <daftykins> yep it was that device
[17:03] <diddledan> looks to be an amd jaguar embedded cpu
[17:03] <diddledan> https://pcengines.ch/apu2.htm
[17:04] <daftykins> yarr
[17:04] <diddledan> has aes-ni which is good for vpns
[17:04] <daftykins> i'm still waiting for the Spanish ISP to enable a port forward on the antenna, so i can remote into it
[17:04] <daftykins> it being that router box
[17:05] <diddledan> oh, it's a wireless network?
[17:05] <diddledan> all bets are off then :-p
[17:06] <daftykins> the ISP we chose yeah, because most places in his area don't even have phone lines
[17:06] <diddledan> dang. must be the middle of nowhereistan
[17:06] <daftykins> wow my memory has been shocking of late, totally forgotten the intel wireless tech that tried and failed to compete with 3G...
[17:06] <diddledan> o_O
[17:06] <daftykins> south coast of Spain, so all the infrastructure is akin to third worlds
[17:07] <diddledan> I think spain is pretty third-world everywhere
[17:07] <daftykins> WiMAX, that's the one
[17:07] <diddledan> aah yes
[17:07] <daftykins> so there's a big tower on the hill above his apartments area and he gets 20Mb down, 6Mb up on a funky seasonal rate for being a holiday-home type
[17:08] <diddledan> that's not bad speed for a wireless innernet
[17:08] <daftykins> it's kinda funny because the little pfsense box has managed to update the dynamic DNS hostname to the correct internet facing IP, but it seems the IP is held by the PoE dish on his wall - so you're still firewalled
[17:08] <diddledan> lol
[17:08] <diddledan> reverse tunnel :-p
[17:08] <diddledan> get the box to vpn or ssh to you
[17:09] <daftykins> but yeah just waiting for the guy to forward the port for the VPN setup i have on there all ready to go and i'll be sorted
[17:09] <diddledan> \o/
[17:09] <daftykins> box itself is already connected to my VPS in London, so once i can get in i can pick devices on the LAN that need to be British, then they'll have their traffic tunneled :D
[17:09] <diddledan> you gonna shove everything down the vpn so he gets a british geolocation?
[17:09] <daftykins> you guessed it! not everything though
[17:10] <daftykins> wonder if amazon have started to block VPS providers, netflix have of course
[17:23] <daftykins> hrmm Saturday is 'international games day'
[17:26] <davmor2> I wonder if with the new ip laws we can basically bring down all the isp's by all setting up spiders :D
[17:28] <davmor2> also everyone brace for isp price hike to pay for all that storage that will be required by law
[17:44] <diddledan> davmor2: I'm with a&a who have as a contract agreement that they cannot implement any king of monitoring like the IP thing requires without at least 1 year of written notice
[17:44] <diddledan> kind*
[17:45] <davmor2> diddledan: expect a letter anytime soon then ;)
[17:45] <diddledan> as in they must give me 1 year of notice before they're able to monitor my browsing habbits
[17:45] <daftykins> another sad example of democracy that that one is making it through, assuming the Queen ok's it
[17:45] <daftykins> glad it's not going to apply to me...
[17:45] <diddledan> daftykins: need a lodger?
[17:46] <daftykins> haha suuuure, but you have to get behind the queue of US folks wanting to escape here ;)
[17:46] <davmor2> daftykins: no gchq already has yours right :D
[17:47]  * diddledan starts using Tor
[17:47] <daftykins> i thought that has been widely regarded as unsafe anyway
[17:47] <zmoylan-pi> i'm sure the malware gchq can now use on your intel mangement engine renders that moot
[17:47] <diddledan> I wonder how it impacts people renting a VPS to act as VPN endpoint
[17:47] <daftykins> ME is only in business systems actually, chief
[17:48] <zmoylan-pi> you think gchq doesn't make money? :-)
[17:48] <daftykins> diddledan: hrmm suppose technically providers of VPS' may count as ISPs in a form
[17:49] <davmor2> diddledan: no use they are allowed to have anything unencrypted right :)
[18:44] <diddledan> wat http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/11/18/JS114056176_Theresa_May_Merkel-large_trans++Q7WNz19EjnCWyGlhqb7K13uxKb_1pKS244PZc2vSMHU.jpg
[18:44] <daftykins> perhaps it was an inuit greeting?
[18:46] <diddledan> I think it's "no, I love you more.."
[18:47] <zmoylan-pi> each finds the other's countries worries a great distraction for their own citizens
[18:48] <daftykins> anyone kicking some money to Mozilla now there's another fundraiser on? :)
[18:49] <diddledan> they're funkraising?
[18:49] <daftykins> https://donate.mozilla.org/
[18:49] <daftykins> 'tis on my startpage
[18:49] <diddledan> I should probably install firefox
[18:50] <zmoylan-pi> i still use it as main browser on my systems with more than 1gb of ram...
[18:50] <daftykins> it's always my main one :>
[19:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, ping
[20:34] <daftykins> http://www.library.gg/events/event/international-games-day o0
[21:27] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/Mattrudge/status/799617833147645952
[21:33] <daftykins> yeah, the 'edited' status does suggest a mistake
[21:37] <zmoylan-pi> then again as someone who has worked in i.t. i have had people ring me up and i have simply read out loud to them the email i sent them before they called me as my answer
[21:38] <daftykins> XD
[21:38] <daftykins> how do folks in the office combat colleagues ignoring their emails content? like the old classic of reading 1 of 3 things when all 3 need a reply
[21:39] <zmoylan-pi> at one point i got a pack of darts, printed off the emails and did a 'message for you' to wall beside their head...
[21:40] <daftykins> such tree murder!
[21:41] <zmoylan-pi> wasn't much fun for the walls either
[21:41] <daftykins> indeedy
[21:44] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: with LARTs
[21:44] <daftykins> you're awfully fond of those :)
[21:45] <daftykins> i think that's been the last 4 things you've said to me, MartijnVdS :D
[21:45] <MartijnVdS> 😏
[21:45] <zmoylan-pi> i think my personal best was leaving a birthday card on someones desk and a nice little multitool pressie stabbed through it into the desk quite deep... :-P
[21:47] <daftykins> i discovered ignoring a client asking a silly question doesn't result in them figuring it out, this week :<
[21:47] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, trying to ignore stupid people doesn't work when they are too stupid to realise they're been ignored...
[21:48] <daftykins> you've got to love the query...
[21:48] <zmoylan-pi> no, you really don't :-)
[21:48] <daftykins> first one: a forwarded email "renew your $software" - should i renew this!?
[21:49] <daftykins> second one: "i can't work out how to reduce the number of licenses!"
[21:58] <awilkins> daftykins, I took to putting an "executive summary" at the top of emails
[21:58] <awilkins> Not sure it actually did any good
[21:58] <daftykins> hehe
[21:58] <daftykins> i did find i was being unnecessarily wordy in the beginning
[21:58] <awilkins> Currently I is mostly hating... server-side validation using nodejs libs
[22:15] <diddledan> awilkins: fun
[22:16] <diddledan> nodejs is always interesting
[22:16] <diddledan> haha: https://twitter.com/luke_dot_js/status/799271787133403136
[22:18] <diddledan> nice startrek style dress: https://twitter.com/heruniverse/status/799737785762488320
[22:18] <daftykins> bit racey
[22:19] <zmoylan-pi> and not a red shirt... so they won't die on first away mission...
[22:19] <diddledan> it's engineering yellow, so she's an intellectual
[22:20] <zmoylan-pi> they don't die till the enterprise is under attack
[22:20] <diddledan> probably death by warp core breach
[22:20] <zmoylan-pi> on a first date
[22:20] <diddledan> or maybe hull rupture
[22:20] <zmoylan-pi> hull breech is defintely third date
[22:29] <zmoylan-pi> or maybe their samsung console going all explody in their face...
[22:36] <awilkins> She's not gonna be happy if you order her into a Jefferies Tube full of radiation though
[22:36] <daftykins> but that's the best kind!
[22:40] <daftykins> heh seems like amazon prime video is still down
[22:41] <diddledan> daftykins: probably due to the load of people trying to watch the grand tour?
[22:42] <daftykins> yeah, but then it was down yesterday too
[22:42] <daftykins> but i suppose that was all the discount rate signups too :>
[22:42] <diddledan> which then begs the question, if amazon can't handle the load of a single service that they run for themselves, how do companies expect them to handle the load of hundreds of other services via AWS too?!
[22:46] <diddledan> wtf? https://twitter.com/abc7newsbayarea/status/799717985078235137
[22:54] <zmoylan-pi> someone chucked a box of daz into a fountain?
[22:54] <zmoylan-pi> a bulk discount mother of all boxes box
[23:10] <diddledan> related: https://twitter.com/dakami/status/799751403547676672
[23:13] <daftykins> XD
[23:14] <daftykins> his sketch is quite generous