[01:49] <daftykins> *yawn*
[02:42] <m0nkey_> Anyone recommend an e-mail host? I'm willing to pay for something decent.
[02:42] <daftykins> G suite \o/
[02:42] <daftykins> depends what you need
[02:42] <m0nkey_> just email
[02:43] <daftykins> right but that doesn't say what devices to access from, webmail option, technologies for grabbing it, blah blah
[02:44] <m0nkey_> mobile access for sure
[02:44] <m0nkey_> imap and probably webmail
[02:45] <daftykins> new setup or have you been doing something else?
[02:45] <m0nkey_> this will be new
[02:54] <daftykins> i love me the rapid setup of G suite though
[02:57] <daftykins> a wild diddledan_ clone
[03:00] <m0nkey_> power went out
[03:00] <m0nkey_> gotta power down
[03:00] <m0nkey_> cya for now
[03:00] <daftykins> o/
[03:06] <m0nkey_> power came back on
[03:06] <m0nkey_> gotta love UPSs
[03:08] <m0nkey_> shut down my server in case it was going to be out for longer, turned out it was only out for a few mins
[03:09] <daftykins> :D
[03:10] <daftykins> sometimes i've woken up to the alarm from downstairs and just left it \o/
[03:10] <m0nkey_> with the server shutdown, the ups in the closet can run the router, modem, switch and wifi for an hour :)
[03:11] <m0nkey_> and the ups at my desk will run for 20 mins, with my desk lamp on :)
[03:11] <m0nkey_> that's with my PC and desk lamp
[03:11] <m0nkey_> Turn off the lamp, I get 30mins
[03:11] <daftykins> i bought a C whatever to standard sockets so i could put my home router and switch on, i think mine'll go for ages if i turn off the server too
[03:12] <m0nkey_> that was a funny two minutes, i was the only one with wifi and lights on in the neighbourhood :D
[03:12] <daftykins> i've had the same UPS for years now, probably going to need a new one before too long
[03:13] <daftykins> hehe that happened one morning here, there was even some event in town that got a rude surprise - i hopped on here from my phone \o/
[08:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[09:00] <diplo> Morning all
[09:16] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:30] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Monday, and happy World Hello Day! 😃  👋
[09:36] <SuperMatt> print("Hello, JamesTait")
[09:37] <JamesTait> 20 GOTO 10
[09:37] <SuperMatt> print("Hello, JamesTait")
[09:38] <JamesTait> Hang on, I thought *I* was supposed to be the bot?
[09:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[10:36] <davmor2> JamesTait: for the opening line https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FrOQC-zEog and then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQHsXMglC9A and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_ILDFp5DGA  I think that covers it right
[10:46] <JamesTait> davmor2, not bad. ☺   Comfortably Numb is one of my all-time favourite songs.
[10:47] <davmor2> JamesTait: I thought it was a nice change from the two obvious ones
[10:48] <JamesTait> I was expecting https://youtu.be/hIcJxJL4MOM
[10:59] <davmor2> JamesTait: I might of stretched to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtQUJMBH8uE
[11:31] <diddledan> gotta love a good bit of lionel richie
[11:32] <diddledan> I do like hello by martin solveig and dragonette, too
[11:39] <foobarry> can i get later kernels on my LTS?
[11:42] <diddledan> foobarry: you can use any available HWE kernels (I forget the package naming scheme) or there is a PPA somewhere
[11:42] <foobarry> thats what i thought. my laptop no longer suspends
[11:42] <foobarry> would like something newer than 4.4.0
[11:43] <davmor2> JamesTait, diddledan: please forgive me I completely forgot about this which must say hello more than any other song ever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTWKbfoikeg
[11:44] <diddledan> foobarry: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[11:45] <foobarry> the HWE kernels don't seem to be available yet
[11:45] <foobarry> in 16.04
[11:47] <foobarry> ah http://askubuntu.com/questions/836260/how-can-i-use-16-10-yakkety-kernel-in-16-04-xenial
[11:49] <foobarry> suspend test 1/1 works on yakkety...
[11:52] <foobarry> sigh...broken still
[11:57] <davmor2> foobarry: stop suspending simple solution :P
[11:58] <zmoylan-pi> he likes been kept in suspense, i'll tell you all about it... tomorrow... :-P
[12:01] <foobarry> whats the alternative to suspend?
[12:01] <foobarry> turn off screen?
[12:01] <zmoylan-pi> hibernate?
[12:02] <foobarry> to disk? ewww
[12:02] <Seeker`> never turn off your computer, of leave the house if it's a laptop
[12:04] <zmoylan-pi> do you have access to a red dwarf stasis field? :-)
[12:07] <foobarry> it needs reinstalling
[12:09] <popey> what exactly is the issue?
[12:09] <popey> and have you considered capturing data and filing a bug to get it fixed?
[12:10] <popey> you can use an upstream kernel, to see if it's an ubuntu specific patch to blame, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[12:10] <diddledan> popey: wait, someone fixes stuff?
[12:11] <popey> e.g. http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.8/
[12:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi ppp
[12:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popry
[12:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey
[12:13] <foobarry> if i revert to pre dirty cow it work, so i might try that
[12:15] <popey> better to go forward than back
[12:18] <popey> hello SebthreeBQM10HD
[12:23] <foobarry> i just did something i'm ashamed of
[12:23] <foobarry> ran some scary polish app from a 3rd party repo
[12:23] <foobarry> netext73
[12:24] <foobarry> suspend desperation caused this madness
[12:25] <foobarry> i feel like a noob
[12:25] <foobarry> it said my APM was corrupt
[12:27] <foobarry> hmm "As I discovered, the issue was there was no suspend on lid close at all, the messages in dmesg are just of the i915 driver turning off the display on lid close and trying to put some of its chips into lowpower mode (and failing on "device 40"). Which would by itself a nice behavior, if it would not fail and no suspend is wanted. "
[13:42] <popey> foobarry: so, time to try different kernels maybe?
[13:45] <foobarry> this spooky polish software seemed to fix it
[13:45] <foobarry> 8 suspends and still working
[13:45] <popey> hah
[13:45] <popey> wonder what it does?
[13:45] <foobarry> something to do with APM
[13:45] <foobarry> its a system checker and gui tool for various system optimisations
[13:45] <popey> ah
[13:46] <davmor2> foobarry: did you even check to see if suspend on lid close was enabled in settings?
[13:46] <foobarry> yes
[13:47] <foobarry> it worked seamlessly on old kernels and haphazardly, mostly not on newer ones
[13:49] <foobarry> it updated my APM
[13:49] <foobarry> scary . no idea what it did
[13:51] <davmor2> foobarry: it installed a deep seated virus that is only activated on suspend and then sends all your keypresses to gchq and nsa but don't worry they never loses data
[13:52] <davmor2> foobarry: so you didn't suspend right?
[13:53] <foobarry> do machines usually ping after suspend?
[13:53] <foobarry> mine is
[13:53] <SuperMatt> maybe, because it might Wake on LAN
[13:55] <foobarry> in which case the ping is handled by creepy Intel IMT
[13:58] <foobarry> https://github.com/xuehuichao/freemind-latex handy for someone?
[14:06] <popey> no, computers don't respond to ping when suspended
[14:07] <foobarry> "Both Intel AMT and the host OS are able to respond to ICMP ping requests."
[14:09] <foobarry> aha
[14:09] <foobarry> suspend while on battery: no pings
[14:10] <foobarry> plug in power: pings return. quite high latency (4ms). thats the intel IAMT pinging
[14:10] <foobarry> remove power while suspended, pings stop.
[14:11] <foobarry> unsuspend, pings return at <0.5ms
[14:18] <popey> useful
[14:23] <diddledan> ok, this concept of running doom on everything ever is getting stupid: https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/21/doom-macbook-pro-touch-bar/
[14:25] <foobarry> what actually is the touch bar?
[14:26] <foobarry> a OLED touch sensitive slider?
[14:26] <foobarry> ah, https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/14/the-best-apps-for-macbook-pro-touch-bar-touch-id/
[14:26] <foobarry> like the Elite keyboard overlay
[14:26] <foobarry> i like it
[14:28] <diddledan> mannequins ftw http://digg.com/video/mannequin-challenge-gymnastics-texas-am
[14:30] <foobarry> wow digg still exists?
[14:32] <MoBeats> digg does it with ubuntu, just ask Damo.
[14:51] <foobarry> i think mike pound from computerphile is the best and most prominent advert for ubuntu
[14:51] <foobarry> canonical should send him some posters for his cubicle. it always looks bare
[14:54] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: I can run Doom on my Sandick Sansa E280 media player.
[14:54] <TwistedLucidity> "Sandisk". What a typo!
[14:55] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: sand-ick nope I don't get it :P
[14:57] <MoBeats> sans dick? apt-get install penis
[14:57] <foobarry> wow childish much
[14:57] <foobarry> willy jokes and its only monday!
[14:57] <MoBeats> it's a digg refernce... had to be there.
[16:05] <diddledan> oracle are buying dyn: https://www.oracle.com/corporate/acquisitions/dyn/index.html
[16:14] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/QUQrripCRuM?t=296
[16:16]  * davmor2 wait for the entire userbase to move to no-ip
[17:02] <diddledan> "Microsoft is planning to enable x86 on ARM64 emulation in Windows 10 by Fall 2017" http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-x86-on-arm64-emulation-a-windows-10-redstone-3-fall-2017-deliverable/
[17:09] <zmoylan-pi> so now 1-2 windows tablet users can use desktop windows very slowly? :-)
[19:23] <diddledan> https://theintercept.com/2016/11/16/the-nsas-spy-hub-in-new-york-hidden-in-plain-sight/
[19:24] <zmoylan-pi> just paint it pink and no one will notice...
[19:26] <davmor2> oh that's diddledan on the watch list ;)
[19:27] <zmoylan-pi> i think it's now cheaper for gchq to maintain a no watch list... and that just has jeremy clarkson's name on it... :-P
[20:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi