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tsimonq2Hai hai hai y'aaaaaaaaaaall02:15
* ahoneybun still wonders of fixing that other package...03:16
ahoneybunPS Vita software03:16
ahoneybunhttps://github.com/codestation/qcma03:17
eylulHi! I had a question concerning the ubuntu-side package of calligra. would this be a good place to ask this question? 14:03
BluesKajHiyas all14:20
taratorDid I already mention, that Kubuntu 16.04 is unusble? Kwin/Plasma/X11 crashes regularly and setting up a second screen doesn't work. This really makes this distribution unusable for endusers! Who decided to rollout this release? This is really a shame. 16.04 is the last version of (K)ubuntu which is landing on any of my computers. This is the worst version for years! Does anyone of the developers even use it for themselves?14:24
ahoneybuntarator: we did, for quite a while14:26
ahoneybunbut as any operating system we can't test every hardware setup14:26
ahoneybunalso if you have NVIDIA + Intel it is even more tricky at times14:27
taratorI'm using dual screens on 4 different machines 82 laptops with second screen, 2 desktop-pc's with two screens) none of them are working properly. The settings getting lost almost every second time... I tried to activate backports on one machine, but that also doesn't help!14:28
ahoneybuneylul: I think Calligra was blacklisted from the repos for a major bug14:28
ahoneybunonce that is fixed with an SRU then it will be back14:28
taratorYou can't tell me, that this works on your machines with out-of-the-box installations...14:28
ahoneybuntarator: I had a decent working machine tbh14:28
taratorahoneybun: this might be... but since Kubuntu changed to plasma 5 this distribution is unusable in my opinion. Ahhh... even when I think how often the Control-Bar disappears, I'm getting really angry!14:32
ahoneybunthe move to Plasma 5 has been bumpy but I think it really is nice in 16.04 +14:32
taratorsometimes I really think I'm using a different distribution! Plasma 5 is still extremely buggy! I'm really missing the latest version of plasma 4. they have been really good. The thing is with plasma 5, that t's really hard to find out what is the root of the problems, hence it's almost impossible for a everyday-user to fix them for myself. The COntrolbar and kscreen problems though are ocurring for a way too long time now! th14:36
tarator It's really no fun, when such crucial things are not working properly when you have to work with your computer.14:36
taratorAlso the support of GTK programs is horrible. Have you ever tried to use Eclipse in KDE? 14:36
ahoneybunI have not, but there really is nothing stopping someone from using them on any desktop14:37
DarinMillertarator: I just joined the converstaion.  Which version of kubuntu are you running?14:38
tarator16.0414:38
taratorone with backports, three without...14:38
DarinMillerBackports installed?14:38
taratoryes. But the problems are still there on the machine with backports...14:38
eylulahoneybun: I didn't realize that. My question was if there was any plans to switch the krita that is part of the calligra package to the current one. (Krita is about to hit 3.1, the one on calligra package is 2.9.11 I believe). (there also seems to be a krita package stuck on queue to debian experimental so quite confused on the status on things)14:39
ahoneybuneylul: well we pull most packages from debian so if it's stuck in sid then it might hit 17.0414:40
ahoneybuneylul: you are free to use the krita snap which is 3.114:40
ahoneybunsudo snap install krita14:40
taratorHowever: I'm done with kubuntu. This distribution really disappointed me. On my ext computer I'm changing. This is sad somehow since I'm using Kubuntu since 2007 but the last two years have really been exhausting....14:40
eylulahoneybun: yeah I don't know it has been stuck there for over a month at this point, and yeah I believe snap still has the nvidia bug?14:41
ahoneybuntarator: I can understand the pain about that, as we have been evolving internally14:41
ahoneybuneylul: I never hit that issue but I heard it was fixed14:41
eylulahoneybun: the bug says it was fixed, then the fix was reverted because it broke things worse? 14:42
ahoneybuneylul: tbh I've have not been up to date about the issue, but I did not hit it on my own NVIDIA hardware14:43
eylulI don't know the bug on launchpad might be out of date. We'll need to look into that. (I am not entirely certain if we can add a snap by default to the distro. *is still new to this*)14:43
ahoneybunbut your free to try it then uninstall it14:43
ahoneybuneylul: on any Ubuntu based distro you can add any snap14:43
eylulNo I mean if we can add it to the distro image14:43
ahoneybuneylul: oh and spin your own image you mean?14:44
* eylul should have probably mentioned she is asking this on behalf of the ubuntu studio team14:44
* eylul chuckles14:44
ahoneybunoh ok that makes since then14:45
eylul:D14:45
ahoneybuneylul: you can hope into #snappy maybe for that question14:45
eylulgood idea14:45
ahoneybunnot sure about making them default14:45
ahoneybunI'm sure it's possible as the ubuntu core is just snaps anyway14:46
eylulno idea either, will read up on it. as for the debian packages. so I guess you are not modifying the package from ubuntu side? (we saw the calligra package at a "ubuntu" suffix on end so)14:46
ahoneybuneylul: I see krita in xenial but not yakkety14:47
ahoneybunmm14:47
ahoneybunat 2.9.714:47
eylulyeah calligra package was removed at last second from yakkety, which meant no krita. 14:47
eylulI thought it was back through updates through14:47
ahoneybunI think it's still in the archive but just blacklisted14:48
eylulI see14:48
ahoneybunI see a bug report from a Ross about adding it back14:49
eylul*nods*14:49
ahoneybunhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-meta/+bug/163312914:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1633129 in ubuntustudio-meta (Ubuntu) "Add krita back to Graphics" [Undecided,Fix released]14:49
ahoneybunsays it can be added again which is weird14:49
eylulthat was more a reminder14:49
ahoneybuneylul: I would think it would make more sense to just push a 3.0.1 release out as well14:50
ahoneybunbut I'm not a MOTU14:50
eylul*nods* well14:50
eylulto do that krita 3.0.1 (or 3.1, or 3.0.2) needs to get into debian14:51
ahoneybunis there a bug report that is still open?14:51
eylulor if we can do it via snap - a bug report about which part?14:51
ahoneybunabout it not being in yakkety14:51
ahoneybundarn mhall119 is out of the country for UbuCon...14:52
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> We have new krita building on ou ci server afaik, but as you say it needs to get into debian 1st before we can run with it14:52
ahoneybunsgclark: doing well?14:52
ahoneybunI was thinking about that acheronuk14:52
ahoneybunwow clive really did delete everything on LP14:53
sgclarkok I guess, for early on a Saturday morning14:53
acheronukhttps://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+packages?field.name_filter=krita&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=14:53
acheronukahoneybun: yes, sadly he did14:54
ahoneybunsgclark: that's good14:54
ahoneybunacheronuk: I can understand why, the emails mostly all went to him if something broke from the PPAs14:54
eylulacheronuk ahoneybun: still new at this. what is kubuntu-ci if you don't mind me asking?14:54
ahoneybuneylul: it's a bot that builds our packages for us14:55
ahoneybunbasically14:55
eyluloh14:55
ahoneybunif you hang with us cool folks you'll see it post build reports ;)14:55
acheronukahoneybun: yep. wasn't criticising that decision. Just wish he had copied them somewhere else beforehand14:55
eylulah :D 14:56
acheronukeylul: continuous integration. builds the latest KDE stuff from source with our latest development packaging14:56
eylulah!14:57
ahoneybuneylul: seems like someone by sakrecoer was in here a few months ago about it14:57
eylulwe have been trying to sort this one out for a while now14:57
eylul(sakrecoer is our current team lead in ubuntustudio)14:57
acheronukeylul: means that when we are able to get new stuff into kubuntu/ubuntu, we are already well prepared for it14:58
acheronukin theory, anyway14:58
eylulI see!14:58
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> eylul: Tell sakrecoer I say hai. ;)14:58
ahoneybuneylul: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.yakkety14:58
eylulok. so basically right now the bottleneck is on debian end! (tsimonq2, I'll let him know :D)14:59
ahoneybunrecent fix was about krita14:59
ahoneybunoh right krita was breaking the live cds14:59
ahoneybundvds14:59
eylulahoneybun: yes we added it, then it went out of repo. :D and it could have came back in but that was literally the day of release.. so that actually MIGHT be the reason for blacklist (at least for US side of things)15:00
ahoneybuneylul: it was causing it for every flavor I thinkk15:00
eylulyep15:00
ahoneybunfirst let's see if it was just blacklisted15:01
ahoneybuntsimonq2: any where to go to ask about the archive?15:01
ahoneybunacheronuk: I see that clive is still in #ubuntu-release15:02
eylulI think independently, I'll have to go to debian kde packaging team to see if there is anything we can do to get the krita 3 package through15:04
acheronukhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/yakkety-updates/krita15:05
eylulunless I am mistaken?15:05
acheronukahoneybun: clive only bailed from kubuntu channels AFAIK15:05
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> Well if we absolutely can't get it in Debian, we need to hunt down a MOTU to upload15:06
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> Then it goes in the NEW queue15:06
eylulMOTU?15:06
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> Master Of The Universe15:06
ahoneybunwell it's back in 16.1015:06
ahoneybunyou can install it15:06
eylulahoneybun: I know. 15:06
eylultsimonq2: I assume you don't mean the debian new queue?15:07
ahoneybunso you need a way to update people to include it?15:07
* eylul is still trying to learn how the package path works15:07
acheronukupdate to the studio meta I would guess15:08
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> eylul: Ubuntu NEW queue. ;)15:08
eyluloh!15:09
* acheronuk goes for a snooze15:10
ahoneybunnight acheronuk15:10
eylulgnight acheronuk15:10
acheronuknot night. just a nap15:11
acheronuk:P15:11
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> I'm working for 6 hours today.15:11
ahoneybunacheronuk: backport-landing testing for 16.04?15:12
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> I start at 11 AM, get off of work at 5 PM15:12
acheronukahoneybun: I have been testing what is in the ppas ready to go in backports-landing. I am not found any showstoppers yet. so I guess we may do that in the next few days15:13
ahoneybunacheronuk: I'm setting up a VM for 16.04 atm so I can be ready15:14
eylulahoneybun and tsimonq2 thanks for all the help (also catches up with ubuntu-release information as well) I'll go bother debian people and keep you in the loop as well as to what I learn. (I'll also continue to lurk here for a while probably :D) 15:14
ahoneybun\o/ eylul15:14
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> OK. o/ :)15:14
ahoneybunfeel free to hang around15:15
eylul:)15:15
acheronukahoneybun: just had to backport appstream, packagekit and aptdaemnon for xenial to get plasma-discover in, which is my main doubt now about breaking other xenial stuff15:15
acheronukahoneybun: currently they are here: https://launchpad.net/~rikmills/+archive/ubuntu/staging115:16
ahoneybunacheronuk: how did you get discover to work without the new Qt and kirigami?15:16
acheronukahoneybun: those are only optionals in plasma 5.815:16
ahoneybunoh ?15:16
ahoneybunthe new Discover set kirigami as a hard dep no?15:17
ahoneybunsince it's UI is different15:17
acheronukahoneybun: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/293949945/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.plasma-discover_5.8.3-1ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa2_BUILDING.txt.gz15:18
ahoneybunwell then15:19
ahoneybunvery nice acheronuk15:19
acheronukwe can maybe add a kirigami based build later15:23
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> maybe15:23
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> but this update will be amazing15:23
tsimonq2Off to work o/16:22
acheronukhave fun16:24
acheronukwxl: simon was asking me about the timing for the creation of the kubuntu.org email aliases. the wiki says 48hrs, but mine took about 4 days and from a search, that does not seem untypical. so I guess if not sorted by say Tues, then ping ubuntu IS16:28
[Relic]What is the list of ppas needed to upgrade 16.10 to plasma 5.8.x; the normal "it is in backports" doesn't seem to work17:25
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> backport-landing but ATM you need the staging1 ppa from rikmills17:30
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> But still needs more testing17:30
[Relic]landing doesn't want to work (404 not found on binary-i386/packages) so guess no go on 5.8; didn't want to report a bug (with an older version 5.7.5) without knowing if it was fixed or not, and wanted to see if you could get 2 xscreens to work properly and independantly like they did up to 14.0417:37
Dr_Cokeis this the development room of kubuntu?17:48
acheronukahoneybun: at the moment they are not in landing yet, so that won't work17:54
DarinMillerDr_Coke: yes, this is kbuntu packagers hangout IRC17:56
Dr_Cokethanks DarinMiller18:03
Dr_CokeDo you guys develop ubuntu? or you just package ubuntu with kde? or what goes on?18:04
ahoneybunDr_Coke: we package up KDE software for Ubuntu and ship with Ubuntu package to make Kubuntu18:11
ahoneybunbasically18:11
Dr_Cokeoh thanks18:28
Dr_Cokehoneybun18:28
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> Np18:37
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ahoneybunacheronuk: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23502228/20:23
ahoneybundist-upgrade after the other updates20:23
ahoneybunjust posting just in case something happens20:24
acheronukthat is intended20:24
ahoneybunalright cool20:24
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ahoneybunacheronuk: that went flawlessly20:36
ahoneybunamzing20:36
acheronuk\o/20:36
ahoneybunlovely20:37
ahoneybunthe new login is awesome20:38
ahoneybunacheronuk: http://imgur.com/a/Gpd7t20:38
ahoneybunopps20:39
ahoneybunI mean even with the NVIDIA driver on and it worked perfectly20:42
acheronukgreat. that blue login screen is a bit of a shock if you haven’t seen it before20:44
ahoneybunyea lol20:44
ahoneybunall my apps have opened with no isses and internet works20:45
ahoneybunso +1 on my end lol20:45
acheronuk:)20:46
ahoneybunwow new discover too20:47
acheronukit still won't finf some things like VLC, but as far as I can tell that is more a problem with the the ubuntu appstream data being incomplete for some apps, rather than a fundamental discover problem20:49
ahoneybunI'mn trying to use the Now Planel20:51
ahoneybunDock panel20:51
acheronukthat work with plasma 5.8 now?20:54
ahoneybunit should20:54
ahoneybunI installed it just don't know how to make it20:55
acheronukconfusing as there is a plasmoid AND a panel21:02
ahoneybunI don't see the panel option21:05
ahoneybunohhh21:05
ahoneybunacheronuk: the plasmoid is for the settings21:05
acheronukahoneybun: you sure, because if I install the plasmoid from the store I get a freefloating plasmoid version. vs a panel which only docks at a screen edge21:10
IrcsomeBot<marcinsagol> 0221:17
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> I don't get anything21:18
acheronukahoneybun: what a faff. got it working. but it clearly needs a lot more work. I couldn't use it as it is21:42
valorieacheronuk: do we have testing needing done for 16.10? if so, what21:43
valorieI'm so tempted to upgrade to zesty21:44
acheronukvalorie: currently plasma 5.8.3 and FW 5.27 are in the staging ppas for zesty. to upgrade plasma though, you need to do a little juggling with the zesty -proposed archive repo21:46
valoriemaybe I should wait on zesty21:48
valorieanything to test for Yakkety?21:48
acheronukvalorie: ahoneybun just tested the potential yakkety backports of plasma and frameworks, and said it was 'flawless'21:50
valoriecool21:51
valorieso we have the new Qt ?21:51
acheronukppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-frameworks and ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma21:51
valorieI've been paying more attention to other stuff and not testing21:51
valorieexcellent21:52
acheronukvalorie: New Qt is not required for plasma 5.8. the 5.6.1 in Yakkety already is good enough21:52
valorieoh good21:52
acheronukIt's just Xenial that needs new Qt21:52
acheronukas that is stuck on 5.521:52
valorieupdating and full-upgrading now21:54
valoriethank you acheronuk!21:54
valorieand everyone else who made this possible21:54
[Relic]Any idea when plasma 5.8 would be available (as a package/backports)?22:21
valorieonce we get 1. uploaded to zesty22:22
valorie2 thoroughly tested22:22
* valorie is testing now!22:22
* acheronuk is testing22:24
* mamarley is also testing!22:33
valorieso far so good, mamarley?22:34
mamarleyYep, no problems so far. :)22:35
[Relic]I am just hoping it finally after a couple years abscence will allow me to have 2 seperate independant screens without too much work22:39
valorielatest plasma should do that for you22:42
[Relic]14.04 was so easy run nvidia-settings and done; have never been successful at doing that with kde5, or with anything to get that to happen22:43
valorieblame Qt 5 for being slow there22:44
[Relic]one screen over 2 monitors easy, but trying with 2 xscreens I can never seem to get seperate plasmashell (sddm, or whatever I need to pull it off) instance on each monitor22:46
valorieoh22:47
valorietwo sessions at the same time?22:47
valorieI've not heard of anyone doing that, but then....22:47
valoriedon't know everything22:47
[Relic]I don't know where to look to pull that off either; but that sounds correct, in 14.04 it was make 2 xscreens and 2 sessions would show up; figured that would have to be mandatory if someone used more than 2 monitors.  Just not sure if/how to pull it off on only 2 monitors22:48
valorieI would ask about that in #plasma during euro-work hours22:49
[Relic]none of the forums I have tried so far have had a decent answer and all the old stuff works on 4 but not necessarily 5.  Will try #plasma22:51
valoriesession management is a tough nut to crack22:51
valorienow that sessions are more complicated22:51
valorienot sure that Wayland will help with that, but maybe it will22:52
[Relic]Thanks for the info :)22:54
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valoriesuccessful reboot into my new plasma session23:57

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