[00:00] <luketheduke1> Would that be a good time for chroot?
[00:01] <Jordan_U> zanakyn: Is firefox already running on the remote machine, as the same user you're sshing as?
[00:01] <keviv> Ben64: I've thought of creating a temporary user on this system with the password I want, and then copy the hash over, but that seems kinda flawed
[00:01] <Ben64> keviv: mkpasswd
[00:01] <zanakyn> Jordan_U no its not. should it be?
[00:02] <Jordan_U> zanakyn: No, but if it were then trying to start it would likely open a new window in the existing instance, which would be displayed on the Desktop rather than the pi.
[00:03] <zanakyn> ah gotcha
[00:03] <Jordan_U> zanakyn: Does "firefox -no-xshm" allow it to start?
[00:04] <zanakyn> nada. same crash unfortunately
[00:04] <Jordan_U> zanakyn: Also, you may have to wait a *long* time for firefox to start when using ssh -x. The number of round trips needed for the X protocol can really slow down networked operation.
[00:05] <Jordan_U> zanakyn: Does it "crash" and exit, or just sit there still running?
[00:05] <zanakyn> its actually hitting a segmentation fault
[00:06] <zanakyn> no running instance from any previous attempts sitting around, according to htop
[00:10] <keviv> Ben64: oh thanks, that's great
[00:13] <keviv> Ben64: shenanigans. Just for kicks I tried the password I last remembered with the salt in /etc/shadow, and it produces the same hash...
[00:19] <sysop_rick> If i have a vmware host and one of my guest is setup to act as a caching bind internal dns server {on my lan network} would it also be advised, to setup the requirements to use samba 4 to act as NT4 - Windows DC?
[00:19] <Jordan_U> keviv: Your comment makes it sound like that is a bad thing, but that is exactly what you should expect.
[00:20] <sysop_rick> i mean, ofc the hardware could run it but what about upstream dns-servers would i need to replace thoose with the present ones in use?
[00:20] <sysop_rick> And other clients/devices within the network/lan, would i need to replace /etc/resolv.conf ?
[00:22] <lilred> does someone have a desktop installation of Ubuntu open nearby? I´m seeing some behavior that seems weird on my end, and I´m wondering if it´s normal
[00:22] <keviv> Jordan_U: well yeah it means that I actually *do* remember the password, but now I'm not sure why I can't log in with it
[00:23] <sysop_rick> Has anyone here setup Samba 4 to act as domain controller?
[00:23] <Jordan_U> keviv: Ahh. What happens when you try to login currently?
[00:24] <keviv> Jordan_U: using one of the ssh keys in authorized_keys, it fails authentication. Using the password, it fails after 3 attempts as usual
[00:24] <keviv> Jordan_U: this is all over ssh when I'm trying to log in
[00:25] <lilred> Basically: mouse scrolling inside the terminal is broken for me. I´ve tried capturing mouse scroll events, they get translated as middle-click presses. Can someone check this out for me? (open terminal, write echo -e \e[?1000h\e[?1006h, scroll, report back with what gets printed)
[00:26] <Jordan_U> keviv: Fails with what error message?
[00:30] <keviv> Jordan_U: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/Vfa7IWBJQylv3zYufveL/
[00:31] <sysop_rick> Has anyone setup Samba4 to act as NT4 Windows Domain controller?
[00:35] <Guy1524> hey guys, how do I install vulkan for a haswell graphics card (HD 4600) on ubuntu 16.04?
[00:56] <Jordan_U> Guy1524: Try asking in #ubuntu-x
[00:56] <Guy1524> ## or #?
[00:56] <Jordan_U> Guy1524: #
[00:56] <Guy1524> Jordan_U: ^
[00:57] <Guy1524> k thx
[00:57] <Jordan_U> Guy1524: You're welcome.
[00:58] <zwelch> how can i get a shell from the 16.04 desktop installer? ctrl-alt-Fx doesn't give me a login
[01:03] <jpX>  
[01:05] <Jordan_U> zwelch: If you haven't already started installing then I would recommend choosing the "try before installing" option. You can run any programs you want from a full Ubuntu desktop session, including the installer.
[01:07] <swampstump> hello
[01:08] <Bray90820> Do the daily builds of Zesty have an updated kernel or does it use the same one as 16.10?
[01:08] <swampstump> is there anybody who uses mainline 4.9 kernel on i386?
[01:10] <swampstump> I mean the one from kernel ppa
[01:12] <Jordan_U> Bray90820: #ubuntu+1 for Zesty.
[01:12] <Bray90820> Thanks
[01:14] <swampstump2> so maybe someone knows what's happening with mainline 4.9 kernel?
[01:14] <swampstump2> I'm getting mcount symbol version mismatch at boot
[01:28] <somaReverse> hi
[01:28] <somaReverse> why does ssh-copy-id
[01:28] <somaReverse> not work in ubuntu
[01:29] <Bray90820> So every time I try to load alsamixer on 16.10 it says can't load mixer no such file or directory
[01:29] <somaReverse> I have to type in my password every first time i login to remote ubuntu server
[01:29] <wedgie> somaReverse: the first time or every time?
[01:29] <tgm4883> somaReverse: it works here
[01:30] <wedgie> the first time may be the password to unlock your key locally. After that the unlocked key will (usually) be in your key agent
[01:32] <krytarik> Might be auto-login.
[01:32] <somaReverse> wedgie: what can I do?
[01:32] <somaReverse> centos server works just fine
[01:32] <wedgie> somaReverse: i'm still not sure I understand what the problem is.
[01:33] <wedgie> you do ''ssh-copy-id user@server'' and then what happens when you do ''ssh user@server'' ?
[01:34] <Akuw> i try to install using --->   sudo apt-get install qemu-kvm libvirt-bin ubuntu-vm-builder bridge-utils ia32-libs-multiarch
[01:34] <Akuw> but   ia32-libs-multiarch   is missing
[01:35] <somaReverse> wedgie: first time i need to input the password. then it works fine
[01:35] <somaReverse> wedgie: this is just like there is a key agent
[01:35] <tgm4883> Akuw: that package hasn't been in the repos for awhile
[01:36] <tgm4883> since before 14.04
[01:36] <Akuw> what can i do then to install qemu-kvm then?
[01:36] <tgm4883> Akuw: Stop following out of date guides?
[01:36] <wedgie> somaReverse: the first time is it asking for the server's password, or the passphrase for your key?
[01:37] <Akuw> following this   https://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2012/03/12/how-to-start-intel-hardware-assisted-virtualization-hypervisor-on-linux-to-speed-up-intel-android-x86-emulator
[01:37] <reisio> holy URI
[01:37] <tgm4883> Akuw: as I said, don't following guides that are out of date
[01:37] <reisio> holy old URI
[01:37] <reisio> ftfm
[01:37] <tgm4883> Akuw: that's over 4.5 years old
[01:38] <Akuw> i will install the -->  sudo apt-get install qemu-kvm
[01:38] <tgm4883> Akuw: for starters, you could just try to install the package
[01:38] <somaReverse> wedgie: server's password
[01:38] <Akuw> that should work for android studio
[01:38] <somaReverse> wedgie: I know it sounds weird. Isn't ssh-copy-id supposed to handle no-password login?
[01:39] <wedgie> somaReverse: no. ssh-copy-id copies your public key into the authorized_hosts file of the remote server. That allows you to use your ssh key to log into the remote server.
[01:39] <wedgie> your *key* may (and really really should) have a passphrase that locks it
[01:40] <wedgie> somaReverse: it sounds like the first time you are entering the passphrase for your *key* which is then added to your key agent and used to log into the remote server from then on
[01:40] <somaReverse> wedgie: no
[01:40] <somaReverse> I use the same public key to login other servers
[01:40] <somaReverse> and it works just fine
[01:41] <somaReverse> only Ubuntu 14 fails
[01:41] <tgm4883> somaReverse: you're logging into a ubuntu 14.04 server, or from a ubuntu 14.04 machine?
[01:41] <wedgie> somaReverse: can you pastebin a session showing this happening? Cause I feel like something is being overlooked here
[01:41] <somaReverse> tgm4883: into
[01:42] <somaReverse> wedgie: now it works fine. I don't know how to reproduce. Maybe I need to reboot and wait for a while
[01:42] <tgm4883> somaReverse: standard install, or is this some sort of cloud machine
[01:42] <somaReverse> tgm4883: standard
[01:42] <somaReverse> fresh install
[01:43] <tgm4883> somaReverse: Not sure then without seeing some logs. I can say that it works fine here, so what you are seeing isn't typical
[01:44] <Loshki> My chromium browser (Version 53.0.2785.143 Built on Ubuntu, running on Ubuntu 14.04 (64-bit)), has stopped rendering amazon.com pages properly. It *is* just me, right?
[01:44] <somaReverse> emacs 25.1 terminal mode also behaves abnormally on my Ubuntu 14.
[01:44] <reisio> abnormally?
[01:44] <reisio> Loshki: define not properly
[01:45] <somaReverse> anyone knows this error http://pastebin.com/p1VXPCmn ?
[01:46] <Loshki> reisio: mostly underlined text, images missing, partially formatted in sections.
[01:46] <somaReverse> I'm new to ubuntu and all this situations are very frustating. Is ubuntu not supposed to use as a headless remote server?
[01:48] <reisio> Loshki: just in chromium & not other browsers?
[01:50] <Loshki> reisio: just in chromium. I've been forced to use Firefox for pages that no longer render in Chromium. I assume that the reason only I am seeing this is due to some weirdness in my cache, or combination of plugins. Let me check the previous version, since this seemed to start with the last upgrade. Was there a big security issue with the last version?
[01:51] <reisio> Loshki: hrmm, is that the binary firefox built by Mozilla?
[01:53] <Loshki> Yes, Firefox 49.0.2 Mozilla firefox works. This is a vanilla 14.04.4 system, updated last week
[01:54] <Loshki> somaReverse: possible fix mentioned in https://github.com/company-mode/company-mode/issues/268
[01:54] <reisio> company-mode, heh
[02:00] <Loshki> reisio: sigh, reinstalled it, seems to have solved the problem. malware?
[02:00] <reisio> Loshki: heh, _extremely_, extremely unlikely
[02:01] <reisio> probably just good old fashioned imperfect QA
[02:01] <Loshki> reisio: I understand.
[02:01] <reisio> chromium is...
[02:01] <reisio> a beast, you don't want to know how long it takes to compile
[02:01] <reisio> or how many bits of google nonsense are surgically stripped from it so it isn't awful
[02:03] <Loshki> reisio: if there were something better...
[02:03] <somaReverse> Loshki: I saw this one. It's not related. Thanks
[02:04] <Loshki> somaReverse: drop back a version?
[02:05] <somaReverse> It's 25.1 . I cannot handle emamcs 24
[02:05] <reisio> Loshki: that is exactly the problem with all browsers, isn't it :p
[02:10] <Loshki> reisio: :-)
[02:11] <andy____> i have a dell latitude 530 and lubuntu on it
[02:12] <andy____> the display max resolution is 1400X1050
[02:12] <andy____> how do i know if that's the max resolution my laptop have or is it because of the drivers i have ?
[02:13] <reisio> andy____: dell.com
[02:14] <transhuman> hi! I am thinking this is a Ubuntu thing and Not a Hack. Please confirm. My nameserver is listed as 127.0.1.1 and nslookup shows it listening for dns on all ips at this address...whats this "feature called"?
[02:15] <transhuman> I expected it to list my default gateway as the dns ip but I am amazed to see it does not
[02:18] <peterrooney> transhuman: are you running local caching nameserver?
[02:21] <lordcirth> transhuman, https://xkcd.com/1180/
[02:23] <lordcirth> transhuman, resolvconf on Ubuntu does that by default
[02:26] <reisio> lordcirth: why know what the words you use mean, after all :p
[02:27] <lordcirth> reisio, ?
[02:27] <reisio> 'virus'
[02:27] <reisio> 'you' not 'you' :D
[02:27] <lordcirth> the principle is the same
[02:27] <reisio> yep
[02:28] <reisio> if they knew what 'virus' meant, then they wouldn't say such things
[02:32] <transhuman> thanks lordcirth
[02:34] <transhuman> lordcirth is the fix to leave it alone or is it to add a dns server on the gateway?
[02:35] <Random832> the intersection is probably a bit larger if you allow for "virus" to be a legitimate generic term for malware
[02:36] <Random832> the difference between a virus and a worm is mostly academic
[02:36] <reisio> ...
[02:36] <reisio> really isn't
[02:37] <reisio> but obviously everyone knows what someone clearly misusing the word 'virus' means when they misuse it
[02:37] <reisio> hence: comics
[02:37] <reisio> they never mean worm either, anyway
[02:37] <Random832> ok explain why melissa is a virus but iloveyou isn't
[02:38] <reisio> "Unlike a computer virus, it does not need to attach itself to an existing program." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_worm
[02:39] <Random832> so does reliance on exploits in existing programs (as opposed to doing what else exactly) to spread make something a virus rather than a worm? does using runtime shared libraries?
[02:39] <Random832> what about kernels - is any program *truly* standalone?
[02:41] <BitchMoney> Hello
[02:42] <reisio> sup BitchMoney
[02:42] <BitchMoney> How is everyone
[02:43] <reisio> Random832: doesn't matter, nobody ever means either a virus or a worm
[02:43] <reisio> they always mean stupid adware they installed on purpose :P
[02:43] <reisio> BitchMoney: eh... alright I guess :p you?
[02:43] <lordcirth> transhuman, it's normal, leave it
[02:44] <BitchMoney> Pretty good
[03:15] <Guestie> I am looking for free (preferably open-source) software that I can use for editting videos. I want to be able to do basic cutting, trimming, audio stuff, etc., but I want capabilities of picture-on-picture and blurring the videos.
[03:17] <Guestie> Anyone have any recommendations?
[03:20] <lordcirth> Guestie, kdenlive is popular
[03:20] <Guestie> lordcirth, I'm looking at OpenShot. Have any comments for that one?
[03:21] <lordcirth> Guestie, Don't know much about Openshot.
[03:23] <i_and_i> maybe you can do it with ffmpeg ?
[03:24] <reisio> you can do anything with ffmpeg, but it's obviously GUIless on its own
[03:25] <AlecTaylor> hi
[03:26] <AlecTaylor> Anyone here use Vagrant? - Can you give me your ``vagrant global-status --machine-readable` output?
[03:34] <JohnMcClain1> Need to pass file location as flag. The file is a file up in the directory. "..settings.txt" doesn't work. How should I do this?
[03:35] <lordcirth> JohnMcClain1, ../settings.txt
[03:44] <xJeremyCx> hey guys. Can you help me with this question? http://askubuntu.com/questions/850518/headphones-output-mono-audio
[03:44] <xJeremyCx> my pair of headphones isn't working fine
[03:44] <JohnMcClain1> lordcirth: thanks
[03:54] <Lope> gnome-terminal has the option --tab-with-profile=PROFILENAME where you can open a teminal with multiple tabs. But I don't see any option to run a command in the new tab? seems ridiculous?
[03:55] <Wirehunter> maybe pipe one to it?
[03:55] <Wirehunter> like echo "ls /" | gnome-terminal
[03:57] <wedgie> Lope: am i misunderstanding what the -e and -x options do?
[03:57] <hanish> hey after my last update of ubantu internet speed is too low
[03:58] <Lope> wedgie: thanks, oh wow, I didn't see the -e command
[03:58] <Lope> I don't have a -x in my versions man page.
[03:59] <xJeremyCx> http://askubuntu.com/questions/850518/headphones-output-mono-audio
[04:00] <Lope> wedgie: cool, it works! thanks
[04:01] <wedgie> np
[04:03] <Wirehunter> !patience | xJeremyCx
[04:04] <xJeremyCx> I tried the first and the last option, doesnt work
[04:04] <squarecircle> hello
[04:05] <squarecircle> is there a possibility to make some service that is available on my port 45454 available at port 22?
[04:05] <squarecircle> on the same machine?
[04:07] <lordcirth> squarecircle, do you need it to also remain available on 45454?
[04:08] <squarecircle> lordcirth: actually I'm trying to use the Port forward feature of vbox
[04:09] <squarecircle> but currently its neither running, nor allowing my to port forward onto any port <1024
[04:09] <lordcirth> squarecircle, so you want 45454 on the host to be 22 on the VM?
[04:09] <squarecircle> lordcirth: no, I want port 22 on the host to be port 22 of the vm
[04:10] <lordcirth> squarecircle, you don't want to be able to ssh to the host?
[04:10] <squarecircle> lordcirth: the host sshd already listens on some higher port
[04:10] <lordcirth> ah ok
[04:11] <squarecircle> lordcirth: I want a ssh based service encapsulated in a vm
[04:12] <lordcirth> squarecircle, are you sure you don't want to just use a bridged connection for VM?  would be simpler
[04:13] <squarecircle> lordcirth: yes, security and a too less IPs
[04:14] <lordcirth> squarecircle, well, I guess you could make an iptables rule on the host to redirect 22 to 45454, and then port-forward 45454 to 22
[04:17] <Lope> when I run `gnome-terminal --tab-with-profile=test -e abc` the new terminal can't find abc, where abc is a function defined in my ~/.bashrc. I've also tried running this with sudo, but it also doesn't run the ~/.bashrc file. `gnome-terminal --tab-with-profile=test -e "su -lc 'abc' bob"`
[04:20] <reisio> Lope: -e bash -c 'etc'
[04:21] <squarecircle> lordcirth: thank you
[04:21] <squarecircle> I'll take cate
[04:21] <Lope> reisio: It also doesn't work with bash: `gnome-terminal --tab-with-profile=test -e "bash -lc 'abc'"`.
[04:21] <squarecircle> I'm too tired right now :/
[04:22] <reisio> Lope: could always use a dedicated script for your function
[04:23] <Lope> hmm
[04:24] <Lope> -e '. ~/.bashrc; abc' failed to invoke . permission denied.
[04:24] <Lope> mayhbe that's why.
[04:24] <Lope> it's some kind of restricted bash.
[04:24] <reisio> Lope: it's not likely bash at all if you haven't called bash
[04:25] <Lope> oh yeah, that's true.
[04:25] <Lope> ah, got it working
[04:26] <Lope> -e 'bash -lc ". ~/.bashrc; abc"'
[04:26] <reisio> gj
[04:26] <Lope> thanks man, thanks for your help :D
[04:26] <reisio> would've thought -l would be enough
[04:27] <reisio> I'm sure #bash could explain it, if it's interesting enough to you
[04:27] <Lope> bash's quirks annoy me, so i'll pass :)
[04:27] <Lope> worst computer language ever invented.
[04:28] <Lope> IMHO :p
[04:28] <Lope> it's called bash because it makes you want to bash stuff.
[04:28] <Lope> that's the whole point of it. it's a troll language.
[04:29] <reisio> heh
[04:29] <reisio> bash is kinda great
[04:29] <reisio> probably the thing that annoys me the most about it is if fi case esac reversal stuff
[04:29] <reisio> that's just plain silly :p
[04:31] <Lope> Here's the (from root) version: -e "su -lc '. ~/.bashrc; abc' bob"
[04:31] <reisio> Lope: oh from root?
[04:31] <Lope> yeah
[04:31] <reisio> from root you'd want to specify the user
[04:32] <Lope> i did, bob
[04:32] <reisio> su - user -c etc
[04:32] <Lope> oh, I've been using a different su syntax.
[04:32] <Lope> But yours looks nicer.
[04:32] <Lope> with yours there's no need for quotes?
[04:33] <reisio> um
[04:33] <reisio> I would expect, with mine, there'd be no need to source ~/.bashrc
[04:33]  * reisio shrugs
[04:33] <Lope> one way to find out!
[04:33] <reisio> :p
[04:33] <reisio> oh wait is - just another name for -l? :p
[04:34] <reisio> how odd
[04:34] <Lope> no your version doesn't work.
[04:34] <reisio> it should work in general, I don't know about your with your function
[04:34] <reisio> but it's apparently the same as -l, so heh nevermind
[04:35] <Lope> i made this inspired by your syntax, but it didn't work: -e "su - bob -lc . ~/.bashrc; abc"
[04:35] <Lope> okay
[04:35] <hanish> guys could you explain what this means" Debian Avahi-daemon"
[04:36] <Lope> yeah I've come to my way of running su via sweat blood and tears, so there must be a reason for it.
[04:36] <reisio> hanish: nothing you will ever need
[04:36] <reisio> just more software in your way, courtesy of Poettering
[04:37] <hanish> aaah my internet is too slow
[04:37] <Lope> reisio: he was just pottering around one day.
[04:37] <hanish> 200kb to 6kb
[04:39] <reisio> Lope: :p
[04:39] <reisio> I remember when my bro got his super fast 56k modem
[04:40] <reisio> we downloaded things just to watch them zoom by
[04:42] <kang0> Who can offer me laptop( and work)
[04:44] <reisio> kang0: people with jobs and laptops
[04:44] <reisio> a perfectly useful laptop in the USA only costs about a day's worth of work at minimum wage in various places, though
[04:44] <kang0> Really
[04:45] <kang0> On which sie
[04:45] <kang0> Site
[04:45] <kang0> I3 equivalent spec?
[04:56] <kang0> reisio
[04:59] <reisio> huh?
[05:28] <somaReverse> ok, the ssh-copy-id problem reproduced
[05:30] <somaReverse> this is the full log https://ptpb.pw/9c8w
[06:15] <lemonsparrow> hi.. Im running a docker ubuntu 	Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS
[06:15] <lemonsparrow> the problem is I ssh from my terminal and start a node script.. but once I exit the terminal the process stops
[06:16] <lemonsparrow> how can I keep it running without stopping when i close the terminal
[06:16] <lemonsparrow> I tried server.js &
[06:16] <lemonsparrow> setsid server.js
[06:16] <lemonsparrow> (server.js &)
[06:16] <lemonsparrow> and even nohup server.js
[06:16] <lemonsparrow> nothing is working for me
[06:16] <lemonsparrow> once I exit the terminal server stops !
[06:17] <lemonsparrow> can someone help me solve the issue
[06:35] <Wirehunter> lemonsparrow, how about using screen?
[06:36] <Wirehunter> lemonsparrow, Screen is very easy to use. You can create a screen, start the node script, detatch from the screen and reattach anytime when you want to see the output or want to stop it.
[06:37] <lemonsparrow> Wirehunter: how to kill a screen process ?
[06:37] <lemonsparrow> $ screen -ls There is a screen on: 	7312..node-teradata-8481	(11/15/2016 04:34:01 AM)	(Dead ???) Remove dead screens with 'screen -wipe'. 1 Socket in /var/run/screen/S-msasidharan.
[06:40] <Wirehunter> lemonsparrow, -r to reattach and then exit?
[06:40] <Lewoco> A lot of the time a two-finger swipe registers as a right-click instead of a swipe. Is there any way to fix this?
[06:41] <lemonsparrow> Wirehunter: solved it.. I was writing to standard ouput.. that was causing the issue..r emoved logs and used screen.. works now :)
[06:41] <Lewoco> Seems to happen unless I swipe unnaturally slowly.
[06:42] <reisio> you can change thresholds, yes
[06:42] <reisio> via xorg.conf(.d/foo)
[06:42] <reisio> you'll have to look up the specific parameter names and reasonable start values
[06:42] <reisio> or find a configurator in the repos
[06:42] <GnomeHatGuy> hi
[06:43] <Lewoco> reisio: You're talking about the settings in man synaptics?
[06:44] <reisio> Lewoco: yup, probs
[06:44] <reisio> GnomeHatGuy: ohai
[06:44] <Lewoco> reisio: Hmm, I've been experimenting with those for hours and still can't find anything that seems to helps.
[06:45] <reisio> might do an end-run and search for your model plus 'linux' plus 'touchpad'
[06:45] <GnomeHatGuy> My 16.10 Ubuntu update was fucking hell, made me almost want to go back to windows, lost my boot, took two hours to install, had to install on Partial mode, Whatever that mean!!! Fuck!
[06:46] <reisio> fsck!
[06:47] <baizon> GnomeHatGuy: please watch your words
[06:53] <misterg77> I have read pages and pages of stuff on how to change the splash screen I don't knoe much about Kubuntu and I need help
[06:53] <misterg77> know
[06:54] <reisio> change it in what way
[06:54] <misterg77> I found the folder where the lock screen images are but I am not sure how to customize it I wish it worked liked windows simply cut and paste to the folder you desire it to be in and viola!
[06:55] <misterg77> add a picture something othwer that the default image
[06:55] <misterg77> it's ugly to me
[06:55] <reisio> http://askubuntu.com/questions/248573/kde-how-to-change-boot-animation
[06:55] <reisio> works exactly the same as with Windows
[06:55] <reisio> except in GNU/Linux you could always change the image without hacking a DLL
[06:55] <reisio> in Windows only since version 7 :p
[06:56] <misterg77> really I can't cut into the root foldr if it was that sdimple I would be done
[06:56] <reisio> misterg77: you can, just not by default
[06:56] <reisio> and that's because unlike Windows, GNU/Linux has a security model
[06:57] <misterg77> yes so what's my backdoor
[06:58] <misterg77> see that folder is in root and so far I can't paste anything to it and I don't llknow jack about linux commands
[07:04] <GnomeHatGuy> Is Fedora any better than Ubuntu?
[07:05] <reisio> GnomeHatGuy: worser
[07:05] <GnomeHatGuy> I love Gnome I just hate ubuntu, root/boot files always breaking so easily
[07:05] <ra21vi> how to get intel graphics work on Dell 7559 .. if I switch from nvidia to intel using Nvidia Prime, it does not work, and screen freezes on boot
[07:05] <reisio> what do you hate about Ubuntu?
[07:06] <ra21vi> GnomeHatGuy: fedora, ubuntu and other distos are all good. they have different vision and roadmap..
[07:07] <GnomeHatGuy> boot files break to easily, several times now, they broke during the update just becuase a Partial Install to 16.10 had to run.
[07:07] <reisio> and not on Fedora?
[07:08] <GnomeHatGuy> I'm trying Fedora on VB for the first time
[07:09] <reisio> well try updating it, and then you might have a useful comparison
[07:10] <Bashing-om> reisio: A thought or 2. The correct mVidia driver installed ? . then perhaps a corrupted xorg.conf file ? Maybe remove it and have nvidia build a new one ??
[07:10] <ra21vi> GnomeHatGuy: try Fedora, if it works good for you and you like it, then you should use that. Too many contributors are working in Fedora community too, as like Ubuntu, and no one is selling the platform with license. So respect to all such community. Use what you find good for you :)
[07:10] <reisio> Bashing-om: probably your nvidia<->intel switching implementation has failed, yes
[07:10] <reisio> you could nuke your X config and reconfigure for intel alone probably, for sure
[07:13] <ra21vi> reisio: i have nvidia working (960M) on new dell 7559, Ubuntu 16.10. But when I switch to intel using prime-select command, then i cannot boot. I have turned off secure boot, HPM etc in BIOS. any idea whats going wrong?
[07:14] <reisio> ra21vi: what happens during bootup?
[07:15] <trunkz> mic check
[07:24] <ra21vi> reisio: right now i switched back to nvidia. Where should I peek in log for previous boot errors?
[07:26] <LinuxNovice> hello..I am new to Linux. I needed some help
[07:27] <EriC^^> !ask | LinuxNovice
[07:27] <baizon> ra21vi: https://askubuntu.com/questions/657969/where-to-find-ubuntu-boot-logs
[07:28] <LinuxNovice> which is the best image writer application for creating live usb? I need the application that works on Lubuntu and which supports most of the distros.
[07:29] <ra21vi> baizon: it all shows current boot log. I think i will have to enable prev boot error
[07:29] <ra21vi> LinuxNovice: do you want to run usb-creator app on Lubuntu?
[07:29] <LinuxNovice> yes.
[07:30] <ra21vi> LinuxNovice: does it work for you - https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu
[07:31] <LinuxNovice> with some apps like unetbootin and someother, I'm having some problem in creating live usb for ZorinOS and Porteus/
[07:31] <EriC^^> LinuxNovice: dd is the best
[07:31] <baizon> ra21vi: which ubuntu version
[07:31] <LinuxNovice> 16.04
[07:32] <ra21vi> baizon: 16.10
[07:32] <LinuxNovice> can we use rufus through wine and create a live usb?
[07:33] <baizon> ra21vi: then you got systemd... https://askubuntu.com/questions/763638/no-more-boot-logging-since-16-04
[07:35] <ra21vi> baizon: ok. but i don't think journald on ubuntu by default stores previous log. I am getting this error - Specifying boot ID has no effect, no persistent journal was found
[07:36] <baizon> ra21vi: i got messages from yesterday
[07:40] <LinuxNovice> I have used nearly every image writer I know of, but unable to create a live usb for some distros. They just don't get detected during bootup.
[07:43] <cece> try rufus or dd
[07:43] <LinuxNovice> how to use dd?
[07:44] <LinuxNovice> rufus can be used only on windows, I suppose. I want something that works on Ubuntu.
[07:44] <cece> LinuxNovice: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_flash_installation_media
[07:44] <Bashing-om> LinuxNovice: sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M && sync .
[07:46] <LinuxNovice> ok. I'll try.
[07:46] <LinuxNovice> thanks a lot guys.
[07:49] <Bashing-om> LinuxNovice: Make very sure with 'dd' .. it does as told, not what you think you think. that x in sdX is a,b,c as related from the output of ' sudo fdisk -lu ' .
[07:50] <ducasse> ra21vi: you need to create /var/log/journal to get persistent logging
[07:51] <LinuxNovice> I'm new to Linux. Not at all familiar with Linux command line. Could you please let me know of any website where it is comprehensively explained. I mean, how to use dd to create live usb.
[07:56] <fn2> LinuxNovice, linuxcommand.org offers information about command line in general.
[07:59] <_Qube_> Hi does anyone know where I could find a guide for setting up a server that can offer cheap shell accounts for Vhost and BNC etc? - I want to make my own server to offer these servers
[08:05] <Hanumaan> in the apt-update getting the following error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23499340/
[08:05] <baizon> Hanumaan: sudo apt-get install -f
[08:06] <Hanumaan> baizon, still the same error : http://paste.ubuntu.com/23499359/
[08:07] <baizon> Hanumaan: well your efi is broken
[08:07] <fn2> maybe uninstall then reinstall would work @ baizon?
[08:08] <megaminxwin> im at my wits end, i need help
[08:08] <megaminxwin> for whatever reason, not a single setting in the system settings program shows up
[08:08] <Hanumaan> baizon, fn2, I have Windows, ubuntu and fedora and grub2 is maintained by fedora
[08:08] <megaminxwin> when i open it, its just empty
[08:08] <Hanumaan> fn2, which package to be uninstalled and installed?
[08:09] <megaminxwin> and if i try opening settings in other ways - like bluetooth settings via the bluetooth icon - they dont show a thing
[08:09] <cfhowlett> Hanumaan, intall ubuntu, DO NOT install the grub bootloader.  after install completes, boot your fedora and update grub
[08:09] <megaminxwin> it just looks like this https://i.stack.imgur.com/s041f.png
[08:10] <megaminxwin> ive done everything here https://askubuntu.com/questions/848869/no-settings-in-system-settings-app-in-16-04 but nothing works
[08:10] <megaminxwin> using ubuntu 16.04
[08:10] <megaminxwin> any ideas?
[08:10] <yakov> Hello! a from Russia/
[08:10] <cfhowlett> !ru | yakov
[08:10] <Hanumaan> cfhowlett, I have some softwares it will be lot of work .. I don't repair it at all any disadvantage?
[08:11] <cfhowlett> Hanumaan, as fedora is maintaining grub, ubuntu is likely conflicting there.  my suggestion is the workaround.  OR reinstall grub and have ubuntu manage it.
[08:11] <cfhowlett> !grub2 | Hanumaan
[08:12] <fn2> I can't help much there since I don't use unity, megaminxwin.
[08:13] <cfhowlett> megaminxwin, new install?
[08:14] <megaminxwin> cfhowlett: no, this has been installed for a while
[08:15] <megaminxwin> it was working fine for a while but then *poof*
[08:15] <megaminxwin> i have no idea what i did but now i cant get them back
[08:15] <cfhowlett> megaminxwin, suggest you sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade            then use the command line to install your package.  also: change themes
[08:16] <fn2> and have you installed anything recently, megaminxwin?
[08:17] <megaminxwin> cfhowlett: ill do that, although this is the default theme so im not sure what youre talking about
[08:17] <megaminxwin> fn2: nothing that i know of
[08:17] <cfhowlett> megaminxwin, understood.  try the unity light? theme.  I do not unity so I don't know for sure.
[08:18] <megaminxwin> ...wait
[08:18] <megaminxwin> just figured it out
[08:18] <megaminxwin> and now im both relieved and irritated
[08:18] <megaminxwin> relieved because yay settings
[08:18] <fn2> mind sharing in case someone else has the same issue?
[08:19] <cfhowlett> please share!
[08:19] <megaminxwin> i installed a gnome menu editor right
[08:19] <megaminxwin> because of clutter
[08:19] <cfhowlett> gnome editor ... on unity?  sounds ... :~
[08:19] <megaminxwin> one of the first things i did was hide all the settings from appearing in the ubuntu menu
[08:19] <megaminxwin> well it also has a section for unity
[08:20] <megaminxwin> but apparently the system settings reads all the settings from the menu, and if its not visible in the menu, it doesnt exist in the settings
[08:21] <megaminxwin> so while im relieved i have my settings back, im irritated because it means my menu is all cluttered again
[08:28] <megaminxwin> and now to go bother the people at mozilla for the other issue ive been having
[08:28] <megaminxwin> see ya
[08:35] <XiMao> ....
[09:01] <Squarism> ive downloaded hexchat source but no build instructions are included. Is that because people are assumed to know how to standard build procedure?
[09:01] <Squarism> like configure / make
[09:01] <IhrFussel> Im using Xubuntu 16.04 ... Some time ago I wanted to try Lubuntu as 2nd environment and installed it...I didnt like it and uninstalled all lubuntu* / lx* packages again, but something causes the Lubuntu splash screen to display on shutdown now...can someone help?
[09:03] <ducasse> Squarism: why build at all? it's in the repos.
[09:03] <ducasse> Squarism: also, yes. :)
[09:03] <Guest77518> IhrFussel: what does
[09:03] <Guest77518> dpkg -l | grep -i plymouth
[09:03] <Guest77518> say?
[09:03] <Squarism> ducasse, only on untrusted ppas
[09:04] <ducasse> Squarism: which version are you on?
[09:04] <Squarism> latest version 2.12.3 that is
[09:04] <Squarism> im on 2.9 now.. (only one available for trussty)
[09:04] <ducasse> Squarism: do you *need* the latest version?
[09:05] <IhrFussel> One sec ill check
[09:05] <Squarism> im curious of it
[09:05] <XiMao> :)
[09:05] <ducasse> Squarism: so there's nothing in it you must have. you could ask for a backport to trusty.
[09:07] <Squarism> ducasse, my reasons for wanting latest version are not important. I want it
[09:07] <ducasse> Squarism: well, it kind of is. if you have a good reason you could get a stable release update.
[09:08] <Squarism> ducasse, ill know once i installed it if its a must have. If it  can be built for 14.04 why not?
[09:09] <ducasse> Squarism: if you want to build it yourself, you could grab the source and recipe from a ppa, then build the package yourself, you can verify that the source is authentic.
[09:09] <ducasse> Squarism: they won't make an sru without aood reason. a backport maybe, ask the maintainer.
[09:09] <ducasse> *a good
[09:09] <IhrFussel> Guest77518, it says a lot... Also "plymouth-theme-lubuntu-logo/text"
[09:09] <klug> anyone have experience converting dvds to mp4? I've installed handbrake but cant seem to get it to read the dvd
[09:10] <klug> using 16.10
[09:10] <klug> yes I've googled it
[09:11] <ducasse> klug: you might need libdvdcss - http://www.howtogeek.com/240487/how-to-play-dvds-and-blu-rays-on-linux/
[09:11] <jatt> IhrFussel: remove that one if you don't want to see the lubuntu splash
[09:11] <Squarism> ducasse, ok
[09:11] <klug> thank you ducasse
[09:12] <jatt> IhrFussel: and install plymouth-theme-ubuntu-text instead
[09:14] <IhrFussel> jatt, just sudo apt-get purge plymouth-theme-lubuntu* ?
[09:14] <jatt> IhrFussel: sudo dpkg --purge remove plymouth-theme-lubuntu*
[09:15] <klug> also, more of a nag, how come when you have terminal in the icon bar launching terminal opens a new icon instead of staying with the one I have locked
[09:19] <crashdata> hello
[09:20] <IhrFussel> jatt, thanks a lot the old splash screen is back :)
[09:24] <Squarism> if i build something from source, can i run it wo doing "make install"?
[09:25] <ducasse> Squarism: sometimes.
[09:25] <Squarism> ducasse, how?
[09:25] <Squarism> i cannot see an executable
[09:26] <ducasse> Squarism: it's probably in a subdir. an application like hexchat might need to be installed, though.
[09:27] <jatt> IhrFussel: you're welcome 😸
[09:30] <Squarism> ducasse, one could expect you could build and run an application wo needing to run : sudo make install
[09:31] <Squarism> in a "non system" directory so to speak
[09:32] <ducasse> Squarism: why is that? the application might have resources that it needs to load, that it will look for in the build prefix.
[09:32] <Squarism> ok
[09:32] <Squarism> ill try to install it then
[09:33] <FrEaKmAn_> hi all.. I have set some system wide variables in /etc/environment in format FOO="bar", but when I echo $FOO it's empty
[09:33] <FrEaKmAn_> must I reload something?
[09:33] <ducasse> Squarism: remove the package first if it is installed.
[09:36] <ra21vi> ducasse: for persistent log, do i have to create /var/log/journal as file or directory?, and who will own this as well as permission?
[09:37] <jatt> FrEaKmAn_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnvironmentVariables#A.2Fetc.2Fenvironment
[09:38] <FrEaKmAn_> jatt: yes? I'm reading http://askubuntu.com/questions/391515/changing-etc-environment-did-not-affect-my-environment-variables
[09:38] <FrEaKmAn_> I must reboot?
[09:38] <oneTrueMike> Hi there
[09:38] <ducasse> ra21vi: dir, root:systemd-journal drwxr-sr-x
[09:39] <oneTrueMike> no, don't do that, you'll break your floppy drive!!!
[09:40] <jatt> FrEaKmAn_: I think you just need to logout and login
[09:40] <jatt> FrEaKmAn_: no reboot
[09:40] <oneTrueMike> THROW IT DOWN THE STAIRS!!!
[09:41] <oneTrueMike> I saw that work onces
[09:41] <metalliko> hello
[09:42] <oneTrueMike> hello
[09:42] <ra21vi> ducasse: thanks
[09:42] <metalliko> i'm getting this: http://pastebin.com/egmv5g1G error on apt/aptitude after installing the restricted extras package
[09:42] <metalliko> any idea on how to solve it?
[09:46] <ducasse> metalliko: try 'sudo /usr/lib/update-notifier/package-data-downloader'
[09:46] <metalliko> ok
[09:46] <trams_> hello
[09:47] <trams_>  i need help to hack an wifi
[09:48] <ducasse> trams_: not going to get that here.
[09:48] <metalliko> ducasse, same error http://pastebin.com/32ghsArW
[09:48] <Tims_Tech> trams_, cracking is a better word
[09:48] <Tims_Tech> also
[09:48] <Tims_Tech> cracking is illegal
[09:49] <metalliko> not if you are auditing your own network or have permision Tims_Tech
[09:49] <Squarism> woho.. built my new hexchat
[09:49] <Tims_Tech> That's correct metalliko
[09:49] <jatt> 😷
[09:49] <Tims_Tech> metalliko, but real hacking requires a lot of programming skills and linux skills
[09:50] <metalliko> yea
[09:50] <Tims_Tech> I am not saying in any way that I am a real hacker but I am a software developer..I was interested in hacking too(when I was new to linux, lol) but not anymore
[09:51] <metalliko> Tims_Tech, why you lose interest on security?
[09:51] <ducasse> metalliko: 'sudo chmod 777 /var/lib/update-notifier/package-data-downloads/partial'
[09:52] <Tims_Tech> I was more interested in programming..I am currently working on compiling Android..it's a very fun and learning and time consuming task
[09:52] <Tims_Tech> I am working on it for months now
[09:52] <metalliko> i'm planing on studding a computer security and be a profesional pentester
[09:52] <Tims_Tech> with slowly making progress
[09:52] <metalliko> *a computer security course
[09:53] <Tims_Tech> a well..I am still 15 years old..I have a lot to learn
[09:53] <ducasse> could you please stay on topic, guys?
[09:53] <Tims_Tech> ow sorry..yes ducasse
[09:53] <Tims_Tech> my fault
[09:54] <cfhowlett> you can discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:54] <metalliko> sorry ducasse
[09:54] <Delta706> I would like to modify my screen configuration to disable backing-store
[09:54] <ducasse> metalliko: did you see my last message to you?
[09:55] <metalliko> yes
[09:55] <metalliko> i'm trying to figure out if it worked
[09:55] <ducasse> metalliko: try that, then 'sudo /usr/lib/update-notifier/package-data-downloader'
[09:57] <metalliko> ducasse, http://pastebin.com/h4WHEG1p
[09:57] <metalliko> now only an error for mscorefonts apears
[09:57] <metalliko> no flash error etc...
[09:57] <metalliko> its solved?
[09:59] <ducasse> metalliko: there's a problem with the file downloaded from sourceforge, not much i can do about that. just remove the package: 'sudo dpkg -r ttf-mscorefonts-installer'
[10:00] <ducasse> metalliko: then 'sudo dpkg --configure -a ; sudo apt install -f' to clean up
[10:00] <metalliko> ok
[10:00] <metalliko> but the rest of the extras have been installed right?
[10:01] <metalliko> flash and company
[10:01] <ducasse> metalliko: flash etc should work fine, you will just be missing the old ms web fonts
[10:01] <metalliko> great
[10:01] <metalliko> thanks ducasse
[10:01] <ducasse> metalliko: try installing it another day, maybe the files will be fixed then.
[10:10] <Malodobry> good morning, gentlemen
[10:10] <Malodobry> may i recieve an answer concerning problems with bootloader (i think) here?
[10:12] <cfhowlett> !ask | Malodobry
[10:14] <Malodobry> alright
[10:14] <Delta706> Malodobry: if you have a ubuntu question, then you can ask
[10:17] <Malodobry> 1. I had dual boot Win 7 and Ubuntu 16.04 (win 7 installed first). Used GRUB 2. I decided to remove Win7 completely. 3. Followed some tut: used liveUSB G-parted to remove Win partition, resize extended partition of my Ubuntu 16.04 installation and enlarge my /home (which was first partition next to windows NTFS). Did it all with one "apply". 4. On boot (HP Probook 470 G1) "no bootDevice found 3F0". 5. Ran boot-repair liveUSB to try
[10:18] <Malodobry> so I am here now
[10:18] <Malodobry> currently sitting on disk-repair liveUSB to ask these questions BTW
[10:19] <Malodobry> well, I realised I haven't really asked the question. So: what to do?
[10:29] <geo_> hi
[10:31] <Malodobry> well, I will try to use resotre MBR option of Boot repair
[10:31] <Malodobry> will return shortly
[10:35] <malodobry> well, it didn't work
[10:35] <malodobry> still "no bootDevice found 3f0"
[10:51] <wayne_> Hullo
[10:51] <wayne_> anyone alive?
[10:52] <akik> !ask | wayne
[10:52] <cfhowlett> wayne_, this channel always has over 1000 users.  better to skip the preliminaries and just ask your ubuntu support questions
[10:52] <wayne_> need a bit of help
[10:52] <wayne_> how do I change directory in terminal
[10:53] <cfhowlett> wayne_, cd /directory
[10:53] <wayne_> maybe I forgot the / part, will try
[10:54] <wayne_> that did not help
[10:54] <wayne_>  I need to get to downloads,
[10:54] <akik> wayne_: it all depends in which directory you are. you can see that with "pwd"
[10:54] <Ben64> you need to type it correct
[10:55] <wayne_> dir shows downloads
[10:55] <akik> wayne_: to see what directories are in your current directory, use "ls"
[10:55] <ducasse> wayne_: use tab expand to avoid mistypes.
[10:59] <wayne_> thankyou all
[11:01] <wayne_> tryimg to install software for brother all in one, have downloaded an installer from them, going to try
[11:02] <Ben64> wayne_: usually not the right way to install things
[11:06] <GTA5> how can i make sure an app's window is always on a specific viewport? ccsm settings sometimes dont work
[11:08] <GTA5> im able to make a program that can execute a command every 5secs and places a window on a viewport, but i dont know the command
[11:09] <wayne_> minor detail, how do I log into terminal as root
[11:09] <cfhowlett> !root | wayne_
[11:10] <Malodobry_> Is my question still visible as i have reconnected?
[11:11] <cfhowlett> Malodobry_, ask every 15 minutes or so
[11:14] <StephanBodzin> how can i make sure an app's window is always on a specific viewport? ccsm settings sometimes dont work. if you know, call me by my name
[11:14] <malodobry> gentlemen, I have deleted windows partition and cannot boot ubuntu 16.04 now
[11:14] <malodobry> grub doesn't start. What to do?
[11:14] <cfhowlett> reinstall grub
[11:15] <cfhowlett> !grub2 | malodobry
[11:15] <malodobry> didn't work as yet
[11:15] <malodobry> ussed boot repair
[11:15] <malodobry> to install to sda (SDD) and sd5 or sd6 (partition suggested by boot-repair entry
[11:15] <cfhowlett> malodobry, read the link. reinstall grub
[11:16] <cfhowlett> and you should NOT be installing to 3 different locations!
[11:17] <malodobry> installed to one every time and purged afterwards. Will it have consequences?
[11:17] <cfhowlett> malodobry, if they are truly and properly purged, no
[11:17] <StephanBodzin> if i ask every 15 minutes, will i be kicked? im not trolling
[11:17] <cfhowlett> StephanBodzin, no 15 minutes is acceptable
[11:18] <malodobry> how to send message to a person?
[11:18] <StephanBodzin> cfhowlett, are you an op?
[11:18] <cfhowlett> malodobry, 1. with permission.  2. /msg nick
[11:18] <cfhowlett> StephanBodzin, no
[11:19] <ducasse> StephanBodzin: try gdevilspie, i assume that can do it.
[11:19] <StephanBodzin> ducasse, only when apps are open
[11:19] <wayne_> why could Brother not make a simple installer that did not require 16 tons of stuff to try to wade through
[11:19] <StephanBodzin> while theyre open, sometimes theyre moved to another viewport
[11:19] <StephanBodzin> suddenly
[11:20] <cfhowlett> wayne_, you have to take that up with brother
[11:21] <ducasse> StephanBodzin: that sounds like a driver bug or similar.
[11:21] <wayne_> I left them feedback, for what good it will do
[11:22] <wayne_> HP made it one simple package to install
[11:22] <StephanBodzin> ducasse, 'driver bug or similar' is so vague
[11:22] <StephanBodzin> this is my only problem
[11:22] <StephanBodzin> with unity
[11:23] <ducasse> StephanBodzin: look at the logs.
[11:23] <StephanBodzin> ducasse, i thought instantly about strace
[11:24] <ducasse> StephanBodzin: the de should not do that unless a) you ask it to or b) a reset or similar forces it to
[11:24] <yocs0000> hi! I have tried installing drupal using repository, but how do I reach the installtion?
[11:25] <MonkeyDust> find drupal
[11:25] <MonkeyDust> !find drupal
[11:28] <svip> Is it possible to tell the distribution upgrader to use a different partition for store temporary packages during upgrading?
[11:29] <cfhowlett> svip, I know a work around.  what's the problem?
[11:29] <svip> cfhowlett: Not enough space on / to perform the upgrade.
[11:29] <svip> I need to find 4 GB more, and I don't think that's gonna happen.
[11:29] <cfhowlett> svip, clean out you're kernels
[11:29] <svip> Ooh, good idea.
[11:30] <cfhowlett> start with sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get clean
[11:31] <svip> cfhowlett: Thanks, totally forgot about all the kernels.
[11:31] <cfhowlett> happy2help! svip
[11:32] <cfhowlett> note: the second command empties out your cache of downloaded .debs.  also good maintenance IMHO
[11:32] <aruns> Hi.
[11:33] <aruns> I am looking to install some OCR software on Ubuntu 16.04 to convert scanned PNG images of assignment briefs from my college lecturer to plain text. Which OCR software for Ubuntu would you guys recommend?
[11:34] <cfhowlett> aruns,  see what's in the software center
[11:34] <MonkeyDust> !ocr | aruns
[11:34] <dumle29> Does anyone know of a DD gui that shows progress? Or is it just not possible with DD?
[11:34] <jatt> what is "DD"?
[11:35] <MonkeyDust> dumle29  you can use the 'watch' command to see it progress
[11:35] <dumle29> cool. thanks :)
[11:35] <ducasse> dumle29: also, status=progress
[11:35] <dumle29> jatt: Probably the best storage manipulating program :)
[11:35] <dumle29> ducasse: I found something with examples online witha program called PV
[11:35] <dumle29> looked pretty neat
[11:35] <MonkeyDust> dumle29  i guess you mean, dd, lowercase
[11:35] <dumle29> MonkeyDust: right
[11:36] <dumle29> Don't know why I capitalized it
[11:36] <ducasse> dumle29: sure, pv is nice, but status=... is built-in.
[11:36] <dumle29> really?
[11:36] <dumle29> ducasse: Can you give an example?
[11:36] <ducasse> dumle29: 'dd --help' :)
[11:37] <dumle29> something like: dd if=/dev/sdb of=~/usbimg status=progress
[11:37] <dumle29> ducasse: Right :P
[11:37] <ducasse> dumle29: 'dd if=foo of=bar status=progress', yes
[11:37] <dumle29> ducasse: Cool :) thanks
[11:40] <yocs0000> MonkeyDust: thank you, but I would really like to understand how to use the repository installation .... sudo apt-get install drupal does install all the dependecies and configures the database
[11:40] <yocs0000> MonkeyDust: but then, when you do http://localhost, nothing happens
[11:40] <yocs0000> MonkeyDust: and when you do http://localhost/drupal configurtion staarts from scratch and it is drupal 8 non 7
[11:41] <rebo> quick question. Can I install packages from packages.debian.org on Ubuntu?
[11:42] <aruns> Hi, another quick question.
[11:42] <aruns> How do I remove PPAs on the command line?
[11:42] <aruns> I know how to remove their public keys, but is that enough?
[11:42] <rebo> arnus, http://askubuntu.com/questions/307/how-can-ppas-be-removed
[11:42] <aruns> rebo: Thanks.
[11:43] <ducasse> rebo: no, don't do that.
[11:44] <rebo> I know I shouldn't, but is it possible? are the binaries compatible?
[11:45] <cfhowlett> rebo, technically yes.  practically no.  installing via that method does not address dependencies
[11:45] <rebo> what if I manually download all needed .deb packages. can I then install them?
[11:45] <ducasse> rebo: well, as long as the dependencies are filled, but it is a BAD idea.
[11:46] <StephanBodzin> ducasse, at what logs should i look if it happens again?
[11:47] <ducasse> StephanBodzin: the x log, kernel log and ~/.xsession-errors, i guess.
[11:48] <StephanBodzin> ducasse, what is the path for x log? i cant find anything in /var/log?
[11:48] <StephanBodzin> no '?'
[11:49] <ducasse> StephanBodzin: if you don't have /var/log/Xorg.0.log, then look under ~/.local/share/xorg
[11:50] <StephanBodzin> nothing there
[11:50] <StephanBodzin> no xorg subdir
[11:51] <ducasse> StephanBodzin: then i don't know, all i know is systemd has messed with this as well, so since x runs as a normal user the logs are supposed to be under your homedir.
[11:52] <StephanBodzin> i used `journalctl -e _COMM=` but nothing similar to x appears
[11:52] <ikonia> xorg should still log to /var/log
[11:53] <StephanBodzin> if its a compiz issue, would it appear in xorg logs?
[11:56] <ducasse> StephanBodzin: there should be a hint there (or in kernel log) if it as a driver issue. if it is just compiz, i would think xsession-errors.
[11:57] <StephanBodzin> ducasse, ok
[12:01] <svip> Beyond autoremove, clean and removing old kernels, what are other ways of cleaning up?
[12:01] <svip> Beyond actually removing programs.
[12:02] <cfhowlett> svip, how close are you?
[12:02] <etronik> Hi everyone, just upgraded to 16.04 LTS from 14.04 but whenever I use the new "software centre" or "Ubuntu Software" it just sits there without searching anything... hourglass eternally spinning , any ideas ?
[12:05] <rebo> svip: you can delete unnecessary locale data
[12:05] <cfhowlett> svip, silly, I know but you DID empty the Trash?
[12:06] <rebo> svip, man localepurge
[12:07] <svip> cfhowlett: The .Trash-directory is on /home/, right?
[12:07] <svip> cfhowlett: I am 1.5 GB short.
[12:07] <svip> My /home is a separate partition from /.
[12:08] <cfhowlett> svip, try this sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade && sudo apt autoremove && sudo apt-get clean
[12:08] <etronik> so the alternative to http://askubuntu.com/questions/760275/new-ubuntu-software-not-working-16-04 is installing the old one ?? not solving the current problem ?
[12:09] <svip> cfhowlett: Didn't change much, I'm afraid.  full-upgrade did nothing.
[12:09] <svip> Where does the installer save its temporary debs to?
[12:09] <cfhowlett> in the cache
[12:09] <svip> Places like /tmp ?
[12:11] <rebo> svip, `sudo apt-get clean` clears the cache
[12:11] <svip> Right.
[12:12] <cfhowlett> svip, how big is your partition?
[12:12] <svip> But the upgrader needs 7 GB, I assume it's to keep the debs it's about to install somewhere.
[12:12] <svip> My / is 25 GB.
[12:12] <rebo> svip: time to delete your pr0n folder ;)
[12:12] <svip> rebo: Again, /home and / are separate.
[12:12] <svip> I was asking if there was a way to tell the upgrader to use my home partition instead.
[12:13] <svip> At least during the installation, for store its temporary files.
[12:13] <rommel> no
[12:13] <ducasse> svip: symlink?
[12:13] <svip> That's what I am thinking.
[12:13] <cfhowlett> svip, !   I installed ubuntustudio and all extra and suggested packages and I STILL have only about 10 gb in /
[12:13] <svip> But what to symlink.
[12:13] <rebo> yeah, symlink or mount
[12:14] <ducasse> svip: /var/cache/apt/archives
[12:16] <ducasse> svip: i've never tried it, but i can't think of a reason why it shouldn't work
[12:16] <yocs0000> hi! I have tried installing drupal using repository, but how do I reach the installation?
[12:17] <yocs0000> sudo apt-get install drupal does install all the dependecies and configures the database
[12:17] <yocs0000> but then, when you do http://localhost, nothing happens
[12:17] <yocs0000> and when you do http://localhost/drupal configurtion staarts from scratch and it is drupal 8 non 7
[12:18] <svip> ducasse: My only logic for why it should not work would be that the check for available space is done on a different directory.
[12:19] <ducasse> svip: if so, i would guess that is /var or /var/cache/apt.
[12:20] <svip> ducasse: Hurray.
[12:21] <Kimmy92> Anyone having problem with skype alpha tray icon not showing in Ubuntu 16.10?
[12:21] <svip> If I recall correctly, I still think I installed 10.04 on this machine back in the day.
[12:21] <anirban> Kimmy92, can you give me a link to download skype alpha from, please.
[12:22] <anirban> The one I downloaded says it's not supported anymore.
[12:22] <anirban> I am having to use the older skype client.
[12:22] <cfhowlett> Kimmy92, it's an alpha so ... expect issues
[12:22] <anirban> and you probably need to install sniqt i386, Kimmy92
[12:22] <anirban> If it's not there.
[12:23] <Kimmy92> anirban https://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/Skype-for-Linux-Alpha-and-calling-on-Chrome-amp-Chromebooks/td-p/4434299
[12:23] <Kimmy92> cfhowlett ofc but the tray icon worked on Ubuntu 16.04 so thats why i am wondering
[12:24] <anirban> Thank you Kimmy92
[12:24] <anirban> Check for sni-qt Kimmy92
[12:25] <OerHeks> " Skype for Linux Alpha v1.2 improves a number of things,......, better system tray behaviour " lolz
[12:25] <Kimmy92> anirban your welcome. sni-qt?
[12:26] <Kimmy92> OerHesk right xD the tray icon worked perfectly on 16.04 though
[12:26] <OerHeks> Kimmy92, indeed, i stick with LTS for now
[12:27] <anirban> Let me check if the skype alpha is a qt app like the older skype client, Kimmy92
[12:29] <Kimmy92> OerHesk, Thats was my plan to but in the end i didn't followed that planed. To addicted on always have the latest ^^
[12:29] <Kimmy92> anirban ah
[12:32] <mas886> I'm getting the following error: "error while loading shared libraries: libpng12.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" while trying to execute godot engine on ubuntu 16.10 but apparently the library libpng-dev is already installed.
[12:33] <ducasse> mas886: you need libpng12-0, not the -dev package
[12:33] <bekks> mas886: There is no package providing that old library anymore.
[12:35] <anirban> Kimmy92, yeah, please ignore anything I said earlier. They won't work.
[12:35] <jehad> .login
[12:37] <ikonia> mas886: how did you install godot
[12:38] <mas886> ikonia: downloaded the file from their website.
[12:38] <mas886> doesn't appear to be on the repository (or discover can't find it)
[12:38] <bekks> !info godot
[12:38] <ikonia> mas886: so there is your problem then
[12:38] <Kimmy92> anirban they will probably fix the problem soon anyway, seems like skype alpha have a new version 1 day per week. Not that i complaining :P
[12:38] <ikonia> mas886: you need to engage with them to update their software to be compatible with the libraries shipped in a modern distro
[12:38] <akik> anirban: what did you mean by "They won't work" ?
[12:39] <anirban> I thought it has to do with not having sni-qt installed, akik
[12:39] <anirban> The older skype client was a qt app which only had a i386 build
[12:39] <akik> anirban: skype alpha? worked fine on kubuntu 14.04 x86_64
[12:40] <anirban> Works fine for me too in 16.04
[12:40] <anirban> Kimmy92 does not have a tray icon though
[12:40] <mas886> ikonia: okay, just thought there was some way to install the missing library or error I made.
[12:40] <akik> anirban: somebody had a problem that they weren't able to get the skype ui shown on ubuntu 16.04
[12:42] <akik> anirban: it was shown in the task switcher, thought, but they couldn't get into the ui
[12:48] <LinuxNovice> hi, could anybody enlighnten me on the advantages of Ubuntu over Mint?
[12:48] <cfhowlett> LinuxNovice, we don't really do that.  choose one, learn it
[12:48] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: no
[12:48] <OerHeks> LinuxNovice, again?
[12:49] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: we've spoke about this sort of thing for the past few days
[12:49] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: you need to try things, research things and pick what you like personally
[12:49] <OerHeks> LinuxNovice, mint is slower, so ...
[12:49] <LinuxNovice> I'm new to Linux and hence am unable to decide.
[12:49] <Wirehunter> Then use both for a while.
[12:49] <cfhowlett> LinuxNovice, this^^^
[12:50] <OerHeks> LinuxNovice, are you a chat-bot?
[12:50] <cfhowlett> !
[12:50] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: you try and research and pick your personal preference
[12:50] <ikonia> it's that simple
[12:50] <dumbl3d0re> I want to install Ubuntu on a drive that i manually partition before or when installing Ubuntu.
[12:51] <ikonia> dumbl3d0re: up to you, both will work
[12:51] <LinuxNovice> Ok
[12:51] <yancho> hi. selecting (due to a hard code in mysql.cnf)  select @@sql_mode; shows :  STRICT_TRANS_TABLES  .. yet an application complains that the DB does not have STRICT_TRANS_TABLES. but If I do  SET GLOBAL sql_mode = ""; the application ceases to complain. any idea please?
[12:52] <ikonia> yancho: ask in #mysql
[12:52] <dumbl3d0re> I want to use (mebi)bytes when assigning storage. I'll also use LVM with encryption. What's the best way to do this?
[12:52] <cfhowlett> !lvm | dumbl3d0re
[12:52] <kk4ewt> LinuxNovice,  all distros now adays have live isos make some ussbkeys and try them out
[12:52] <etronik> how do i do a xkill on 16.04 ?
[12:52] <ikonia> dumbl3d0re: I think you're going to make a problem doing that
[12:52] <ducasse> dumbl3d0re: use the server or mini image to install
[12:53] <dumbl3d0re> ikonia: I.e. it's not possible with Ubuntu? :(
[12:53] <etronik> I've got a videoporama with a stuck  rendering window  and can't close it out...
[12:53] <ikonia> dumbl3d0re: totally possible
[12:53] <dumbl3d0re> ducasse: Aah, TUI interface?
[12:54] <dumbl3d0re> What's the difference between the mini.iso and the netinst edition?
[12:54] <ducasse> dumbl3d0re: yep, but more fine-grained control/more options
[12:54] <ducasse> dumbl3d0re: none.
[12:55] <dumbl3d0re> ducasse: Okey, thank you!
[12:56] <ducasse> dumbl3d0re: np :)
[12:56] <dumbl3d0re> Just to confirm - it's the `mini.iso` file in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ that I should use?
[12:57] <ikonia> you're going to have problems doing this......
[12:57] <dumbl3d0re> ikonia: Why?
[12:57] <ducasse> dumbl3d0re: or the server image if you want base packages on the stick.
[12:59] <LinuxNovice> ok. I'll do that.
[12:59] <dumbl3d0re> ducasse: Has it any practical implications chosing the server edition over mini? I'm need to download `ubuntu-desktop` either way.
[13:00] <soralin> Hey all, is this a good room to ask for help diagnosing a problem that keeps freezing my computer? Im running ubuntu 16.04
[13:00] <cfhowlett> soralin, yes.  details??
[13:01] <soralin> alright well I've done x86 memtest, triple pass no problems
[13:01] <soralin> my SSD I run off of is still pretty new, 100% health
[13:01] <bekks> soralin: How long did you run it?
[13:01] <soralin> overnight
[13:01] <ducasse> dumbl3d0re: the server image has base packages in the image
[13:01] <bekks> soralin: what exactly does freeze?
[13:01] <soralin> Im running an AMD R9 380 and an i7 4770, but my mobo is an acer stock piece of junk
[13:02] <soralin> but it runs windows no problem no freezing, only ubuntu freezes'
[13:02] <dn> How about the INTEL SSD ?
[13:02] <soralin> its a full lock except I can use my mouse, but oddly my audio keeps going for about 15 seconds before dying
[13:02] <soralin> its a samsung
[13:02] <soralin> SSD
[13:02] <bekks> So its not a "full lock", since you can use your mouse ;)
[13:03] <bekks> Check the logs in /var/log/ after reboot.
[13:03] <dumbl3d0re> ducasse: Looking up some forum threads about the topic. Seems that the server edition mimicks the debian installer most? Going with that it seems.
[13:03] <soralin> I can use my mouse for the 15 seconds or so while audio keeps going, then a full freeze
[13:03] <soralin> both my syslog and cronlog show nothing for me :(
[13:03] <soralin> and crash folder is empty
[13:03] <ducasse> dumbl3d0re: it's built on that, but it's the same installer on the mini image.
[13:04] <soralin> alt+ctrl+f1 durign the lock blacks out my screens and completely locks the system, just black, and once I do that alt+ctrl+f7 does nothing
[13:04] <dn> have you ever install the Xorg?
[13:04] <soralin> finally, I have conky running and my CPU and GPU are running at fine temps in the 50~60 range
[13:05] <dumbl3d0re> ducasse: Okey. According to a post the mini iso doesn't contain tasksel. Is that correct? Or does it install tasksel during the installation?
[13:06] <soralin> I actually was getting these lock ups from the very start, even a fresh install of ubuntu, just watching videos on VLC I'd lock up rarely
[13:06] <ducasse> dumbl3d0re: not sure, tbh. personally i always use the server image.
[13:06] <soralin> but now I sometimes get the lockup after only running for 15min, sometimes after 4 hours, it's kinda random
[13:07] <bekks> soralin: Check the logs in /var/log/ after reboot.
[13:07] <soralin> my 5v and 12v lines of my PSU are also perfectly fine, it's a brand new PSU I bought 2 months ago
[13:07] <soralin> I did, both syslog and cronlog have nothing right before the crash
[13:07] <bekks> soralin: "brand new" doesnt mean "fine" ;)
[13:07] <soralin> I checked my 5v and 12v lines with a gauge, they're solid
[13:08] <bekks> soralin: Did you check your logs?
[13:08] <soralin> yeah there's nothing right before the crash that stands out, just cron scheduled tasks
[13:08] <glitchd> anyone know of a good remote mouse/keyboard program to use?
[13:08] <glitchd> i tried synergy, and its just not working
[13:08] <bekks> glitchd: nxserver/nxclient
[13:09] <soralin> so at this point Im totally lost, not sure what else to look at
[13:09] <allamoox> Hello
[13:09] <soralin> oh I also took the time to set up postfix and cron isn't mailing me any crashes either
[13:10] <Kimmy92> anirban somehow  the tray icon showed up now after installing steam and rebooting xD
[13:10] <allamoox> I installed ubuntu 16.4 TLS, I allowd Canonical softwares .. I installed flashplayer
[13:10] <glitchd> bekks,  do you know if that program is cross linux platform?
[13:10] <allamoox> but still when I open firefox the flash is not installed
[13:10] <allamoox> any idea???
[13:10] <soralin> you think at this point it might just be my mobo itself? Its 5 years old
[13:10] <soralin> the only thing that makes me question that is windows doesn't crash, if it was mobo windows would prolly freeze up sometimes and BSOD on me too, right?
[13:11] <anirban> That's good, Kimmy92 :D
[13:12] <dumbl3d0re> ducasse: Thank you! Going to do some more digging before I go ahead and install Ubuntu.
[13:13] <tehemot> Guys... my bluetooth at Ubuntu 16.04 LTS dont see bt speaker... other divices see him. How to repair it ?
[13:14] <soralin> Im not sure where else there is to check for logs of what mightve crashed me other than syslog, cronlog, and the crash folder
[13:14] <soralin> is there another log I can check?
[13:15] <dn> soralin I'm sorry that, Maybe you can google how to fix the problam
[13:16] <soralin> thats what got me this far
[13:16] <soralin> and all the things for me to check had nothing for me
[13:16] <tehemot> my bt is Bus 005 Device 002: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode), my br speaker is JBL GO
[13:16] <ducasse> soralin: journalctl, but you need to enable persistent logging
[13:17] <vahe> hi all, help pls /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lvorbisfile
[13:17] <dn> soralin  maybe some server cause the problam
[13:18] <dumbl3d0re> ducasse: I'm going with the server image because of this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD#mini_system_in_UEFI_mode
[13:18] <cblokland> Hello, I am using ubuntu 16.04 and compiz is eating more and more memory over time. After running unity --replace it is temporarily fixed and memory usage decreases with 4GB. Some advice would be really nice since this affects all my applications because they get slow when repainting windows etc
[13:18] <cfhowlett> dumbl3d0re, also note #ubuntu-server
[13:18] <dumbl3d0re> cfhowlett: Thank you! :)
[13:19] <cfhowlett> happy2help! dumbl3d0re
[13:20] <soralin> journalctl will log stuff syslog will miss?
[13:21] <ducasse> soralin: journal contains _everything_, and is easy to sort + filter stuff.
[13:21] <soralin> ok cool, Ill set that up then and see if it gives me some hints
[13:22] <ducasse> soralin: you need to create /var/log/journal (and maybe restart journald), then you can use 'journalctl -b1' to see all messages from last boot after a crash
[13:23] <ducasse> previous boot, i mean
[13:23] <soralin> roger, Ill also take the time to set up max volume size and stuff, Im reading some guides on it right now
[13:23] <soralin> very useful tool, this is what I was looking for :)
[13:24] <ducasse> soralin: sometimes the system crashes so suddenly it has no possibility to log anything, though.
[13:24] <soralin> what do I do then?
[13:26] <ducasse> soralin: there's nothing you can do, the kernel has died, with no time to tell you why.
[13:27] <soralin> thatd be normally a hardware issue no?
[13:27] <soralin> also I literally just need to set #Storage=persistent in the config file and Im good to go, right?
[13:27] <cfhowlett> I wouldn't say that.  not enough info to give you an informed guess
[13:28] <ducasse> soralin: or a driver has freaked out and dragged the kernel down with it.
[13:28] <ducasse> soralin: create /var/log/journal
[13:29] <soralin> is journal a file or folder?
[13:29] <ducasse> soralin: folder
[13:29] <soralin> kk
[13:29] <ducasse> soralin: journald will set the right perms
[13:31] <soralin> sudo mkdir /var/log/journal
[13:31] <soralin> right?
[13:31] <ducasse> soralin: yes
[13:31] <MoldavianPeople> sudo mkdir -p?
[13:31] <ducasse> /var/log exists
[13:31] <MoldavianPeople> soralin, does /var/log exist?
[13:31] <soralin> yup
[13:31] <soralin> it worked cool
[13:32] <soralin> and permissions dont need to be configured or anything? default is good?
[13:32] <ducasse> soralin: as i said, journald sets them itself
[13:33] <soralin> kk then systemctl restart systemd-journald now?
[13:33] <raviloop> hello
[13:33] <raviloop> how can i configure tomcat in ubuntu
[13:34] <raviloop> i treid installing it but when i started configuring its saying "permission denied"
[13:34] <ducasse> soralin: yup
[13:34] <soralin> ravi did you sudo?
[13:34] <MoldavianPeople> how can i make sure an app's window is always on a specific viewport? ccsm settings sometimes dont work. if you know, call me by my name
[13:34] <soralin> ok done and done ducasse
[13:34] <raviloop> yes
[13:34] <raviloop> sudo what?
[13:34] <soralin> sudo <command> means to do it as admin, and itll ask for your password
[13:35] <raviloop> yes
[13:35] <MoldavianPeople> watch out for the PATH
[13:35] <raviloop> http://askubuntu.com/questions/777342/how-to-install-tomcat-9
[13:35] <raviloop> i followed the steps mentioned in that link
[13:35] <raviloop> soralin can we discuss this somewhere else , i dont find this chatroom comfortable ?
[13:36] <raviloop> step 4: configuring environmental variable : in this step i'm not able to set it
[13:36] <soralin> what command did you get the permission denied on?
[13:36] <raviloop> echo "export CATALINA_HOME="/opt/tomcat9"" >> /etc/environment
[13:36] <raviloop> this command
[13:36] <MoldavianPeople> soralin, do you speak Romanian?
[13:36] <soralin> I do not, sorry
[13:37] <OerHeks> !ro
[13:37] <MoldavianPeople> thank you, OerHeks
[13:37] <ducasse> raviloop: you need to do that as root, run 'sudo -i' first. then ctrl+d when you've done the three echo lines.
[13:38] <nik> hello
[13:38] <nik> how are u
[13:38] <soralin> oh random question ducasse, is there a way to permenantly admin myself so I am always sudo and never have to type it again?
[13:38] <nik> ..
[13:38] <soralin> or is that just considered super poor form and a bad idea
[13:39] <raviloop> let me try ducasse
[13:39] <raviloop> that
[13:39] <ducasse> soralin: that is just a bad idea.
[13:39] <soralin> aw, ok fair enough lol\
[13:39] <MoldavianPeople> soralin, you could set a sudo timeout
[13:39] <soralin> is there at leats a way to make it so my terminal stops asking for my password when I sudo?
[13:40] <ducasse> soralin: look for NOPASSWD in the sudoers man page
[13:41] <MoldavianPeople> i have a timeout of a few hours
[13:41] <cfhowlett> worth repeating, soralin ; bad idea.  BAD.
[13:42] <soralin> why is that CFH?
[13:42] <bekks> soralin: in case you really want it, you can use sudo -i
[13:42] <MoldavianPeople> how can i make sure an app's window is always on a specific viewport? ccsm settings sometimes dont work. if you know, call me by my name
[13:43] <cfhowlett> soralin, having to enter the password makes you have to actually think at regular intervals.   there are few feelings more crushing than having muscle memoried in some command that nukes your system because you juiced yourself on jolt/mountain dew/coffee and turned off password warnings.
[13:44] <soralin> ah well, fair enough, but this is just my personal PC that I wouldnt care much if I even did that
[13:44] <soralin> there's nothing important on this computer, its just for getting used to ubuntu on
[13:45]  * cfhowlett thinks, right.  He says that NOW, but ...
[13:45] <soralin> I have my big poppa computer that my real stuff is on on the other side of the room
[13:49] <soralin> I actually still have 1 test left I can do to try and sort this problem out
[13:49] <soralin> I can swap GPUs with my gf's computer, she has a 750 ti, see if I stop crashing when I switch to that
[13:50] <soralin> oh right another hint at the problem I forgot, though when I freeze I can move my mouse
[13:50] <SchrodingersScat> soralin: and there's 'sudo -i' which will let you run commands interactively, but same warning as above that you need to be aware of what you're doing, the implications, have backups, etc.
[13:50] <soralin> Im on a dual screen setup, and I cant move my mouse off the current screen post freeze
[13:50] <telboon> anyone has any http-server based music player to recommend?
[13:51] <soralin> everything on the screen freezes too, including the clock and all video, but audio keeps on going
[13:52] <SchrodingersScat> !info pianobar | telboon
[13:54] <telboon> thanks SchrodingersScat. currently im already using cmus for console based music player
[13:54] <telboon> looking for one with http server control functionality
[13:54] <SchrodingersScat> telboon: my real question is what are you trying to do?  Host a server and read from it? or read from something already existing?
[13:54] <SchrodingersScat> etc
[13:55] <telboon> SchrodingersScat: i'm trying to control my single-board computer (CHIP) to play music while having the ability to control it over http
[13:55] <telboon> cmus is my current solution to control using ssh
[13:56] <telboon> but kinda tired of logging in everytime to play music
[13:56] <SchrodingersScat> have you tried an MPD? can control it from apps and software, mopidy was a really easy one to setup but there's probably a few
[13:58] <ducasse> soralin: i suspect a gpu or gpu driver issue, but i really don't know.
[13:59] <soralin> Id say driver is more likely
[13:59] <soralin> Im just running the ubuntu AMD driver that comes preinstalled and as part of the update
[13:59] <bekks> soralin: why "more likely"?
[13:59] <soralin> because I dont crash when I run windows
[14:01] <telboon> SchrodingersScat: ah. i found a solution. http://ampache.org/. It has a webfront for controls
[14:01] <telboon> thanks so much for the help though SchrodingersScat :)
[14:03] <DiamondSword> hello..
[14:04] <SchrodingersScat> telboon: yeah, i use a nextcloud app that has ampache in it, does ok.
[14:04] <DiamondSword> does anyone know what will happen to unity 7 when 8 is released ?
[14:04] <soralin> anmywho, cheers everyone, take care and thanks for all the help
[14:04] <DiamondSword> any official voices about it?
[14:05] <OerHeks> DiamondSword, what do you think?
[14:05] <DiamondSword> because I not much like 8 series as I see on Popescu Sorin's videos.
[14:05] <DiamondSword> OerHeks, I don't want them to drop unity 7..
[14:05] <OerHeks> oh, unity8/mir is in development
[14:05] <cfhowlett> DiamondSword, no one knows.  relax and wait.
[14:05] <DiamondSword> hmh.
[14:06] <qkzoo1978> Whenever I copy a good sized list of files using the GUI file manager, I never see a progress window, this a bug?
[14:06] <qkzoo1978> Using Ubuntu 16.04
[14:06] <DiamondSword> my assumption: unity 7 and ubuntu 16.04 will be the most used ubuntu lts. :)
[14:07] <OerHeks> qkzoo1978, normally you should see a progressbar
[14:07] <qkzoo1978> @OerHeks, that's what I thought, but I don't.
[14:07] <OerHeks> qkzoo1978, try alt-tab during copying
[14:08] <qkzoo1978> I will try that, thank you.
[14:10] <DiamondSword> qkzoo1978, that once happened to me, progress bar disappears and not coming back. but luckily you can see the file transfer situation on the file on the launcher.
[14:10] <DiamondSword> *file icon
[14:16] <qkzoo1978> DiamondSword Ok, I think I see what you mean, that little tiny progress bar on the launcher icon. That's a nice little trick to see if it is still copying, but still, how do I get back the actual progress bar?
[14:19] <svip> My dist upgrade (not dist-upgrade) seems to have stalled.  Or rather, X seems iffy.  All programs appear to be stopped.  And the upgrade-program is now just black.
[14:19] <svip> It apparently was half-way there, and was unpacking font-guru.
[14:20] <svip> Or something.
[14:20] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:20] <svip> Oh nevermind.
[14:20] <svip> Moving the window woke it up again.
[14:22] <DiamondSword> qkzoo1978, I don't know how to get back it, when it happened to me I followed the icon on the launcher because I was copy/pasting a big file.
[14:23] <qkzoo1978> DiamondSword, ok, well, that's a bummer.
[14:24] <qkzoo1978> I'm just frustrated, because I don't know if it's still actually copying or it hung up.
[14:26] <MonkeyDust> qkzoo1978  right click on the launcher icon > show progress bar (or similar)
[14:27] <qkzoo1978> MonkeyDust Thanks. I feel incredibly stupid now.
[14:34] <qkzoo1978> One other thing. When I press the left alt on the unity desktop, I don't see the popup keyboard shortcuts window anymore.
[14:35] <ducasse> qkzoo1978: shouldn't that be the 'windows' key?
[14:36] <qkzoo1978> "windows" key opens dash
[14:36] <ducasse> sorry, i don't use unity :)
[14:36] <qkzoo1978> Ah
[14:36] <svip> Wait what.
[14:37] <qkzoo1978> Ya, tapping Alt is supposed to popup the unity help page thing; https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i.stack.imgur.com/pf1y5.png&imgrefurl=http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/what-are-unitys-keyboard-and-mouse-shortcuts&h=1280&w=1920&tbnid=zM-HdBgmOr1oIM:&vet=1&tbnh=160&tbnw=240&docid=1LdfqGbdcxif2M&usg=__BBhwvO5ieCosk5TBoxKBX5_PckU=&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj7j8-0hbXQAhUJqVQKHR6lCmUQ9QEIHzAA
[14:37] <svip> It said the upgrade was complete, but  errors had occurred during the process.
[14:37] <lordcirth> qkzoo1978, holding Windows key shows the shortcuts, for me
[14:37] <svip> Then it just vanished!
[14:37] <svip> Should I restart?!
[14:37] <ducasse> svip: wait
[14:37] <ducasse> svip: try 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' first
[14:38] <svip> Oh noes, unmet dependencies.
[14:38] <ducasse> svip: ah, fun times :)
[14:38] <ducasse> svip: pastebin?
[14:39] <svip> ducasse: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23500561/
[14:40] <emersont1> hi
[14:41] <emersont1> what is the name/path of the default X11 display?
[14:41] <ducasse> svip: ok, try 'sudo apt-get install -f'
[14:42] <black_> join #rc3ctf
[14:42] <svip> ducasse: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23500570/
[14:43] <svip> Although, not entirely sure what vmware is doing.
[14:44] <ducasse> svip: messing things up, by the look of it. not installed from a .deb, i guess?
[14:44] <svip> Maybe?  I cannot remember.  I definitely don't use it anymore.
[14:45] <ducasse> svip: try the vmware uninstall script, then apt-get install -f once more.
[14:46] <svip> ducasse: That worked.
[14:47] <ducasse> svip: ok, run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[14:47] <svip> It's apparently already doing that.
[14:47] <svip> After it could install PPP, it decided to install all the packages remaining.
[14:47] <ducasse> svip: ok, do a dist-upgrade when finished to make sure.
[14:47] <svip> But I will run it afterwards, anyway.
[14:48] <svip> Just to make sure.
[14:48] <svip> Ooh, I'm gonna get a 4.x kernel now.
[14:50] <ducasse> svip: yup, 4.4, and soon 4.8 will be available :)
[14:50] <svip> I just recently had fun installing a 2.2.
[14:50] <svip> (We wanted a Linux distro that could fit on a floppy.)
[14:50] <svip> Sorry to say, but that was not Ubuntu.
[14:54] <MoldavianPeople> how can i make sure an app's window is always on a specific viewport? ccsm settings sometimes dont work. if you know, call me by my name
[14:57] <MonkeyDust> what's the command again, to know the number of 'hops'?
[14:57] <ducasse> traceroute
[14:57] <MonkeyDust> tnx
[14:58] <CtrlC> Which package does contain lsmod command?
[14:58] <ducasse> CtrlC: kmod
[14:58] <CtrlC> thanks
[14:58] <Wirehunter> !info lsmod
[15:00] <x6rineze9x> meow
[15:04] <CrackedCracker> Hello. I was looking for image viewer with exif data viewer (preferably + editor), something with similar capabilities as default windows image viewer, but couldn't find anything.
[15:04] <CrackedCracker> Could you guys recommend me anything?
[15:05] <ducasse> CrackedCracker: i think shotwell can do that, but it's probably overkill for what you want.
[15:07] <salamanderrake> Is this PPA dead? https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa hasn't updated the drivers in over a month.
[15:10] <ducasse> salamanderrake: looks like the last build was 2,5 hours ago
[15:10] <salamanderrake> oh, ok cool.
[15:17] <jurislav> hello
[15:17] <jurislav> anyone willing to help with ubuntu server + dual NIC issue? vlans involved, perhaps
[15:18] <jurislav> (assuming this is the right channel for server..?)
[15:18] <ducasse> jurislav: try #ubuntu-server, but it might be very quiet now
[15:20] <jurislav> ducasse: it is :/
[15:20] <lordcirth> jurislav, don't ask to ask
[15:21] <jurislav> lordcirth: true.. so I have a dual NIC server setup with a simple issue - until I setup vlans on cisco switch and plugged each nic to swtich ports with different vlans, all was fine
[15:21] <jurislav> after that, I can only reach one of the nics, but not the other
[15:22] <lordcirth> jurislav, you cannot reach one of the NICs from a host on the same vlan as it?
[15:22] <jurislav> funny thing is, if I plug a different device (RPi in my case), it works fine
[15:22] <jurislav> lordcirth: different vlan
[15:22] <CSWookie> Hey, folks.  I've got a .deb here that requires another .deb that requires a BOATLOAD of garbage I don't need, is there some way for me to say, "no really, I'm gonna run Chrome in a frame buffer, I do not need ALSA"?
[15:23] <lordcirth> CSWookie, you can disable recommends
[15:23] <CSWookie> Thanks, lordcirth, I'll look into that.
[15:23] <lordcirth> CSWookie, --no-install-recommends
[15:24] <lordcirth> jurislav, so what is supposed to be routing between these vlans?
[15:24] <jurislav> lordcirth: routing is handled by a mikrotik router
[15:24] <lordcirth> jurislav, which is connected to a trunk/tagged port on the switch?
[15:24] <CSWookie> I'll definitely give that a shot.  I'm trying to make a vagrant config for a selenium node, and I want it to be as quick to set up and as small as possible.
[15:24] <patrick_> Hello. I haven't used Linux in years, ask and I might have to ask a few questions, is this an ok channel to do that when I need to? Or is there another recommneded channel for that?
[15:24] <jurislav> correct
[15:24] <patrick_> *and
[15:24] <lordcirth> patrick_, this is the Ubuntu support channel
[15:24] <patrick_> ok cool. I'm on Ubuntu
[15:25] <lordcirth> jurislav, what about routes on the server?  It's possible that when you contact the 2nd nic, the reply is coming out the other and getting lost
[15:25] <jurislav> lordcirth: the port the problematic NIC is connected to, is an access port, so I guess there is no need for VLAN setup on the server
[15:26] <jurislav> lordcirth: that might be the issue
[15:26] <jurislav> problem is, I got stuck at managig routes
[15:26] <lordcirth> jurislav, yes, if the switch port is access/untagged, the server doesn't need to understand vlans
[15:27] <jurislav> lordcirth: would route -n help understanding my issue?
[15:28] <jurislav> or perhaps you can just tell me what the setup *should* look like?
[15:28] <lordcirth> jurislav, can you pastebin 'ip route' or yeah, 'route -n' with some comments about what NIC is what
[15:30] <jurislav> lordcirth: ok, hangon
[15:31] <jurislav> lordcirth: http://pastebin.com/z6s6ytAV
[15:31] <jurislav> hope it's descriptive enough
[15:32] <jurislav> i think your suggestion is right, just can't figure out the setup and how to achieve it
[15:32] <lordcirth> jurislav, thanks.  Also, when you try to reach it, what happens?  No response? No route to host?
[15:33] <jurislav> "request timed out" on windows machine
[15:33] <lordcirth> jurislav, what is the IP of the machine you are trying to connect from? 192.168.142.x ?
[15:33] <jurislav> correct, .142.x
[15:33] <lordcirth> jurislav, with ping or what?
[15:33] <jurislav> yes, ping
[15:34] <lordcirth> jurislav, and you are pinging 140?
[15:34] <jurislav> yes
[15:34] <jurislav> other 140.x addresses (mikrotik, switch..) are pinging fine
[15:35] <jurislav> and, like I said, a single-NIC device also pings fine
[15:35] <lordcirth> jurislav, when the packet hits eno1 and the networking stack replies, the route to a 142 address goes out br2
[15:35] <jurislav> lordcirth: that is our issue, I guess
[15:35] <lordcirth> asymmetric routes
[15:36] <jurislav> now - whar are the correct routes for my setup and how to achieve that?
[15:36] <jurislav> what*
[15:37] <lordcirth> jurislav, a coworker of mine ran into this at work.  He made a routing table for eth1 that had the proper gateway, then in /etc/network/interfaces had iptables match on anything coming in eth1 and use the special routing table
[15:37] <lordcirth> So that anything coming in eth1 went out eth1
[15:37] <jurislav> (plus, just for my understanding, correct me if i am wrong - if the issue was somewhere else in the network, the error message would be "host unreachable" or similar)
[15:38] <lordcirth> jurislav, host unreachable is returned by routers (a gateway along the path) when they can't find that host on their network
[15:39] <lordcirth> or by a host
[15:39] <jurislav> nevermind then, let's get back to the solution
[15:39] <lordcirth> jurislav, silence coming back is usually a sign of either a firewall, or asymmetric routes
[15:39] <jurislav> is your coleague's approach the correct way to address the problem?
[15:40] <jurislav> (ufw status = inactive on the server. i guess that means we can rule the firewall issue out..?)
[15:40] <lordcirth> jurislav, as far as I know, it's that, or stop doing this rather strange routing
[15:41] <lordcirth> why do you want a 142 host to connect to the 140 nic, anyway?
[15:41] <jurislav> lordcirth: this interests me - how else do you suggest to have VMs on the server in different VLANs than the host management interface or other VMs on the host?
[15:42] <jurislav> for me, there is nothing wrong about inter-vlan routing. i guess that also involves reaching 140.x node from 142.x client
[15:42] <lordcirth> jurislav, ah, I see
[15:43] <CrackedCracker> sorry to ask second time, but do any of you know image viewer with exif data editor?
[15:43] <lordcirth> jurislav, no, the wierd part is having a vlan 142 host connect to the vlan 140 nic of a server that also has a nic on vlan 142, thus causing default routing to break
[15:43] <jurislav> again, correct me if I got all this wrong. i am kinda new to this :)
[15:43] <everson> Anyone here play cs:go on steam on 16.04? Getting sound looping / freezing issues and game just crashes.
[15:43] <lordcirth> You can totally do it, though.
[15:44] <jatt> CrackedCracker: gimp
[15:44] <lordcirth> Like I said, we had a similar problem at work.  But then our routing is kinda a mess
[15:44] <guest555> hello
[15:44] <jurislav> lordcirth: so general best practice is to have physical server (and all its VMs) on a single VLAN, correct?
[15:45] <lordcirth> jurislav, well normally you'd have a management iface, and then a tagged/trunk port for all the VMs
[15:45] <lordcirth> That way you have more flexibility
[15:45] <jurislav> lordcirth: or perhaps a single NIC with tagged vlans would help instead of 2 NICs..?
[15:46] <CrackedCracker> jatt: nothing like windows default photo viewer? it was pretty convinient, i thought something similar should exist on linux
[15:46] <lordcirth> jurislav, or a single NIC, yes, but it's common to have a separate management NIC so you don't lock yourself out while tinkering with VM routing
[15:46] <guest555> on the VLAN topic (sorry I just joined and lost the history) - I am trying to get the a linux bridge to send tagged packets out a physical NIC, but the frames are having their TAG removed. the odd part is tcpdump shows the VLAN tags on the packets, but my switch on the other end only shows packets without any VLAN tags
[15:47] <jurislav> lordcirth: i think I understand now
[15:47] <jurislav> thanks a lot
[15:47] <lordcirth> jurislav, no problem.  tricky stuff, eh?
[15:47] <guest555> i havent specified any subinterface, i just attached enp2s0 to mybridge0, and the VM is also bridged to the same place. The VM sends tagged packets out VNET0, and tcpdump also shows packets being sent out enp2s0 with TAG, but switch sees no TAGs
[15:47] <guest555> any light greatly appreciated
[15:48] <jurislav> kinda :) it makes sense, though, once I understand it
[15:48] <lordcirth> guest555, this *may* be useful: http://serverfault.com/questions/414115/linux-vlans-over-bridge#414127
[15:49] <fullscreen> how can i be sure any app's window appears on a specific viewport? sometimes, ccsm settings dont work.
[15:49] <fullscreen> thanks in advance
[15:50] <serard> Hello
[15:50] <emersont1> hi serard
[15:51] <serard> Anyone knows a CA server software that I can host myself (running on top of nginx or apache2 or whatever) that would deliver CA certs and perms + shell scripts for installing them as trusted CAs ? :)
[15:52] <jurislav> guest555: just a shot in the dark, in case you haven't found the article before - http://blog.davidvassallo.me/2012/05/05/kvm-brctl-in-linux-bringing-vlans-to-the-guests/
[15:52] <emersont1> nope sorry, idek what a CA is
[15:52] <guest555> lordcirth: thanks. i do need to allow a big range for VMs to be allocated. that post is suggesting to add individual VLANs.
[15:52] <guest555> lordcirth: oh let me check this second link out
[15:52] <lordcirth> serard, like accepting a pubkey, making a cert, and installing it?
[15:54] <serard> lordcirth, hmm, somehow yes; plus api endpoint to create certs for new devices
[15:54] <serard> and handling revoking, etc
[15:54] <serard> yes
[15:55] <lordcirth> serard, something like this? http://pki.fedoraproject.org/wiki/PKI_Main_Page
[15:55] <lordcirth> serard, the keyword you may have been missing to search for is 'PKI'
[15:56] <lordcirth> serard, or https://www.ejbca.org/
[15:57] <ktuser> helo. why cant i see my wifi icon?
[15:58] <JohnMcClain> I guess I should hang out in #ubuntu-server if I'm using this as a webserver?
[15:58] <PonyLover> hello
[15:59] <lordcirth> JohnMcClain, yes, but you may need to ask here as well, as it's not as full
[16:00] <ktuser> anyone?
[16:00] <ducasse> ktuser: try running "nm-applet &"
[16:00] <emersont1> what DM are you?
[16:02] <serard> lordcirth, thank you very much !!
[16:02] <lordcirth> serard, no problem
[16:04] <quesada> hi all. I'm shopping for a laptop. Is a Qualcomm Atheros QC61x4 Wireless a horrible idea? I know qualcomm is not linux-friendly, but maybe the workarounds nowadays are sorta ok
[16:05] <ktuser> no joy
[16:06] <raviloop_> still i can't configure tomcat
[16:06] <raviloop_> in ubuntu
[16:06] <raviloop_> its very difficult
[16:06] <raviloop_> is there any easy guide to i t
[16:06] <lordcirth> quesada, according to this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/661424/ubuntu-14-04-wireless-not-working-no-network-interface-atheros-168c003e-dev
[16:06] <raviloop_> where to create directory and stuff
[16:06] <lordcirth> quesada, you just need to install linux-firmware package in 15.10 +
[16:07] <raviloop_> anyone there?
[16:07] <raviloop_> to help me out
[16:08] <lordcirth> raviloop_, https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/tomcat.html ?
[16:11] <fullscreen> how can i be sure any app's window appears on a specific viewport? sometimes, ccsm settings dont work. thanks in advance.
[16:12] <explosive> fullscreen: wmctrl
[16:14] <J0BLA> damn openvpn where i put this keepalive so it will reconnect if i disconnect any?
[16:16] <fullscreen> explosive, it doesnt work with viewports
[16:16] <explosive> fullscreen: it should
[16:17] <yocs0000> hi! I have tried installing drupal using repository, but it does not seem to work
[16:17] <yocs0000> sudo apt-get install drupal does install all the dependecies and configures the database
[16:17] <yocs0000> but then, when you do http://localhost, nothing happens
[16:17] <yocs0000> and when you do http://localhost/drupal configurtion starts from scratch and it is drupal 8 non 7
[16:17] <fullscreen> explosive, dont confuse desktops with viewports
[16:18] <explosive> fullscreen: viewports are workspaces right?
[16:18] <fullscreen> theyre not the same thing, explosive
[16:18] <explosive> fullscreen: so viewports aren't workspaces?
[16:19] <fullscreen> viewports aren't workspaces
[16:20] <explosive> fullscreen: ok
[16:20] <fullscreen> explosive, if you succeed in moving a window to a specific viewport, please paste the command
[16:23] <explosive> fullscreen: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/programming-9/bash-script-for-automatic-viewport-changing-and-other-wm-stuff-works-with-compiz-838827/
[16:24] <fullscreen> explosive, 2010 and 2011
[16:24] <explosive> ?
[16:25] <fullscreen> xdotool doesnt work either
[16:25] <explosive> wmctrl should work
[16:25] <fullscreen> wmctrl cant move a window to a viewport
[16:25] <explosive> fullscreen: man wmctrl
[16:25] <fullscreen> i did that already
[16:25] <fullscreen> if you know better, please paste the command
[16:26] <fullscreen> i use wmctrl to keep my windows fullscreen
[16:29] <ioria> fullscreen, activated the 'Put' plugin in ccsm ?
[16:30] <fullscreen> ioria, ccsm does its job with placing windows in viewports indicated by me
[16:30] <fullscreen> its just that sometimes it fails
[16:30] <PS> Hey
[16:31] <PS> I just installed Ubuntu on my Lenovo T430 and my CPU always sits at 100% load because of "gvfsd-smb"
[16:32] <ikonia> PS: do you have it trying to automount network shares
[16:32] <ikonia> my 430s works faultlessly
[16:33] <lordcirth> PS, are you using samba for anything?
[16:33] <PS> lordcirth: I have no idea. I just installed it
[16:33] <PS> and my notebook is running hot and fans are on max
[16:34] <PS> I didn't do anything except a clean install
[16:34] <lordcirth> PS, https://itsfoss.com/fix-gvfsd-smb-high-cpu-ubuntu/#
[16:34] <PS> Alright thanks I try it out
[16:35] <lordcirth> PS, actually, the comments say the bug report has better fixes
[16:35] <lordcirth> PS, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1303300
[16:35] <ioria> PS update and upgrade , firts
[16:35] <ioria> *first
[16:35] <aruns> ioria: Second.
[16:35] <aruns> ;)
[16:36] <ioria> [°_°]
[16:36] <Guest86803> My Wacom Bamboo graphic tablet only works fully if I start gimp with sudo. Does anybody know how to troubleshoot this?
[16:37] <lordcirth> Guest86803, if you run gimp as yourself, does it print error messages?
[16:37] <Guest86803> lordrith: in the settings it says: Permission denied
[16:38] <lordcirth> Guest86803, does it say what for?
[16:39] <Guest86803> lordcirth: ahh and yes there is an error message when started via the terminal. Just a sec...
[16:40] <PS> I think that fixed it
[16:41] <jurislav> lordcirth: i *think* i set up everything as recommended, though still can't get the VM on the bridge to respond to pings (same "request timeout" error)
[16:42] <jurislav> firgive me if I am missing something - can easily happen, as I spent way too much time over this..
[16:42] <timegirls> scale. We know Jews were in white countries prior to other non-whites, so Jews brought the non-whites in to harm and damage the only race capable of stopping them (whites). In my view, the slave trade was the start of spreading around the blacks.﻿
[16:43] <Guest86803> lordcirth error message was just because a few files in .gimp-2.8 were owned by root after starting it with root, but the problem remains
[16:45] <jurislav> ah, forgot to make the switch port trunked.. i kinda thought that if I want just a single vlan through there, it's fine with no tagging..?
[16:45] <Guest86803> lordcirth after changing some more permission in ~/.gimp-2.8 it works now. Thanks for asking the right question!
[16:47] <lordcirth> Guest86803, yeah, never start a graphical program as root, except for a few like gparted.  If they write some file as root, it takes ages to debug
[16:50] <haydenpr> SCOTT ROBERTS SPEAKS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=418AlZJNodY
[16:58] <Vuurdraak_> hi all,  p-stages and turbo core stages are set by the motherboard not ? (all though there is a set p-stages by software in the bios) , "sudo modprobe msr ; sudo turbostat" doesn't show me anything beyond my base frequency, even though in Windows I see the cpu go to higher Mhz
[16:59] <Vuurdraak_> should i be worried ?
[16:59] <DataAdmin> this about only root can listen to port 80. Just feels as if i need a web proxy cus running my app as root feels not safe
[17:01] <backbox> yo
[17:02] <MonkeyDust> Vuurdraak_  how is that ubuntu relate?
[17:02] <MonkeyDust> d
[17:02] <ducasse> DataAdmin: afaik most webservers set up what they need and then drop non-essential priviliges
[17:02] <Vuurdraak_> im using ubuntu ? its in the repository ?
[17:02] <backbox> don't know
[17:02] <Vuurdraak_> turbostat is
[17:02] <ducasse> !backbox | backbox
[17:03] <MonkeyDust> Vuurdraak_  start from the beginning, what are you doing an what is your goal
[17:03] <Vuurdraak_> im wondering if turbostat is either not properly saying the cpu mhz or if turbo core is not working
[17:04] <MonkeyDust> !find turbostat
[17:04] <Vuurdraak_> as on websites people say turbostat should tell the right cpu frequency
[17:04] <DataAdmin> ducasse, if you are constantly redeploying an app manually. It feels wrong to login as root all the time.
[17:04] <DataAdmin> ducasse, as that would be required if the web-app runs on port 80
[17:04] <MonkeyDust> !find turbocore
[17:04] <Vuurdraak_> if turbo core works inside windows, it should do the same in ubuntu not ? its a hardware thingy ?
[17:05] <ducasse> DataAdmin: so, this is not a webserver as such?
[17:05] <Vuurdraak_> turbo core of the cpy
[17:05] <Vuurdraak_> cpu*
[17:05] <Thinkey> on
[17:05] <Vuurdraak_> !find turbostat
[17:06] <ducasse> DataAdmin: a server like apache does not actually run with full root privs
[17:06] <H`> Hi
[17:06] <DataAdmin> ducasse, its not like static pages and images.
[17:07] <ducasse> DataAdmin: i mean, it's not apache, nginx etc?
[17:07] <MonkeyDust> Vuurdraak_  i guess #ubuntu is not the right channel for that issue
[17:07] <DataAdmin> ducasse, no - its a webserver of its own
[17:07] <David_Hedlund> Can someone please give me an example of a notorious free software with Nonfree Assets?
[17:07] <DataAdmin> ducasse, what user is running apache then?
[17:08] <Vuurdraak_> so how do i know if ubuntu influences the turbo core of the fx cpu or not ?
[17:08] <tgm4883> David_Hedlund: RHEL
[17:09] <ducasse> DataAdmin: let's stick to your problem. does it have to run on port 80?
[17:11] <DataAdmin> ducasse, well mysite.com runs on port 80 as users will surf to that address
[17:11] <Vuurdraak_> i'm reading now that ubuntu does have switches to turn turbo core tech on/off, so i'm guessing it is turned of somehow
[17:12] <ducasse> DataAdmin: if the traffic comes through a roter you could redirect it to another port
[17:12] <ducasse> *router
[17:12] <DataAdmin> ducasse, its a digital ocean VPS - i dont think i can control such things there
[17:13] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: on mine it runs at turbo freq when necessary, that's it. no magic.
[17:13] <tgm4883> DataAdmin: you could do it in iptables, setup a proxy (via nginx or apache) or setup your webserver to drop priv
[17:14] <Vuurdraak_> it never seems to turn on when reading the mhz with: "sudo apt-get install cpufrequtils"
[17:14] <lordcirth> Vuurdraak_, my phenom II never seemed to turbo, so I disabled turbo and overclocked to the turbo frequency.  Works fine :)
[17:14] <Vuurdraak_> also when stressing the system
[17:14] <Vuurdraak_> oops
[17:14] <Vuurdraak_> sudo modprobe msr ; sudo turbostat
[17:14] <Vuurdraak_> with that
[17:16] <Vuurdraak_> i can try setting bapm to 1 as a kernel parm mybe and nomodeset is suggested somewhere
[17:17] <Vuurdraak_> mmm they talk about a gpu :'(
[17:21] <Vuurdraak_> mmm "[    1.414790] acpi-cpufreq: overriding BIOS provided _PSD data
[17:21] <Vuurdraak_> "
[17:23] <jatt> ping foo says
[17:23] <jatt> ping: dev1422.dev.e2open.com: Name or service not known
[17:31] <docmur> Is there a package or way I can have my network interfaces automatically show up as eth1 ... ethn instead of enp0s1 etc...?
[17:33] <DataAdmin> what does "shared private networking" really mean?
[17:34] <OerHeks> docmur, yes, you can disable predictable interface naming .. http://serverfault.com/questions/741210/disabling-predictable-network-interface-names-in-xubuntu-15-10 ( old tutor, still valid)
[17:34] <Vuurdraak_> mmm phoronix says that turbo core should be on for FX cpu's even if nothing in Linux tells that it's on, the only way to be sure if unsure , is benchmarking with turbo core disabled and enabled.
[17:34] <Vuurdraak_> which is what i'm going to do now ;) laters all have fun o/
[17:34] <docmur> Awesome :)
[17:34] <docmur> I have the exact problem in the post
[17:35] <OerHeks> docmur,  i would get used to it
[17:35] <OerHeks> PIN is a breeze for openstack/juju and other VM related deployments
[17:36] <Guest54471> hi people!
[17:37] <Welastevil> hi people!
[17:37] <Welastevil> news about ubuntu?
[17:38] <MonkeyDust> Welastevil  this is the support channel, better ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:38] <OerHeks> Welastevil, tons, good start http://fridge.ubuntu.com/
[17:40] <OerHeks> and https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/
[17:40] <Welastevil> thanks!
[17:42] <kubast2> Hey ,I can't install vbox guest additions even though the headers are installed
[17:42] <kostkon> Welastevil: and tons of unity 8 videos https://youtu.be/Q7maKQyWEQk if you are interested
[17:42] <kubast2> yet the installer all the time says that current running kernel headers aren't there
[17:42] <kostkon> here*
[17:43] <kubast2> gcc build-essential linux-headers$(uname -r) dkms installed
[17:50] <NoMiddle_> How can I find opensslvpn package for ubuntu?
[17:52] <OerHeks> isn't openvpn availble standard through networkmanager?
[17:53] <DJones> NoMiddle_: Just looked at http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=opensslvpn&searchon=names&suite=yakkety&section=all and doesn't look to be a valid package for Ubuntu
[17:53] <MarcoP> is there a opensslvpn?
[17:53] <NoMiddle_> OerHeks, I must connect to a fortigate with ssl encryption
[17:53] <MarcoP> i think your looking for something else
[17:54] <OerHeks> openvpn i guess ..
[17:54] <NoMiddle_> OerHeks, How can I found a torial for it?
[17:54] <NoMiddle_> tutorial*
[17:55] <Vuurdraak_> hi all again, i wanted to say that I'm blind: "sudo modprobe msr ; sudo turbostat" does show the cpu going turbo mode i was looking at the wrong numbers :D
[17:55] <Vuurdraak_> i have now seen it go above base in turbostat , thanks all who tried to help anyway
[17:56] <Vuurdraak_> so turbo core is working properly for my fx 8370e in ubuntu
[17:57] <OerHeks> Noi don't know about fortigate ipsec, maybe this tutorial gives a clue? it just uses networkmanager http://www.justdailynotes.com/fortinet/linux/vpn/2015/02/14/Fortigate-IPSec-Linux-NetworkManager/
[17:57] <OerHeks> !info network-manager-vpnc-gnome
[17:59] <jon5000> hello I am hoping someone can help:  Installed 16.04 on a yoga 13 laptop.  Touchscreen is not being recognized.  Previous installs on this computer recognized it and it worked beautifully.  When i typed xinput, the touchscreen was listed as ELAN.  Now with this installation it does not show up in the list at all
[18:04] <NoMiddle_> OerHeks, I can user IPsec or ssl, I don't care
[18:04] <anirban> Hello. I've got three laptops all running ubuntu (two of them 16.04 and one 15.04), and connected to the same wifi network. I can access shared files in the network from two of them (one running 16.04 and one running 15.04), but a third one cannot access anything on the network (running 16.04). When I try connecting to Windows Network in nautilus, it says "Failed to retrieve share list from server: No such file or directory". I have samba running
[18:04] <anirban> in it too.
[18:04] <MuffinMedic> Is there a way to start a process in a tmux session with a crontab entry? similar to "screen -dSm name command"
[18:05] <NoMiddle_> vpnc I thunk is for cisco like firewalls
[18:05] <NoMiddle_> It ask me group name and password name.
[18:07] <eelstrebor> oh boy, i need to learn about efi now
[18:09] <OerHeks> NoMiddle_, all has been described in that url, password i don't know, you must buy it?
[18:10] <OerHeks> !uefi | eelstrebor
[18:17] <barnex> hey
[18:19] <django_> hey
[18:19] <django_> whats the cmd on ubuntu so it can install important stuff like Python
[18:20] <turytoom> control + t
[18:21] <django_> im getting this: /usr/bin/env: ‘python’: No such file or directory
[18:22] <barnex> I have a steam game that works well when I run it from steam, but when run outside of steam it complains about missing libraries... Any idea where steam keeps its i386 libs?
[18:22] <jatt> !info python | django_
[18:22] <muwro> django_: apt-get install python
[18:29] <eelstrebor> not sure if i want to convert to uefi - not sure if i'd gain anything by doing so
[18:31] <jon5000> am i to assume that since no one acknowledged my question, that there is no one here in a position to help at all?
[18:32] <jon5000> or inclined to?
[18:32] <MonkeyDust> jon5000  simply hit tje up arrow every 15 minutes or so, until someone enters who can help
[18:33] <barnex> yep
[18:33] <lordcirth> jon5000, your problem is a very hardware-specific one, and so it may take some time for someone who knows a solution to notice.
[18:33] <barnex> in the meantime try http://askubuntu.com/ maybe
[18:37] <jon5000> lordcirth, thanks for acknowledging
[18:38] <yocs0000> hi! I have tried installing drupal using repository, but it does not seem to work
[18:38] <eelstrebor> jon5000, it's possible that adding a kernel boot parameter in grub might solve your problem
[18:38] <jon5000> MonkeyDust, thanks... i understood that to be outside channel protocols
[18:38] <yocs0000> sudo apt-get install drupal does install all the dependecies and configures the database
[18:38] <yocs0000> but then, when you do http://localhost, nothing happens
[18:38] <yocs0000> and when you do http://localhost/drupal configurtion starts from scratch and it is drupal 8 non 7
[18:39] <kevin> kj
[18:39] <eelstrebor> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt
[18:39] <Guest13039> kk
[18:40] <gianpc> irc
[18:41] <lordcirth> jon5000, re-asking occasionally is fine, so long as it's not spamming. 15-20 min is probably ok.
[18:41] <ivankalot> link to how to change a kernel?
[18:41] <lordcirth> ivankalot, change how?
[18:41] <jon5000> lordcirth, thanks
[18:42] <ivankalot> replace
[18:43] <ivankalot> dirty cow to non dirty cow premade
[18:43] <lordcirth> ivankalot, apt update; apt full-upgrade; reboot
[18:44] <ivankalot> ok thanks
[18:45] <enrico__> hello. I want to report a problem on the ubuntu documentation. I wrote on the official thread but no one answered. Who can I contact for this? https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2012432&p=13564018#post13564018
[18:54] <ducasse> enrico__: try #ubuntu-doc, maybe they can help.
[19:00] <Guest78988> hi - I just installed ubuntu and my mouse pointer does not move. I verified the my mouse is recognized, plugged-in, and works on other machines. I have also tried a different USB mouse, but have the same problem. it seems to register clicks, so the mouse is somehow *partially* working; it seems like the mouse is working except for the fact that the cursor itself does not move
[19:02] <johannes> hi
[19:04] <UniFreak> hi, I just set up a vagrant ubuntu 14.04 box
[19:04] <UniFreak> installed php5.6(somehow in that process apache is installed)
[19:04] <UniFreak> installed nginx
[19:05] <UniFreak> but now, the request auto goes into apache instead of nginx. I tried disable apache by running `apachectl stop`, but that didn't auto enable nginx
[19:06] <UniFreak> how can I use nginx as my default server?
[19:07] <Guest78988> is nginx running?
[19:07] <UniFreak> `service nginx status` shows it is running
[19:08] <theShirbiny> UniFreak, ss -plnt and check what's listening on 80
[19:11] <john_s> Does Ubuntu 16.04 support 32-bit nouveau drivers?
[19:12] <UniFreak> theShirbiny: it's nginx
[19:12] <UniFreak> but, if I access the nginx configed virtual host, it's nginx handling the request
[19:12] <UniFreak> if I access localhost, it's apache
[19:13] <UniFreak> I stopped it already, how is that possible?
[19:13] <john_s> I mean in 64-bit installation.
[19:14] <theShirbiny> UniFreak, you're running apache on your local machine and nginx inside vagrant?
[19:14] <BluesKaj> john_s, why a 32bit driver ?
[19:14] <john_s> because games are often 32-bit
[19:15] <ducasse> john_s: with a 64-bit kernel? probably not. why?
[19:15] <UniFreak> theShirbiny: both are inside vagrant. I'm now sshed to vagrant box, all operation are in vagrant box
[19:15] <john_s> trying to run Diablo III and it does about 1 frame per 20 seconds.
[19:15] <BluesKaj> john_s, 32bit will run fine on a 64bit install
[19:15] <john_s> it also complains about wine d3d not found for this card, which is said to be caused by missing 32-bit drivers.
[19:16] <john_s> previously when I installed nVidia drivers way back by myself it by default only installed 64-bit drivers causing games to not work.
[19:16] <john_s> the nVidia driver package includes a 32-bit driver I am sure, but I am talking about nouveau here.
[19:17] <john_s> I mean, I want to use nouveau for now or try to.
[19:17] <theShirbiny> UniFreak, can you paste `sudo ss -plunt` output here paste.ubuntu.com?
[19:17] <BluesKaj> john_s, have you tried the rcommended nvidia driver ?
[19:17] <john_s> no because last time it messed up my (KDE) install I think.
[19:17] <BluesKaj> no it won't
[19:17] <john_s> so I could try, after making a snapshot but it has no framebuffer driver which is why I don't want to use it.
[19:18] <john_s> well KDE started breaking for me and after a fresh reinstall the troubles were gone so I am not gonna risk it.
[19:18] <john_s> I mean after installing and uninstalling nVidia
[19:18] <porcaccioddio> Ciao
[19:19] <john_s> so before I venture to try to nVidia driver, if I will, I want to know why nouveau doesn't work at all.... :(.
[19:19] <BluesKaj> then try it
[19:19] <jtlap> \#numscale
[19:19] <john_s> this error:  fixme:d3d:wined3d_guess_card No card selector available for GL vendor 0x4 and card vendor 0000 (using GL_RENDERER "Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x301)").
[19:19] <john_s> is said to belong to missing 32-bit support.
[19:20] <UniFreak> theShirbiny: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23501972/
[19:21] <john_s> no I'm not gonna be snapshotting just to try it so I want to know first if there is 32-bit nouveau support at all.
[19:22] <Neui> My laptop was under load (hashing + startx for a 3rd user) and now i get a blackscreen. Changing TTY (Alt+Ctrl+Fn) doesn't change anything. I still can SSH to it and X11 still works. x11vnc just hangs... What can i do?
[19:22] <john_s> I mean are others playing games on 64-bit system with 32-bit noveau and it works? I want to know just that.
[19:22] <theShirbiny> UniFreak, I can't see any apache
[19:23] <john_s> also the nvidia drivers has missing framebuffer support which is important to me.
[19:23] <theShirbiny> UniFreak, you're using a browser to access it?
[19:24] <john_s> so my question is simply about nouveau, not to get it working under nvidia, please.
[19:24] <theShirbiny> this might be cache, use curl -L <your vagrant machine IP>
[19:25] <john_s> the only file the package contains though is /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nouveau_drv.so which links to 64-bit.
[19:27] <UniFreak> theShirbiny: curl
[19:27] <UniFreak> The response is not a nginx page, all about apache
[19:28] <theShirbiny> How's that possible? are you sure you're inside your vagrant box?
[19:28] <ducasse> john_s: the nouveau driver will be 64-bit on a 64-bit system, but that shouldn't stop you from playing 32-bit games.
[19:28] <theShirbiny> UniFreak, ps aux | grep -i apache
[19:28] <john_s> ducasse: okay
[19:30] <UniFreak> theShirbiny: there is only one for grep itself
[19:31] <ducasse> john_s: if you're using the proprietary nvidia driver it's the same thing, you will use the 64-bit driver if your kernel is 64-bit.
[19:31] <john_s> ducasse: but I am completely certain it requires a 32-bit driver. I have experienced this myself. Didn't work until I compiled the 32-bit driver.
[19:31] <theShirbiny> UniFreak, maybe your nginx is pointing to your default apache page? this is the only explanation I can think of
[19:32] <ducasse> john_s: of the nvidia driver?
[19:32] <john_s> ducasse: also other linux distributions mention needing to require to install a 32 bit nouveau.
[19:32] <john_s> ducasse: yes that last bit was about nvidia driver.
[19:33] <john_s> ducasse: back in 2015 I had once installed the binary nvidia driver directly.
[19:33] <UniFreak> theShirbiny: I checked the nginx.conf and conf.d, there is no config for locahost ...
[19:33] <john_s> ducasse: games didn't work until I fixed the missing 32-bit part.
[19:34] <UniFreak> I's weird, but I'll just leave it here. no impact for my normal usage
[19:34] <john_s> if I try to install i386 versions the chain of packages ends up being missing.
[19:35] <Ben64> john_s: you're mistaken
[19:35] <ducasse> john_s: sounds weird to me. source?
[19:35] <john_s> then why doesn't it work?
[19:35] <john_s> source of what?
[19:35] <Ben64> nouveau isn't good for gaming
[19:36] <john_s> I don't care about that, I just want to know why it doesn't work.
[19:36] <Ben64> because it's nouveau
[19:36] <john_s> that's not an answer.
[19:36] <Ben64> it is
[19:36] <Ben64> you're too stubborn to realize it
[19:36] <john_s> have you tried gaming on 64-bit system with nouveau?
[19:36] <xick> anyone else having stability issues with browsers since 16.04 ?
[19:37] <Ben64> no because that's like trying to game on a 64 bit system with a bit of toasted bagel
[19:37] <john_s> so you don't know.
[19:37] <ralph22> How can i change dns using a script?
[19:37] <Ben64> john_s: if you don't want help, why are you here
[19:37] <xick> latest firefox and opera both seem to be crashing way too often
[19:37] <john_s> Even if it had 50% of the performance of nvidia, it would be good enough for this system.
[19:38] <john_s> because I don't need people telling me what to do or how to live my life okay.
[19:38] <john_s> I just want to know if there is a 32-bit nouveau driver
[19:38] <xick> lol
[19:38] <Ben64> that's not how it works
[19:38] <john_s> yes that's how it works
[19:38] <Ben64> you want 32 bit drivers? install 32 bit ubuntu
[19:38] <john_s> does A work? Use B is not an answer.
[19:39] <john_s> and if you don't know, please just be quiet then?
[19:39] <john_s> you clearly don't know anything about it.
[19:39] <Ben64> i do know, you need to work on your reading comprehension
[19:39] <BluesKaj> 32bit should run fine on 64bit OSs
[19:39] <john_s> well it doesn't and other sources indicate it doesn't and my own experience indicates it doesn't.
[19:39] <xick> works on my system
[19:39] <john_s> and apparently none of you has actually done it?
[19:39] <Ben64> install 32 bit ubuntu to get 32 bit drivers
[19:39] <Ben64> literally the only way
[19:40] <john_s> what works on your system xick?
[19:40] <xick> I've run Ubuntu 16.04 32 bit on my 64bit machine, and used the nvidia drivers
[19:40] <robb_nl> major split...
[19:40] <john_s> xick: I was not talking about that
[19:40] <john_s> xick: I was not talking about using the nouveau drivers on a 64-bit system, not the nvidia drivers on a 32-bit system.
[19:41] <john_s> was not = was
[19:41] <xick> I tried both and didn't seem to have any issue
[19:41] <xick> have since moved up to 16.10 though and installed 64bit
[19:41] <john_s> xick so have you used nouveau drivers on a 64-bit Ubuntu on a 64-bit system and it worked?
[19:42] <xick> using it now
[19:42] <john_s> you are using nouveau?
[19:42] <xick> yup
[19:42] <john_s> and you can play 32-bit wine games?
[19:42] <xick> can't say i have actually tried any wine games, but I do use a handful of applications under wine
[19:42] <rexwin_> I am getting this when I try to start apache. http://pastebin.ca/3740386
[19:43] <john_s> that's not the same my friend.
[19:43] <ducasse> john_s: what sources say to use 32-bit drivers on a 64-bit system? _those_ sources.
[19:43] <BluesKaj> but like Ben64 mention ed nouveau can' t be much of a driver for games
[19:43] <rexwin_> this happened after I uninstalled and reinstalled
[19:43] <john_s> ducasse: my own experience is the source.
[19:43] <Ben64> john_s: again, you're wrong
[19:43] <ducasse> john_s: you just said 'other sources indicate'
[19:43] <john_s> ducasse: if you had evidence ot the contrary I would be much obliged but I only hear from people who have not actually done it.
[19:43] <john_s> oh those sources
[19:44] <john_s> https://chakralinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=8690
[19:44] <Ben64> libraries != drivers
[19:44] <angeltrusty1404l> Hello everyone someone has the solution to the bug of ubuntu 16.04 to install ip package msttcorefonts?
[19:45] <ducasse> john_s: those are libraries, not drivers. so what i said earlier still applies.
[19:46] <john_s> you know as well as I do that installing 32-bit wine installs a whole bunch of 32-bit librarires
[19:46] <Ben64> way too stubborn to help
[19:46] <john_s> 32-bit wine cannot use 32-bit xorg libraries
[19:46] <john_s> Ben could you please shut up then and be gone here?
[19:46] <john_s> You have not done it yourself.
[19:46] <Ben64> !attitude | john_s
[19:46] <john_s> You don't know if it works.
[19:47] <Ben64> you don't know what i know, i've been here for YEARS and nvidia and wine problems are some of my strong points. best of luck
[19:48] <john_s> and yet you come with such ludicrous statements such as that "bit of toasted bagel".
[19:48] <tgm4883> let's all stay civil please
[19:48] <john_s> you have not provided a solution and you don't know whether it actually works because you have never done so.
[19:49] <rexwin_> I am getting http://pastebin.ca/3740391 when running apache. why is apache not listening on tcp on port 80. it listens on port 80 for tcp6
[19:49] <ducasse> john_s: we've all told you the same thing, basically
[19:49] <john_s> well I am sorry I just get so tired of fighting those who say it should work but they have never done it.
[19:49] <john_s> and when I say it doesn't work they don't believe me.
[19:49] <ra21vi> whenever i was plugging headphone jack on my Ubuntu 16.10 (Dell 7000), a dialog used to appear. But now, after some updates and few app installation, it stopped working. And now sounds is emitted from laptop speaker as well as headphone (both)
[19:49] <john_s> I am just asking whether there are 32-bit nouveau drivers and I guess the answer is no, but they are also not installable?
[19:50] <john_s> and you clearly don't know if it works or not.
[19:51] <john_s> I also provided the source of that statement about those 32-bit packages just now.
[19:51] <ducasse> john_s: you need 32-bit _libs_, yes, not drivers.
[19:51] <john_s> It's also clear wine-32 cannot work with 32-bit libs
[19:52] <john_s> erm... 64-bit
[19:52] <john_s> but every driver is a library, isn't it?
[19:53] <john_s> the nouveau driver IS a library.
[19:53] <john_s> here it is: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nouveau_drv.so
[19:53] <ra21vi> how do i fix my sound now?
[19:54] <ducasse> john_s: that is the xorg driver _module_.
[19:54] <john_s> it says "drv" in the name and it links to all 64-bit libraries.
[19:55] <john_s> there is no other binary in the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package.
[19:56] <ducasse> john_s: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/nouveau/nouveau.ko is the actual driver
[19:56] <ralph22> What is the best distro for a zotac zbox id83?
[19:57] <john_s> okay but at some point wine needs to talk to it, right?
[19:57] <ducasse> john_s: it does that through x.
[19:58] <john_s> but wine uses all-exclusive 32-bit libs for that.
[19:58] <john_s> I guess that's the DRM package...
[19:58] <ducasse> john_s: so? they can still talk to a 64-bit x.
[19:59] <john_s> this is going nowhere.
[19:59] <john_s> it doesn't work, other distros say it needs 32-bit libs.
[19:59] <john_s> I don't care about theoreticals you know, I found in the past that 64-bit only for nVidia didn't work for games (Steam, Borderlands 2, etc.).
[19:59] <Jordan_U> john_s: Looks like libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 might be what you need, but I'm still looking.
[20:00] <ducasse> john_s: that sounds likely, it will need 32-bit variants of all dependencies
[20:00] <john_s> right
[20:00] <ducasse> john_s: you can run 'ldd' on the binary to determine which libraries it can't find
[20:01] <john_s> Jordan_U: those are already installed, thanks.
[20:01] <angeltrusty1404l> Hello everyone someone has the solution to the bug of ubuntu 16.04  to install ip package msttcorefonts?
[20:02] <john_s> ducasse: that goes too far to troubleshoot the entire of Wine to find out where and how it tries to find those libraries....
[20:02] <Jordan_U> john_s: Specifically the 32 bit versions of them?
[20:02] <john_s> Jordan_U: yes
[20:02] <john_s> ii  libgl1-mesa-dri:i386    11.2.0-1ubuntu2. i386
[20:03] <john_s> basically I have hands on experience compiling something 32-bit using the nVidia source package (or binary installer package) which was required for it to start working with nVidia so I think there is no question about this.
[20:03] <Jordan_U> john_s: Try asking in #winehq.
[20:04] <john_s> alright thanks
[20:04] <ra21vi> headphone auto detection stopped working for my ubuntu 16.10 on dell laptop. any hint to fix it?
[20:06] <john_s> the point is if xserver-xorg-video-nouveau also needs to be 32-bit.... I can't actually install it.
[20:07] <john_s> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau:i386 : Depends: xorg-video-abi-20:i386    Depends: xserver-xorg-core:i386 (>= 2:1.17.99.902) but it is not going to be installed
[20:07] <ducasse> john_s: that would require a full 32-bit x installation...
[20:07] <john_s> right
[20:08] <john_s> It depends on keyboard-configuration:i386 which doesn't exist apparently.
[20:09] <ducasse> john_s: which error do you get when you try to run the game?
[20:09] <john_s> the one I linked... fixme:d3d:wined3d_guess_card No card selector available for GL vendor 0x4 and card vendor 0000 (using GL_RENDERER "Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x301)"). basically.
[20:11] <riverSider> hi
[20:12] <john_s> after that that causes a whole list of errors due to d3d missing.
[20:13] <ducasse> john_s: did you run 'dpkg --add-architecture i386'?
[20:13] <john_s> no? should I do that?
[20:15] <ducasse> john_s: try that, then 'sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade'
[20:16] <Jordan_U> ducasse: john_s: If you run "dpkg --print-foreign-architectures" you should see that i386 is already listed, as it is enabled by default.
[20:16] <john_s> yes it is already listed, I just checked.
[20:17] <ducasse> john_s: do you have libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 ? you only listed libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 above
[20:19] <john_s> yes it is installed.
[20:20] <john_s> It just looks like I need to compile nouveau myself (the library in any case).
[20:20] <john_s> (and could have been busy doing that for an hour now).
[20:20] <ducasse> john_s: it looks like you're missing some mesa component, because you're using the software renderer afaict...
[20:20] <john_s> ok
[20:20] <john_s> you mean the pipe thing.
[20:21] <Jordan_U> john_s: Please pastebin the output of "glxinfo". Indeed, llvmpipe is the software renderer.
[20:28] <aruns> Hi, currently using ImageMagick on the command line to take a screenshot of my screen.
[20:28] <aruns> Is there any way I can limit the screenshot to the current active window?
[20:28] <aruns> Like Chrome Inspector window?
[20:29] <Scout_ish> edit it in gimp?
[20:29] <john_s> Jordan_U: it's here: http://pastebin.com/9gA9pvrt
[20:30] <jurislav> lordcirth: you still here, please?
[20:30] <jurislav> or anyone else familiar with kvm + vlan on ubuntu server..?
[20:31] <Scout_ish> Arch Linux World Domination is coming soon better join now
[20:32] <Jordan_U> john_s: You aren't currently using nouveau at all.P
[20:33] <Jordan_U> john_s: Please pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log .
[20:33] <kostkon> aruns, not sure about imagemagick, but you can do that with scrot
[20:34] <john_s> huh
[20:34] <Jordan_U> Scout_ish: You know that isn't appropriate for #ubuntu. Please don't post such things again.
[20:34] <Zurfa> what video editing software can anyone here personally recommend? (yes, I have already researched, just looking for opinions)
[20:36] <john_s> Jordan_U: http://pastebin.com/KJ3wMGUr
[20:37] <kostkon> Zurfa, try them all and keep the one that suits your needs and preferences
[20:39] <newke> hi. im using 16.10 ubuntu gnome. I run it on thinkpad with ultradock. after latest update when laptop is docked and goes to sleep, after waking up there are no sound devices found. anyone else has similar problem?
[20:40] <Zurfa> Kostkon, I've tried a few already, just looking to see what opinions people have here ;)
[20:40] <Jordan_U> john_s: Please pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf (if the file exists). Also, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com or http://paste.debian.net as they are both lighter than pastebin.com, and ad free.
[20:40] <jurislav> anyone for the vlan/kvm setup..?
[20:41] <jurislav> i'd like to verify the steps taken
[20:41] <john_s> doesn't exist.
[20:43] <ducasse> john_s: are there any files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ?
[20:46] <Jordan_U> john_s: Do you have multiple users logged in with graphical sessions at the moment?
[20:47] <john_s> ducasse: neither, I hope I didn't mess things up in the past by installing and uninstalling Cinnamon :$$$$.
[20:47] <john_s> Jordan_U: I start X from the prompt at this point with startx
[20:47] <Jordan_U> john_s: That may be the problem. What happens if you use a greeter like lightdm or GDM to log in graphically?
[20:47] <john_s> Jordan_U: and it uses startkde...
[20:48] <john_s> Jordan_U: I will have to enable it, then I'll be back in a second.
[20:49] <lubuntuframes> hi
[20:49] <lubuntuframes> black screen after grub menu during boot in lubuntu 16.04
[20:50] <lubuntuframes> i.e. I don't see the lubuntu logo while loading system
[20:50] <lubuntuframes> at some point I get a text line saying that file system in sda1 is clean
[20:50] <Jordan_U> lubuntuframes: Does booting otherwise proceed fine?
[20:50] <lubuntuframes> 1) I don't want check disk to occur at every boot and 2) I want the logo during boot
[20:51] <lubuntuframes> booting seems fine but very, very slow
[20:51] <lubuntuframes> more than 2 minutes
[20:51] <lubuntuframes> I think maybe the system is waiting for input but I don't see anything because black screen?
[20:52] <lubuntuframes> during shutdown I do see the lubuntu logo and shutodown is very fast
[20:52] <Jordan_U> lubuntuframes: Please pastebin the output of "cat /proc/cmdline" and "systemd-analyze blame". Your filesystem isn't actually being fully checked every boot, it's just being confirmed clean (and actually fully checked if not clean).
[20:52] <lubuntuframes> ok
[20:52] <john_s> Jordan_U: same error.
[20:53] <john_s> In my case the exact error is: fixme:d3d:wined3d_guess_card No card selector available for card vendor 0000 (using GL_RENDERER "Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.8, 128 bits)").
[20:54] <Jordan_U> john_s: Did you log in through KDM? Are you running wine as the same user that you graphically logged in as?
[20:54] <john_s> Jordan_U: SDDM and yes.
[20:55] <lubuntuframes> Jordan_U: http://pastebin.com/3rDeAtsT
[20:56] <lubuntuframes> I see a lot of stuff taking 10 seconds or more
[20:58] <john_s> Jordan_U: I need to quit this, I am just going to compile the 32-bit nouveau and see what happens okay.
[20:58] <john_s> I've been here for almost 2 hours.
[20:58] <john_s> This is not really worth anything tbh, sorry.
[20:58] <Jordan_U> john_s: You need to focus on getting nouveau working at all.
[20:58] <lubuntuframes> to sum it up:I see the grub menu,then black screen for some time,then a text line "sda1 clean...", then more waiting, then the logon screen
[20:58] <Welastevil> hi guys
[20:59] <john_s> Jordan_U: okay, but it is loaded in X isn't it?
[20:59] <Welastevil> just swiched on my computer and have the msg "system problem detected"
[20:59] <lubuntuframes> is it a display drivers problem?
[20:59] <Welastevil> how can I find out what is happening?
[21:00] <be_happy-2017> did someone know something about the distro SAbliy?
[21:00] <john_s> Jordan_U: how do you know it is not using nouveau?
[21:00] <Jordan_U> john_s: It's part X, part kernel, and part Mesa. It's not clear which parts aren't loading properly.
[21:01] <john_s> Jordan_U: I mean the Xorg log is filled with NOUVEAU lines.
[21:02] <john_s> anyway, I'm out of here, try next time okay.
[21:02] <Jordan_U> john_s: "OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.8, 128 bits)" from glxinfo should be "OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on NV43" and it should be "OpenGL vendor string: nouveau" instead of "OpenGL vendor string: VMware, Inc." as well.
[21:02] <john_s> okay
[21:02] <Welastevil> os updates are also not installing
[21:02] <lubuntuframes> can someone have a look at the pastebin? thx
[21:03] <Jordan_U> john_s: I suspect that if you tried all of this in an Ubuntu or Kubuntu liveUSB (you can install things in ram) it would work fine.
[21:03] <john_s> right
[21:03] <john_s> anyway gotta go, thanks for the pointers.
[21:03] <ducasse> john_s: x is using nouveau, that part looks fine. i suspect some mesa screwup.
[21:03] <john_s> ok
[21:04] <Welastevil> periodicaly this "system error detect" apears
[21:04] <claell> Hi, anyone responsible for Ubuntu Bugs here?
[21:05] <lubuntuframes> is it normal that networking service and dev sda1 service take 11 seconds each to load?
[21:05] <ducasse> be_happy-2017: wrong channel for that.
[21:05] <lubuntuframes> http://pastebin.com/3rDeAtsT
[21:05] <kadaj> claell: you can report it at launchpad.net
[21:05] <claell> Already did, but no response for over two weeks now, although it is confirmed
[21:06] <ducasse> Welastevil: try 'sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade'
[21:06] <bekks> claell: So update your post there.
[21:06] <claell> I did. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/1633824 for reference
[21:07] <bekks> claell: Priority is low, it will take several months, I guess.
[21:07] <claell> The bug has been fixed with a newer version of glib2.0 but I fear it will not get updated soon https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/1638846
[21:07] <lubuntuframes> hello do you read?
[21:07] <lubuntuframes> I was asked for a pastebin, I provided it
[21:08] <claell> This bug is pretty annoying and I would have expected Ubuntu to have some sort of quality assurance.
[21:08] <Jordan_U> lubuntuframes: I've seen it, but I don't know where to go from here.
[21:08] <Welastevil> mmmm
[21:09] <Welastevil> not possible
[21:09] <Welastevil> http://pastebin.com/X6Qh1YKk
[21:09] <Welastevil> look that output
[21:09] <\9> claell: community developed and quality assurance don't really go hand in hand
[21:09] <ducasse> claell: it's triaged, might just be considered low priority
[21:09] <lubuntuframes> (lol)
[21:09] <lubuntuframes> ok I'm on my own
[21:10] <\9> claell: ubuntu is open source, you can fix the problem yourself if you'd like. otherwise you'll have to wait until someone else does
[21:10] <claell> It is already fixed
[21:10] <claell> They just need to update glib2.0
[21:10] <claell> that is what annoys me.
[21:10] <ducasse> Welastevil: a bunch of ppas, some broken, _and_ -proposed? have fun with that.
[21:11] <Welastevil> mmm
[21:11] <\9> hmm
[21:11] <ducasse> claell: that is *not* a 'just'
[21:11] <Welastevil> ducasse
[21:11] <ducasse> claell: glib is pretty central.
[21:11] <Welastevil> can you help me with that?
[21:12] <claell> Yes, but I at least would have expected them to react to that. I don't even know, if they know that they have to update the package in order to fix the problem.
[21:12] <ducasse> Welastevil: try 'sudo apt-get -f install'
[21:13] <Welastevil> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[21:13] <Welastevil> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[21:14] <Welastevil> now I used sudo
[21:15] <ducasse> claell: it is mentioned in both bug reports, so they should know.
[21:15] <Welastevil> take a look
[21:15] <Welastevil> http://pastebin.com/4C0Fi4rR
[21:16] <claell> I would have expected a reation to the new situation that I reported and an ETA or something. Since they did not react I assumed that they simply don't know. But maybe I am wrong.
[21:17] <Welastevil> http://pastebin.com/4C0Fi4rR
[21:18] <ducasse> Welastevil: try 'sudo dpkg -P cups-daemon'
[21:19] <Jordan_U> claell: Unfortunately there are a *lot* of bugs reported and not enough people willing to look through them, so you pretty much have to expect it to take a long time to react to non critical bug reports, if they are even fixed at all for a given release :(
[21:19] <Welastevil> dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of cups-daemon:
[21:19] <Welastevil>  cups-core-drivers depends on cups-daemon (>= 2.1.3-4ubuntu0.1).
[21:19] <Welastevil>  cups depends on cups-daemon (>= 2.1.3-4ubuntu0.1); however:
[21:19] <Welastevil>   Package cups-daemon is to be removed.
[21:19] <Welastevil> yYY
[21:20] <ducasse> claell: the priority on the first one is 'low'
[21:20] <Welastevil> sorry...but just 3 lines to pastbin
[21:21] <Welastevil> http://pastebin.com/b9iGg9cn
[21:21] <Welastevil> what ever
[21:21] <kostkon> Welastevil, anything you'll do from this point on is probably going to be destructive. You may want to disable one or two ppas first to clear up the dependency mess a bit if at all possible
[21:21] <claell> It is not critical, but it appears for all users and it makes Ubuntu pretty unuseable for normal people.
[21:21] <ducasse> Welastevil: try 'sudo systemctl stop cups.service' then 'sudo apt-get install -f' again
[21:21] <kostkon> Welastevil, another option is ppapurge but that will remove everything you have installed from those ppas
[21:22] <Trioxin> how do I use f2fs encryption? I can't find anything on it except that it exists
[21:24] <ducasse> claell: a lot of people think that about their favorite bug, but it's just not true.
[21:25] <claell> Unuseable might be exeggerated, but I would expect from an OS that the trash function works.
[21:25] <Welastevil> http://pastebin.com/b9iGg9cn
[21:26] <Welastevil> cups-daemon
[21:27] <xangua> Welastevil: why are you trying to remove cups?
[21:28] <Welastevil> im not
[21:29] <ducasse> Welastevil: what does 'sudo apt-get install -f' say?
[21:31] <Welastevil> its ok ducasse
[21:31] <Welastevil> it worked now
[21:31] <Welastevil> look
[21:32] <Welastevil> http://pastebin.com/6dq1hPfV
[21:34] <ducasse> Welastevil: that looks good, unless there was an error later, you only posted part of the output. if it worked, you can install updates now.
[21:34] <Welastevil> thanks ducasse!
[21:34] <ducasse> Welastevil: but do a 'sudo apt-get autoremove', clean up your ppas, and probably disable proposed.
[21:35] <Welastevil> done!!!
[21:37] <goodGuy2> hello
[21:38] <ducasse> Welastevil: ok, good. you should absolutely not use proposed unless you have a good reason - it is intended for advanced users to help with testing.
[21:40] <Welastevil> ok
[21:40] <Welastevil> thanks!
[21:41] <quikstrike> Seem to be having some issues when I try to connect via SSH to any other remote SSH server. Everything was working a few days ago and I was able to connect via SSH fine, but now when I attempt to connect to any SSH server the connection just hangs. ufw has been disabled, there are no iptables rules blocking SSH, and I have connected from other VPS servers on my network out to various outside SSH servers. Anyone have any additional
[21:41] <JohnMcClain> http://pastebin.com/Rcj05sGw I'm getting an error when trying to use imagemagick to write a file. The folder is owned by www-data. Should it be owned by someone else if imagemagick is the one writing?
[21:43] <john_s> Jordan_U: I just rebooted into 16.04 Kubuntu live dvd and same issue thus far.
[21:43] <ducasse> john_s: does /images/42753667c08888b5dc6481ab279a5206.png exist?
[21:43] <JohnMcClain> ducasse: It does not. 'convert' should create it.
[21:43] <JohnMcClain> perhaps I'm not writing in the directory appropriately.
[21:44] <JohnMcClain> I'm in 'home'. I want to write it in 'home/images'
[21:44] <JohnMcClain> is convert -trim -density 200 test.pdf -quality 600 /images/42753667c08888b5dc6481ab279a5206.png now the correct way to call it out?
[21:45] <JohnMcClain> convert test.pdf /images/test.png
[21:45] <JohnMcClain> Would that be correct?
[21:45] <ducasse> JohnMcClain: ah, no, use /home/images/whatever.png
[21:45] <JohnMcClain> ducasse: That works. So I should always use an absolute path?
[21:46] <jurislav> if I wanted a general networking best-practise advise, which channel i should go to..? :/
[21:46] <bekks> jurislav: ##networking
[21:47] <ducasse> JohnMcClain: yes, well - a leading '/' means the path is absolute.
[21:47] <john_s> christ how do I install wine32 or wine32-develop from the live dvd .... :(.
[21:48] <jurislav> bekks: thx!
[21:48] <Thinkey> ver irc.rizon.net
[21:50] <OerHeks> john_s, you need internet for that, wine-development
[21:50] <john_s> OerHeks: playonlinux is in multiverse it is not in the sources by default.... not sure about wine32-development at this point.
[21:53] <OerHeks> john_s, so ? enable multiverse in your sources?
[21:53] <OerHeks> and enable networking
[21:53] <john_s> that fixed it for playonlinux but not for wine32-development and it is a bit annoying that the Discover app (on KDE) doesn't do that (allow that).
[21:56] <OerHeks> abmares2, please no PM, thanks
[21:56] <OerHeks> !pm
[21:57] <john_s> Oh boy now I cannot execute /home/kubuntu/.PlayOnLinux/wine/linux-x86/1.9.23-staging/bin/wine because of probably a missing library and ldd says it is not dynamically linked....
[21:57] <bekks> john_s: Whats its output?
[21:58] <john_s> forgot to install libc6-i386
[21:58] <OerHeks> john don't do this from live iso, you'll need more than that, restricted extras and such
[21:59] <john_s> restricted extras no less
[22:00] <john_s> restricted and extras didn' t do it :p
[22:03] <JohnMcClain> http://i.imgur.com/9Yu6Lbx.png . On the right is what runs in php's exec(). On the left is the permissions of /var/www/html/images/. If I copy/paste the command into terminal, it successfully creates the image. What might I be missing?
[22:03] <john_s> how the hell do I install 32 bit wine on live dvd.... :(.
[22:04] <OerHeks> john_s, without internet? not
[22:06] <ducasse> JohnMcClain: set g+w on images dir
[22:07] <john_s> I am talking to you aren' t i.
[22:07] <john_s> OerHeks: Me Supposes That Works Through the Internet :p.
[22:08] <john_s> I have now replaced my /etc/apt on the liveDVD with that of my main system and I still cannot install wine32-development
[22:08] <JohnMcClain> ducasse: I feel silly.
[22:08] <john_s> oh i know.
[22:08] <JohnMcClain> ducasse: You're awesome. Thanks a lot for today.
[22:08] <ducasse> JohnMcClain: no problem, glad it works now :)
[22:09] <john_s> nope
[22:11] <john_s> why on earth won' t the thing list 32 bit packages .... :(.
[22:12] <john_s> the pain is too big.
[22:12] <Jordan_U> john_s: What is the output of "glxinfo" from the liveUSB?
[22:12] <john_s> Jordan_U: same
[22:12] <Bashing-om> john_s: ' apt show <package> see what repo the package is in .. and make sure that repo is enabled in your sources ?
[22:12] <MonkeyDust> john_s  maybe it's a question for #winehq
[22:12] <john_s> yes but right now I was just trying to install 32 bit wine on the live DVD and not succeeding.
[22:13] <ducasse> john_s: is i386 enabled on the live image by default? might be different from a full install.
[22:13] <john_s> I mean.... next mountain to climb that is bigger than the mt .everest.
[22:13] <john_s> yes
[22:13] <john_s> it is
[22:13] <john_s> at least --print-foreign-architectures shows it
[22:14] <Jordan_U> john_s: I wouldn't recommend worrying about any problem other than getting nouveau to actually work until you have solved that problem.
[22:14] <john_s> well fine but I just wanted to reproduce the same error for the same game.
[22:14] <john_s> you know, cover all bases.
[22:14] <john_s> mostly I wanted to get 32 bit libraries installed in case it influenced glxinfo
[22:15] <Jordan_U> john_s: What is the output of "lspci | grep VGA"?
[22:15] <DBU> it used to configure your video i belive
[22:15] <john_s> booting from live dvd with exact same /etc/apt/ directory as my main install and I cannot get any wine32* to be listed.
[22:16] <john_s> 05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM206 [GeForce GTX 950] (rev a1)
[22:16] <Jordan_U> john_s: If nouveau isn't being used for 64 bit glxinfo, there is no reason to believe that it would be used for 32 bit processes.
[22:16] <john_s> ok sure but I just wanted to get the same system up.
[22:16] <john_s> why can' t I install 32-bit Wine now all of  a sudden?
[22:17] <john_s> how do I get apt to load i386?
[22:20] <dajomu> Anyone using digikam here?
[22:20] <MonkeyDust> dajomu  that's a yes/no question, better ask your real question
[22:20] <elGALLO_> installed ubuntu server no gui, previously got VNC and mac to read files via finder using http://askubuntu.com/questions/463486/can-no-longer-use-screen-share-to-connect-mac-to-ubuntu-since-upgrading-to-14-04
[22:21] <elGALLO_> any suggestions on how to be able to use mac Finder  to cnnect to Ubuntu server? entered as registered user but get a shaking window so no log or error to share
[22:22] <dajomu> Okey then, I am running digikam 5.3 on Ubuntu 16.10 and I have my photos stored on a NAS. I have a problem with deleting photos using digikam. I have no problem deleting using the file brower? Anyone have any idea why I cannot delete photos?
[22:23] <Jordan_U> john_s: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1042258.html?sid=ee07cfb96b5b0bd079c1afee0e856f79 suggests that support for this card in upstream nouveau was only added very recently.
[22:24] <john_s> oh
[22:24] <john_s> haha
[22:24] <john_s> well see I wanted to compile nouveau didn't I ? :(((( I could have been done ages ago.
[22:24] <john_s> anyway
[22:25] <john_s> success I needed to add [arch=amd64,i386] to every deb line
[22:25] <Doglman> Hello. I'm dual booting Ubuntu 16.04 and am struggling to get my system to boot normally. I can start it using recovery mode but if I try and boot normally the grub prompt window for my SDA5 encryption won't let me type
[22:25] <Guest40123> hey 4 all
[22:25] <Guest40123> i need some help how to use zentyal
[22:26] <ducasse> john_s: a mainline kernel will give you a newer nouveau module, the x module is a very different story.
[22:27] <john_s> current is 4.4.0 for me....
[22:27] <john_s> erm...
[22:27] <ducasse> !mainline | john_s
[22:27] <blacknred0> Guest40123: you can join the #zentyal channel for that
[22:27] <Jordan_U> john_s: Using https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers *might* get you a new enough nouveau, but I can't oconfirm that yet.
[22:28] <john_s> what about edgers?
[22:29] <john_s> but I never said I just wanted to compile the library... I would have ventured across both.
[22:32] <jon5000> hello I am hoping someone can help:  Installed 16.04 on a yoga 13 laptop.  Touchscreen is not being recognized.  Previous installs on this computer recognized it and it worked beautifully.  When i typed xinput, the touchscreen was listed as ELAN.  Now with this installation it does not show up in the list at all
[22:33] <john_s> Jordan_U: do you think I only need the nouveau.ko (+ kernel) or also the nouveau library/driver?
[22:33] <Jordan_U> john_s: I don't know.
[22:34] <john_s> anyway I can't install kernels on live sessions so I am heading back to main machine.
[22:46] <Sven_vB> what's a good tool to mirror a Debian package repo partially, only some architectures and only some components for each?
[22:50] <ducasse> Sven_vB: debmirror? don't know if it can do both those things, though.
[22:50] <Sven_vB> ducasse, thy, i'll have a look
[22:51] <yeats> Sven_vB: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Debmirror
[22:51] <Sven_vB> channel log readers: apt describes it as "This program downloads and maintains a partial local Debian mirror. It can mirror any combination of architectures, distributions and sections."
[22:51] <Sven_vB> so it probably can do my filters. :)
[22:52] <Sven_vB> would be cool if I could get it to use git-annex for storing the blobs by their sha1
[22:53] <ducasse> Sven_vB: implement it and send a patch! :)
[22:54] <Sven_vB> ducasse, I prefer pull requests :)
[22:54] <john_s> remind me not to do heavy disk operation with a non-thin snapshot loaded on the same disk.
[22:55] <Jordan_U> john_s: Looks like you will need linux 4.6 or newer and mesa 11.2 or newer, again from https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1042258.html?sid=ee07cfb96b5b0bd079c1afee0e856f79 .
[22:59] <john_s> Jordan_U: all of the mesa I can find is 11.2 or higher, but there is a bunch I installed from edgers and didn't downgrade yet.
[23:01] <john_s> Jordan_U: basically all except one mesa package is 13.0.1
[23:02] <john_s> btw, the nouveau DRM package is already installed i386 and amd64
[23:03] <Guest50854> ciao
[23:04] <john_s> which would explain the interfacing towards the kernel driver
[23:05] <john_s> however I still don't have a 32-bit nouveau driver (library, module) for xorg.
[23:06] <john_s> maybe that's not needed...
[23:18] <jon5000> hello I am hoping someone can help:  Installed 16.04 on a yoga 13 laptop.  Touchscreen is not being recognized.  Previous installs on this computer recognized it and it worked beautifully.  When i typed xinput, the touchscreen was listed as ELAN.  Now with this installation it does not show up in the list at all
[23:21] <ducasse> jon5000: as you have tried here several times without reply, maybe try ##linux? if that doesn't help, try here on a weekday, it's usually quiet on weekends.
[23:24] <krad_> does anyone here use apitol one?
[23:26] <Guest50854> ciao
[23:26] <Guest50854> !list
[23:27] <xx1xx> how do I enable/disable services listed in /etc/init.d (without outright deleting them)?
[23:28] <akik> xx1xx: update-rc.d
[23:28] <xx1xx> I want the option to have them begin on startup in the future, but for now I do not want them starting on bootup
[23:28] <xx1xx> thanks akik I'll give that a try
[23:33] <finishingmove> I upgraded from 14.04 to 16.04, using the built-in updater. Now, on every startup, I see that my USB mouse and keyboard are not as responsive (mouse doesn't show or move until I click at least once, and keyboard doesn't start typing immediately, and even after that sometimes "eats" a keypress like Enter). I also hear a weird crackling sound at the login screen, and a notification appears in the top right corner showing that the audio
[23:33] <finishingmove> is muted (although I can perfectly hear the login drum sound). My setup is Laptop + HDMI monitor + USB keyboard + USB mouse + combo jack headphones/microphone.
[23:34] <finishingmove> Did anyone experience a similar problem perhaps?
[23:34] <St0ner1995> no, cant say i have. thats a strange issue
[23:34] <Phanes> hey isn't there a metapackage for developer tool systems, like make, gcc et al
[23:35] <ducasse> Phanes: build-essential
[23:36] <Phanes> ducasse, thanks
[23:53] <jon5000> ducasse, thx
[23:58] <JohnMcClain> ducasse is on point today.