[00:00] <pezdispenser> pretty frustrated with this right now
[00:32] <billy_bob> Can someone help me get easytether to work with my android phone?
[00:32] <billy_bob> I'm having a problem
[00:37] <hello> but you dont have tethering in your phone already @ billy_bob
[00:39] <billy_bob> @hello, no I do not have tethering already on my phone
[00:39] <billy_bob> hello, I got a different tethering program to work for my windows boot, but I'm trying to get Ubuntu to work
[00:41] <billy_bob> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23509511/
[00:41] <billy_bob> is the error i get
[00:43] <wade_> hey whats up
[00:50] <hello> hi there ,
[00:50] <Marseillais> irc.unixircd.mk
[00:50] <Marseillais> #irc.unixircd.mk
[00:56] <eelstrebor> i got part of my problems fixed but i can't install wine without uninstalling a lot of stuff such as vlc (why would installing wine remove vlc?) - i guess i should try ANOTHER fresh install
[01:02] <lordcirth> eelstrebor, are you trying to install the wrong version of wine?  Follow the chain, see why it tries to remove vlc.  Different library versions, probably
[01:04] <SaintMoriarty> Hello after a month of not restarting my time is off by a minute or so, how can i force a ntpdate daily?
[01:06] <lordcirth> SaintMoriarty, isn't there a systemd service for that?
[01:06] <SaintMoriarty> not sure.... is there?
[01:06] <eelstrebor> lordcirth, wine 1.8 like my other boxes have
[01:07] <billy_bob> Can anyone recommend an easy to install tethering program I can connect to my android phone?
[01:07] <lordcirth> SaintMoriarty, systemctl status time-sync.target
[01:08] <SaintMoriarty> sudo: systemctl: command not found
[01:08] <SaintMoriarty> I am running Ubuntu 14.04
[01:08] <vfw> SaintMoriarty: Loose the :
[01:08] <lordcirth> SaintMoriarty, ah, you should say that, then
[01:09] <lordcirth> vfw, what?
[01:09] <squinty> the colon is part of the error message
[01:09] <vfw> do not type the colons
[01:09] <vfw> Oh ok.
[01:09] <squinty> he didn't
[01:10] <vfw> So, SaintMoriarty does not have sodo installed?
[01:10] <lordcirth> vfw, he does
[01:10] <vfw> SaintMoriarty: Not sure that is the exact error message.  Look again.
[01:10] <SaintMoriarty> it doesn't work either way vfw
[01:10] <lordcirth> SaintMoriarty, I think adding a cron job to run ntpdate might be easiest
[01:11] <squinty> SaintMoriarty,  are you sure you have ntp internet update checked in your Settings?
[01:11] <SaintMoriarty> should i do a release updatE?
[01:11] <lordcirth> vfw, the error message is exactly what it says, he doesn't have systemctl, because he's on 14.04
[01:11] <blackflow> ubuntu 14.04 does not have systemd nor systemctl
[01:11] <SaintMoriarty> squinty, where is that so I can check?
[01:11] <vfw> lordcirth: Oh ok.  Sorry.
[01:12] <squinty> SaintMoriarty,  System setting -> time and date
[01:12] <SaintMoriarty> im connect via ssh
[01:13] <lordcirth> cron may not be the perfect solution, but it will work
[01:14] <blackflow> or you can just start the ntpd service
[01:14] <blackflow> which should be installed and runnign btw. if it isn't, there should be a package for ntpd
[01:14] <blackflow> !info ntpd
[01:14] <blackflow> !info ntp
[01:15] <lordcirth> Oh right, I'm dumb.  I was thinking that ntpd was only for others to contact
[01:15] <blackflow> well, it does listen on public IPs, so make sure you put it behind a firewall.
[01:16] <SaintMoriarty> I do have it isntalled
[01:16] <lordcirth> SaintMoriarty, is it running?
[01:16] <SaintMoriarty> yes
[01:17] <lordcirth> does it's log have errors?
[01:17] <SaintMoriarty> no errors
[01:17] <SaintMoriarty> not sure if a frequency is set
[01:17] <SaintMoriarty> where are the configs?
[01:17] <lordcirth> presumably in /etc like everything else
[01:18] <vfw> blackflow: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/wily/man8/systemd-timesyncd.service.8.html
[01:18] <blackflow> vfw: what with it?
[01:19] <lordcirth> vfw, did you forget the bit where he doesn't have systemd?
[01:19] <squinty> 14.04 doesn't have systemd vfw   :-)
[01:19] <vfw> blackflow: Are you looking for time syncronization?  Oh, sorry.
[01:19] <blackflow> vfw: I'm not, SaintMoriarty is. :)
[01:19] <Bashing-om> SaintMoriarty: See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime .
[01:21] <vfw> blackflow: Well, systemd is available for 14.04
[01:21] <blackflow> maybe, but not installed by default
[01:21] <blackflow> and something tells me installing it would be a helluva PITA
[01:22] <vfw> blackflow: Ok, well maybe it's not such a good idea...
[01:22] <pezdispenser_> Hi,  I was trying to be able to stream my webcam to multiple souces,
[01:22] <blackflow> vfw: definitely not.
[01:23] <vfw> blackflow: But, I have heard from those that installed it on 14.04 and are doing ok, so I dono.
[01:23] <SaintMoriarty> i am going to do the release upgrade
[01:23] <SaintMoriarty> wish me luck
[01:23] <pezdispenser_> i used v4l2loopback to create copies of /dev/vid1 successfully,  but doesn't seem to work with skype or flash sites,  does anyone know how to do this ?
[01:24] <vfw> blackflow: ... anyway, sorry for the confusion / misinformation
[01:24] <blackflow> vfw: if it was ready for 14.04, it would've been part of it, or at least of 14.10, but it wasn't until 15.04
[01:34] <Vysty> I want to format my computer and reinstall Ubuntu. Does anyone have a good step-by-step resource that I can follow for doing that?
[01:35] <lordcirth> Vysty, reinstall, wiping everything?
[01:35] <Vysty> Ya.
[01:35] <thingfish> you don't really need a guide, it's so easy.
[01:35] <Vysty> My system has just gotten too buggy and I want to start fresh.
[01:36] <lordcirth> Vysty, boot the CD, and choose 'erase everything and install Ubuntu'
[01:36] <lordcirth> done
[01:36] <Vysty> Oh, I forgot to add: I need to back up all my stuff and put it back on the system.
[01:36] <lordcirth> so, not wiping everything
[01:36] <vfw> Vysty: The Ubuntu install process provides for re-formatting.
[01:36] <lordcirth> Vysty, copy your stuff somewhere else, then
[01:37] <Vysty> I've got a 1 TB external HD that I've backed up to using both SimpleBackup and the Backups program that's on Ubuntu 16.04
[01:37] <vfw> Vysty: But it may not be that difficult to fix what you have.
[01:37] <vfw> Vysty: What do you have installed now?
[01:37] <Vysty> vfw: I've been battling with problems for over a week now and I'm at the end of my rope. What do you recommend?
[01:37] <Vysty> 16.04. I just reinstalled from 14.04 and my system got buggy as hell.
[01:37] <lordcirth> Vysty, so if you have backups, why do you need a guide?  Have you tested the backups?
[01:38] <vfw> Vysty: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:38] <Vysty> lordcirth: No! How do I test them?
[01:38] <lordcirth> Vysty, well, you restore them somewhere.  I'm sure they work, but it is a general rule that untested backups aren't backups
[01:39] <Vysty> Ungh. That's what makes me nervous.
[01:39] <vfw> Vysty: What makes you nervous?
[01:39] <Vysty> That my backups may not have been done properly.
[01:40] <vfw> Vysty: Try the command I gave you.  See that it is fully updated.
[01:40] <vfw> Vysty: Do you have a separate partition for /home/ ?
[01:40] <Vysty> Good question. I don't remember.
[01:40] <Vysty> The last time I partitioned stuff was like... 2 years ago.
[01:41] <lordcirth> Yeah, if you have a separate /home, then it's easier
[01:41] <vfw> cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:41] <pos> vfw, don't
[01:41] <pos> Vysty, don't do what he tells you to do
[01:41] <lordcirth> why not?
[01:41] <Vysty> Heh, great.
[01:41] <pos> lordcirth, netcat?
[01:42] <vfw> pos: Why not?
[01:42] <Vysty> I already did that by the way.
[01:42] <neldogz> I have the proprietary NVidia drivers installed, can I upgrade to the latest kernel without breaking my system?
[01:42] <Vysty> Result: http://termbin.com/52n4
[01:42] <lordcirth> pos, what's wrong with pastebining fstab?
[01:42] <vfw> Vysty: Ok. No.  You do not have separate /home/ partition.
[01:42] <lordcirth> Vysty, so no, you don't have a separate home
[01:43] <Vysty> It's the hard way then, huh?
[01:43] <pos> nothing in and of itself, but fstab may contain sensitive details and do you really trust every step between you and termbin (or termbin itself)?
[01:43] <vfw> Vysty: So you need to make sure your backup is good.
[01:43] <Vysty> Well, are one of you guys able to help me determine the best course of action and help me through it?
[01:43] <lordcirth> your fstab shouldn't contain secrets, and if it did, I suspect he'd know
[01:43] <lordcirth> But fair point
[01:44] <Vysty> My Ubuntu knowledge is so pot-holed that I'm afraid to go working on it by myself.
[01:44] <vfw> pos: Really?  It does not have any personal information.
[01:44] <pos> UUIDs are universally identifiable, for instance
[01:44] <OerHeks> UUID's are not sensitive
[01:44] <Vysty> lordcirth: Yea I'm wondering what fstab is. :P (Don't worry about explaining it.)
[01:44] <lordcirth> vfw, it's possible for network mounts to have passwords specified
[01:44] <lordcirth> Vysty, the file that configures where to mount your filesystems
[01:44] <Bashing-om> neldogz: Doubtful, as the driver is built on the instaled kernel, A good chance in installing the new kernel that the driver will not build .
[01:44] <Vysty> And he told me anyway. :P
[01:44] <lordcirth> FileSystem TABle
[01:45] <lordcirth> Vysty, learning is good :)
[01:45] <OerHeks> if one puts passwords for mounting shares in fstab, yikes ..
[01:45] <vfw> lordcirth: Well, didn't think of that, but it is a rather remote possibility.
[01:45] <Vysty> Anyway, so how do I check to make sure my backups are good?
[01:45] <neldogz> Bashing-om, I was afraid of that, thank you for that
[01:45] <Vysty> It's still doing the apt-update.
[01:45] <vfw> lordcirth: And passwords can be changed.
[01:46] <lordcirth> vfw, well, that's not a good reason to leak passwords, lol
[01:46] <Bashing-om> neldogz: Should bot be a big deal to revert to nouveau .. and in the new kernel install the proprietary driver once more .
[01:46] <vfw> lordcirth: you and pos are overly parinoid.
[01:46] <pos> vfw, it's not paranoia if they really are out to get you
[01:47] <lordcirth> vfw, no, just him :P Besides, I work in IT, it's my job
[01:47] <neldogz> Bashing-om, good idea, I will give that a try :)
[01:47] <vfw> pos: lordcirth No passwords were compromised.  It's ok.
[01:48] <Vysty> vfw: How do I go about checking that my backups are good?
[01:50] <vfw> Vysty: Just have to look at the files and compare.  And you can do a second backup.  One of the two will be ok.
[01:50] <Vysty> I already did two.
[01:50] <Vysty> Which two different programs.
[01:50] <vfw> Vysty: You should be ok.
[01:50] <Vysty> With*
[01:50] <Vysty> alright then.
[01:51] <OerHeks> man rsync -c ( --checksum)
[01:51] <Vysty> When I go about this, is there a good reason to upgrade to 16.10 from 16.04?
[01:51] <lordcirth> Vysty, not really
[01:51] <Vysty> Or is hanging around 16.04 worthwhile?
[01:51] <vfw> Vysty: no
[01:51] <Vysty> Great.
[01:51] <vfw> !lts | Vysty
[01:51] <Vysty> Second, what's the best way to partition things, keeping in mind I have a backup to put back into the system.
[01:51] <OerHeks> only if you have recent hardware, 16.10 is oke
[01:52] <vfw> Vysty: I always like a separate /home/ partition.
[01:52] <reisio> Vysty: depends on whether you think you will be too lazy to upgrade in five solid years or not
[01:52] <Vysty> It's been awhile since I've done this. Aren't there several partitions I should be clear about having?
[01:52] <reisio> you only actually require one, /
[01:53] <reisio> it's frequently very convenient to also have a dedicated partition for swap, though
[01:53] <lordcirth> separate /home is nice, as you have seen
[01:53] <lordcirth> swap is good.
[01:53] <vfw> Vysty: Doing a fresh install with separate /home/ partition is nice and easy.
[01:53] <reisio> separate /home is fairly pointless
[01:53] <vfw> reisio: Really?
[01:53] <reisio> yup
[01:53] <lordcirth> Personally I have / and /home as btrfs subvolumes
[01:53] <lordcirth> But that's just me
[01:53] <reisio> if your distro can't be updated without a "fresh" reinstall, it's not a distro worth using (or you need to figure out how to properly use it)
[01:53] <blackflow> it's not pointless if you have a nice fs like ZFS
[01:53] <vfw> Vysty: I suggest / and /home/ and swap (three partitons). Depending on the size of your HD.
[01:54] <vfw> Vysty: What is the size of your HD?
[01:54] <reisio> it's always pointless, moreso if you use a single FS
[01:54] <blackflow> you can define encryption, compression, and other params different from the rest of the system
[01:54] <Vysty> 500 GB
[01:54] <reisio> the original ideal reason to use separate partitions was to specialize each partition with a different FS
[01:54] <reisio> which none of you are doing
[01:54] <vfw> Vysty: How much RAM?
[01:54] <Vysty> Uhh... how do I found out?
[01:54] <vfw> Vysty: free
[01:54] <vfw> free -h
[01:54] <Vysty> I forgot what this thing has.
[01:55] <pos> reisio, oh, ro,nuexec,nosuid,nodev are also valid options
[01:55] <Vysty> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:55] <Vysty> Oops.
[01:55] <Vysty>   total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available Mem:           3.6G        1.1G        312M         69M        2.2G        2.1G Swap:          3.7G          0B        3.7G
[01:55] <reisio> pos: hrmm?
[01:55] <lordcirth> noexec /home?  That's a bit much.  I use ~/bin
[01:55] <vfw> Vysty: I suggest 80G for /home, 4G for swap and the rest for /home/
[01:55] <lordcirth> nosuid makes sense
[01:55] <vfw> Vysty: Wrong
[01:55] <pos> I'm saying that one might use several partitions for other things than different fs
[01:56] <lordcirth> vfw, you mean 80GB / ? :P
[01:56] <reisio> 4gb for swap, the rest for /
[01:56] <vfw> Vysty: Correction:  80G for /, 4G for swap and the rest for /home/
[01:56] <Vysty> No.
[01:56] <vfw> lordcirth: Yes,
[01:56] <Vysty> I should have 500G
[01:56] <vfw> Vysty: What?
[01:57] <Vysty> I don't know remember why these partitions are broken up the way they are, but I've got a 321 GB partition here.
[01:57] <vfw> Vysty: sudo fdisk -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:57] <vfw> Vysty: Lets' have a look
[01:57] <ohlolz> my 16.10 usb installation loads the ubuntu dots but it doesn't offer me to try out or install ubuntu
[01:57] <Vysty> http://termbin.com/7lqo
[01:57] <ohlolz> ohlolz: just a black screen
[01:58] <ohlolz> help me pls
[01:58] <OerHeks> !nomodeset
[01:58] <anonvan94> Good Morning guys, just want to ask what application can we use to open .sketch files from sketchapp in mac
[01:58] <vfw> Vysty: Do you have a dual boot system?
[01:59] <ohlolz> i created the usb with Rufus
[01:59] <Vysty> Yes.
[01:59] <Vysty> Which can be wiped out.
[01:59] <OerHeks> anonvan94, export them to pdf > http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/65299/open-source-software-capable-of-open-sketch-files
[01:59] <Vysty> I kept Windows there just in case.
[01:59] <Vysty> Never used it.
[01:59] <ohlolz> can i just extract the ISO into an USB? or do i need Rufus to create something special?
[02:00] <cfhowlett> anonvan94, option B is to install wine > then install the .sketch app
[02:00] <vfw> Vysty: If you never use it, maybe you should just get rid of it.
[02:00] <Vysty> that's what's going to happen in this format I'm going to do.
[02:00] <anonvan94> DerHeks: Thanks for the url. I'll ask for pdf.
[02:00] <vfw> Vysty: Ok then.  Just do something like I suggested.
[02:01] <anonvan94> cfhowlett: Thanks man, I'll try it
[02:01] <cfhowlett> anonvan94, happy2help1
[02:01] <ohlolz> my intent to do a 16.10 usb installation loads the ubuntu dots but it doesn't offer me to try out or install ubuntu
[02:01] <ohlolz> my intent to do a 16.10 usb installation loads the ubuntu dots but it doesn't offer me to try out or install ubuntu just a black screen
[02:01] <Vysty> Alright, and we never had a consensus on whether to make a separate partition for the /home ?
[02:01] <reisio> ohlolz: try the minimal install image
[02:02] <vfw> Vysty: Yes, do it.
[02:02] <ohlolz> reisio: thanks
[02:02] <vfw> Vysty: Something like:  80G for /, 4G for swap and the rest for /home/
[02:02] <monlith___> I've ssh'ed into an ubuntu session and want to get a de running over ssh
[02:02] <monlith___> I believe this is possible according to various things I've found online
[02:02] <ohlolz> reisio: i don't know if i should try AMD64 or i386
[02:02] <monlith___> I know that I need to enable x forwarding and start x11 + lightdm
[02:02] <monlith___> Then launch my de
[02:03] <monlith___> But am having trouble doing this (not entirely sure how)
[02:03] <vfw> Vysty: If you ever do a fresh install again, you can leave /home/ partition as is.
[02:03] <OerHeks> monlith___, you "Installed lxde on base debian (no de)" ??
[02:03] <Vysty> Alright, then when I go to put my files back on, do I do that through a program or just click and drag?
[02:04] <monlith___> Yeah
[02:04] <reisio> ohlolz: probably amd64—what's your processor model?
[02:04] <monlith___> It's a friend's raspberry pi
[02:04] <vfw> Vysty: I don't know what you used to make the backups.
[02:04] <monlith___> I was wrong about the OS I think
[02:05] <Vysty> I used SimpleBackup in 14.04 right before I upgraded then Backups in 16.04
[02:05] <Vysty> Simple Backup created one big .rar file. Backups made a zillion little ones.
[02:05] <vfw> Vysty: Is it a gzip'ed file?
[02:05] <Vysty> Lemme look here.
[02:05] <vfw> Vysty: Did you just back-up /home/  ?
[02:06] <vfw> Vysty: Because that is all you want/need.
[02:06] <vfw> Vysty: If you did more than that, you need to re-do it.
[02:06] <Vysty> I think I just did /home. Shit.
[02:06] <Vysty> This is why I'm on here. I'm second-guessing everything that I did.
[02:07] <reisio> Vysty: rar file?
[02:07] <reisio> then that's a backup system not to use
[02:08] <vfw> Vysty: You can install SimpleBackup on your new install and restore via it's GUI interface.
[02:08] <vfw> Vysty: Ok, you need to back-up /home/Vysty/ and nothing more.
[02:09] <Vysty> Great.
[02:09] <Vysty> Will it make any difference if I go from Gnome --> Unity?
[02:09] <Vysty> I'm finally willing to give Unity a shot.
[02:09] <pwnguin> ever since i upgraded my laptop to 16.10, I get a lot of black boxes after suspend, until I restart unity with DISPLAY=:0 unity --replace
[02:09] <pwnguin> known bug?
[02:09] <vfw> Vysty: No, it should be ok that you  use Unity.
[02:10] <Vysty> Got it.
[02:10] <Vysty> Now, before I go and do that... something weird happened when I did my last reinstall.
[02:10] <vfw> Vysty: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/SimpleBackupSuite
[02:10] <ohlolz> reisio: intel pentium n3700 i think
[02:11] <Vysty> All my data... moved a little bit, and I'm not sure how and why.
[02:11] <ohlolz> reisio: intel pentium n3700 i think
[02:12] <ZummiG777> Hey all, I'm curious about using one of those Cardboard-type 3D headsets to stream my Ubuntu desktop to my android phone, just to see if it can be done.  Does anybody know of good ways to do this?  I've seen SplashTop2, but it is only listed for older versions of Ubuntu.
[02:12] <vfw> Vysty: Ok, well what I saw in your fstab file is that you only used two of three partitions that were created for the Ubuntu install.  (You had about a 100G partition that you aparently did not use.)  I think that is what you are refering to.
[02:12] <ohlolz> reisio: amd64 or i386?
[02:13] <Vysty> vfw: right now in my /home, there is nothing but fresh install stuff. However, I have another 321 GB Volume drive, and if I go there, then go to "home", then "vyst", that's where all my data is.
[02:13] <SaintMoriarty> just finished the upgrade
[02:13] <pwnguin> http://imgur.com/a/xVsxU <-- compositor glitches
[02:13] <reisio> ohlolz: amd64
[02:13] <arthur_010> hello
[02:13] <arthur_010> :)
[02:13] <ohlolz> reisio: thank you
[02:13] <arthur_010> does anyone here knows peppermint os?
[02:14] <reisio> arthur_010: #polls
[02:14] <arthur_010> #polls
[02:14] <arthur_010> what
[02:14] <arthur_010> ?
[02:14] <cfhowlett> !ot | arthur_010
[02:14] <Vysty> vfw: Does that change anything or does that look normal?
[02:14] <cfhowlett> arthur_010, this is ubuntu. for peppermint, find it on google
[02:14] <arthur_010> @cfhowlett ok
[02:14] <arthur_010> @thanks
[02:14] <cfhowlett> bestofluck arthur_010
[02:15] <ApoKaLipS>  /server us.undernet.org
[02:15] <arthur_010> !ot | cfhowlett o
[02:16] <arthur_010> what the hell
[02:16] <arthur_010> goodbye
[02:16] <Vysty> vfw: Did I lose ya?
[02:17] <vfw> Vysty: It really doesn't matter if you re-partition the whole drive.  But it appears that your present install does not use the sda4 partiton.
[02:18] <Vysty> vfw: did you see what I wrote about all my data being in a different spot?
[02:19] <vfw> Vysty: Not sure what you mean "in my /home, there is nothing but fresh install stuff".  (That statement does not make any sense.)
[02:19] <vfw> Vysty: You may need to clarify what you said up there.
[02:20] <Vysty> Allow me to clarify.
[02:20] <Vysty> So when I open up "Files" on Unity here, and if I go to Home, none of my data from my previous install is there.
[02:21] <Vysty> "Fresh Install Stuff" are folders like Documents, Downloads, Music, etc. (There's nothing in them.)
[02:21] <vfw> Vysty: ls -l /home  #just paste it here, should be just one line.
[02:21] <vfw> Vysty: if not use pastebin
[02:21] <vfw> Vysty: ls -l /home |& nc termbin.com 9999
[02:22] <Vysty> http://termbin.com/4er9
[02:22] <vfw> Vysty: All your files are in /home/vyst  (as they should be)
[02:23] <Vysty> Whew.
[02:23] <Vysty> Sorry for being paranoid.
[02:23] <Vysty> I just want to ... triple mega ultra check.
[02:23] <vfw> Vysty: So if you look at the output of ls /home/vyst  you will see all your personal fils, (mostly just directories).
[02:24] <Vysty> Awesome.
[02:24] <Vysty> Could you look up how to install Simplebackup from the terminal for me? My computer is crashing when I open the Software Center.
[02:25] <vfw> Vysty: du -Sh /home/vyst  #Show us the last line, just paste it here.
[02:26] <Vysty> 60K /home/vyst
[02:26] <vfw> Vysty: sudo apt-get install simplebackup
[02:26] <vfw> Vysty: Is that all?
[02:27] <vfw> Vysty: only 60K?
[02:27] <Vysty> That's what it spit out.
[02:28] <Vysty> What's that number for?
[02:29] <vfw> Vysty: It is only 60 kilobytes
[02:29] <vfw> Vysty: That is like alomst nothing.  Are you sure?
[02:29] <Vysty> You want a screenshot? I copied and pasted.
[02:31] <overhop> How do you use grep to find a word that starts with one letter and end in another
[02:31] <Vysty> I know 60K is kilobytes, but 60K for what?
[02:32] <vfw> Vysty: That is all you have.  All of your personal files amounts to only 60 kylobytes.
[02:33] <Vysty> Yea that's silly.
[02:33] <Vysty> That's what my concern is---all my stuff isn't in my /home folder, it's somewhere else.
[02:34] <cfhowlett> !home | Vysty,
[02:35] <Vysty> I'm taking a screen shot.
[02:35] <vfw> Vysty: You can just pastebin
[02:35] <krytarik> vfw, Vysty: '-S' excludes the subdirectories.
[02:36] <vfw> krytarik: I don't think so
[02:36] <Vysty> What's a good site to upload a picture to?
[02:36] <Vysty> I want you guys to see the GUI version of what I'm talking about.
[02:36] <cfhowlett> imgur Vysty
[02:36] <Vysty> http://imgur.com/a/WJjlq
[02:37] <Vysty> See on the left that 321 GB Volume thing?
[02:37] <Vysty> The "home" folder in there is different from the Home folder on the left side of the navigator.
[02:37] <Vysty> The "home" folder in the 321 GB is the one with all my data in it.
[02:38] <cfhowlett> Vysty, and what is inside the /home folder?
[02:38] <Vysty> The one in the 321 GB folder or the other one?
[02:38] <vfw> Vysty: du -Sh /home/vyst |& nc termbin
[02:38] <vfw> Vysty: du -Sh /home/vyst |& nc termbin.com 9999
[02:39] <Vysty> http://termbin.com/ak0o
[02:41] <vfw> krytarik: You're right.  Sorry.
[02:42] <vfw> Vysty: du |sort -n |& nc termbin.com 9999
[02:42] <vfw> Vysty: du /home |sort -n |& nc termbin.com 9999
[02:42] <vfw> Vysty: First one was typo
[02:43] <user001> ned some help regarding restoring my root partition
[02:43] <user001> in ext 4
[02:43] <Vysty> http://termbin.com/bwzp
[02:43] <user001> I was able until now to mount it using thunar in xubuntu
[02:44] <user001> but now I cant mount it via thunar any more e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/mapper/luks-79a5cf84-516e-4783-b464-09b00d08a724
[02:46] <xxxx> hi
[02:46] <vfw> Vysty: So you have less than 2.5G in /home/vyst
[02:47] <vfw> Vysty: That's pretty normal.  And a very small amount that could be easily placed on a thumb drive.
[02:47] <powerchord84> hi all
[02:47] <user001> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23509873/
[02:47] <powerchord84> I'm trying to use a program called youtube-dl.  however, I when I go to the dir and attempt to use it i get the following output:
[02:47] <user001> I am via a live thumb usb
[02:47] <powerchord84> root@brian-MacBookPro:/usr/local/bin# ls
[02:47] <powerchord84> youtube-dl
[02:47] <powerchord84> root@brian-MacBookPro:/usr/local/bin# youtube-dl ?
[02:47] <powerchord84> bash: /usr/bin/youtube-dl: No such file or directory
[02:47] <powerchord84> root@brian-MacBookPro:/usr/local/bin# youtube-dl
[02:48] <Vysty> What? I have 100+ GB worth of stuff.
[02:48] <tgm4883> vfw: he's been saying for about the last half hour that his stuff is on a different drive
[02:48] <vfw> Vysty: I don't know about that...
[02:49] <Vysty> I do know. I'm looking at it.
[02:49] <powerchord84> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23509875/
[02:49] <vfw> tgm4883: So what is on this different drive?
[02:49] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, go to the directory and use it?  what?  go to your DOWNLOAD directory (or Video) and enter the command there, e.g. youtube-dl DownloadUrlHere
[02:49] <Vysty> Movies and books and music and pictures and tons of stuff.
[02:49] <vfw> tgm4883: Is it a USB drive?
[02:49] <xxxx> ubuntu software for photo editing really fast at opening? i just want basic configurations.. contrast/bright/crop/save , for example.. quick edit 100 photos opening one by one and not all at same ??
[02:49] <Vysty> But there appear to be two /home/vyst's
[02:49] <powerchord84> cfthowlett, I'm not sure what you mean.  i am in the dir on the command line.
[02:49] <tgm4883> vfw: he's mentioned multiple times that it's showing up in the file explorer as separate
[02:50] <linokurta> powerchord84: give output of ls -l /usr/bin/youtube-dl
[02:50] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, which youtube-dl        will tell you if it is installed or not
[02:50] <tgm4883> vfw: meaning it's not in /home at all, so asking for a du of that directory is pointless
[02:50] <Vysty> tgm: Thankyou, that's what I was trying to say.
[02:50] <powerchord84> I am trying to update it
[02:50] <tgm4883> !tab | Vysty
[02:50] <vfw> tgm4883: see:  http://termbin.com/52n4
[02:50] <powerchord84> it says no such file or directory...
[02:51] <xxxx> or command-based editing image?
[02:51] <Vysty> tgm4883: Thanks.
[02:51] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, so you do not have it installed then
[02:51] <user001> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23509881/
[02:51] <powerchord84> http://www.tecmint.com/install-youtube-dl-command-line-video-download-tool/#
[02:51] <user001> any ideas ?
[02:51] <elGALLO> installed 16.04 server CLI only. installed desktop minimal but my passwd doesnt work on GUI only ssh. any ideas
[02:51] <tgm4883> vfw: great. You've proved that he doesn't have it mounted in fstab. That's not where you would see it anyway
[02:51] <powerchord84> but when I do LS, it shows up green.
[02:51] <vfw> Vysty: mount |& nc termbin.com 9999
[02:51] <powerchord84> isn't that a file name?
[02:51] <user001> I saw this but does not seem to help
[02:51] <user001> https://linuxexpresso.wordpress.com/2010/03/31/repair-a-broken-ext4-superblock-in-ubuntu/
[02:51] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, youtube-dl is a PROGRAM not a filename
[02:52] <powerchord84> i used this command udo wget https://yt-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl -O /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl
[02:52] <powerchord84> sudo*
[02:52] <powerchord84> and it did a bunch of stuff and appeared to have installed
[02:52] <vfw> tgm4883: Then unravel this mystery.  What files does he need to backup?  (That is his question.)
[02:52] <Vysty> vwf: http://termbin.com/ifoa
[02:52] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, wait, what?  that is NOT how you install.  at best, it might download files to that location.
[02:52] <powerchord84> ok, so when i type 'ls' and youtube-dl is listed in green, what does that mean
[02:52] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, sudo apt install youtube-dl
[02:52] <powerchord84> oh...im still new to this.
[02:53] <Vysty> tgm4883: This is the directory that has all my stuff: http://imgur.com/a/WJjlq
[02:53] <Vysty> tgm4883: This is the "fake" home directory: http://imgur.com/a/6QeBG
[02:53] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, we  install through the software center or via sudo apt commands
[02:53] <tgm4883> Vysty: it's not a fake home directory. It's just not mounted in the right place
[02:53] <powerchord84> ok i did that command, cfhowlett, i think it installed...
[02:53] <Vysty> tgm4883: Didn't know what to call it. That's why I put fake in quotes.
[02:54] <tgm4883> vfw: he needs to backup /media/vyst/ece34dc7-c163-4b48-9cee-24e770c43f05/home/<USER>
[02:54] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, then use the command properly.  open a terminal.  put it youtube-dl URLGoesHere
[02:54] <powerchord84> "It looks like you installed youtube-dl with a package manager, pip, setup.py or a tarball. Please use that to update."
[02:54] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, in other words, improperly installed.  sudo apt install youtube-dl
[02:54] <Vysty> tgm4883:  There we go! NOW, once I have it backed up, can I re-load it into the /home directory after reinstall?
[02:55] <vfw> tgm4883: So is it a USB drive?
[02:55] <powerchord84> i did that.  then i ran the update command
[02:55] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, what exact command?
[02:55] <tgm4883> vfw: no, well it could be, but it doesn't necessarily mean it is one.
[02:55] <powerchord84> and the above message is what I got.
[02:55] <vfw> Vysty: tgm4883 Why is it not already in the /home directory?
[02:55] <powerchord84>  youtube-dl -U
[02:55] <cash> Hi Everyone
[02:55] <Vysty> vfw: I wish I knew.
[02:55] <cash> How is the Ubuntu Team?
[02:55] <Vysty> vfw: When I upgraded to 16.04, that happened.
[02:56] <tgm4883> Vysty: what's the output of "du /media/vyst/ece34dc7-c163-4b48-9cee-24e770c43f05/home/ |sort -n |& nc termbin.com 9999"
[02:56] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, no no and no.  that is NOT update command.  sudo apt update youtube-dl
[02:56] <tgm4883> vfw: why WOULD it be in the home directory?
[02:56] <powerchord84> oh
[02:56] <youssoupha> hi
[02:56] <powerchord84> "the update command takes no arguments"
[02:56] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[02:56] <powerchord84> this is quite frustrating...i did not know there were so many ways to install/update.
[02:57] <vfw> Vysty: tgm4883 sda2 is one of the old MS Windows partitions. Right?
[02:57] <powerchord84> ok, running that now
[02:57] <powerchord84> what did that do exactly
[02:57] <tgm4883> vfw: could be
[02:57] <Vysty> tgm4883:  Doing it... it's taking  asecond.
[02:57] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, sudo apt update refreshes your library and checks it against available updates.  sudo apt dist-upgrade updates all available installed packages
[02:58] <Vysty> http://termbin.com/owwu
[02:58] <powerchord84> do you know what this means?
[02:58] <powerchord84> [youtube] ZChXK2rdr9M: Downloading webpage
[02:58] <powerchord84> [youtube] ZChXK2rdr9M: Downloading video info webpage
[02:58] <powerchord84> [youtube] ZChXK2rdr9M: Extracting video information
[02:58] <powerchord84> [youtube] ZChXK2rdr9M: Downloading js player en_US-vflSldmkq
[02:58] <powerchord84> ERROR: Signature extraction failed: Traceback (most recent call last):
[02:59] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, try a different video
[02:59] <tgm4883> Vysty: my bad, I had altered one of the previous commands you were told to run, in any case, does that look like all your stuff?
[03:00] <Vysty> tgm4883:  Yup, all the porn is here. :D
[03:00] <powerchord84> ok
[03:00] <vfw> tgm4883: Where do you see /media/vyst/ece34dc7-c163-4b48-9cee-24e770c43f05/home/ >
[03:00] <vfw> ?
[03:00] <tgm4883> Vysty: what's the output of "du -h /media/vyst/ece34dc7-c163-4b48-9cee-24e770c43f05/home/ | tail -n 1 | nc termbin.com 9999"
[03:00] <tgm4883> vfw: logic
[03:01] <Vysty> http://termbin.com/j9w9
[03:01] <tgm4883> vfw: Vysty said he had a 321GB drive with a /home/ on it, /media/vyst/ece34dc7-c163-4b48-9cee-24e770c43f05 is ext4, so call it an educated guess
[03:01] <tgm4883> Vysty: ok, so there is 185GB of stuff there
[03:02] <Vysty> That sounds about right.
[03:03] <tgm4883> Vysty: ok, so then that is the one you need to backup. Personally, I'd just backup the files inside that directory that I wanted to save rather than everything, but you can do either
[03:04] <tgm4883> Vysty: you've got a place to back that up to?
[03:04] <vfw> tgm4883: Vysty  So what is really there?  Is it just a lot of backups?
[03:05] <vfw> tgm4883: I'm seeing /dev/sdb1 on /media/vyst/My Passport   (Looks like a USB backup drive.)
[03:05] <vfw> tgm4883: But only Vysty knows what is on it.
[03:05] <Vysty> You mean just copy and paste the files I want instead of trying to use a backup program?
[03:05] <tgm4883> vfw: yea I saw that too.
[03:06] <tgm4883> Vysty: well I'd use rsync, but yea. You could do it either way
[03:06] <vfw> Vysty: We are just trying to figure out what you have now, and what is important to you to save or backup.  (It appears that you have a backup HD plugged in to a USB port.  Right?)
[03:06] <tgm4883> Vysty: in any case, you need to backup the home directory on that partition (the long one) and then when you restore you can restore it to your actual home directory provided you have enough space
[03:07] <Vysty> Right.
[03:07] <Vysty> And I have made backups already, I just don't trust them as of yet.
[03:07] <Vysty> tgm4883: Awesome, that's the answer I wanted to hear.
[03:07] <tgm4883> Vysty: I need to go make dinner soon, so I don't really have time to walk you through all of this. But it's my understanding from your output that you have 3 drives. 1 External USB passport drive and 2 internal hard drives. Is that correct?
[03:08] <tgm4883> wait nm, just 2 drives
[03:08] <tgm4883> 1 internal, 1 external USB
[03:08] <vfw> tgm4883: Did you look at http://termbin.com/7lqo  ?
[03:08] <tgm4883> a bunch of partitions on the internal drive
[03:08] <tgm4883> vfw: no I didn't see that, looking now
[03:09] <Vysty> tgm4883:  Correct.
[03:09] <elGALLO> installed 16.04 server CLI only. installed desktop minimal but my passwd doesnt work on GUI only ssh. any ideas?
[03:09] <vfw> tgm4883: It is the output of   sudo fdisk -l
[03:09] <tgm4883> Vysty: are you planning on completely wiping the internal drive?
[03:10] <overhop> ntfs is the best option if you plan on using windows as well
[03:10] <vfw> tgm4883: That is what he said earlier.  He said that he has those MS Windows partitions but does not use them.
[03:10] <Vysty> Yes. Wiping everything.
[03:11] <vfw> tgm4883: But why did fdisk not see sdb?
[03:11] <tgm4883> vfw: IDK, was it not plugged in at that point?
[03:11] <Vysty> It wasn't plugged in at that point, yes.
[03:11] <vfw> /dev/sdb1 on /media/vyst/My Passport type fuseblk   ????
[03:11] <vfw> Oh ok.
[03:11] <tgm4883> :)
[03:11] <vfw> Vysty: SO, what size is it?
[03:11] <Vysty> 1 TB
[03:12] <vfw> Vysty: What is on it?
[03:12] <Vysty> Backups
[03:12] <Vysty> I bought it for the purpose of doing backups.
[03:12] <vfw> Vysty: ok, that's what I thought.
[03:13] <vfw> Vysty: Then you are good to go. If you have what you need on the USB HD, go on with the install.
[03:13] <Vysty> Good, then I should be able to restore this weird directory I have into the home folder after the reinstall, right?
[03:13] <vfw> Vysty: Just use your latest backup of /home/vyst  Or make a new one.
[03:13] <tgm4883> Vysty: vfw ok, i'm off to cook dinner. I would suggest either A) Backing up /media/vyst/ece34dc7-c163-4b48-9cee-24e770c43f05/home/<USER> using some sort of backup utility that keeps the permissions on the files (since you're backing up to a non ext formatted drive) or B) backing up just the files you want to keep (media/docs/etc) and losing the config files
[03:13] <tgm4883> and such which would give you more of a clean slate
[03:14] <Vysty> tgm4883:  The former or the latter would give me the clean slate?
[03:14] <tgm4883> Vysty: vfw I would definitely verify that the backups exist on that drive before wiping
[03:14] <overhop> use checksums
[03:14] <tgm4883> Vysty: if you just backup your media/docs, that would give you a clean slate
[03:15] <vfw> tgm4883: But if he puts them in /home/vyst the ownership and permissions should be ok.
[03:15] <tgm4883> Vysty: because when you reinstall and restore your backup, you wouldn't be restoring old config files
[03:15] <user001> anyone can help me out recover an ext4 partition ?
[03:15] <Vysty> Ungh, I wish I had one of you guys over my shoulder to help with this.
[03:15] <tgm4883> vfw: he's going to lose the permissions on the files
[03:15] <cfhowlett> !ask | user001
[03:15] <vfw> tgm4883: Not really.
[03:16] <Vysty> tgm4883: You wouldn't be coming back here after dinner, would you?
[03:16] <vfw> tgm4883: Because when he writes them to /home/vyst, they will be set to 755
[03:16] <tgm4883> vfw: um, do you know about some deep secret of fat32/ntfs filesystems that keeps non-ACL permissions?
[03:16] <tgm4883> vfw: 755 isn't always the right permission
[03:16] <vfw> tgm4883: no
[03:16] <user001> cfhowlett fdisk -l output http://paste.ubuntu.com/23509957/
[03:16] <tgm4883> vfw: for instance, SSH keys would be pretty unhappy with 755
[03:17] <user001> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23509881/
[03:17] <user001> inside the luks there is supposed to be an ext4 filesystem
[03:17] <vfw> Vysty: Do you use secure shell auto login?
[03:18] <tgm4883> Vysty: I was hoping I wouldn't have to, I know this seems like a daunting task, but it's actually pretty vanilla
[03:18] <Vysty> vfw: whazzat?
[03:18] <cfhowlett> user001, sorry, luks is outside of my experience.  keep these two links and ask the channel at 15 minute intervals.  someone will know.
[03:18] <Vysty> tgm4883: You don't have to at all. I super appreciate what you've done so far.
[03:18] <vfw> tgm4883: He used simplebackup
[03:18]  * tgm4883 goes to lookup simplebackup
[03:18] <vfw> !info simplebackup | tgm4883
[03:18] <Vysty> tgm4883: I just want to make sure that my backups are really protected, and that I really start with a clean slate.
[03:18] <user001> cfhowlett I dont need your luks experience
[03:18] <user001> I have mounted an image
[03:18] <user001> fo all intents and purposes is unreadable
[03:19] <vfw> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/SimpleBackupSuite
[03:19] <user001> can you help out ?
[03:19] <tgm4883> hmm, help.ubuntu.com throwing a 500 error
[03:19] <tgm4883> vfw: is this it http://www.simpledatabackup.net/
[03:19] <cfhowlett> sorry, user001, but luks does factor in here.  again, ask the channel.  someone else will know more.
[03:20] <tgm4883> Vysty: do you have a second computer?
[03:20] <Vysty> tgm4883: Yes, I can use my wife's computer.
[03:20] <vfw> user001: I looked before and it appears that you have file system errors that you need to fix.  Make sure it is un-mounted first.
[03:20] <user001> are sure about the luks playing a factor here ? cause I can decrypt it
[03:21] <cfhowlett> user001, let's not go there just yet  :)
[03:21] <tgm4883> Vysty: ok, so do this. Backup your data to your external drive, unplug it and take it to your wife computer, verify you have everything you need on there. Once you've verified it's on that drive, do the reinstall on your computer (don't plug the backup drive back in yet)
[03:21] <tgm4883> Vysty: once you've reinstalled, then do the restore
[03:21] <user001> vfw http://paste.ubuntu.com/23509995/
[03:21] <Vysty> tgm4883: Great, do you recommend using simplebackup?
[03:21] <tgm4883> Vysty: I've never used that
[03:21] <Vysty> tgm4883: What do you recommend?
[03:22] <tgm4883> Vysty: but from the looks of it (if that link is correct) it looks fine
[03:22] <user001> sorry
[03:22] <user001> cfhowlett
[03:22] <tgm4883> Vysty: you just did a "direct file copy"?
[03:22] <user001> I am soliciting the irc help for an other reason
[03:22] <Vysty> No, I used Simple Backup and Backups.
[03:22] <user001> because I get signals that it is a zfs partition
[03:22] <user001> which is not
[03:23] <user001> it's ext4 partition
[03:23] <user001> I saw this https://linuxexpresso.wordpress.com/2010/03/31/repair-a-broken-ext4-superblock-in-ubuntu/
[03:23] <promet> does anyone have an opinion on which of the vnc servers you think is best for 16.04?
[03:24] <cfhowlett> promet, please restrict polls of this kind to #ubuntu-offtopic.  Thank you.
[03:24] <neldogz> if i have the proprietary nvidia drivers installed, can i upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10?
[03:24] <promet> cfhowlett, roger that
[03:24] <user001> also this http://paste.ubuntu.com/23510014/
[03:25] <linocisco> hi all, I want to get direct download link for ubuntu Live CD iso
[03:26] <kostkon> http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[03:26] <tgm4883> Vysty: I can't pull up information on that program, but if you do a backup with it and you can see all your files in your backup location that's generally a good thing
[03:27] <Vysty> tgm4883: And if all else fails, just a direct drag'n'drop works, yea?
[03:28] <tgm4883> Vysty: yea that would work too
[03:28] <Vysty> tgm4883:  Great. I'm going to go through and delete a bunch of crap then get on it.
[03:29] <linocisco> kostkon, I dont see live CD image
[03:29] <tod_shis> Vysty whats the backup drive formated as?
[03:29] <Vysty> tod_shis: How do I find out?
[03:30] <tgm4883> linocisco: any of the desktop images are live images
[03:30] <cfhowlett> linocisco, click on the release you want.
[03:30] <tod_shis> disk manager or gparted
[03:30] <linocisco> tgm4883, cfhowlett thanks
[03:31] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[03:31] <powerchord84> if i have a folder shared in windows, is it accessible on this linux box?
[03:31] <cfhowlett> powerchord84, normally, no but possibly on samb
[03:31] <powerchord84> i used file explorer in linux, but when I double click on the workgroup, it times oout.
[03:31] <cfhowlett> !samba | powerchord84
[03:31] <powerchord84> thank you
[03:31] <overhop> sftp
[03:31] <overhop> owncloud
[03:32] <PeterX> hey guys im totally new to ubuntu and linux. The battery in my laptop is bugging. Its always at 0%. How do i turn off the Ubuntu Critical battery notification that keeps coming up at the top right of my screen?
[03:33] <kostkon> linocisco: Ubuntu stopped having separate isos for install and live CDs like 9 years ago
[03:33] <overhop> net install
[03:33] <cfhowlett> !details | overhop,
[03:34] <tod_shis> PeterX easy way is pull the battery out
[03:35] <tod_shis> its not good to have a duff batt on charge anyway
[03:36] <PeterX> tod_shis: hmm. Yea but is there really no easy way inside Ubuntu to turn that off?
[03:37] <tod_shis> its on the panel?
[03:37] <tod_shis> rt click and remove it
[03:38] <PeterX> tod_shis: no its not the battery symbol. its an notification that keeps poping up in the right of the screen and it makes a "beep" sound
[03:39] <vfw> linocisco: Vysty The backups are more than likely gzipped
[03:41] <tod_shis> PeterX depending on desktop/wm thes options in  menu somewhere
[03:41] <tod_shis> power management eg..
[03:42] <vfw> PeterX: Is it plugged in?
[03:42] <PeterX> vfw: yea
[03:42] <linocisco> vfw, are you talking to me?
[03:43] <vfw> linocisco: What?
[03:43] <linocisco> vfw, "backups are more than likely gzipped. ", u said
[03:43] <vfw> PeterX: You may have a hardware problem.  Either bad battery or weak power supply.
[03:44] <PeterX> vfw: yes. but cant i turn the notification off?
[03:44] <vfw> linocisco: Wrong nick.  But my comment was that most backups are done with gzip compression and ownership and permissions are saved.
[03:45] <tod_shis> tring to charge a bad battery puts a strain on the psu
[03:45] <vfw> I left for a while ....
[03:45] <vfw> tod_shis: You are correct.
[03:46] <vfw> PeterX: So after a while, you end up with both battery and power supply bad and in need of replacement.
[03:46]  * tod_shis has batteryless lappy-much lighter
[03:47] <cash> Hi Experts - broadcom-sta-dkms OR bcmwl-kernel-source... what is the difference?
[03:47] <cfhowlett> !broadcom | cash
[03:48] <lehonti> Anybody there?
[03:48] <chris__> Hi there!
[03:48] <lehonti> Hi!
[03:48] <PeterX> vfw: nah its just a weird bug. battery works fine. power supply works fine. Somehow the value an OS reads as the batterylevel seems to be bugged on my hardware.
[03:48] <vfw> PeterX: Well, I don't know about that.  What versionb of Ubuntu are you running?
[03:49] <tod_shis> oh...
[03:49] <PeterX> vfw erm how to check?
[03:49] <PeterX> 16 something
[03:49] <chris__> I have a simple question which makes me headaches actually... i just want to use php7.0-cli with php7.0-sqlite3 ... PHP says the extension is loaded and enabled but it knows no sqlite3 functions?
[03:49] <lehonti> I am just testing the IRC client bundled with ubuntu...Anyway, does anyone have software project ideas?
[03:49] <tod_shis> sounds like a acpi prob
[03:49] <cfhowlett> !contribute | lehonti
[03:50] <lehonti> I mean, just some free program they wish they could have
[03:50] <lehonti> Not just ubuntu
[03:50] <lehonti> I want my program to be very portable
[03:50] <lehonti> I just want ideas. I just want to donate my work
[03:50] <lehonti> my coding work
[03:50] <lehonti> to the community
[03:50] <cfhowlett> lehonti, read the link and please stop hitting <enter>
[03:50] <lehonti> in my free time
[03:52] <chris__> ... is this a bug, can't imagine that php7.0-sqlite support is broken...??
[03:53] <cash> !broadcom
[03:54] <cash> cfhouwlett broadcom-sta-dkms isnt listed on that page. Iirc it also installs the wl driver
[03:54] <cash> but i wanted to see if anyone here could help me know the difference
[03:56] <ChineseHoax> ubuntu is a Chinese hoax
[03:56] <cfhowlett> ChineseHoax, stop it
[03:56] <cfhowlett> play somewhere else
[03:57] <chris__> sqlite3  SQLite3 support => enabled SQLite3 module version => 0.7-dev SQLite Library => 3.11.0
[03:57] <chris__> this is what php outputs....
[03:57] <chris__> i think this should work... but it doesn't know any functionnames...
[03:58] <PeterX> is this command line legit: "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:leolik/leolik"?
[03:59] <lehonti> @cfhowlett, thanks. I read the link. I don't think that's what I'm looking for. The link talks about (superfluous IMO) media apps, but I want to develop software that will be widely useful, like SDL, SQLite, openCV, etc, or maybe a free alternative to a very useful proprietary software package. I have a lot of technical knowledge and programming experience to make it happen, but I have zero imagination
[03:59] <ChineseHoax> fresh off the minting press  start tor browser on boot only after wifi connected https://thepasteb.in/p/lOhOWJ7Dmk8iB
[03:59] <Vysty> I recently reinstalled 16.04 from 14.04 and one of my directories is broken. I had an encrypted folder titled "Private" that now is a broken link. How do I find my directory?
[03:59] <cfhowlett> lehonti, as this is the ubuntu support channel, I move this discussion to #ubuntu-offotpic
[04:00] <cfhowlett> #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:02] <Vysty> Anyone able to answer my question?
[04:02] <vfw> Vysty: I don't use enbcrypted dirctories, but I'm pretty sure that they need to bu un-encrypted before doing something like this.  Not sure what to do about that.
[04:03] <Vysty> vfw: Theoretically I have it backed up, but that was my main folder of stuff.
[04:04] <Jen909> Hi folks.
[04:04] <vfw> Vysty: Maybe someone else will have some advise for you, I just don't know. Pretty sure you'll have to look for a backup.
[04:04] <Jen909> If I get a QHD monitor is my CPU going to be under more stress (no gaming)?
[04:04] <Bashing-om> PeterX: While the command is legit . What do you hope to obtain from the PPA  " leolik/leolik " ? see: https://launchpad.net/~leolik/+archive/ubuntu/leolik for starters .
[04:04] <vfw> Vysty: Having separate /home/ partition is a very good idea.
[04:05] <Vysty> It will be a good idea once I find all my stuff.
[04:05] <PeterX_> what does sudo mv /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Notifications.service{,.disabled} do?
[04:06] <vfw> Vysty:  And encrypting your data is probably a good thing until you find yourself locked out of it.  I don't do it because I'm afraid it would happen to me.
[04:08] <Vysty> Is anyone able to help me locate a missing encrypted folder?
[04:08] <Vysty> One of my directories turned into a broken link.
[04:09] <vfw> Vysty: Tell us more about the broken link.  Go to the command line and try it.
[04:09] <vfw> Vysty: ls /path/to/broken-link
[04:09] <vfw> Vysty: ls -l /path/to/broken-link
[04:10] <vfw> Vysty: ls -l /path/to/broken-link |& nc termbin.com 9999
[04:11] <vfw> Vysty: Is the broken link an encrypted directory?
[04:14] <elGALLO> installed 16.04 server CLI only. later installed desktop minimal but my passwd doesnt work on GUI only ssh. any ideas on how to log in?
[04:15] <vfw> elGALLO: Not sure what you mean by "GUI only ssh"
[04:16] <elGALLO> i can tunnel into ubuntu from my macbook via ssh as "user@ubuntu.ip" with my password
[04:16] <elGALLO> i installed desktop GUI
[04:16] <elGALLO> when i try to logon from login screen i kep getting incorrect password
[04:17] <vfw> elGALLO: Oh, so the login manager will not let you login?
[04:17] <elGALLO> correct only via command line via ssh
[04:17] <vfw> elGALLO: Can you log in to a console?  Like tty6?
[04:18] <vfw> elGALLO: Ctrl-Alt-F6
[04:18] <elGALLO> do that while the login screen is showing?
[04:18] <vfw> yes
[04:18] <elGALLO> standby
[04:19] <elGALLO> yes it lets me in
[04:21] <vfw> elGALLO: So I guess there is something wrong with the login manager.  Not sure what youg et with "desktop minimal"
[04:21] <vfw> elGALLO: I suppose it is gdm?
[04:21] <vfw> elGALLO: Or maybe sddm?
[04:22] <Vysty> vfw: Sorry my computer froze up.
[04:22] <Vysty> vfw: It's looking like I may have royally fucked up.
[04:22] <vfw> elGALLO: ps aux gdm    or    ps aux sddm
[04:22] <vfw> Vysty: So what exactly did you do?
[04:22] <elGALLO> standby
[04:22] <Vysty> vfw: The entire time I have been backing up, that encrypted folder was not included in the backup.
[04:23] <Vysty> Or it's hidden somehow.
[04:23] <Bashing-om> elGALLO: ^^ Yes, perhaps " desktop minimal " does not include a login manager ?? what Desktop did you install ?
[04:23] <Vysty> I'm freaking out a bit.
[04:23] <Vysty> The last 5 years of my life are in that folder.
[04:23] <vfw> Vysty: ls -l /path/to/broken-link |& nc termbin.com 9999
[04:23] <elGALLO> sudo apt-get install lightdm unity
[04:23] <Kres> ello
[04:24] <reisio> 'lo
[04:24] <vfw> elGALLO: So that is what you installed?
[04:24] <Vysty> vfw: http://termbin.com/urv4
[04:25] <Vysty> sorry, ignore that
[04:25] <elGALLO> yes
[04:25] <Vysty> that's not it
[04:25] <Kres> hello pratyush
[04:25] <vfw> Vysty: What is that /boot  ?
[04:25] <Vysty> Hold on a sec...
[04:25] <vfw> Vysty: Oh ok.
[04:26] <unperturbed> Hey Kres
[04:26] <Kres> Hello unperturbed
[04:27] <Vysty> http://termbin.com/wuje
[04:27] <Vysty> I think that may have found it.
[04:27] <Vysty> I'm trying to open it. It looks like it may be hidden.
[04:28] <FireStriker> Hello
[04:28] <reisio> 'lo
[04:28] <Kres> Hello
[04:28] <Vysty> Or not. It's still broken.
[04:28] <Kres> I'm so bored
[04:28] <Bashing-om> elGALLO: What release are we working with .. maybe try and see what results starting the GUI from terminal ?
[04:29] <elGALLO> 16.04.1 server
[04:29] <Vysty> Bashing-om: Do you have any experience with encrypted folders?
[04:29] <Vysty> Bashing-om: I appear to have one that has vanished.
[04:29] <Bashing-om> Vysty: Nope, sorry .. None on the desktops . I do not know how encryption works .
[04:29] <Vysty> I FOUND IT!!!
[04:30] <Vysty> Oh my god.
[04:30] <vfw> elGALLO: You might just try again.  Maybe uninstall lightdm and unity and install sddm and xubuntu-desktop or lubuntu-desktop
[04:30] <elGALLO> how do i starrt gui from terminal?
[04:30] <vfw> elGALLO: systemctl start lightdm
[04:30] <vfw> elGALLO: (from where you are now...)
[04:31] <Romin1> Hi. I installed Ubuntu on a separate ext4 partition using a USB drive with Ubuntu installer on it. But when I load up bios to select something to boot, only windows appears. I have windows 8 installed. How can I make Ubuntu boot?
[04:31] <FireStriker> I have a 2013 HP Pavilion laptop (Model no: 15-e010ax) which im having problimes with drivers
[04:31] <elGALLO> ok but how do I install without all the bloatware?
[04:31] <vfw> elGALLO: I don't know really.  I just would not install the GUI in the first place.
[04:32] <elGALLO> well the only reason im installing GUI is to run ...
[04:32] <elGALLO> http://askubuntu.com/questions/463486/can-no-longer-use-screen-share-to-connect-mac-to-ubuntu-since-upgrading-to-14-04
[04:33] <elGALLO> can't get mac findr to see ubuntu files
[04:33] <FireStriker> !pastebin
[04:33] <vfw> elGALLO: sudo apt-get install sddm xfce4
[04:34] <vfw> elGALLO: Or:  sudo apt-get install sddm lxde
[04:34] <tod_shis> or openbox
[04:34] <tod_shis> jwm
[04:35] <qingshuqiutian> hi...
[04:39] <Kres> Wow, lots of yellow and orange text
[04:48] <FireStriker> I have a 2013 hp laptop wich im having some problems with. Network drivers are messed up and it will not boot into ubuntu with the quite thing on
[04:49] <FireStriker> It keeps flashing ubuntu
[04:50] <FireStriker> The specs are  http://paste.ubuntu.com/23510185/
[04:52] <haps_> hello. what is the difference between ubuntu and debian?
[04:53] <krytarik> !debian | haps_
[04:54] <coogle> Hello all, I am banging my head against the wall with this and
[04:54] <coogle>                 I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I'm
[04:54] <coogle>                 working on an RPi project and I need to restart lightDM from
[04:54] <coogle>                 Apache. I've tried creating a shell script to execute 'service
[04:54] <coogle>                 lightdm restart' and adding that to sudoers as www-data, but
[04:54] <coogle>                 I'm still getting Access Denied
[04:54] <haps_> that link is broken, krytarik
[04:54] <haps_> thank you though
[04:55] <krytarik> haps_: Ugh yeah, apparently.
[04:55] <FireStriker> Evey things braking now days
[04:56] <SatoshiRole> Hi, I've done a minimal ubuntu 14.04 install for a kiosk. I installed pulseaudio, and added my user to the audio group. I'm not getting any sound however. I'm not sure how to troubleshoot.
[04:56] <haps_> SatoshiRole: perhaps you need audio drivers
[04:57] <SatoshiRole> haps_, could be, how would I check that?
[04:57] <Flannel> coogle: If you run the script as www-data in a terminal, does it behave the same?  (also, you'll want to not paste so many lines in your question in the future.  Fewer, longer lines is the way to go)
[04:57] <coogle> Yeah sorry my terminal messed that up lol
[04:57] <haps_> SatoshiRole: step one - confirm the existence of speakers in said kiost
[04:58] <coogle> Flannel: Yeah, I have... www-data ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/local/bin/restart-lightdm.sh in my sudoers
[04:58] <SatoshiRole> haps_, check. In fact they worked when I tested it with the Ubuntu live CD.
[04:58] <Flannel> coogle: And running said script works fine when you run it as www-data in a terminal?
[04:58] <haps_> SatoshiRole: oh hey, is pulse audio something you downloaded?
[04:58] <coogle> Flannel: nope it dies too
[04:58] <coogle> sudo -u www-data /usr/local/bin/restart-lightdm.sh
[04:58] <coogle> Failed to restart lightdm.service: Access denied
[04:59] <haps_> SatoshiRole: as in its not part and parcel with the os
[04:59] <SatoshiRole> haps_, I was following instructions here:
[04:59] <SatoshiRole> https://thepcspy.com/read/building-a-kiosk-computer-ubuntu-1404-chrome/
[04:59] <haps_> SatoshiRole: you may be missing dependencies. i dont know what im doing but try sudo apt-get install -f and then restart
[05:00] <Bashing-om> FireStriker: Remind me again, what release is this, and is this system on a wired network connection ?
[05:00] <Flannel> coogle: You need another sudo in there.  Adding it to sudoers lets you run it with sudo without a password, but you still need to invoke sudo for that command
[05:00] <haps_> SatoshiRole: if that doesnt work try launching the app from the terminal and see what error message it gives you
[05:01] <coogle> Flannel: you mean in the bash?
[05:01] <coogle> +script
[05:01] <FireStriker> Who mentioned me? Irc app crashed
[05:01] <Flannel> coogle: No, you need to ivoke sudo when you run the script
[05:01] <SatoshiRole> haps_, no broken packages. What sux even more, is not error messages.
[05:01] <Bashing-om> FireStriker: < Bashing-om> FireStriker: Remind me again, what release is this, and is this system on a wired network connection ?
[05:01] <Flannel> coogle: If you put yourself for that command as NOPASSWD, you still would have to type "sudo restart-lightdm.sh", you just won't need to type a password
[05:02] <SatoshiRole> haps_, I need to get a better understanding of how the audio stack links together.
[05:02] <haps_> SatoshiRole: there are no error messages at all?
[05:02] <FireStriker> Its 16.04 lts wireless connection
[05:02] <SatoshiRole> haps_, nope everything seems to be working perfectly, just no sound comes out of the speakers.
[05:02] <haps_> SatoshiRole: i guess look at the man page, their site for any dependencies. then if that doesnt work try another app
[05:03] <FireStriker> The wiresless driveres desnt work till i logout and back In
[05:03] <coogle> Flannel: ah right so the first sudo executes as www-data, second executes as root?
[05:03] <coogle> sudo -u www-data sudo /usr/local/bin/restart-lightdm.sh
[05:03] <Flannel> coogle: Correct
[05:03] <haps_> does anyone know when ubuntu started shipping with mir?
[05:03] <coogle> Flannel: oddly enough that second one asks me for a password which it shouldn't be doing..
[05:04] <coogle> I'll go dig in my sudoers
[05:04] <coogle> I'm sure that's gotta be my bad somewhere.
[05:04] <Flannel> coogle: Give access to your own user, and verify it works (that way you don't need to do the sudo -u wrapper)
[05:04] <Flannel> coogle: Then work your way "out"
[05:04] <SatoshiRole> haps_, I'm looking at the Ubuntu machine I'm on right now. pulseaudio is installed, and running on this machine. Do you know anything about how it connects to the speakers? I know pulsaudio is middleware. Pehaps, I'm missing a link in the chain.
[05:04] <Bashing-om> FireStriker: Cannnot advise about the WIFI issue . as to graphics what returns ' dpkg -l | grep fglrx ' ?
[05:05] <FireStriker> I will have a look
[05:05] <coogle> Flannel: Will do. Thanks I missed the once-removed permission issue and was banging my head for about an hour lol
[05:05] <FireStriker> Rebooting now
[05:05] <coogle> Thank you
[05:05] <Flannel> coogle: No worries, good luck.
[05:05] <haps_> SatoshiRole: i know very little about the way ubuntu or nix systems in general work
[05:05] <coogle> thx
[05:06] <FireStriker> Booting into grub
[05:07] <FireStriker> Ok im now loading into ubuntu, any idear why i cant boot with quite splash Bashing-om ?
[05:07] <SatoshiRole> haps_, thanks. I'll keep asking here. I've worn out Google. ;)
[05:08] <haps_> good luck my friend
[05:08] <Bashing-om> FireStriker: We be investigating if any of the old drivers remain on the system and then see about getting the radeon driver installed .
[05:08] <FireStriker> -i or -l ?
[05:09] <FireStriker> Its l right
[05:09] <Bashing-om> FireStriker: Be a lower case L (ell) .
[05:09] <SatoshiRole> I'm trying to diagnose a no sound issue. Does anyone have a good understanding of how pulseaudio links up with the output device? I need to pick your brain.
[05:10] <haps_> so is mir going to happen or has it stalled
[05:11] <krytarik> !debian | haps_: Updated the link, thanks!
[05:11] <FireStriker> It returns nothing
[05:11] <FireStriker> Sudo than command?
[05:12] <reisio> haps_: I reckon even if it does happen it won't last
[05:12] <SatoshiRole> haps_, I heard mir was going to be a non default option in 17.04
[05:12] <Bashing-om> FireStriker: That is a good thing here . ok how about ' lsmod | grep radeon ; lsmod | grep amdgpu ' ?
[05:13] <haps_> krytarik: so does ubuntu constantly use the latest version of debian? what if debian stopped being maintained? what if debian evolved into something that was not compatible with ubuntu?
[05:14] <SatoshiRole> haps_, you can do it now if you want to, but expect it to break some things:
[05:14] <SatoshiRole> https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/how-to-test-mir-and-unity-8-on-ubuntu-16-04/
[05:15] <haps_> SatoshiRole reisio thats so sad -- i wish mir had been developed and adopted swiftly
[05:15] <haps_> a system built from the ground up would be much better
[05:16] <reisio> haps_: what makes you think that
[05:17] <FireStriker> Got some thing  http://i.imgur.com/eG2NsL4.jpg
[05:17] <SatoshiRole> haps_, it's no small task. They are already making their own desktop environment, Unity. Leveraging other people's work rather than building from the ground up is what Open Source is all about.
[05:18] <haps_> reisio: because of intuitive reasons
[05:19] <SatoshiRole> not even to mention the backward compatability nightmare they have to maintain with X11
[05:19] <haps_> so anyway, its still X then. what api should one use to create windows and write to video buffers for X?
[05:19] <haps_> specifically for ubuntu and elementary
[05:20] <Bashing-om> !tab | FireStriker
[05:21] <Bashing-om> FireStriker: ^ and no return for the grep amdgpu ?
[05:21] <FireStriker> Nope
[05:22] <helloworld> hello everybody
[05:22] <Bashing-om> FireStriker: K .. so we are dealing with the radeon driver . did it load ? show ' sudo lshw -C display ' .
[05:22] <Guest67990> I have a question when you are ready
[05:23] <Flannel> Guest67990: best to just ask it
[05:23] <Guest67990> I have a couple of old computers I'd like to turn into TOR relays. When you have a second I'd like someone to help me decide which version of ubuntu would be best.
[05:24] <FireStriker> Bashing-om: its only useing the apu
[05:25] <FireStriker> Bashing-om:  http://i.imgur.com/59UcKUk.jpg
[05:26] <Guest67990> Should I just go with the latest version?
[05:27] <SatoshiRole> I have a no sound issue. I just about worn out Google today. Can anyone help me troubleshoot it?
[05:27] <FireStriker> But i think the apu graphics is in charge of bultin desply the video out hamdled by the gpu and when the winds blowing the right way it uses the gpu in games
[05:30] <Bashing-om> FireStriker: Well, the radeon driver is correct for the kabini series cards . and it is loaded . With removing "quiet splash" you boot up with no problems other than that the plymouth-splash is not displayed ?
[05:31] <FireStriker>  Yep and with "quite splash" it flashes like nuts Bashing-om
[05:34] <Bashing-om> FireStriker: Well then to me we have a systemd not handling plymouth startup . And presently I am so confused by how systemd does this . I not much further help .
[05:35] <FireStriker> Lol thats alright
[05:36] <FireStriker> Hi cfhowlett
[05:37] <cfhowlett> FireStriker, greetings
[05:37] <koroso> hey all
[05:38] <haps_> hello
[05:39] <FireStriker> Do you think you could help me, i have a 2013 HP Laptop which has 16.04 amd win 8 dual boot. When booting with "quite splash" it flahses like nuts and doenst boot.
[05:39] <cfhowlett> FireStriker, sorry, I have no experience at all with win8.  I suspect you have some efi issues which I have been fortunate enough to avoid.
[05:40] <FireStriker> I have fixed the efi issues
[05:40] <FireStriker> i think
[05:41] <FireStriker> It wouldnt boot to grub at first
[05:41] <cfhowlett> post the issues.  someone will know.
[05:41] <SatoshiRole> FireStriker, so you got it installed? So I assume 16.04 forked from the live CD?
[05:41] <FireStriker> Yep
[05:41] <FireStriker> The iso on the website from the torent
[05:41] <FireStriker> On a usb
[05:42] <FireStriker> I think the install is a little messed
[05:42] <FireStriker> It took longer than usealy to install
[05:44] <SatoshiRole> FireStriker: But it boots when you do not enable quiet boot?
[05:45] <glitchd> can anyone make heads or tails from this error while trying to compile a program?
[05:45] <FireStriker> Yep if i do it goes nuts
[05:45] <glitchd> make[2]: *** No rule to make target 'ext/CMakeFiles/cryptopp.dir/build'.  Stop.
[05:45] <glitchd> CMakeFiles/Makefile2:1409: recipe for target 'ext/CMakeFiles/cryptopp.dir/all' failed
[05:45] <glitchd> make[1]: *** [ext/CMakeFiles/cryptopp.dir/all] Error 2
[05:45] <glitchd> Makefile:83: recipe for target 'all' failed
[05:45] <glitchd> make: *** [all] Error 2
[05:45] <FireStriker> !pastebin | glitchd
[05:46] <SatoshiRole> FireStriker: did you enable proprietary graphic driver?
[05:46] <FireStriker> No proprietary graphics driver
[05:46] <glitchd> i gotta rememebr not to paste into the channel..
[05:46] <glitchd> sry guy
[05:46] <FireStriker> Thats alright
[05:46] <SatoshiRole> FireStriker: Is there one available?
[05:46] <FireStriker> I do it some times Too
[05:46] <FireStriker> Idk
[05:47] <FireStriker> Theres one for the amd cpu (apu)
[05:47] <FireStriker> But nothing for the gpu or the apu
[05:47] <glitchd> can anyone make heads or tails as to why im getting this error while compiling a program? http://pastebin.com/YFr2n4Fp
[05:48] <FireStriker> I am temted to nuke my ubuntu install and start aign something broke while i was instaling it
[05:48] <SatoshiRole> FireStriker: what you are describing sounds like a graphics driver issue. You could try playing with the grub resolution settings, like make it 1024x768. Something you know just about every graphic card can handle.
[05:49] <FireStriker> I tryed out the xubuntu live cd before hand which wifi worked
[05:49] <Bashing-om> glitchd: FireStriker : There are no proprietary drivers for ATI in 16.04, kabini card here and the correct radeon driver is loaded .
[05:49] <FireStriker> The moment i told ubuntu to install no wifi
[05:50] <FireStriker> I had to load into the live cd and log out and back in ( did that my acdent tryingto figer out what was going on)
[05:50] <SatoshiRole> I'm trying to troubleshoot a no sound issue on 14.04.
[05:51] <FireStriker> And wifi, but then it took the longest time to install.
[05:51] <SatoshiRole> FireStriker: standard 16.04 has well known wifi issues, but mostly related to suspend, and hibernate.
[05:51] <FireStriker> Might install lubuntu and install a de ontop this laptop is dieing
[05:52] <glitchd> FireStriker, are you saying that ati is related to network card?
[05:52] <FireStriker> Was that fixed in 16.04.1 SatoshiRole?
[05:52] <glitchd> FireStriker, because my question was about network card drivers
[05:52] <FireStriker> Nope ati has nothing to do with the network card
[05:53] <glitchd> FireStriker, then your statement to me makes no sense as i was not asking about graphics drivers
[05:53] <FireStriker> Ok
[05:53] <cfhowlett> FireStriker, did you install xubuntu?
[05:53] <FireStriker> Nope ubuntu
[05:53] <FireStriker> Xubuntu is on the older stable toshiba
[05:54] <ohlolz> why do i have trouble installing through UEFI and not Legacy? using Rufus as USB creator. my pc is faairly new
[05:54] <SatoshiRole> FireStriker: I don't know, not the wifi issues. It's only the standard Unity version that seems to have the issues.
[05:54] <cfhowlett> ?  so not relevant to this discussion or did I miss something?
[05:54] <Vysty> I'm reinstalling Ubuntu and formatting my hard drive, and I'm looking at re-partitioning my hard drive. Can anyone help walk me through partitioning my hard drive properly?
[05:54] <ohlolz> what coud it be=
[05:54] <FireStriker> glitchd: i was just saying what was happing durning the install
[05:55] <ohlolz> is it just me or 16.10 have too many graphic problems? even on new computers?
[05:55] <cfhowlett> ohlolz, no idea what "too many" means. more useful to focus on fixing YOUR issue, yes?
[05:56] <ohlolz> just me or too much drama with 16.a0?
[05:56] <ohlolz> 16.10 i mean
[05:56] <cfhowlett> useless query.
[05:56] <cfhowlett> !details | ohlolz
[05:56] <glitchd> can any other drive take the place of ath5k?
[05:56] <ohlolz> i had to revert to 16.04 coz 16.10 doesnt show up. i assume graphic problems
[05:57] <ohlolz> and i bought my Dell pc this year
[05:57] <cfhowlett> "16.10 doesn't show up" ... what?
[05:57] <Vysty> Anyone able to help me with partitioning and formatting my disk for a new install?
[05:57] <ohlolz> cfhowlett: black screen is very likely graphic problems
[05:57] <tod_shis> yes
[05:57] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset | ohlolz
[05:57] <FireStriker> Yep lol how do i change grub to let uefi do its thing and boot into windows, nukeing the partion and installing 16.04 LUbuntu with a DE ontop, smaller, and i hope thers less problems
[05:58] <glitchd> if my lan card provides wifi for my desktop, is it safe to assume it uses the same driver as the wifi interface?
[05:58] <tod_shis> you got gparted Vysty?
[05:58] <ohlolz> also my direct upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10 failed in the middle
[05:58] <Vysty> tod_shis: Not sure. I'm reinstalling 16.04
[05:58] <glitchd> Vysty, how do you want to partition?
[05:58] <ohlolz> going back to 16.04 now
[05:59] <Vysty> glitchd: Good question. I was recommended to do 4G for swap, 80G for /home, and the rest for everything else.
[05:59] <glitchd> Vysty, how much ram do you have installed on the system?
[05:59] <Vysty> I think it's 2G
[05:59] <glitchd> then yea 4g swap is what you want
[06:00] <Vysty> What's the difference between primary and logical?
[06:00] <reisio> Vysty: as far as GNU/Linux is concerned, nothing
[06:00] <glitchd> not positive on that one..
[06:00] <cfhowlett> Vysty, technically, Ubuntu will run on a 2gb ram system - but very slowly.  Lubuntu/Xubuntu perform better on low spec systems like that.
[06:00] <Vysty> And do I want it at the Beginning or End of this space?
[06:00] <reisio> Vysty: are you dual booting?
[06:00] <tod_shis> swap as part 1
[06:00] <Vysty> reisio: No. I had WIndows on it before but I never used it. I'm wiping it out.
[06:01] <reisio> Vysty: then let Ubuntu's installer do its own automated partitioning & formatting
[06:01] <Vysty> Got it. Will it properly do the swap?
[06:01] <glitchd> you can always redo swap aferward
[06:01] <reisio> I haven't heard otherwise in a decade or so
[06:01] <Vysty> Great.
[06:01] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: it will match the RAM.
[06:01] <glitchd> if my lan card provides wifi for my desktop, is it safe to assume it uses the same driver as the wifi interface?
[06:02] <Vysty> General consensus is to let Ubuntu do the paritioning by itself?
[06:02] <cfhowlett> yes
[06:02] <glitchd> for he uninitiated, yes
[06:02] <Vysty> Going for it.
[06:03] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: I prefer 1.5 times the RAM, so I do it manually.
[06:03]  * cfhowlett thinks /Bane voice on/ "But we are initiated, aren't we Mr. Wayne?"
[06:03]  * tod_shis normaly makes 4 partitions
[06:03] <glitchd> and i always change swappiness to 10 from 60
[06:03]  * reisio headdesks
[06:04] <glitchd> lol
[06:04] <FireStriker> Anyone here knows how to chance grub so it doesnt stop the uefi boot
[06:04] <haps_> yep
[06:05] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: of course such specifics are personal preference, and make little difference to most, just like swap size, and drive position.
[06:05] <sputnikCCCP> glitchd: of course such specifics are personal preference, and make little difference to most, just like swap size, and drive position. :)
[06:05]  * tod_shis with 4gb ram dont boter with swap at all
[06:05] <glitchd> reisio, hows your head doing after that?
[06:05] <sputnikCCCP> reisio, hows your head doing after that? :)
[06:05] <FireStriker> !grub
[06:05] <sputnikCCCP> !grub :)
[06:05] <sputnikCCCP> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 :)
[06:05] <glitchd> sputnikCCCP, SatoshiRole =)
[06:05] <sputnikCCCP> sputnikCCCP, SatoshiRole =) :)
[06:05] <SatoshiRole> tod_shis: swap is where the hibernate file is stored.
[06:05] <sputnikCCCP> tod_shis: swap is where the hibernate file is stored. :)
[06:05] <FireStriker> Lol
[06:05] <sputnikCCCP> Lol :)
[06:05] <FireStriker> Um
[06:05] <sputnikCCCP> Um :)
[06:05] <tod_shis> i dont hiber
[06:05] <sputnikCCCP> i dont hiber :)
[06:05] <glitchd> lol
[06:05] <sputnikCCCP> lol :)
[06:05] <FireStriker> ...
[06:05] <sputnikCCCP> ... :)
[06:05] <cfhowlett> ehco bot?  turn that stuff off.
[06:05] <sputnikCCCP> ehco bot? turn that stuff off. :)
[06:06] <tod_shis> bot attack
[06:06] <sputnikCCCP> bot attack :)
[06:06] <FireStriker> What is going on
[06:06] <sputnikCCCP> What is going on :)
[06:06] <ohlolz> cfhowlett: i can't use modset coz i can't reach to a higher lever where i'm able to use it
[06:06] <sputnikCCCP> cfhowlett: i can't use modset coz i can't reach to a higher lever where i'm able to use it :)
[06:06] <tgm4883> !ops
[06:06] <sputnikCCCP> !ops :)
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[06:06] <glitchd> someone getting banned..
[06:06] <FireStriker> Oh its a bot
[06:06] <SatoshiRole> lol
[06:06] <ohlolz> cfhowlett: i can't use modset coz i can't reach to a higher lever where i'm able to use it
[06:06] <tod_shis> Drone'
[06:06] <ohlolz> cfhowlett: nomodeset
[06:07] <cfhowlett> ohlolz, eh?  when you boot, hit the esc key to get the grub menu, edit the command line and launch
[06:07] <glitchd> if my lan card provides wifi for my desktop is it safe to assume it uses the same driver as the wifi interface uses?
[06:08] <FireStriker> That was wird
[06:08] <reisio> glitchd: wha?
[06:08] <SatoshiRole> I'm trying to troubleshoot a no sound issue. I've exhausted my Google searches.
[06:08] <ohlolz> cfhowlett: it's not booting coz there's nothing on my pc installed, just attempting to install from USB
[06:08] <Enthralled> guys, does anyone know how to fix this scaling issue? the contents inside windows are tiny. https://a.uguu.se/s3PZFjaT0uVH.png
[06:08] <FireStriker> So how do i remove grub from boot so i can uninstall lubuntu (uefi)
[06:09] <glitchd> reisio, huh?
[06:09] <reisio> glitchd: a'wha?
[06:09] <cfhowlett> ohlolz, read the wiki link.  you need to trigger grub at boot so you can get to the graphics settings
[06:09] <SatoshiRole> FireStriker: grub is not eliminated by uefi.
[06:09] <glitchd> FireStriker, from the windows recovery console you have to do something like "fixboot mbr" just google it
[06:10] <glitchd> i mean to remove grub
[06:10] <glitchd> reisio, when?
[06:10] <cfhowlett> remove grub?  how do you plan to boot with no bootloader, glitchd
[06:10] <FireStriker> I should be able to do it with the live cd anyway
[06:11] <glitchd> cfhowlett, lol sounded ijke he was removing linux and trying to get rid of grub
[06:11] <cfhowlett> right?
[06:11] <Enthralled> nevermind, i sloved it with gnome-tweak-tool
[06:11] <Enthralled> solved*
[06:12] <FireStriker> Im doing a  reinstall im almost cernet the installs botched
[06:12] <rkrohan> Heyo
[06:12] <ohlolz> cfhowlett: i feel so dizzy trying to install 16.10 today. i'm happy i was able to get back to 16.04. will try ubuntu out first before installing a newer version
[06:12] <Sumoniac> hi all, which program did you use for partitioning? (w.o/sfdisk,gparted)
[06:12] <Pope__> hello
[06:12] <FireStriker> Good idear
[06:12] <glitchd> yi
[06:12] <rkrohan> Does anyone have any idea how to install Ubuntu 14.04 desktop on raspberry pi 2?
[06:12] <glitchd> yo
[06:12] <rkrohan> I don't want the Ubuntu core
[06:13] <reisio> rkrohan: use a newer version of Debian/Ubuntu
[06:13] <FireStriker> I use the windows one Sumoniac to do all mine but i am starting to use gparted
[06:13] <SatoshiRole> FireStriker: I think you're on the wrong track. You'll still need grub, but it will be installed when you reinstall Ubuntu with uefi on a gpt partitioned drive.
[06:14] <rkrohan> reisio: I can't find a new version of Ubuntu desktop for raspberry pi
[06:14] <FireStriker> Ik and than i can fix it aing
[06:14] <Sumoniac> rktohan u can create your ubuntu with buildroot/busybox
[06:14] <reisio> rkrohan: older versions will be even less likely to support that arch
[06:15] <SatoshiRole> rkrohan: Ubuntu Mate has a version for Raspberry Pi. Unity is to heavy.
[06:15] <cfhowlett> ohlolz, general advice: LTS is great for most users.  If you REALLY and TRULY need the latest, shiniest stuff, go for it.  But LTS only saves tons of headaches.
[06:16] <NoSunWithoutU> im curious: what shortcut keys do you have for your windows switcher?
[06:16] <ohlolz> cfhowlett: lesson learned
[06:16] <SatoshiRole> rkrohan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RaspberryPi
[06:16] <NoSunWithoutU> SatoshiRole, dont be Nakamoto
[06:17] <SatoshiRole> NoSunWithoutU: My name is Craig... LOL
[06:17] <NoSunWithoutU> as long as its not Nakamoto, ok
[06:18] <SatoshiRole> Wright... i mean right!
[06:18] <NoSunWithoutU> or write?
[06:19] <NoSunWithoutU> or maybe wrhayte?
[06:21] <SatoshiRole> I have a laptop that I installed ubuntu as a web kiosk. I can't figure out how to get the sound working. A full install of Ubuntu gets the sound working fine. Anyone know the correct packages to be installed?
[06:24] <Vysty> Alright, I just finished the reinstall of 16.04 and my computer is freezing when I click on the "Search your computer" icon. Is this a common problem?
[06:25] <Vysty> glitchd: Got a new one for ya. I just reinstalled 16.04 again and my computer is freezing up when I click on the "Search your Computer" icon in Unity.
[06:26] <ohlolz> Vysty: did you have problems with 16.10 too?
[06:26] <Vysty> I haven't tried 16.10, yet.
[06:26] <RatchetTheGamer> What's the advantages of 16.10?
[06:26] <ohlolz> Vysty: k
[06:27] <cfhowlett> RatchetTheGamer, read the release notes.
[06:27] <ohlolz> i couldn't even install 16.10 to tell you RatchetTheGamer
[06:27] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: I've seen that before. Never was able to get Unity to work. Could be a RAM, or HD issue, but in my cases it was likely a graphics driver issue. I dad to go with another distro like Ubuntu Mate.
[06:27] <Vysty> SatoshiRole: Tell me more. What's that?
[06:28] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: It's Ubuntu with the Mate desktop rather than Unity.
[06:28] <ohlolz> get a better computer for unity to to werk
[06:28] <Vysty> Do I need to reinstall or is that just a different shell?
[06:28] <SatoshiRole> Mate is a Gnome 2 fork. Much lighter weight.
[06:28] <ohlolz> dont be so greedy. Unity's new motto
[06:28] <cfhowlett> ohlolz, or, as always, choose a different Desktop Environment.  Easy and cheaper than buying hardware
[06:28]  * tod_shis uses xfce
[06:29] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: you may be able to just install the Mate desktop on top of what you already did, but it would be much cleaner to reinstall.
[06:29] <Vysty> SatoshiRole: No problem to reinstall. It was quick. How do I do it to use Mate?
[06:29] <tod_shis> yes
[06:29] <tod_shis> Vysty
[06:30] <tod_shis> what cpu is it?
[06:30] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: https://ubuntu-mate.org/
[06:30] <tod_shis> and gpu?
[06:30] <Vysty> tod_shis: How do I find out?
[06:30] <tod_shis> lscpu
[06:32] <Vysty> tod_shis: Should I pastebin it or is there specific info you want?
[06:32] <tod_shis> intel or amd?
[06:32] <Vysty> AMD
[06:33] <Vysty> AMD Turion II P540 Dual-Core Processor
[06:33] <tod_shis> dual core?
[06:33] <tod_shis> oh.... ok
[06:33] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: yea, Unity is too heavy for that.
[06:33] <tod_shis> older turion
[06:33] <Vysty> I was using Gnome before.
[06:33] <Vysty> With 14.04
[06:33] <SatoshiRole> you'll get much better performance from Mate, or XFCE.
[06:34] <Vysty> I'll try out Mate.
[06:34] <tod_shis> or a 32 bit linux
[06:34] <hateball> 32-bit is going away, not really a prime choice for a fresh install
[06:34] <Vysty> How do I figure out how much RAM I have? I think it's 2 GB.
[06:35] <hateball> Vysty: free -m
[06:35] <Vysty> I chose the 32 bit Ubuntu Mate iso.
[06:35] <SatoshiRole> That processor will do 64bit. I would do 32bit if you never plan to have more than 2GB of RAM, otherwise go 64bit.
[06:35] <Vysty> Oh, maybe I have 4GB RAM.
[06:35] <SatoshiRole> yea, go 64bit then.
[06:36] <Vysty> Just to be sure, when I use free -m, which part shows me the RAM?
[06:36] <Vysty> The Mem total?
[06:36] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: the mem total is whatever's left after the bios and kernel reserve chunks
[06:36] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: use something like lshw if you want to ask the ram chips directly
[06:37] <Vysty> Yea  looks like 3695 MB
[06:37] <glitchd__> Vysty, go with xfce
[06:37] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: ps: it's normal for "used/free" to be maxed out, ignore that, look at buff/cache and available instead
[06:38] <ohlolz> gotta go nite nite
[06:38] <Vysty> buff is 1029 and available isd 2765
[06:38] <Vysty> glitchd: Why do you say XFCE?
[06:38] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: the number under total is it.
[06:38] <Vysty> I'm basically trying to figure out the best Ubuntu distro to go with.
[06:39] <SatoshiRole> you can see it under top also
[06:39] <Vysty> SatoshiRole: You still recommend Mate?
[06:39] <SatoshiRole> XFCE is a little lighter weight, but not nearly as nice. I think it's worth the slight performance hit to go Mate.
[06:39] <Vysty> Got it.
[06:39] <Vysty> Is Mate lighter than Gnome?
[06:40] <SatoshiRole> yes
[06:40] <SatoshiRole> a lot
[06:40] <Vysty> Sweet, because I was using Gnome before.
[06:41] <Vysty> SatoshiRole: I don't remember if you were here when I asked; when I reinstall using Ubuntu Mate, should I just let Ubuntu decide on the partitions?
[06:41] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: you do realise you can install any WM/DE on any distro, it's just that various install media choose different ones by default?
[06:41] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: if you have no special needs, and you are find with the SWAP being equal to the RAM, yes.
[06:41] <Vysty> Triffid_Hunter: Nope. What's a WM/DE?
[06:42] <spm_draget> For a 16.04LTS, is there also a non-PAE kernel in the image or somewhere an install-image available that does not need PAE?
[06:42] <Vysty> SatoshiRole: I've read in some other places that the swap should be double the RAM.
[06:42] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: window manager / desktop environment, the chunk of software that handles drawing a bunch of your graphical stuff
[06:42] <spm_draget> I got an old Via C3 1,2Ghz - it should run ubuntu, but lacks PAE
[06:42] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: swap must be more than ram if you intend to use hibernate-to-disk, otherwise swap should be (how much ram you need) - (how much ram you have)
[06:43] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: equal is what Ubuntu does by default. There are a lot of opinions about that. I prefer 1.5.
[06:43] <Vysty> Triffid_Hunter: Yes I realize that, but I'm novice enough and frustrated enough to want to wipe the thing clean and just start over.
[06:43] <Vysty> SatoshiRole: My understanding is very limited, so if this question doesn't make sense, that's why: if I'm planning on recording audio and video, will I need a bigger swap?
[06:45] <hateball> In case those applications saturate your RAM. But you're better off buying more RAM instead.
[06:45] <Vysty> hateball: Got it.
[06:45] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: if you're planning on video editing, you're gonna want way more than 4GB of ram and an SSD.. if you start using your swap, buy more ram. also, swap on SSD is really fast but shreds the SSD's lifetime, and swap on regular disks gives mega-slowdown for everything when you max your ram
[06:45] <Vysty> What's an SSD?
[06:46] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: solid state disk
[06:46] <Vysty> Aha.
[06:46] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: My opinion is that with a mechanical drive, much more than equal to the RAM hits the point of diminishing returns pretty fast. If you are actually using Gigabytes of SWAP, your system will be pretty useless anyway.
[06:46] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: basically swap should only ever be a safety net, not something you use and rely on every day
[06:46] <journeymangeek> Triffid_Hunter: modern, quality SSDs are unlikely to wear out under normal use
[06:46] <Vysty> Consensus seems to be leave Swap at RAM. Got it. :)
[06:47] <Vysty> Regarding upgrading hardware, when it comes time for that I'm buying a new computer.
[06:47] <Vysty> This thing is almost 6 years old.
[06:47] <journeymangeek> lol
[06:47] <journeymangeek> I have decade old systems in use
[06:47] <Triffid_Hunter> journeymangeek: unless you have spotify :P
[06:47] <journeymangeek> (with upgrades)
[06:47] <Vysty> And has been able to serve me faithfully due to Ubuntu.
[06:47] <journeymangeek> Triffid_Hunter: got me there
[06:47] <Vysty> It was dying within 6 months with Windows.
[06:48] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: my current laptop was made in 2008 ;)
[06:48] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: the reason for that is in order for your system to hibernate, you need at least equal to the RAM. I like a little more, but it's not going to make much difference.
[06:48] <Vysty> What's the difference between hibernation and suspension?
[06:49] <journeymangeek> hibernation - dump contents of ram to disk, and shut down, retriving the contents of ram next 'boot'
[06:49] <SatoshiRole> suspend, or sleep freezes your session in RAM. Hibernate saves it to the SWAP partition. Hybrid sleep freezes it in RAM, and saves it to the SWAP partition.
[06:49] <journeymangeek> suspension - keep ram in a low power state, for faster boot
[06:49] <Vysty> Why would I want to hibernate instead of just shutting down?
[06:50] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: suspend = ram is still powered. hibernate = ram contents copied to long-term storage (ie swap on disk) and system enters complete powerdown
[06:50] <journeymangeek> Vysty: so you can pick up where you last stopped
[06:50] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: It boots faster, and preserves your session with whatever you were working on.
[06:50] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: because hibernate allows you to keep all your apps open across a complete powerdown event
[06:51] <Vysty> Heh. This is like kicking an Ubuntu pinata.
[06:51] <Triffid_Hunter> Vysty: so if you need to swap battery, hibernate will essentially keep all your stuff open whereas suspend will lose everything like a sudden power outage
[06:51] <journeymangeek> (also unrelatedly, I am of the opinion that boot drives for *any* os need to be a SSD on a modern system. The performance is... just magically better)
[06:51] <journeymangeek> Vysty: heh, amusingly, I haven't run a ubuntu desktop in ages
[06:51] <Vysty> Linux pinata. Whatever.
[06:51] <SatoshiRole> Vysty: It's always to get different perspectives.
[06:51] <journeymangeek> (My personal server runs it)
[06:51] <journeymangeek> I'm mainly a HW guy
[06:52] <SatoshiRole> Now, if someone can just help me with this sound issue! lol
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> !sound | SatoshiRole
[06:52] <Vysty> Alright, so you guys saw what sort of hardware I'm working with. I'm about to do a fresh install again and format everything---knowing that I want to record audio and video and do some mild video and audio editing, what's the best way to go about this?
[06:52] <hateball> SatoshiRole: What's the issue?
[06:53] <journeymangeek> Vysty: my music making friend swears by https://ardour.org/
[06:53] <SatoshiRole> hateball: I have a laptop that I'm setting up for a friend, as an Internet KIOSK. Sound works with a full install of Ubuntu, but....
[06:53] <journeymangeek> for basic audio recording and editing, audacity is 'good enough'
[06:54] <glitchd__> Vysty, sry got caught up in something, i suggested xfce because thats what i use and thats what works best for me.
[06:54] <Vysty> journeymangeek: Not recording any music, just voice stuff.
[06:54] <SatoshiRole> I'm doing a minimal install using server 14.04, with a light stack of xorg, openbox, and Chromium.
[06:54] <Vysty> Audacity does the job for me for now.
[06:54] <SatoshiRole> I have to manually install the audio packages, but I can't seem to find the combination that works.
[06:55] <journeymangeek> Vysty: oh and a good mic ;p
[06:55] <SatoshiRole> I've installed pulseaudio, and put the user in the audio group, but I get no sound.
[06:56] <hateball> SatoshiRole: Does the server kernel even have modules for audio?
[06:56] <journeymangeek> I used to swear by this for pure voice work http://www.conversationsnetwork.org/levelator but its been years since I audio-engineered and it seems that's dead
[06:56] <hateball> SatoshiRole: "lspci -k" should show if any modules are loaded for your audio device
[06:56] <journeymangeek> hateball: I thought they stopped splitting the server and desktop kernel quite a while back?
[06:56] <cfhowlett> Vysty, sudo apt install ubuntustudio-audio ubuntustudio-graphics   will get you started.  you can get the full meal deal by install ubuntustudio-desktop
[06:57] <SatoshiRole> hateball: lemme check it out.
[06:57] <Vysty> cfhowlett: I might ask you for that again after I do this reinstall.
[06:57] <cfhowlett> Vysty, :)
[06:57] <Vysty> journeymangeek: Got myself a good mic. :)
[06:58] <Vysty> I'm hoping to get by with Audacity, Kdenlive, RecordmyDesktop, and so far I've used Cheese to record via webcam.
[06:59] <Vysty> Alright, first one to remind me how to mount an ubuntu iso on a usb drive gets a gold star.
[06:59] <SatoshiRole> hateball: looks like no... what am I looking for here?
[06:59] <DeadEnd> SatoshiRole, love, dammit, love
[07:00] <hateball> SatoshiRole: well you are looking for the section with Audio device, Kernel driver in use
[07:00] <hateball> SatoshiRole: if that's not present, well you're not going to get any audio
[07:00] <glitchd__> Vysty, mount or burn?
[07:00] <Vysty> Mount.
[07:00] <SatoshiRole> hateball:
[07:00] <SatoshiRole> http://pastebin.com/WN1YUUHj
[07:00] <Vysty> It's just a USB drive.
[07:00] <DeadEnd> hateball, stop hating
[07:00] <glitchd__> Vysty, are you gonna boot from the usb after?
[07:00] <EriC^^> Vysty: dd
[07:01] <Vysty> Yes.
[07:01] <glitchd__> Vysty, ill give u the command
[07:01] <EriC^^> Vysty: dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M && sync
[07:01] <glitchd__> Vysty, dd bs=4M if=/iso.iso of=/dev/sdb?
[07:01] <glitchd__> yea what he said lol
[07:01] <SatoshiRole> hateball: so what do I need to install? I installed pulseaudio, pulseaudio-utils, and alsa-utils.
[07:01] <Vysty> What's the bs=4M for?
[07:02] <glitchd__> it makes it write faster
[07:02] <EriC^^> blocksize of buffer
[07:02] <Vysty> And is it sdX or sdb?
[07:02] <glitchd> sdb
[07:02] <EriC^^> sdb if that's your usb
[07:02] <glitchd> do lsblk to see what your usb is called
[07:03] <Vysty> Ah balls I froze it again.
[07:03] <hateball> SatoshiRole: Do you have any audio files to test with? If you launch the player/file from a terminal, do you get any output?
[07:03] <Vysty> Oh wait, there we go.
[07:04] <Vysty> It's sdb.
[07:04] <hateball> Vysty: If your machine keeps freezing you may want to check the HDD health with smartctl
[07:04] <glitchd> then there you go
[07:04] <SatoshiRole> hateball: I have a browser installed. I've just been testing it on Youtube, and other sites.
[07:04] <Vysty> I've just been informed that my system isn't hefty enough to handle Unity.
[07:05] <Vysty> And how to do figure out my full path extension?
[07:05] <cfhowlett> Vysty, well then: lubuntu or xubuntu are your friends
[07:05] <hateball> SatoshiRole: wget some wav sample, try playing it with aplay
[07:06] <SatoshiRole> hateball: I'm wondering of my script is not loading it right.
[07:06] <SatoshiRole> http://pastebin.com/6GPHgpBh
[07:07] <SatoshiRole> start-pulseaudio-x11 should do it right. I see pulseaudio is running in top.
[07:07] <SatoshiRole> hateball: hmm... you got a source?
[07:08] <hateball> SatoshiRole: No, but googling "wav test" should net you something I bet
[07:08] <SatoshiRole> okay
[07:08] <hateball> Might be there are some wavs on your system already
[07:09] <SatoshiRole> hateball: not likely. I did a very minimal install.
[07:10] <hateball> SatoshiRole: Any reason you're giving yourself pain instead of just installing something like Lubuntu?
[07:11] <SatoshiRole> If I have to resort to converting a working desktop into a KIOSK, I will, but two reasons. Learning experiance, and performance.
[07:12] <SatoshiRole> tell me more about this kernel modules. what loads it?
[07:14] <DeadEnd> i love i3
[07:14] <hateball> SatoshiRole: modprobe
[07:14] <DeadEnd> i3 is lighter than lxde
[07:16] <SatoshiRole> hateball: got one. any flags on aplay?
[07:17] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, modprobe to load, rmmod to remove
[07:17] <SatoshiRole> hateball: It thinks it's playing, but no sound
[07:18] <hateball> SatoshiRole: made sure you've got the right device selected in pulseaudio ?
[07:18] <hateball> otherwise you need to use flags with aplay to force device
[07:18] <SatoshiRole> hateball: no, how do I check?
[07:19] <SatoshiRole> pacmd?
[07:19] <hateball> SatoshiRole: yea, but I dont recall the syntax offhand
[07:19] <knot> when i update the system using spt-get update , i got the result as W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:1397BC53640DB551. can anyone tell me why i am getting this
[07:19] <hateball> SatoshiRole: pacmd info, will show current status
[07:19] <knot> s/spt/apt
[07:19] <hateball> knot: using a ppa with expired key?
[07:20] <glitchd> knot, there are commands to add the key
[07:20] <glitchd> knot, google it
[07:20] <glitchd> knot, sry i dont remember the exact command for it off hand
[07:20] <knot> glitchd: i have to add this key to get an update
[07:20] <glitchd> knot, right
[07:21] <SatoshiRole> hateball: It's overwhelming. I don't know how to read it.
[07:21] <SatoshiRole> http://pastebin.com/0NJCYjYB
[07:21] <siddig> could i ask for support in an issue here ?
[07:21] <glitchd> knot can you pm me the error msg?
[07:21] <hateball> !ask | siddig
[07:21] <glitchd> siddig, this is the place for it
[07:22] <knot> thanks hateball, glitchd
[07:24] <siddig> after i download any software i can't install it as my correct password didn't work  i am using ubuntu mate 16.04lts
[07:24] <cfhowlett> siddig, what error messages?
[07:24] <SatoshiRole> siddig: fresh install of 16.04?
[07:25] <knot> SatoshiRole: you can also use insmod for inserting your module
[07:26] <siddig> org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.Error.NotAuthorized: ('system-bus-name', {'name': ':1.74'}): org.debian.apt.install-or-remove-packages
[07:27] <siddig> yes fresh installed yesterday
[07:27] <cfhowlett> siddig, using sudo or pkexec
[07:27] <SatoshiRole> knot: would that go in the same script that I'm using to start pulseaudio?
[07:27] <siddig> sudo
[07:28] <SatoshiRole> siddig: any other users on this system?
[07:28] <siddig> no
[07:28] <SatoshiRole> siddig: dumb question. You check the capslock?
[07:29] <siddig> yep ,unfortunately
[07:29] <SatoshiRole> siddig: is this a fresh install of Ubuntu?
[07:29] <RatchetTheGamer> What's the best way to make a boot usb for uefi?
[07:29] <cfhowlett> !usb | RatchetTheGamer
[07:30] <siddig> yes
[07:30] <knot> SatoshiRole:i have no idea of pulseaudio,but for loading your device driver module that command is used
[07:30] <SatoshiRole> hateball: Did I loose you in all that? :)
[07:31] <hateball> SatoshiRole: no, I have to try and do some actual work while at work also :p
[07:32] <SatoshiRole> hateball: oh, cool. At least I have a clue what's going on now.
[07:33] <SatoshiRole> knot: I'm lacking on understanding the audio stack. Do you know what usually loads the module in Ubuntu?
[07:33] <ANTI_psychiatry> Psychiatry         i __ s :     F__R__A__U__D       F__R__A__U__D      F__R__A__U__D                      !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!           PLS,visit: antipsychiatry.org
[07:33] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, insmod
[07:33] <glitchd> ANTI_psychiatry, goodbye
[07:34] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: I mean, like where, in what config file or script, and at what point?
[07:34] <krytarik> !ops | ANTI_psychiatry
[07:35] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, no, thats the command to load a module
[07:35] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, what module?
[07:35] <ANTI_psychiatry> wake up  WAKE UP :    Psychiatry         i __ s :     F__R__A__U__D       F__R__A__U__D      F__R__A__U__D                      !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!           PLS,visit: antipsychiatry.org
[07:36] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: The sound, driver module... I think.
[07:36] <cfhowlett> !ops | ANTI_psychiatry
[07:37] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, did it not load on its own?
[07:37] <LinuxNovice> hello, I'm new to Linux. I wanted to know whether Linux Mint has security issues attached with its various distros. I read somewhere that it had to deal with some security breach.
[07:37] <cfhowlett> hexchat users: /ignore username will do eaclty that.
[07:37] <ducasse> !mint | LinuxNovice
[07:37] <cfhowlett> LinuxNovice, best you ask mint about its issues.  it's not ubuntu nor supported here
[07:37] <LinuxNovice> Is it safe to use for personal banking and such other transactions.
[07:37] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: right we found Audio device, Kernel driver is not loaded.
[07:38] <LinuxNovice> Linux Mint will say its distros are safe. Someone there actually recommended Mint over other distros.
[07:38] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, 16.04?
[07:38] <ducasse> LinuxNovice: then try ##linux
[07:39] <LinuxNovice> I wanted to know the general opinion about that.
[07:39] <cfhowlett> LinuxNovice, again; mint is not discussed or supported here because this is - wait for it - UBUNTU support.
[07:39] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: 14.04 server.
[07:39] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, ok 1 sec
[07:39] <LinuxNovice> Since the community here is large, I thought of raising that query here.
[07:40] <ducasse> LinuxNovice: if you want the general opinion then ##linux is a general place to ask. please stop now.
[07:40] <LinuxNovice> By the way , I like Ubuntu and its variants a lot.
[07:40] <cfhowlett> are you trolling us now, LinuxNovice?  we gave you serveral links.
[07:40] <LinuxNovice> Is LXLE supported by Ubuntu?
[07:40] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: I just wanted to mimic the way a full install of Ubuntu would do it. It's understandable that It's missing, since this is a very minimal install. I have to set these things up.
[07:41] <ducasse> LinuxNovice: no
[07:41] <cfhowlett> !flavors | LinuxNovice these are the flavors.  Not on this list?  not supported here.
[07:41] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, ohh, i didnt know you were doing an install like that
[07:41] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, what sound are you using? pulse or alsa?
[07:41] <fossify> !flavors
[07:42] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, and im not sure off the top of my head so im searching for answers based on the info you give me
[07:42] <LinuxNovice> I have used Lubuntu and Xubunt on my old laptop. Found them to be great distros. Can't use Ubuntu because my laptop is pretty old.
[07:43] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: yea, it's for an Internet Kiosk. I followed these instructions, because he made it look super easy
[07:43] <SatoshiRole> https://thepcspy.com/read/building-a-kiosk-computer-ubuntu-1404-chrome/
[07:43] <SatoshiRole> and it was. It  works great, except no audio.
[07:44] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, it looks like you need to make the user a membre of the audio group for audio services to load
[07:44] <glitchd> SatoshiRole,   sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER
[07:45] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: Yep, I did. I was wondering about that command though. Why $USER, and not user, the actual username?
[07:46] <LinuxNovice> hey, it says there ##linux Cannot send to channel.
[07:46] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, i think $USER is a variable that pulls the user name automatically
[07:47] <cfhowlett> !register | LinuxNovice
[07:47] <LinuxNovice> ok. But, what
[07:47] <RatchetTheGamer> I'm going to use rufus what setting do I want to use for uefi?
[07:47] <cfhowlett> LinuxNovice, register a nick.
[07:47] <SatoshiRole> I followed those instructions exactly... twice actually. After many hours of searching, I wiped it, and did it all again with the same result.
[07:48] <LinuxNovice> ok. But, what is your opinion on Linux Mint? Which one do you prefer Mint XFCE or Xubuntu?
[07:48] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: Either I've overlooked something, or he has a subtle mistake in there.
[07:48] <ducasse> LinuxNovice: isn't that obvious?
[07:48] <cfhowlett> LinuxNovice, seriously?  knock it off.
[07:48] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, he?
[07:49] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: can you pastebin 'lspci -k'?
[07:49] <glitchd> LinuxNovice, careful..
[07:49] <LinuxNovice> you mean, Xubuntu?
[07:49] <SatoshiRole> Oli Warner
[07:49] <SatoshiRole> https://thepcspy.com/read/building-a-kiosk-computer-ubuntu-1404-chrome/
[07:50] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: http://pastebin.com/WN1YUUHj
[07:51] <SatoshiRole> Sorry! ducasse: http://pastebin.com/WN1YUUHj
[07:51] <hateball> SatoshiRole: So... do you have one regular user-account, and then a special kiosk account?
[07:51] <LinuxNovice> careful? with what?
[07:52] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: so you're using the intel audio driver. have you checked alsamiser that nothing is muted, and that pulse is using the right device?
[07:52] <hateball> SatoshiRole: I read the thing about using $USER instead of pointing to the kiosk user (in case it is different)
[07:52] <SatoshiRole> hateball: No, not yet. I didn't want to add any extra complication at this point.
[07:52] <ILoveDevRandom> ducasse, hi, man!
[07:52] <glitchd> LinuxNovice, because youve been warned already, this is a ubuntu support channel. not an "what your opinion on this" channel.
[07:52] <hateball> SatoshiRole: Alright then
[07:53] <LinuxNovice> ok, dude. cool down.
[07:53] <ducasse> ILoveDevRandom: hi :)
[07:53] <ILoveDevRandom> ducasse, i3 rulz!
[07:53] <cfhowlett> !topic | LinuxNovice
[07:53] <glitchd> LinuxNovice, lol im not mad, im just telling you before you get kicked or banned for breaking the rules
[07:54] <ILoveDevRandom> ducasse, what window switcher do you use?
[07:54] <LinuxNovice> It seems Ubuntu has a larger community. I will try with some Ubuntu distros only.
[07:54] <RatchetTheGamer> What settings do i use in rufus for uefi
[07:54] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: Yes, I did check that. alsamixer had shown it turned all the way down, which I changed, but didn't make a difference. Is there anywhere else it could be muted?
[07:55] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: try installing pavucontrol, then check that the right output device is selected and not muted.
[07:56] <ducasse> ILoveDevRandom: none, i switch windows with keybindings.
[07:56] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: I will. But if the kernel driver is not loaded, won't none of this make a difference?
[07:57] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: but it is loaded.
[07:57] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, also check to make sure the channel is not muted in alsa mixer
[07:57] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: oh! I didn't see it. what is it that you see?
[07:57] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: the 'lspci -k' output, under audio device - "Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel"
[07:58] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: ah... okay. I'm dyslexic or something.
[07:59] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: easy to miss something when you've stared yourself blind for hours :)
[07:59] <SatoshiRole> Yes, I've been at this since 5 this morning.
[07:59] <ILoveDevRandom> ducasse, whats the maximum number of open windows youve ever experienced?
[08:00] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: um, can pavucontrol be accessed on the terminal?
[08:00] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: no, it's an x app. no gui?
[08:01] <SatoshiRole> there is a GUI, but no desktop. let me see if I can figure out how to launch it.
[08:02] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: can you get a terminal?
[08:03] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: no terminal emulators installed, just tty, and ssh.
[08:03] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: you're going to need one sonner or later
[08:03] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: I'm going to add it to the same script that loads the browser, unless you know an easier way.
[08:03] <ducasse> ILoveDevRandom: you should check out rofi, it can also be used as a window switcher
[08:04] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: sounds good for now.
[08:05] <ILoveDevRandom> ducasse, how do you switch between windows? what keyboard shortcuts?
[08:05] <LinuxNovice> hi, what is best way of using android apps on ubuntu?
[08:05] <ducasse> ILoveDevRandom: mod+arrow keys or jkl;
[08:06] <ILoveDevRandom> ducasse, how do you know what apps are currently open?
[08:06] <ducasse> LinuxNovice: you need an emulator
[08:06] <glitchd> ILoveDevRandom, u can use remixOS in a vm to use android apps
[08:07] <LinuxNovice> please explain that. I am new here.
[08:07] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: i guess I don't know the command to launch it.
[08:07] <LinuxNovice> to Linux.
[08:07] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: 'pavucontrol'
[08:07] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: thats what I thought... let me doublecheck
[08:08] <glitchd> LinuxNovice, install virtualbox, then download the iso for remixOS. then install remixOS in virtualbox. then boot the virtual machine. the install android apps on it.
[08:08] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: are you doing this from ~/xinitrc or similar?
[08:08] <ILoveDevRandom> ducasse, how do you know what apps are currently open?
[08:08] <glitchd> LinuxNovice, you can even use the play store on remixOS
[08:08] <ducasse> ILoveDevRandom: i can see them, it's a tiling wm.
[08:09] <glitchd> LinuxNovice, sry wrong user
[08:09] <ILoveDevRandom> ducasse, but if theyre spreaded on various workspaces?
[08:09] <LinuxNovice> what is this remixOS?
[08:09] <glitchd> LinuxNovice, like i said i got names confused and those last few messages were meant for ILoveDevRandom
[08:10] <ILoveDevRandom> glitchd, its ok
[08:10] <ducasse> ILoveDevRandom: i don't have any problem keeping track of that. i usually start most of what i'll need automatically on startup.
[08:11] <ILoveDevRandom> ducasse, and you keep them open til shutdown?
[08:11] <ducasse> ILoveDevRandom: yes
[08:11] <glitchd> anways, ILoveDevRandom you can use remixOS to install android apps
[08:11] <glitchd> ILoveDevRandom, it even has the play store on it
[08:11] <ILoveDevRandom> glitchd, you said it already a few times
[08:11] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: I'm not clear on the linkage but I had a typo.
[08:11] <SatoshiRole> its in /opt/kiosk.sh
[08:12] <SatoshiRole> https://thepcspy.com/read/building-a-kiosk-computer-ubuntu-1404-chrome/
[08:14] <Guest27375> exit
[08:15] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: It's not muted.
[08:15] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: and the right output is selected?
[08:15] <glitchd> ILoveDevRandom, oh, youre counting?
[08:15] <glitchd> ILoveDevRandom, what number am i up to now?
[08:16] <RatchetTheGamer> What settings to I use on rufus for uefi?
[08:16] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: there is only one output, but there is an x on the speaker icon.
[08:16] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: but the button isn't 'pressed in'?
[08:17] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: no I was able to verify that.
[08:17] <SatoshiRole> when you click on it the volume control grays out.
[08:17] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: what are you outputting to? speakers?
[08:17] <ILoveDevRandom> glitchd, im not seeking to offend you
[08:18] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: the internal speakers of the laptop
[08:18] <glitchd> ILoveDevRandom, thats good, i dont like being offended=) btw i wasnt offended, i was trying to joke with you
[08:19] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: are you sure they're ok?
[08:20] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: under configuration, I have analog stereo duplex, analog stereo output, analog stereo input, and off. analog stereo duplex was selected.
[08:21] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: that's ok
[08:21] <ILoveDevRandom> glitchd, ok!
[08:21] <LinuxNovice> hi and one more question I have. Is it necessary to have an anti virus software installed in LInux?
[08:21] <ikevin> SatoshiRole, see in alsamixer if you have anything in mute
[08:21] <cfhowlett> !virus | LinuxNovice
[08:22] <ducasse> ikevin: he checked already
[08:22] <LinuxNovice> thanks a lot.
[08:22] <ikevin> jack output is working?
[08:22] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: yea, not muted there, but that x on the speaker icon concerns me.
[08:22] <LinuxNovice> and how can we check the file system errors in ubuntu?
[08:23] <LinuxNovice> if there is an accidental shutdown or when some files get corrupted.
[08:23] <ikevin> LinuxNovice, go in recovery mode and use fsck
[08:23] <Triffid_Hunter> LinuxNovice: fsck although usually it's run automatically in the case of unclean shutdown
[08:24] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: shouldn't the volume of alsamixer, and pavucontrol match?
[08:24] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: no, not neccessarily
[08:24] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: oh they do I just had to refresh it.
[08:25] <LinuxNovice> ok. if I am in the middle of installing a package an the computer shuts down due to power failure.
[08:25] <LinuxNovice> if the package hasn't been installed completely.
[08:25] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: I actually don't see a way to mute it in alsamixer
[08:25] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: press 'm' when the device is selected
[08:26] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: yep, just saw it, and the result shows in pavucontrol also
[08:26] <SatoshiRole> except that x on the speaker icon, everything else looks good on both of them.
[08:28] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: set at fallback was selected.
[08:33] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: I think I'm whooped. Any other ideas?
[08:34] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: can you see the volume slider move when you play something?
[08:34] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, youre still trying to get sound unmuted?
[08:34] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: It's not muted.
[08:35] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, but its acting like its muted?
[08:35] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: yea, kinda
[08:35] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, what is the problem, clue me in so i dont have to scroll back to the beginning
[08:36] <glitchd> give me the cliff notes version of the problem
[08:37] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: the kernel driver is loaded, both alsamixer, and pavucontrol show it's not muted. correct audio device is selected(there is only one) but still no sound.
[08:37] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: do you see the slider move?
[08:37] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, by chance have you tried rebooting?
[08:38] <_ADN_> HI Guys, I have notice with my 16.04 that if I ran out of RAM the computer power off. Is that an error that has been found elsewhere?
[08:38] <glitchd> since loading the mod
[08:38] <SatoshiRole> in pavucontrol, there is a red x on the speaker icon though, both under the playback tab, and the Output devices tab.
[08:38] <glitchd> maybe 2 different processes are trying to use it and its causing a conflict
[08:39] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: yea, I've rebooted.
[08:39] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: i have that too, and it's playing. now, do you see the slider move?
[08:39] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, are there speakers or headphone plugged into the machine?
[08:40] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: No, no activity on pavucontrol during playback.
[08:40] <SatoshiRole> glitchd: they're internal laptop speakers.
[08:40] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: then something is wrong with pulse.
[08:40] <glitchd> its not configured correctly
[08:40] <glitchd> plug head phones in and see if there is sound
[08:41] <glitchd> just as a test
[08:42] <SatoshiRole> isn't there like a pulseaudio --stop and start command? I thought I saw one.
[08:42] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: just try restarting pulse.
[08:42] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: 'service pulseaudio restart' should work
[08:43] <vyst> Alright, I'm back with Ubuntu Mate up and running. I'm having an issue getting my 2nd monitor to the right resolution. I generally use "cvt 1680 1050 && xrandr --newmode 'x' <output> && xrandr --addmode HDMI-0 x" to adjust the resolution, but now I'm getting an error.
[08:44] <glitchd> vyst, install Arandr
[08:44] <glitchd> its a gui for xrandr
[08:44] <vyst> Installing now...
[08:45] <glitchd> vyst, unless you like working in cmd only..
[08:45] <vyst> Doesn't matter to me. Now how do I use arandr?
[08:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[08:45] <glitchd> open it and youll understand
[08:45] <SatoshiRole> ducasse:
[08:45] <SatoshiRole> http://pastebin.com/4e6Lrxwk
[08:45] <vyst> Already opened and already don't understand.
[08:45] <glitchd> lol
[08:45] <glitchd> 1 sec
[08:46] <vyst> Aha, there we go.
[08:46] <vyst> Nope. Error.
[08:46] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: with sudo
[08:46] <SatoshiRole> oh :(
[08:47] <glitchd> vyst, error?
[08:47] <vyst> Yea, when I click on the 1680x1050, I get an error.
[08:47] <SatoshiRole> stop: Unknown instance
[08:47] <SatoshiRole> But it seems to have restarted
[08:48] <vyst> There we go. Got it.
[08:48] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: no result
[08:48] <glitchd> vyst, does the monitor support that resolution?
[08:48] <glitchd> vyst, booya!
[08:48] <vyst> I had to trick it into working, but it worked.
[08:48] <glitchd> vyst, booya!
[08:49] <SatoshiRole> ducasse: I'm beat. It's almost 2 in the morning. Gotta work tomorrow.
[08:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yay the how much swap space classic styled question again, a type of question I have asked a few times or more since 2005 or so, but seriously if a laptop has 8GB RAM, how much swap space is it meant to have and why? the old double the RAM, and so 16gb seems a waste really
[08:50] <glitchd> SebthreeBQM10HD, just use 4gb ram, itll be fine with that
[08:50] <glitchd> SebthreeBQM10HD, 4 or 8
[08:50] <glitchd> SebthreeBQM10HD, its up to you really
[08:50] <SatoshiRole> hateball: ducasse: glitchd: Thanks for all your help.
[08:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> glitchcd could it still hibernate or whatever?
[08:50] <glitchd> SatoshiRole, =)
[08:51] <ducasse> SatoshiRole: ok, we'll try again another day - sleep well :)
[08:51] <glitchd> yep
[08:51] <glitchd> SebthreeBQM10HD, yep
[08:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you sure?
[08:52] <glitchd> SebthreeBQM10HD, on my laptop i have 8gb ram with 4gb swap and i suspend it everytime i shutdown, so yes
[08:52] <glitchd> suspend/hibernat/sleep
[08:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> glitchd, you know about uefi to on hp lap tops?
[08:53] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: hibernate needs swap to be at least the size of ram
[08:53] <glitchd> SebthreeBQM10HD, mine didnt come with uefi
[08:53] <glitchd> SebthreeBQM10HD, listen to ducasse, he knows way more than me
[08:54] <glitchd> SebthreeBQM10HD, what do you want to know about uefi?
[08:54] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: suspend works fine without swap, but hibernate stores the memory in the swap space
[08:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, so with 8GB RAM for hibernate and suspend to work it only needs to be 8GB SWAP?
[08:54] <David_Hedlund> How do I search for packages only if they include "linux" in the package title name with apt?:
[08:55] <ducasse> David_Hedlund: apt search --names-omly linux
[08:56] <David_Hedlund> ducasse: Thanks: sudo apt-cache search --names-only linux
[08:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> glitchchd
[08:56] <glitchd> SebthreeBQM10HD, yea?
[08:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok
[08:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> was trying to Ubunu a new lap top yesterday
[08:56] <glitchd> SebthreeBQM10HD, i meant, whats up?
[08:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> HP lap top UEFI I said new
[08:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I did my own about a year ago
[08:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> with UEFI and HP
[08:58] <glitchd> i dont know anything about installing ubuntu/linux on a uefi equipped laptop
[08:58] <glitchd> i know how to do it if u disable uefi, but thats it
[08:58] <glitchd> when i upgraded to windows 10 it didnt install uefi i guess
[08:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but I thought the where to install Grub options for Ubuntu 16.10 on a new lap top, would come up before install complete?
[08:59] <glitchd> because i never had to change anything, it just worked like normal
[08:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> didnt seem to
[08:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh well maybe in legacy
[09:00] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: you get that question if you use 'something else' install option
[09:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, I did the something ese option, cutom partitions,
[09:01] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: then it is below the partition list, iirc
[09:01] <David_Hedlund> ducasse: I get "rsyslog" on the list with sudo apt-cache search --names-only linux
[09:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, I was thinking may have missed something, since meant to point to Windows loader
[09:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but I didnt see anything last night hmm
[09:03] <ducasse> David_Hedlund: apt-cache also searches the one-line description, apt does not - use that instead
[09:03] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: it is really easy to overlook, imo
[09:04] <David_Hedlund> ducasse: sudo apt search --names-only linux | sort # not valid
[09:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, yeah ihad a issue like that with mine to begin with abut a year
[09:04] <ducasse> David_Hedlund: are you on 14.04?
[09:05] <David_Hedlund> ducasse: Yes.
[09:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, I guess like mine to begin with until doing it right, could be installed and could get into via boot options, but no grub by default so
[09:06] <ducasse> David_Hedlund: apt may not have had that implemented back then, it's a pretty new frontend. it works on later versions.
[09:06] <cfhowlett> David_Hedlund, 14.04 is apt-get         apt rolled out with 16.04
[09:06] <David_Hedlund> ducasse: sudo apt-cache search --names-only linux | grep linux | sort
[09:07] <David_Hedlund> ducasse: That works like a charm.
[09:07] <David_Hedlund> cfhowlett: Thx.
[09:07] <ducasse> cfhowlett: it was present, just not very complete
[09:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducase Grub has to come up by default and ideally Ubuntu as the default boot heh heh, or the user of the lap top is rather unlikly to use it
[09:07] <cfhowlett> happy2help! David_Hedlund
[09:07] <cfhowlett> noted, ducasse
[09:08] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: i'm having a bit of trouble following you, doesn't it start grub now?
[09:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, nope goes straight into windows, i had a issue like that with mine about a year ago. looks like I am indeed going to have to re install, and make sure that the intaller ponts to the windows uefi
[09:11] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: point it to the efi system partition, you can see which it is in the partition list
[09:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, but I cant do big seen shown changes, untill later on, or the person whos lap top it now is, won't be happy with me
[09:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, is 90GB for Ubuntu with a seperate home as well though and swap, a bit much or not I am thinking, left 100GB free space in Windows 10 when I last looked last night, but despite everythng I have said etc, he would probably use Windows 10 only or mostly, at first anyway
[09:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, its only got a 256GB SSD in there
[09:17] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: you can get by with far less, especially if it's not used much
[09:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, apparantly the Windows 10 annivursury editioni is meant to have like 60GB free space to
[09:19] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: no idea about that...
[09:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, well hes not totally stupid or something like that, I saw him updating his Android phone the other day, and he has said to me about ios updates in the pat even, and seemed to understand some of the security stuff I was saying, and said he would install updates if it poped up saying there was
[09:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, but I would expect him to use Windows more for some gaming for example, etc
[09:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, still here?
[09:24] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: yes, just busy. doing many things at once.
[09:25] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: it might be a good idea to install ubuntu in a vm, sp he can get used to it while still having a familiar windows environment to fall back on.
[09:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, and indeed can generally can have much for a linux distro, but i am vaguely thinking maybe 90gb is a bit much still really, and windows generally is the one that needs more space
[09:27] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: he can still store data on the windows partition, like movies and music.
[09:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, maybe a vm as well, but I dont think he would use that really, plus have already said stuff like Firefox is more secure to ue in windows, intead of whats there by deault you know, and that its easy to get virus there etc, and that ubuntu / linux would be more secure as long as installing updates, for any slightly dodgy websites, well at his age, they go on websites that could posibly have malware at ti
[09:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mes
[09:32] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: how much memory does this machine have?
[09:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, 8GB RAM
[09:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> 256GB SSD
[09:32] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: should be fine to run a vm, as long as the cpu is decent.
[09:32] <abdel_> hello guys, I am installing LAMP on ubuntu 16.04....I have installed mysql server php7.0 and it was successful, although it did not ask for my password. However, when I do: mysql  -u  root  -p, I get this error: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[09:33] <abdel_>  please help
[09:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a newer intel i5
[09:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, hes not a geek
[09:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a techii
[09:34] <ducasse> abdel_: didn't you read the instructions?
[09:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, 15 and fist lap top of own, will hopefully start experimenting more with programs etc, like i did
[09:34] <ducasse> abdel_: it  tells you to run a script to set up password etc after install
[09:35] <abdel_> sorry, I am new to all this. I don't really kow how to do it cos I was just following the isntructions
[09:36] <abdel_> from the instruction, I never got any message that i will encounter such errror
[09:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, and why not give the option of a better system as well, when he uses it or not , that would be his choice, but in a way hopefully wndows seems like a bad experence, for linux to seem better
[09:38] <ducasse> abdel_: try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server'
[09:39] <abdel_> i have don that, so whats next?
[09:40] <ducasse> abdel_: no clue, try #ubuntu-server
[09:40] <abdel_> ok
[09:40] <abdel_> thanks
[09:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, i was thinking to add GNOME 3 and KDE into 16.10 install as well, and make clear their are different interfaces and what not to, then there are stil plenty of things for him to hopefuly try out himself in linux
[09:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> still as well
[09:43] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: 90gb is still a lot if he's just getting started with linux
[09:44] <motie> Firefox's password db are stored in seahorse right?? Can i export the passwords or copy them to gorillaPW manager?
[09:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, indeed, but could move files from window to the home
[09:45] <ducasse> motie: firefox also has an internal password storage, i've never used it with seahorse
[09:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, he has ueed as a bit as a kid on family computers, but other than that, would just be starting yes
[09:46] <motie> ducasse: But how did my passwords get into seahorse then?
[09:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, how much space do you think it should be?
[09:47] <ducasse> motie: no idea, must be an ubuntu thing i've never seen.
[09:48] <motie> ducasse: I always just assumed that it was the way Firefox did it. -now i'm all confused.
[09:48] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: impossible for me to say, since i'm not the one using it. if you give him 20-30gb he should be fine for a good while as long as he doesn't store big stuff there.
[09:49] <[twistii]> hi, i have a custom service that i can start with 'sudo service start'. how can i make it start automatically after boot (and, thats important, after mysql started) ?
[09:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, well you lose 8 to 16gb on swap
[09:50] <ducasse> motie: seems this is done by an extension
[09:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, well I set up last night as 20gb / and  16gb swap and the rest ./home of that 90gb
[09:51] <motie> ducasse: i figured it was the ubuntu add on?
[09:51] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: i was talking about just the filesystems, swap is a separate partition. and 16gb swap is twice what he'll ever need (if he even uses hibernate)
[09:51] <ducasse> motie: i'd assume so.
[09:52] <ducasse> [twistii]: update-rc.d
[09:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, Yes as I put earlier 16gb seems a  bit to much for swap wih 8gb ram
[09:53] <[twistii]> ducasse: i tried that, and it said there is no startup script for the service
[09:54] <[twistii]> but like i said, 'service wildfly start' works fine and as expected
[09:54] <motie> ducasse: Is it possible to export it
[09:55] <reza> Hi every one
[09:55] <ducasse> motie: found this - http://askubuntu.com/questions/428001/how-to-export-stored-password-from-seahorse#812961
[09:56] <reza> kasi irani hast?
[09:56] <EriC^> !iran | reza
[09:56] <reza> yes
[09:56] <motie> ducasse: I've seen that. Unfortunately i'm no good at the xml scripting
[09:57] <EriC^> if you speak english talk here reza
[09:57] <motie> Ducasse: It was only i you knew.
[09:57] <reza> i cant speek fluently
[09:58] <EriC^> reza: what countries speak a similar language? i couldn't find a ubuntu iran channel
[09:58] <EriC^> reza: no need to speak fluently, you seem to be doing great
[09:59] <reza> I don't know thanks
[09:59] <EriC^> reza: ask the channel about the problem you're having and wait for an answer
[10:00] <ducasse> motie: i can't find any ready-made tools. maybe you can find a script if you search github.
[10:00] <reza> I have Ubuntu on raspberry how can install Telegram
[10:01] <reza> I dont know more about linux
[10:01] <motie> ducasse: thanks. probably been most easy just typing them into gorilla.
[10:01] <ducasse> motie: unless there are many of them.
[10:05] <motie> ducasse a hundred maybe. bet it'll take 15 minuttes max
[10:31] <golfsailor> my ubunto don't boot. I can not find any boot loader. Maybe not installed ? I have Intel chipset so I downloaded the 32 bit 16.04 version. But even if I do a grub-install there is no loader in /EFI/Boot on the Efi partition. Any idea or help ?
[10:33] <ducasse> golfsailor: why not the 64-bit? do you have a 32-bit cpu?
[10:33] <golfsailor> ducasse: is that not only for amd ?
[10:33] <ducasse> golfsailor: no.
[10:34] <golfsailor> ducasse: look like that in the info
[10:35] <ducasse> golfsailor: what info?
[10:36] <ducasse> golfsailor: either way, it's not only for amd. it's named amd64 because amd was the first to release a 64-bit platform.
[10:36] <Rocketbomb> ทดสอบภาษาไทยสั่งสูง
[10:36] <Rocketbomb> sry wrong channel
[10:37] <Fabou> vamps
[10:37] <Guddu> My Ubuntu server isgetting suspended even when I am running a process from commmand line. Please guide how I could disable this behaviour.
[10:39] <golfsailor> ducasse: the name of the link is https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/contribute?version=16.04.1&architecture=amd64
[10:42] <ducasse> golfsailor: i just told you why that is.
[10:43] <golfsailor> ducasse: ok I will will try that version then
[10:53] <glitchd> why the heck can i ssh out of my server but not into it?
[10:53] <Shadowmm> check firewall
[10:53] <glitchd> how so?
[10:54] <Shadowmm> sudo ufw allow 22/udp
[10:54] <glitchd> i have forwarded the port in the router already
[10:54] <glitchd> i set it to both udp and tcp
[10:55] <Shadowmm> if you have ufw enabled on the server you still need to edit the firewall
[10:55] <Shadowmm> by running that command
[10:55] <Shadowmm> sudo ufw allow 22/udp
[10:55] <glitchd> its not the server version of ubuntu
[10:55] <glitchd> it just ubuntu that i call my server lol
[10:55] <glitchd> i can ssh out of it but not into it
[10:56] <Shadowmm> sudo ufw disable
[10:56] <Shadowmm> try that and see if it works
[10:56] <glitchd> i have set a different port in both ssh_config and sshd_config, restarted the services and still nothing
[10:56] <Mathisen> glitchd, listen to the man
[10:56] <Mathisen> glitchd, ufw is still there server or not
[10:57] <glitchd> i am i was just explaining what ive done so far
[10:57] <glitchd> do i need to restart the server after i run that command?
[10:57] <Shadowmm> no
[10:57] <glitchd> well it said firewall stopped and disabled but i still cant ssh into it
[10:58] <Mathisen> you do have installed ssh server right ?
[10:58] <Mathisen> sudo apt install openssh-server
[10:59] <glitchd> yep and its already newest version
[11:00] <Mathisen> does ssh 127.0.0.1 work ?
[11:00] <glitchd> i was having a problem the other day and thought it was a problem with ssh, so i removed it then reinstalled it, but it turned out not to be the problem at all, since then it has not worked
[11:00] <glitchd> no it does not
[11:01] <glitchd> but i can ssh into my other computer from it just not into it from the other computer
[11:01] <Mathisen> sudo apt purge openssh-server && sudo apt install openssh-server
[11:02] <glitchd> i also changed the ssh port to 77 in both ssh_config and sshd_config
[11:02] <glitchd> im doing that right now
[11:02] <glitchd> sudo apt- purge openssh-server && sudo apt install openssh-server
[11:02] <glitchd> whoops..lol
[11:03] <glitchd> and just to make sure, i should use both udp and tcp for the firewall port in my router, right?
[11:06] <Mathisen> tcp should be enough
[11:07] <glitchd> sudo maybe thats the problem then..
[11:09] <glitchd> good lord still not working
[11:10] <Mathisen> pastebin output from this pls >>  ps -aux | grep ssh
[11:10] <glitchd> ssh_config and sshd_config should be set to the same port, right?
[11:12] <glitchd> Mathisen, http://pastebin.com/t0SBEzcP
[11:13] <Mathisen> no idea anymore whatever changes you done to the config files may be the problem
[11:13] <Mathisen> i bet someone smarter in here knows
[11:14] <glitchd> but everyone is so shy..lol
[11:19] <glitchd> wait i thought of something else that changed since i was able to ssh in
[11:20] <glitchd> the lan port took a crap so now im using wifi on the server, and my laptop is wired, and always has been
[11:20] <glitchd> Mathisen, does that make a difference?
[11:21] <Mathisen> nope
[11:21] <glitchd> dang.
[11:21] <Mathisen> you should still be able to ssh in localy " ssh 127.0.0.1 " and if that dont even work i have no clue
[11:22] <glitchd> yea i just get connection refused
[11:22] <Mathisen> you not using root right ?
[11:22] <glitchd> nope
[11:23] <Mathisen> but you change ports right ? ssh 127.0.0.1 -p xx
[11:23] <Mathisen> xx = your port
[11:24] <glitchd> yep still refused
[11:24] <Mathisen> i realy have no clue
[11:24] <glitchd> well thank you for your effort
[11:24] <glitchd> much appreciated
[11:26] <welly> Hello all. New ubuntu desktop user - can anyone recommend a replacement terminal app? the default one is a bit basic
[11:26] <welly> thanks!
[11:27] <Mathisen> welly, guake is nice
[11:27] <welly> Mathisen: ok wicked, i'll take a look. thanks!
[11:28] <glitchd> Mathisen, ok so i was just able to ssh on localhost on that machine but still not connect from another machine if that narrows it down for you
[11:29] <akkonrad> tried to install apt-get install php5-mcrypt but it's installed. but I still get error on my php site: Call to undefined function mcrypt_module_open
[11:29] <akkonrad> ubuntu 14.04
[11:31] <Mathisen> akkad, sudo mv /etc/php5/conf.d/mcrypt.ini /etc/php5/mods-available/ && sudo php5enmod mcrypt
[11:31] <Mathisen> then restart apache  " sudo service apache2 restart "
[11:31] <yocs0000> hi everybody! We are currently using kubuntu, but we would start using also ubuntu with unity.
[11:31] <yocs0000> Is that possible? How do we do that?
[11:32] <hateball> yocs0000: sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop
[11:32] <hateball> yocs0000: then you can pick between unity or plasma session when you logi
[11:36] <Not_a_Robot>  Please guys, can you help me with this problem? http://paste.ubuntu.com/23511073/
[11:37] <hateball> Not_a_Robot: run "file myfile.c" and see what encoding it has?
[11:37] <hateball> and then open accordingly
[11:38] <Not_a_Robot> hateball: it says "data"
[11:45] <yocs0000> thank you hateball
[11:46] <geirha> Somebody messed up myfile.c good
[12:06] <hooo> why do i always have these problems with ubuntu? they are unsolvable for a normal user: http://pastebin.com/ibU0Cgqf
[12:08] <hateball> hooo: You're installing packages from a PPA by the looks of things
[12:18] <hooo> hateball: im just following the instructions from here: https://www.microsoft.com/net/core#linuxubuntu
[12:18] <TomyWork> hooo ask microsoft for support then
[12:18] <TomyWork> it's their software and their repository
[12:18] <hateball> hooo: what TomyWork said
[12:28] <hooo> TomyWork, the problem is with UBUNTU
[12:28] <hooo> it doesnt let me install it
[12:29] <hateball> hooo: Only official packages are supported here
[12:30] <hateball> You are trying to install from a source that clearly has some packaging issues
[12:30] <prtg02> hi all :)
[12:30] <ducasse> hooo: you are blaming ubuntu for microsoft software, how does that make sense?
[12:31] <pratikkamat> hi
[12:31] <pratikkamat> anyone here
[12:32] <hooo> ducasse, hateball: It's not about the specific package. I just want Ubuntu to work properly and let me install it
[12:32] <ducasse> hooo: it won't install it because the packaging is *broken*
[12:33] <ducasse> hooo: nothing wrong with ubuntu here
[12:33] <hooo> how is it broken
[12:33] <hooo> ducasse, ubuntu doesnt install the package
[12:33] <hooo> i call that an ubuntu problem ?
[12:33] <hateball> It doesnt really matter if you call it that when it's incorrect
[12:35] <ducasse> hooo: "The following packages have unmet dependencies" means it is broken. complain to ms, not us.
[12:37] <hooo> ducasse, it says that Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 6) but 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.4 is to be installed
[12:37] <hooo> that is clearly an ubuntu problem
[12:37] <hooo> how am i supposed to know why the wrong "libstdc++6" is installed and how to fix it?
[12:37] <Not_a_Robot> Can someone help me please to recover myfile.c? I don't have a copy of the code please :(
[12:40] <bhuddah> hooo: which version of ubuntu do you have installed? which source did you add from that page?
[12:40] <xubuntu92i> hi!
[12:41] <brunch875> hello!
[12:41] <hooo> bhuddah: i have 16.10
[12:41] <xubuntu92i> using the installer from live iso, how to create a LUKS partition with an ext 4 partition and a swap space?
[12:42] <bhuddah> hooo: then please examine /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dotnetdev.list and pastebin the contents
[12:42] <xubuntu92i> I see the installer can create an encrypted partition, but it automatically creates an ext4 partition inside, and there is no way to adjust this.
[12:44] <hooo> bhuddah: deb [arch=amd64] https://apt-mo.trafficmanager.net/repos/dotnet-release/ yakkety main
[12:45] <bhuddah> hooo: well. that looks alright. have you tried it with "sudo apt-get install dotnet-dev"
 ducasse, hateball: It's not about the specific package. I just want Ubuntu to work properly and let me install it
[12:45] <TomyWork> so official packages dont work either?
[12:46] <TomyWork> and that is clearly an issue with your package: <hooo> ducasse, it says that Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 6) but 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.4 is to be installed
[12:46] <TomyWork> it's not compatible with your ubuntu version
[12:48] <xubuntu92i> using the installer from live iso, how to create a LUKS partition with an ext 4 partition and a swap space?
[12:48] <xubuntu92i> I see the installer can create an encrypted partition, but it automatically creates an ext4 partition inside, and there is no way to adjust this.
[12:49] <akik> xubuntu92i: i followed this guide to do it
[12:49] <TomyWork> hooo the only other option is that you have a mixed system between 16.04 and 16.10.
[12:49] <akik> xubuntu92i: http://thesimplecomputer.info/full-disk-encryption-with-ubuntu (although this doesn't encrypt /boot)
[12:49] <TomyWork> hooo But that's not supported either
[12:51] <xubuntu92i> akik, thanks, will look into it, seems to be a good source.
[12:51] <akik> xubuntu92i: there's another guide to encrypt also /boot
[12:52] <xubuntu92i> yes, please!!!
[12:52] <akik> xubuntu92i: i haven't tested this one, maybe some day. http://www.pavelkogan.com/2014/05/23/luks-full-disk-encryption/
[12:52] <hron84> I'm not sure I can ask about here, but I couldn't find a matching channel. I trying to build a deb package from a binary-only program (it will be never committed to the ubuntu devs, so i am complety ignoring licensing and other issues about this) but I stuck at " binary build with no binary artifacts found" error message from dpkg-genchanges. What do i need to include to my control file to pass through on it? I'm pretty sure I'm missing an obvious thing.
[12:52] <uruk> hello
[12:53] <uruk> i want pass ubuntu 15 to 16 but don't work
[12:53] <xubuntu92i> btw I feel this is very uncomfortable still in 16.04. It should be expected that users still have another system on one partition but want to encrypt hd.
[12:53] <hron84> uruk: tell us what did you tried and where do yu stuck
[12:54] <uruk> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade    --> 0 upgrades
[12:54] <TomyWork> uruk 15 what to 16 what
[12:55] <uruk> ubuntu 15.10 to ubuntu 16.04
[12:55] <hateball> !eolupgrade | uruk
[12:55] <hron84> uruk: try "update-manager -d"
[12:56] <hron84> uruk: this wizard will drive you through the upgrade procedure
[12:56] <akik> hron84: there's a app that can help you do it
[12:56] <TomyWork> uruk once you're done with the upgrade i recommend staying at 16.04 for a while. 16.04 has like 7 years of support, while 3 releases following it will only have like 9 months of support
[12:56] <hron84> akik: ?
[12:56] <Not_a_Robot> hateball: geirha, please, can you tell me how to read a data format file, please
[12:57] <akik> hron84: to create a deb package from one binary file
[12:57] <TomyWork> Not_a_Robot are you actually a robot?
[12:57] <akik> hron84: the package is called equivs
[12:57] <hron84> it's not one binary file. Its a tree of binary files
[12:57] <ducasse> Not_a_Robot: that's impossible to answer, as we don't know the format
[12:57] <akik> hron84: doesn't matter
[12:57] <Not_a_Robot> ducasse: it is a C file I was programming!
[12:57] <hron84> it's a completet 3rdparty software with strict file locations
[12:58] <ducasse> Not_a_Robot: not anymore, it would seem
[12:58] <uruk> yes thanks now work it
[12:58] <TomyWork> Not_a_Robot maybe it's utf-16 without a bom or something? :D
[12:58] <Not_a_Robot> TomyWork: beep beep. I'm not a robot, no...
[12:58] <Not_a_Robot> TomyWork: I don't know how to convert it to utf-16
[12:58] <Not_a_Robot> or whatever, I'm just lost
[12:59] <hron84> akik: also it has a lot of 32 bit dependencies, so i need a lot of fiddling in control file to make it work. I have an old control file from a 3rdparty deb but the provider already stopped supporting the program, so i trying to reconstruct a development 'control' file to make a new deb package with fixed dependencies. But too much time passed
[12:59] <hron84> akik: so i have a partially working setup, I need to fix only this problem, nothing else.
[13:00] <akik> hron84: ok maybe equivs is not for you. but it's one choice
[13:00] <hron84> akik: thanks for the information, i'll check it out when i have another problem than this
[13:00] <hron84> akik: do you have any idea about the current problem?
[13:01] <TomyWork> hron84 go for equivs. it's the easiest way to get from a simple binary to a package
[13:01] <hron84> TomyWork: again, this is not a simple binary.
[13:01] <TomyWork> well in the package i mean
[13:02] <TomyWork> dependencies are just metadata
[13:02] <hron84> it depends on 32 bit packages (a half gnome, actually) and i really don't belive equivs can generate things right.
[13:02] <TomyWork> you can probably take over that control file verbatim and use it for equivs
[13:03] <hron84> TomyWork: yeah, but i do not know how equivs works, also i am pretty unsure in deb package creation (i made a lot of rpms but a few debs) so i rather not want to fight two unknown thing to make a big mess.
[13:03] <hron84> I partially understand how dpkg-buildpackage works, I would like to keep on the way i already walked on.
[13:03] <TomyWork> hron84 well you have an existing control file and you're not sure how deb packaging works
[13:04] <TomyWork> => equivs :)
[13:04] <TomyWork> oh you already have that working?
[13:04] <TomyWork> nm then
[13:04] <TomyWork> so what do you already have?
[13:04] <hron84> TomyWork: Actually, i know how deb packaging works on the surface. But not in the deeps like i made a millions or bazillions of deb files.
[13:05] <hron84> *like if
[13:15] <amin1988> Helli
[13:15] <amin1988> hello
[13:17] <younder> Just a revelation. There are 1892 users on this group. Imagine if they all were to respond..  How about we just state the problem, answer he problem, and otherwise shut up.
[13:18] <amin1988> younder what do you say ???
[13:20] <younder> Just that we are a lot of people on this group and it would erupt into chaos if we all were to respond at one. So avoid things like 'hi all' etc. Although they are cozy on smaller gorups.
[13:21] <AtuM> younder, stfu
[13:21] <amin1988> OK man!! I understand
[13:23] <amin1988> Is this a group for answer questions?
[13:24] <akik> amin1988: yes, just ask
[13:24] <Fuchs> amin1988: this here would be Ubuntu Linux support
[13:24] <akik> !ask
[13:36] <fundical> allowing women to vote is a Chinese Hoax designed to bankrupt American business
[13:39] <elGALLO> how do i install unity WITHOUT libreoffice?
[13:39] <elGALLO> all ive found is how to 'remove --purge' but nothing on installing unity without
[13:39] <elGALLO> or just unity --no-reccomend-installs
[13:41] <younder> elGaLLO: the simplest is to stat with something simpler, like Ubuntu server
[13:41] <younder> elGaLLO: remeber to install anacron for systems tat are no onine all te time
[13:42] <younder> secondly install a widows manager of your liking
[13:44] <angelxenial1604l> hello to everyone there is a solution to install ttf-mscorefonts? me error downloading some fonts
[13:45] <elGALLO> younder I have 16.04 server installed but want to add unity without libreoffice if possible
[13:45] <elGALLO> or i could just install unity and remove --purge after
[13:46] <ducasse> elGALLO: the unity package has no dependence on libreoffice afaict
[13:46] <elGALLO> apt intall unity-dektop auto installs libreoffice,
[13:47] <elGALLO> desktop
[13:47] <ducasse> elGALLO: i can't even find unity-desktop, i was talking about unity
[13:47] <younder> OK, so anachron, and unity-desktop will do?
[13:48] <younder> ontop of a ubuntu server
[13:48]  * elGALLO facepalm
[13:49] <elGALLO> i meant ubuntu-dekstop*
[13:49] <ducasse> elGALLO: try 'unity' instead
[13:49] <elGALLO> ubuntu-desktop withouth libreoffice, ys, ubuntu-desktop can be installed with ubuntu server
[13:49] <elGALLO> ducasse thanks
[13:50] <younder> elGALLO: sorry, but removing libreoffice, as it is part of the standard distribution is rather hard, I would just remove after install.
[13:50] <elGALLO> younder thanks
[14:00] <Takumo> Hi all, is there a way to debug why fail2ban doesn't appear to be jailing users?
[14:00] <Takumo> I'm getting am e-mail that the jail is started but if I repeatedly fail I don't get jailed
[14:04] <indistylo> Folks, I am installing python-mysql connector  for django project, I am getting this error, http://pastebin.com/2PGxRzYE Kindly resolve this
[14:05] <Zemifeller> Hello
[14:06] <flexd> Uh, does anyone have any experience with high dpi screens? I have a dell XPS 9360 with a 3200x1800 screen.. That is fine, but I'm having trouble connecting a 1920x1080 external display over hdmi
[14:07] <younder> flexd, connecting how
[14:07] <flexd> I'm trying to use scaling with xrandr, but I can't seem to get this to work correctly... either it's the right resolution but I can only move my mouse 1/3 of the screen, or it covers 1/3 of the screen and I can only move my mouse so far
[14:08] <younder> flexd, you can't scale that kind of resolution difference
[14:08] <fundical> sue
[14:08] <flexd> I'm connected to a 24" 1080p monitor, and X/i3wm is only covering about 1/3 of the monitor in the top left now
[14:08] <younder> flexd you parably want a second screen
[14:08] <flexd> It's a second screen.
[14:08] <ducasse> indistylo: why aren't you installing it from the repos?
[14:08] <younder> probably
[14:08] <flexd> I do not want to mirror, I just want to only display stuff on the external screen when it's connected
[14:09] <younder> ah
[14:09] <ducasse> flexd: which i3 version are you using?
[14:10] <younder> An I3 with THAT resulution?
[14:11] <ducasse> younder: not that kind of i3
[14:11] <younder> ducasse, then what kind?
[14:11] <ducasse> younder: try 'apt show i3'
[14:12] <flexd> younder: it's i3 4.11, but it's not related to i3
[14:12] <younder> metapackage (i3 window manager, screen locker, menu, statusbar)
[14:12] <younder>  This metapackage installs the i3 window manager (i3-wm), the i3lock screen
[14:12] <younder>  locker, i3status (for system information) and suckless-tools (for dmenu).
[14:12] <younder>  These are all the tools you need to use the i3 window manager efficiently.
[14:13] <flexd> ducasse: ^ i3 version is not relevant
[14:13] <flexd> I could be running KDE and it's still an X issue
[14:13] <younder> true
[14:14] <ducasse> flexd: i only ask because there were supposedly a lot of hidpi fixes in 4.13. you are saying the entire x server is limited to parts of the display?
[14:14] <flexd> currently i3/everything is just what would be 1920x1080 inside 3200x1800
[14:14] <flexd> yes
[14:14] <flexd> or..
[14:14] <flexd> well everything you would see inside i3 is inside that window
[14:15] <flexd> but I can move the mouse outside that "window"
[14:15] <flexd> and the whole monitor has a desktop background
[14:15] <flexd> maybe this is actually i3 related
[14:16] <ducasse> flexd: if the whole monitor has background and you can move the mouse there, it would seem likely.
[14:17] <Not_a_Robot> Guys, do you know any cheap convertible (2in1) that has good Ubuntu support, please?
[14:17] <flexd> ducasse: https://s.flexd.net/x-or-i3.png
[14:18] <hateball> Not_a_Robot: try ##hardware
[14:19] <ducasse> flexd: that does not look like an x problem to me.
[14:20] <flexd> let me see if I can find a newer i3 from somewhere
[14:21] <ducasse> flexd: you will probably need to build, 4.13 came out days ago and that's the version with the fixes
[14:21] <flexd> they have a development build apt repo
[14:21] <flexd> was it released as a stable, or is it just committed?
[14:22] <ducasse> flexd: i didn't know they had a dev repo, thanks. stable.
[14:22] <flexd> I got 4.12-2 from the stable repo
[14:22] <flexd> hm
[14:22] <flexd> That did not seem to help
[14:23] <flexd> I am pretty sure it's a X problem
[14:23] <flexd> somehow
[14:24] <ducasse> flexd: what does xrandr say about the display(s)? can you pastebin the output?
[14:24] <flexd> if I made the framebuffer option to xrandr double the size, it now fills my whole screen
[14:24] <flexd> but is massive
[14:24] <flexd> yet spotify for example looks perfect now
[14:24] <ducasse> flexd: also, you could just try another wm to check.
[14:24] <flexd> https://gist.github.com/flexd/b8db5a749e616686f015a37290615377
[14:25] <flexd> yeah good point
[14:25] <flexd> let me see if I have something else installed
[14:28] <flexd> ducasse: okay, so it seems to work okay outside of i3
[14:28] <ducasse> flexd: the xrandr output looks good to me. i'm pretty sure i've heard others have this problem in #i3, but i don't have any hidpi screens myself.
[14:28] <flexd> but I'm not using xrandr here.. just used the ubuntu displays config thing
[14:28] <flexd> I have absolutely no idea what that does under the hood
[14:28] <ducasse> flexd: then i would absolutely try 4.13
[14:28] <ducasse> flexd: it calls xrandr
[14:30] <flexd> yeah but with what options?
[14:35] <ducasse> flexd: it probably just uses --mode and --scale with the selected options, i haven't really looked at it since i use xrandr itself
[14:35] <flexd> right
[14:44] <elGALLO> installed $sudo apt install unity-desktop | now my pwd doesnt work at the login screen. ctrl + alt + f6 and I can log in via tty6
[14:45] <elGALLO> after installing 16.04.1 server
[14:45] <melleb> Hi all, just saw https://github.com/samyk/poisontap and my paranoid self is wondering if I can disable usb networking from the command line. Googling (or duck duck going) didn't reveal any results...
[14:45] <allsafe_> hello I'm having Issue with Black Lab Linux
[14:49] <ducasse> allsafe_: that is not supported here, try their website for support forums
[14:49] <Danne_> Hi guys!  I installed Ubuntu 16.10 and everything works fine except one thing. The problem that I'm having is that I boot up Ubuntu and when I go into sound menu to see all my sound sources my usb headset is there and I can choose it and get sound. But then just after 2 minutes of beeing logged in all my audio sources except 1 disappear, the only one left is hdmi/displayport.   Has this happend to anyone else that the audio sources j
[14:49] <allsafe_> I'm Running it in Virtual Box 5.1 on Linux Mint. When I boot it up it seems to set it for Read-Only I have to go into Recovery mode and use Fsck to make it read/write then Resume boot
[14:49] <younder> Danne_, yes
[14:50] <allsafe_> I'm using HexChat in Black Lab, this was the Default Channel, sorry
[14:51] <Danne_> so how to fix it, younder?
[14:51] <younder> Danne, I found a linux sound debugging hwto. It seems you need to turn on all sound cannels.
[14:52] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:52] <theorem> this is strange -- all window decorations and the contents of windows that seem to rely on compiz or gtk (but not X) are missing letters and the contents of their windows.
[14:52] <younder> Danne, I think this was what helped: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/sound/sound_troubleshooting.htm
[14:57] <hron84> Hi! I trying to re-create a binary deb package without source (i have no access to the source package, this is a legacy, discontinued software) with fixed dependencies for Ubuntu Yakkety. However, I faced with error when trying to run dpkg-buildpackage against these configs: https://gist.github.com/hron84/dc1e009852e23e3357527ceefefa77cb the error is "binary build with no binary artifacts found; cannot distribute". What do I miss from my configs?
[14:57] <younder> Danne_, Basicaly there is a interdependency between sound channels, and if you shut one down many other go down as well. So connect them all and the disable the ones that don't affect sound.
[14:57] <xadd__> #c++
[14:58] <Chemi> test
[14:59] <Danne_> I understand what you saying but how do I connect them all and disable the ones I'm not using? because as it is now it seems like it wants the sound to come out of my pc monitor but that I don't want I want it only in my headphones
[14:59] <Danne_> kind of new to ubuntu
[15:00] <younder> Danne_, You are in alsa mixer?
[15:00] <Danne_> yes
[15:00] <Danne_> i can see master and capture
[15:02] <younder> Danne_, How about PCM?
[15:03] <Danne_> what is pcm? because I don't think i have
[15:03] <younder> Danne_,  I have Mater at 1/2, headphon at 0, PCM max, Gront max, front mic 0 Sorrund Max, Canter Max LFE mac, Side Max
[15:03] <younder> master
[15:04] <younder> Danne_, Is you chip Realtek LAC898 (upper left corder second row)?
[15:04] <younder> ALC
[15:05] <younder> corner
[15:05] <Danne_> so you can see your sources in alsa mixer? all I'm having is master and cpture with 4 grey bars
[15:05] <Danne_> no my chip saying pulseaudio
[15:06] <hron84> anyone with dpkg-buildpackage knowledge?
[15:09] <younder> The thing to reeber is that if you  apt source you alse need apr build-deps
[15:10] <younder> remeber
[15:10] <Thinkey> hey folks - I am trying to get my printer/scanner up and running.  I have the printer side working - however I am wondering where to enter the scanner settings?  I installed it via USB and print/scan worked - this is the wifi setup I need help with.
[15:11] <Adastra> Hey peps
[15:12] <ducasse> Thinkey: that very much depends on the manufacturer, for some models you need a plugin from the maker.
[15:13] <Thinkey> canon mx492.  and as I said, the seperate driver is installed already as I did run a scan with it via USB.
[15:13] <Thinkey> this is the wifi setting i'm looking tochange
[15:15] <ducasse> Thinkey: it might not support network scanning.
[15:16] <ovrlfw0x> is there any CORTANA, SIRI, OK GOOGLE like thingie for UBUNTU?
[15:17] <ovrlfw0x> meles,
[15:19] <Adastra> I got 1 question , it is probably a newbie one,,,
[15:19] <ovrlfw0x> ada
[15:19] <ovrlfw0x> Adastra,
[15:19] <ovrlfw0x> i got 2 answers for you ?
[15:19] <ovrlfw0x> your*
[15:20] <ppf> !ask Adastra
[15:20] <ppf> !ask | Adastra
[15:20] <ovrlfw0x> ppf = public provident fund
[15:20] <younder> We love thos we can actually answer them mstof the ime.
[15:20] <Adastra> Ok thanks for info
[15:20] <ovrlfw0x> is there any CORTANA, SIRI, OK GOOGLE like thingie for UBUNTU?
[15:21] <ducasse> ovrlfw0x: no, there isn't.
[15:21] <ovrlfw0x> sad but why?
[15:21] <ovrlfw0x> ducasse ducati
[15:22] <Thinkey> ducasse http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html says here testers needed - I gather that's why correct?
[15:22] <vimpulse> ovrlfw0x:  Because it would cost too much to develop, and there are no rich donors who invested the money yet.
[15:22] <ppf> ovrlfw0x: there is jasper
[15:22] <ducasse> Thinkey: probably, but that information is at times old.
[15:23] <Thinkey> guess I'll buy a 2nd usb printer cable and use the scanner locally instead :) no biggie
[15:23] <Thinkey> thanks for the help :)
[15:24] <hron84> is there anyone with knowledge about DEB package creation?
[15:24] <hron84> debian/ubuntu i really do not care.
[15:30] <djvdorp> I am learning it myself, but stumbled upon this link that might be useful: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976
[15:30] <djvdorp> that was @hron84 :)
[15:31] <djvdorp> also, this one is really valuable: https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/debian-packaging.html
[15:32] <djvdorp> and https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/packaging-tutorial/packaging-tutorial.en.pdf but a bit old
[15:32] <hron84> djvdorp: thanks but i know the basics. I am stuck on a very specific error.
[15:32] <djvdorp> @hron84: sorry, I did not know, maybe you could share the specific error here?
[15:34] <ANonyy> is there any terminal command in ubuntu to change fan speed ?
[15:39] <centrx> Any idea on how to install Ubuntu using a Knoppix Boot CD?
[15:39] <NoImNotNineVolt> wat
[15:40] <NoImNotNineVolt> well, you boot to knoppix, then download an ubuntu iso, burn that to a cd, and boot from that next time.
[15:40] <centrx> I mean without burning a CD
[15:40] <NoImNotNineVolt> write to a bootable usb device?
[15:40] <genii> dd iit to a USB nstick then
[15:41] <c-pin> hey so i have a compaq presario cq57 and the caps lock worko on the built-in keyboard but the led doesnt shine. the wifi led does, though.
[15:41] <centrx> I guess I could try that, if Knoppix has cd burning
[15:41] <c-pin> should i care
[15:43] <donofrio> centrx, knoppix is "demo linuix" ubuntu is real linux
[15:43] <centrx> right
[15:43] <centrx> I just don't have a CD burner or a USB key at the moment
[15:44] <centrx> There is the way of putting the Ubuntu ISO on a separate partition, but that looks complicated and time-consuming
[15:44] <donofrio> centrx, well you need to walk to libray or something and reburn a ubuntu boot dvd
[15:44] <ppf> everything is more time consuming than plugging in a usb stick
[15:45] <centrx> :(
[15:45] <centrx> I thought...with the Power of the INTERNET!
[15:45] <ppf> if ther physically is no alternative medium available, you can boot the iso in a virtual machine (which i assume you can get for knoppix?)
[15:47] <ducasse> centrx: you could manually partition etc and then install with debootstrap before setting up grub, but it's a hassle
[15:48] <centrx> ok I'll find another way
[15:48] <centrx> Thank you all
[15:51] <bmomjian> I have Ubuntu 12.04 with the newest supported version of Chrome Version 37.0.2062.120 Ubuntu 12.04 (281580).  Google Cast is saying "Chrome is out of date" and will not enable casting.  What are my options to get this working?
[15:52] <bmomjian> sorry, I am using Chromium, not Chrome.
[15:52] <bmomjian> but the message is saying "Chrome is out of date" of course.
[15:52] <oliver__> hey
[15:52] <tayirvadai_> hi i am trying to see if i can set the log level of Xorg to 7 to understand how things work
[15:52] <tayirvadai_> any suggestions?
[15:52] <furkan_> bitches
[15:53] <furkan_> wtf
[15:53] <furkan_> is there anyone?
[15:53] <furkan_> is there anyone?
[15:53] <furkan_> is there anyone?
[15:53] <furkan_> is there anyone?
[15:53] <NoImNotNineVolt> ha.
[15:53] <hron84> is here anyone with serious deb package building knowledge?
[15:54] <NoImNotNineVolt> i've done some packaging work.
[15:54] <NoImNotNineVolt> what do you need help with?
[15:54] <hron84> NoImNotNineVolt: what this error message means "dpkg-genchanges: error: binary build with no binary artifacts found; cannot distribute"?
[15:54] <hron84> first, i want the meaning, then i will share my real problem.
[15:55] <NoImNotNineVolt> i've never seen that one.
[15:55] <bmomjian> Ah, I see there is a Chromium channel, I will try there.
[15:55] <hron84> NoImNotNineVolt: okay, i have these sources (i only uploaded relevant parts, but i will do more if you need them) https://gist.github.com/hron84/dc1e009852e23e3357527ceefefa77cb <= this package cannot built.
[15:55] <Not_a_Robot> thank you hateball
[15:55] <hron84> It is a binary package from provided binaries
[15:57] <huey> hello
[15:58] <Dr_Coke> Hi huey
[15:58] <NoImNotNineVolt> where are you getting that error from?
[15:58] <Dr_Coke> :)
[15:58] <younder> ubottu, !ask
[15:58] <NoImNotNineVolt> dpkg-buildpackage?
[15:58] <Dr_Coke> !patience
[15:58] <huey> whats good Dr
[15:59] <huey> i am new at this chat thing
[15:59] <huey> hope it will be fun
[15:59] <Dr_Coke> well it's 2:59am tuesday morning
[15:59] <Dr_Coke> and I can't sleep
[16:00] <Dr_Coke> huey it can be fun when people are nice
[16:00] <huey> mhh this side it is 18h00
[16:00] <huey> whats keeping you awake?
[16:00] <NoImNotNineVolt> hron84: i've never seen dpkg-buildpackage yield an error like that, sorry.
[16:00] <huey> insomniac?
[16:00] <NoImNotNineVolt> web search doesn't help either. good luck!
[16:00] <hron84> NoImNotNineVolt: could you check the source? Do you see anything that i miss?
[16:01] <Dr_Coke> I don't know what's keeping me awake
[16:01] <Dr_Coke> actually
[16:06] <galataranator> Then we want to adjust the layout and coloring. This will tweak the colors Weechat uses to make it easier to see with solarized, as well as place a list of all buffers at the top of the screen:
[16:06] <galataranator> NOTE FROM BEN (2016-02-21): Reader WubTheCaptain wrote in and provided details as to what the following line does. It re-creates the ?buffers? bar that buffers.pl makes when you install it. New users will not need to do this but it?s worth doing just in case.
[16:06] <galataranator> If you have installed buffers.pl before and have reset your weechat config, you need to run this. So for instance if you ?cleared? your config to start again with this guide, you need to run this. You should run it anyway, because it does not do any harm and does not make any changes if the bar already exists.
[16:06] <galataranator> Now we are going to tweak the buffer and buffer list. We want to merge the server buffers in to one to take up less of our precious screen space (you can switch between them with ctrl-x). Then we want to hide any channels from the buffer list that haven?t had activity in 10 minutes or less to keep the clutter down.
[16:06] <galataranator> Now some filter tweaks to make IRC less annoying. I only care about a channel if someone is talking, not if someone is coming or going, so the first two commands make it so that joins and parts don?t count as ?activity? on a channel. The next two commands hide joins/parts from users that haven?t spoken recently (default is 5 minutes). You can toggle this with ctrl-=. This makes busy channels MUCH more
[16:07] <galataranator> bearable.
[16:07] <Dr_Coke> !patience
[16:07] <Dr_Coke> !patience
[16:13] <asad_> Is there a program similar to 'which' that I can use to find the full path of a directory?
[16:18] <younder> asad_, which gives you the full path
[16:18] <ppf> asad_: to which directory?
[16:18] <ppf> which looks up a binary in your PATH
[16:19] <younder> Do you mean the directory without the filename
[16:20] <ducasse> asad_: something like 'dirname'?
[16:24] <youssoupha> hi
[16:25] <youssoupha> i've some problme with my virtualbox!
[16:26] <youssoupha> somebody can help me?
[16:26] <younder> whats the problem?
[16:28] <youssoupha> this alarm echec de la creation de l'objet com de virtualbox!
[16:30] <King_Hual> !french
[16:30] <youssoupha> can i send you all the message
[16:31] <BluesKaj> !paste | youssoupha
[16:36] <jak__> Morning, all.
[16:36] <tayirvadai_> any help on changing the xorg loglevel settings. Tried xorg -logverbose and startx -- -logverbose 6 and nothing worked
[16:37] <jak__> I have a question. How can I transafer musics into my Ipod nano gen7 ?
[16:37] <jak__> May anyone help me?
[16:43] <teward> jak__: *maybe* with Rhythmbox, Banshee, Amarok, or gtkpod.  But it might not work if your libimobiledevice (the library for Apple product support) is outdated.
[16:44] <OerHeks> read http://askubuntu.com/questions/799414/how-to-move-files-from-ubuntu-to-iphone >> and >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone
[16:44] <ppf> i dd'ed an ubuntu install (precise) onto an usb stick.
[16:44] <OerHeks> teward +1
[16:44] <ppf> however, it won'd boot, because there's no /dev/sda1, which is on the kernel commandline
[16:45] <teward> ?
[16:45] <teward> oh.
[16:45] <teward> thanks OerHeks
[16:45] <jak__> Thanks guys
[16:45] <fn2> ppf, do you have another os installed and does you computer use uefi?
[16:49] <ppf> no on both accounts
[16:49] <jak__> I've tried with rhythmbox I didn't work. the files seem to be copied to the device but I can find them neither in the play list nor  in the Podcast list.
[16:50] <jak__> ** can't
[16:50] <OerHeks> Apple wants to be a rebel, well known issue
[16:50] <jak__> yeah
[16:51] <jak__> I'm looking for a new mp3 player now.
[16:51] <OerHeks> manage it with itunes, much saver, but that does not run on linux/virtualbox
[16:52] <OerHeks> "maybe" there will be a itunes snap package in the future..
[16:52] <jak__> sick of Ipod. I have to wait until tomorrow and got using my office pc though.
[16:53] <bosi> Hey guys, is there an easy way to create a bootable USB for Win XP from Ubuntu 14.04? Tried WinUSB and apparently it doesn't work for XP.
[16:54] <OerHeks> bosi, that will not work, xp.
[16:56] <bosi> OerHeks, so what should I do? It is so easy to do it from Rufus on Windows, but I do not have a pc with windows around...
[16:57] <ppf> so, fn2, thoughts?
[16:57] <jak__> How about unetbootin?
[16:58] <bosi> jak__, last time I tried Unetbootin wouldn't accept windows isos... did they change it?
[16:58] <BluesKaj> bosi, don't think it's possible to create a bootable windows OS on a USB
[16:58] <OerHeks> bosi, i think it is easy, but xp will not work, ask in ##windows
[16:59] <OerHeks> maybe etcher can do newer windows version 7/8/10 .. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/etcher-usb-image-burner-tool-linux-open-source
[16:59] <jak__> Well, I did follow this vdeo clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09i6ERj5cik
[16:59] <jak__> and it works
[17:00] <OerHeks> that is about 7, not xp
[17:00] <ubuntu-mate> hi i am newbie
[17:01] <jak__> oh, sorry.
[17:01] <jak__> ubuntu-mate, Hi i am a newbie, too.
[17:01] <wabbits> ubuntu-mate do you have a question?
[17:01] <bosi> jak__, I think I've tried this before, it did not go through, it would crash halfway through in Unetbootin, I'll try again tho. Thanks!
[17:01] <jak__> I've been using ubuntu for almost 6 months.
[17:02] <ubuntu-mate> i have nor a questions now
[17:03] <ubuntu-mate> i am very undecided right now
[17:03] <ubuntu-mate> go to linux from windows 10
[17:03] <ubuntu-mate> my backup ready
[17:10] <jak__> I'mma off to bed now. Good night from thailand.
[17:13] <wabbits> ubuntu-mate got it, you are just hanging around to see if you can learn something. :)
[17:23] <icemole> He-hey boys
[17:23] <icemole> Oh well I guess this is a serious channel, I will get going then, but could you recommend some channel to chat and stuff?
[17:25] <younder> icemole, #smalltalk
[17:30] <ubi_> hallo
[17:30] <ubi_> ich bins
[17:46] <mint> Hello, I am using feren os
[17:47] <reisio> mint: gj
[17:48] <mint> Hi reisio
[17:48] <eumel> hi
[17:48] <Kia> hi
[17:49] <Kia> How to install Gnumeric localization?
[17:49] <mint> did anyone try Feren OS Lucid ??
[17:50] <tgm4883> mint: wrong channel
[17:50] <Kia> Птгьукшс кг дщсфдшяфешщт
[17:50] <Kia> Gnumeric ru localization
[17:50] <genii> mint: Perhaps enquire in ##linux  ..this channel is specifically for Ubuntu support.
[17:51] <mint> ok, thanks for the info
[17:52] <Kia> Any here?
[17:53] <Kia> Gnumeric ru localization
[17:55] <milad> hi
[17:56] <milad> hiiiiiiiii
[17:56] <tgm4883> !ru | kia you might try here if nobody knows
[17:59] <jim> how do you find out what versions of a package there are in each different version of ubuntu?
[17:59] <reisio> jim: packages.ubuntu.com would work
[17:59] <nacc> jim: rmadison is one way; packages.ubuntu.com also works
[18:00] <Pici> jim: if you want a command line tool, there is rmadison.
[18:00] <jim> thanks all
[18:00] <reisio> QA ftw https://qa.debian.org/madison.php
[18:05] <milad> hi
[18:06] <terribadguy> hello
[18:10] <dStruct> Anyone using Terminator?  I'm trying to open multiple windows from a single line and I'm failing at it
[18:10] <reisio> multiple terminators?
[18:10] <dStruct> reisio: scary right?
[18:11] <reisio> heh
[18:11] <reisio> why do you want to do that? Isn't the point of terminator that you have one that's hidden when disused?
[18:11] <dStruct> reisio: well the Gnome guys were kind enough to completely remove the --title option because you know that's gonna cut down on the code/complexity 10000 fold, so I had to switch
[18:12] <reisio> well it'll cut down on the number of end users, anyway :p
[18:12] <dStruct> reisio: I run 15 serial terminals for control and monitoring purposes, and it's really helpful to have the title set custom so I know where I'm at
[18:12] <reisio> yes, titles are useful, you will get no argument from me :p
[18:12] <dStruct> reisio: they lost me as a user that's for sure, and I've been a long time supporter/user of Gnome stuff
[18:12] <dStruct> mainframe problems :D
[18:12] <reisio> yup, they didn't make it clear that their only goal was to duplicate macOS in all its silliness
[18:13] <reisio> and yet their leader abandoned the project and went back to macOS :p
[18:13] <dStruct> reisio: if all the terminals didn't look identical it wouldn't be so much of an issue
[18:13] <reisio> so you're trying to run multiple terminators right now by doing what?
[18:14] <dStruct> reisio: well I can successfully use a custom .desktop icon file to launch with right click and selecting which terminal I want, but I'd like to set the Exec= line to launch multiple windows with a single click
[18:14] <dStruct> reisio: rather then right click, click a terminal, go back right click, click another one and so on
[18:14] <reisio> dStruct: oh
[18:15] <reisio> dStruct: terminator -foo -bar &\nterminator -baz -qux &\n ?
[18:15] <reisio> etc.
[18:15] <dStruct> reisio: gnome-terminal had the --window option so I just fired a single gnome-terminal --window this --window that, etc
[18:15] <reisio> or if you wanted to be less linear (not necessarily meritorious), you could pipe each line to parallel
[18:15] <dStruct> reisio: I wish, I tried terminator --options&terminator etc tried ; tried & with a space on it, nothing, I get the last command on the line only
[18:16] <reisio> can I see what you tried?
[18:16] <reisio> vpaste.net
[18:16] <dStruct> reisio: one sec it's on another box
[18:16] <reisio> also xfce4-terminal might be a closer step to gnome-terminal than terminator <shrug>
[18:18] <thrmo> how to setup a killswitch for openvpn?
[18:18] <dStruct> reisio: Exec=terminator --role "01" --profile=terminal --geometry=644x1000 -T "SEL 32/67 Terminal (Node A)" -e "dgrp_connect 01"&terminator --role "05" --profile=terminal --geometry=644x1000 -T "Motorola Controller (CPU0, Slot 0, Port 1)" -e "dgrp_connect 05"
[18:19] <dStruct> reisio: same line used to right click launch from a [Desktop Action] in the .desktop file
[18:20] <reisio> dStruct: oh right
[18:21] <reisio> dStruct: you'd want to call a shell script from the desktop file
[18:21] <reisio> which in turn calls 'terminator &\nterminator &\n...etc.'
[18:21] <dStruct> reisio: I thought about doing that but it seemed like overkill, I wonder if I tried &&
[18:21] <reisio> yeah unfortunately, freedesktop files aren't ordinary shell scripts
[18:21] <dStruct> reisio: so just build a dumb shell script and call it from exec= and have it fire all the terminals off then
[18:21] <reisio> which makes them inferior
[18:22] <reisio> that's probably what I'd do
[18:22] <dStruct> how not to do it 101, lol, but if it works it works
[18:22] <reisio> ~/.bin/t-1000
[18:22] <dStruct> haha right?
[18:23] <dStruct> reisio: I run an ancient SEL 32/67 mainframe, also known as a Gould or Encore system, fun stuff
[18:23] <reisio> cool names, eben
[18:24] <reisio> it's just easier to hack fixes with sh than to fix every last bit of software you use, is all :p
[18:24] <reisio> till you reach the singularity, anyway
[18:24] <dStruct> reisio: thanks for the assist
[18:25] <reisio> give a yell if it doesn't work out
[18:25] <thrmo> how to setup a killswitch for openvpn?
[18:26] <dStruct> thrmo: what do you mean by killswitch, like an alias command ovpn_kill and pkill -9 openvpn?
[18:26] <dStruct> reisio: thanks
[18:27] <thrmo> dStruct some sort of config that would kill all connections unless they are going thru vpn tunnel
[18:27] <dStruct> thrmo: I would get fancy and buy the biggest red button I could find, put it on my desktop with an equally obnoxious sign stating it's a OpenVPN kill switch, and run it to the ring indicator on a com port, a little kermit action and boom kill switch
[18:28] <dStruct> thrmo: so you just want your openvpn server to hand the clients a default gateway then, done
[18:29] <dStruct> thrmo: the line I believe you're looking for is, push "redirect-gateway def1 bypass-dhcp" in the server.cfg that's how I do it
[18:30] <thrmo> ok thanks
[18:30] <dStruct> thrmo: sure thing, it should be in the example server.conf as well (not server.cfg btw)
[18:35] <gargsms> I have been using Ubuntu 16.04LTS on this machine http://www.amazon.in/Lenovo-80NT00PAIN-15-6-inch-i7-6500U-Graphics/dp/B01B1AD32E/ for quite some tim.
[18:35] <gargsms> It has a dedicated graphics unit AMD Radeon R7 M360 with 4GB memory, but it never showed up in the system settings. I always get the Intel chip as the graphics processer.
[18:35] <gargsms> $ lspci -nn | grep VGA # Intel Corporation HD Graphics 520 [8086:1916]
[18:35] <reisio> and you'd like to use the radeon?
[18:35] <gargsms> I know amdgpu drivers in 16.04 do not support all the Radeon cards as of now, but I was hell bent on trying to make it work.
[18:35] <gargsms> Found somewhere that it was related to outdated Linux Kernel. I was on 4.4.0-47-generic, so I updated to 4.6-*. I had kernel panics then, so I just reverted back to the previous kernel.
[18:35] <gargsms> Then I tried with 4.8.6 stable release. The kernel worked, but still the same card. So I compiled the latest mesa drivers and installed.
[18:35] <gargsms> Since I did that, I am stuck at the login screen. It never starts the X server.
[18:35] <gargsms> Yes, reisio
[18:36] <gargsms> I think I have screwed the system quite badly now.
[18:37] <gargsms> There are errors in my syslog in the startup.
[18:37] <gargsms> [drm] PCIE GART of 4096M enabled (table at 0x0000000000040000)
[18:37] <gargsms> [drm:gfx_v8_0_hw_init [amdgpu]] *ERROR* amdgpu: cp failed to lock ring (-2)
[18:37] <gargsms> [drm:gfx_v8_0_ring_test_ring [amdgpu]] *ERROR* amdgpu: cp failed to lock ring 0 (-2)
[18:37] <gargsms> [drm:amdgpu_resume [amdgpu]] *ERROR* resume 4 failed -2
[18:37] <gargsms> [drm:amdgpu_resume_kms [amdgpu]] *ERROR* amdgpu_resume failed (-2)
[18:39] <vfw> gargsms: You are stuck at the login screen and you are sure it is because of a GPU driver?
[18:39] <gargsms> The whole thing is here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23512842/ My bad. I shouldn't have flooded the channel
[18:40] <gargsms> vfw, seems likely.
[18:40] <Crystrax> hello i am trying to create a live usb kali linux        with dd if  command    he cant regnonize files    but i have copy paste the iso name     did i make my command badly or
[18:40] <Crystrax> dd if=kali-linux-2016.2-amd64.iso\ of=/dev/sdb bs=512k
[18:40] <vfw> gargsms: Not to me.  If you got as far as the login screen, that would tell me that the wm is the problem.
[18:41] <Crystrax> ok
[18:41] <gargsms> vfw, any way I can diagnose the issue?
[18:42] <vfw> gargsms: Ctrl-Alt-F6, login and start and stop lightdm and watch what happens.
[18:42] <dStruct> Crystrax: there's a #kali-linux channel that may help you better, essentially you want to download the image from the website and checksum the file to make sure it's good, then follow the Kali dd instructions
[18:42] <vfw> gargsms: systemctl stop lightdm  and  systemctl start lightdm
[18:42] <gargsms> Crystrax, try removing the \ at the end of file name. Also, use full path if possible
[18:43] <Crystrax> i have dpownload from the torrebt of there site
[18:43] <dStruct> gargsms: did you try AMD's drivers?  I don't know AMD, but I know nVidia stuff
[18:43] <Crystrax> thank il right away in there chan
[18:43] <vfw> gargsms: When you start it, you will have to go back to tty6 again because you will be shifted to tty7
[18:44] <ktwo> Hi, is there some advanced controlpanel which is not webbased (kinda like webmin, but native GUI)
[18:44] <reisio> 'advanced'? No
[18:44] <dStruct> ktwo: control panel for what?
[18:44] <reisio> GUI things are always more for tourists, after all
[18:44] <reisio> but there are control panels, yes
[18:45] <gargsms> vfw, same errors. I have been working from tty as the last resort.
[18:45] <gargsms> *for a long time
[18:45] <vfw> gargsms: did you dpkg-reconfigure it?
[18:45] <ktwo> yes, but sometimes it is helpful to have some global overview, for example of the services running, start stop, all users of the system, drives stuff like that
[18:45] <koroso> hey all
[18:45] <reisio> the reason webmin et al. are webUIs is because it's a huge waste of time & a huge security issue to have a full desktop on a server
[18:45] <reisio> of course webmin itself is still an insecure POS, but whatevs
[18:46] <gargsms> Yes, I tried that already. I will retry it hoping that it makes any difference this time
[18:46] <vfw> gargsms: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:47] <gargsms> No success. Same errors. `Failed to lock ring` `failed to run job`
[18:47] <gargsms> I am on 16.04LTS, so dist-upgrade would not give me anything
[18:47] <tgm4883> ktwo: global overview? Sounds like a job for monitoring, not a web/gui config utility
[18:47] <Crystrax> cant join kali linux cause i need to identified with service what that ?
[18:47] <dStruct> reisio: lol, I just managed to SIGSEGV unity-scope-loader hah
[18:47] <tgm4883> !identify | Crystrax
[18:47] <younder> gargsms, stay with 10.04
[18:47] <younder> gargsms, stay with 10404
[18:48] <reisio> dStruct: weee
[18:48] <reisio> dStruct: Xfce man, be happy
[18:48] <Crystrax> k
[18:48] <ktwo> tgm4883, well id like to have the possibility to tweak and change things as well without knowing each command by heart^^
[18:48] <dStruct> reisio: I may do just that, sucks because I just switched all these scripts over from gnome-terminal to terminator format, lame!
[18:48] <tgm4883> ktwo: is this a dev or production server?
[18:48] <gargsms> younder, I could have, I wish. But I have a different machine with 14.04 as well, where I couldn't get the AMD GPU to work as well. Not with fglrx or the AMD drivers
[18:49] <dStruct> ktwo: you could always build a system, maybe PHP and/or HTML5, make it do exactly what you want
[18:49] <ktwo> tgm4883, neither, its a "smart-home" server
[18:49] <tgm4883> ktwo: so it's not accessible from the internet?
[18:49] <gargsms> Is there some kind of log of the installed components in Ubuntu? I guess if I revert back my mesa installation (which I compiled from source), I could have some insight into this
[18:49] <ktwo> not directly, only via ssh tunnel
[18:51] <tgm4883> ktwo: well the only gui config you're going to get is either installing some web utility to do it or you could install a desktop environment. I wouldn't suggest that for a public facing server, but if it's only accessible via SSH tunnel that should be fine
[18:51] <dStruct> gargsms: any lists such as dpkg show packages wouldn't include anything you compiled from source and installed manually, you may check if the manually compiled stuff has a make uninstall function
[18:51] <vfw> gargsms: lsb_release -a |& nc termbin.com 9999
[18:52] <younder> gargsms, When I change a major version, that is a LTS, I do a full reinstall. That is after several unfortunate attempts at a distribution-upgrade.
[18:52] <vfw> gargsms: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |nc termbin.com 9999
[18:52] <tgm4883> ktwo: I'm not aware of any other gui utilities that would do that, the reason would be that they may not exist (not much demand for them). People that are setting up production facing webservers generally want no GUI
[18:52] <vfw> gargsms: Send us resulting URLs
[18:52] <gargsms> younder, this is a clean install
[18:52] <gargsms> 16.04 on a fresh machine.
[18:53] <reisio> ktwo: ask #centos; their "server" installs like GUI nonsense
[18:53] <ktwo> tgm4883, theres a desktop env. already installed, but i didnt find anything similar to webmin :/ only various guis for each service , like one for systemd, one for samba, etc etc. but not one which offers a full set. Probably webmin is the still what i want^^ I just was searching for something different, especially because the package isnt updated regularily for my distro
[18:53] <younder> gargsms, OK, I had to fight for a bit, but I got it to work
[18:53] <gargsms> vfw, lsb_release -a  => http://termbin.com/qxeh
[18:53] <tgm4883> reisio: That would be news to me and all my centos server installs at work
[18:54] <tgm4883> ktwo: what distro is that?
[18:54] <ktwo> its ubuntu mate for odroid c2 (arm64)
[18:54] <tgm4883> ah
[18:54] <gargsms> vfw, Xorg.0.log => http://termbin.com/ao6g
[18:54] <dStruct> ktwo: you could also build a simple GTK app, it's pretty easy to do
[18:55] <ktwo> dStruct, by the time i checked all the commands to implement all the features, i probably dont need it anymore and can use the CLI :D
[18:56] <ktwo> Generally i have the feeling that it is almost impossible to manage a linux server without having to google things. I never had that feeling on windows :<
[18:56] <reisio> tgm4883: that is disturbing
[18:56] <reisio> but so is using CentOS at all, so :p
[18:58] <dStruct> ktwo: it's possible when you know linux, there's just more to know then winblows.  it can take years to become familiar with where things are, and the locations and formats of some things vary from linux distro to distro
[19:00] <ktwo> dStruct, yea, but i have the feeling it could be made much better if the desktop environments came with more tools, like the ones found on Windows
[19:01] <dStruct> ktwo: did you know MacOS Server comes with exactly that, a nice GUI management interface for all things server, it has it's limitations however compared to linux
[19:01] <vfw> gargsms: lspci |grep -i vga
[19:01] <ktwo> yea well it would be a start, i guess that is proprietary stuff right? not a package i could use on ubuntu
[19:02] <dStruct> ktwo: I've been very happy with my $600 mac mini server at home, fusion ssd drive, boots in 13 seconds, quad intel i7, 16gb of ram, not bad for the price
[19:02] <reisio> dStruct: right it's a joke :D
[19:02] <gargsms> vfw, $ lspci -nn | grep VGA # VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 520 [8086:1916]
[19:03] <reisio> best not to confuse hardware and software
[19:03] <reisio> seriously, Red Hat/CentOS comes with GUI stuff for clown administrators
[19:03] <dStruct> reisio: it is, if you need a real server, for me I use it as a media center type server directly on my TV, but it's not a true server per say
[19:03] <reisio> ask them what they're called, you can use them on any dist
[19:03] <ktwo> dStruct, interesting, i'll consider it for the future, and it would also be a huge hw-upgrade. Is it fanless?
[19:03] <reisio> fanless ftw
[19:03] <reisio> boo fans
[19:03] <dStruct> ktwo: it has a single tiny fan inside that I never hear even when pushing it hard graphically
[19:04] <vfw> gargsms: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  #What was result? Any errors?
[19:05] <jsjdfas> I am trying to learn stuff but am a real noob so keep that in mind...I was trying to bring wifi up and down in the terminal and when I do "ifconfig wlp4s0 down" I get "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not permitted"
[19:05] <vfw> gargsms: lsmod |& nc termbin.com 9999
[19:06] <jsjdfas> I have googled but most results seem to be a different problem and I don't understand a lot of the replies
[19:06] <vfw> jsjdfas: sudo ifup ifdown
[19:06] <jsjdfas> vfw: what is that doing exactly?
[19:06] <gargsms> vfw, http://termbin.com/8acw
[19:06] <jsjdfas> do I have to select wlp4s0 also?
[19:07] <gargsms> jsjdfas, yes. It brings down the interface and turns it back up
[19:08] <jsjdfas> gargsms: sorry I was just trying to udnerstand exactly what to type. Is it "sudo ifup wlp4s0"?
[19:08] <gargsms> That should do it
[19:08] <nacc> !sudo | jsjdfas
[19:08] <jsjdfas> so is the ifconfig up and down old ways that for some reason doesnt work in 16.04?
[19:09] <vfw> jsjdfas: Use sudo.  sudo ifconfig <name-here> up or down
[19:10] <jsjdfas> vfw I tried that and got another error...let me try again to see what it was
[19:11] <vfw> jsjdfas: Tell us the error.
[19:11] <vfw> gargsms: What errors do you get from upgrading?
[19:11] <vfw> gargsms: Any errors?
[19:12] <gargsms> I am likely that I am not going to get any errors. I just upgraded everything a day or so before. And currently I am not on a good connection
[19:12] <vfw> gargsms: sudo apt-get -f install
[19:13] <gargsms> Does dist-upgrade do anything if you are on the latest LTS?
[19:13] <vfw> gargsms: Yes, it does.  Do it.  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:13] <reisio> these are questions a person without a backup system asks
[19:13] <vfw> gargsms: Why is it you do not have a good connection? What is wrong with your network connection?
[19:14] <avioni> hello.  i keep receiving this error using apt-get - E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[19:14] <gargsms> Capped to 512kbps. It would take a while
[19:14] <vfw> gargsms: Do it
[19:15] <vfw> gargsms: Tell us if you get errors or if you get success.
[19:15] <gargsms> vfw, if there is even a remote chance of me losing data, then let me have a full system backup first. There isn't much data in this system
[19:15] <vfw> gargsms: Why do you think you will loose data?
[19:15] <jsjdfas_> So "sudo ifconfig wlp4s0 down" worked this time to disconnect me...but "ifconfig wlp4s0 up" wouldn't bring it back up. The panel applet still showed connected and the only way I could get back online is to disconnect there and reconnect there.
[19:16] <jsjdfas_> what did I do wrong?
[19:16] <gargsms> I was asking. :/
[19:16] <hpvs17e> avioni,  make sure you don't have ubuntu software center, synaptics or other package manager open
[19:16] <tgm4883> jsjdfas_: did you use sudo with the up command?
[19:16] <vfw> gargsms: You should *always* have backups anyway.  If you don't take care of it and come back when your done.
[19:16] <jsjdfas_> tgm4883: yes
[19:16] <vfw> !dist-upgrade | gargsms
[19:16] <jsjdfas_> and the first time I tried down that way I got some error I failed to write down
[19:17] <jsjdfas_> but the second time it clearly worked...was there supposed to be some output? After the password was entered it just gave me the user promt again and I had to check to see if I was down
[19:18] <vfw> gargsms: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  #Tell us if you encounter success or if you get errors.
[19:18] <gargsms> vfw, I have a quite old backup. I will just take a new one ASAP
[19:19] <vfw> gargsms: What makes you think you'll loose data if you do updates?  Is there some other problem you are not telling us?
[19:19] <avioni> hpvs17e:  I tried again and the error is gone.  Now it says:  N: Ignoring file '20auto-upgrades.ucf-dist' in directory '/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
[19:20] <gargsms> vfw, I have no other issues. But it is always better to have a backup.
[19:20] <vfw> gargsms: at any rate, come back when you are ready to try and fix your problem(s).
[19:20] <tgm4883> gargsms: I think you are misunderstanding. dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade from one distribution version to another distribution version. It simply updates packages (the same way that apt-get update) does, except it also installs any new dependencies
[19:21] <tgm4883> gargsms: it's worth noting that apt-get is the old way of doing things, and we just do 'apt update' or 'apt full-upgrade' now
[19:21] <vfw> tgm4883: And new kernel if needed
[19:21] <gargsms> vfw, tgm4883 I will try that then. I just never did a dist-upgrade before.
[19:21] <tgm4883> vfw: that was covered under the "new dependencies"
[19:21] <gargsms> Even I have been using apt for long
[19:21] <jsjdfas_> tgm4883: on that note...if you just want to keep updated what should you do and how often? upgrade or dist-upgrade? I read dist-upgrade can break some things?
[19:22] <jsjdfas_> ive been doing update and upgrade every few days
[19:22] <gargsms> Same here. update, upgrade works just fine. Or maybe I never broke my system badly enough
[19:22] <vfw> as tgm4883 points out, the function of dist-upgrade has changed
[19:23] <tgm4883> jsjdfas_: you should do 'apt upgrade'. dist-upgrade has the possibility of breaking things, but only if you've put yourself in a weird state or have subscribed to PPAs that cause breakages
[19:23] <tgm4883> vfw: has it changed? It's been the way it is for at least 10 years
[19:23] <jsjdfas_> tgm4883: thanks...also do you need to do autoclean or autoremove often or at all? what is the regular stuff you should do...just update and upgrade every day? week?
[19:24] <vfw> gargsms: do-release-upgrade now does what apt-get dist-upgrade once did.
[19:24] <vfw> tgm4883:      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^|
[19:24] <tgm4883> jsjdfas_: probably setup auto updates of security releases and then do a weekly upgrade
[19:25] <jsjdfas_> tgm4883: how do I set auto updates?
[19:25] <jsjdfas_> for security
[19:25] <jsjdfas_> is that a script or a setting? I am super new and havent gotten to a lot yet
[19:25] <tgm4883> vfw: dist-upgrade installs new dependencies, so unless it changed sometime before 7.04, then it's always been the same. It's just that way of upgrading to new releases (while possible) isn't recommended on ubuntu installs
[19:27] <gargsms> I *always* thought that it updated the distro. :/
[19:27] <vfw> tgm4883: I do not know exactly how long ago it changed, but I can tell you for sure that it has been a lot less than 10 years.
[19:27] <gargsms> Weird naming
[19:27] <younder> put bluntly, you might play russian roulette
[19:27] <vfw> gargsms: It did, (a few years ago).
[19:27] <younder> and these dist-upgrades offer aboutequal odds
[19:28] <tgm4883> vfw: it's been that way since I've been using it, which is 7.04. Perhaps you are thinking about the unsupported way of updating via changing your sources.list file to the new version
[19:28] <ducasse> gargsms: it's named that way because debian uses it for distribution upgrades
[19:29] <vfw> ducasse: Oh, really?  So it's still for distribution upgrade in Debian?
[19:29] <ducasse> vfw: yep.
[19:29] <tgm4883> it's worth noting that in the end, it both ways that we're talking about do the same thing. They both update packages to the new version
[19:29] <vfw> ducasse: So, apt is different in Debian?
[19:29] <tgm4883> jsjdfas_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates
[19:30] <jsjdfas_> tgm4883: thanks...also back to the netowrk stuff. Why would "sudo ifconfig wlp4s0 down" work but "up" wouldn;t?
[19:30] <jsjdfas_> tgm4883: I had to use the panel applet to go down and up
[19:30] <humble> hello guys
[19:31] <ducasse> vfw: no, things are just done differently. a huge part of do-release-upgrade on ubuntu is still dist-upgrade.
[19:31] <humble> i am having a little problem witch is frustrading for me .
[19:31] <dfffd> spelling?
[19:31] <humble> my mouse randomly times clicks on left down side the reciclebin. its a touch pad and i naver had this problemm with windows. can someone help me please?
[19:31] <tgm4883> jsjdfas_: IDK, I generally don't try doing it that way when using network manager. If I had to theorize, you pulled the network card out from under network manager and it didn't know that it was down yet. My guess is that you would be able to bring it back up if you waited long enough after bringing it down to bring it back up
[19:32] <tgm4883> jsjdfas_: basically, if you're using network manager, don't also manage it from the command line (of if you do want to manage it from the command line, do it properly)
[19:32] <jsjdfas_> Ah...I have these weird drop outs suddenly on 16.04 and messing with the applet then never helps. Only a system restart. I was trying to see if when that happened I could bring it back up with the CL
[19:33] <jsjdfas_> i was trying to figure out how to do it properly so I'd have options
[19:33] <tgm4883> jsjdfas_: well ripping things out from under NM isn't usually the right solution
[19:33] <jsjdfas_> I thought ifconfig up and down was bring nm up and down
[19:33] <tgm4883> jsjdfas_: if you're going to use network manager, then the proper way to manage it via the command line would be nmcli
[19:34] <tgm4883> but if you are saying that using the applet doesn't help in your case, I would assume that nmcli wouldn't help either
[19:34] <jsjdfas_> ok...so when I get one of those random disconnects that won't go back up with the applet what should I do? is restarting only option?
[19:35] <jsjdfas_> I have tried disabling and enabling wifi and networking in the applet in various combos...never helps to bring it back when this happens
[19:36] <jsjdfas_> these disconnects happen out of nowhere...randomly...no activity i can correlate with them..just suddenly a page wont load
[19:36] <tgm4883> jsjdfas_: would take some playing around with. I would try the services for network-manager and networking, or even investigate the rfkill command
[19:36] <ducasse> jsjdfas_: have you tried restarting the nm service?
[19:36] <jsjdfas_> ducasse: no....is that the nmcli up and down?
[19:37] <tgm4883> jsjdfas_: no, that would be "service network-manager restart"
[19:37] <jsjdfas_> when I googled the issue I get a bunch of stuff like this that doesn't solve the problem https://askubuntu.com/questions/653983/wifi-and-ethernet-keep-disconnecting
[19:38] <jsjdfas_> it didnt happen in 14.04 but happens often in 16.04
[19:38] <vfw> gargsms: If you are worried about getting away from LTS, just make sure that Prompt=lts is in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades. It should be the last line.  It should keep you from accidentally upgrading your system from 16.04 to 16.10
[19:38] <donofrio> jsjdfas_, I get that as well, all I can do is restartthen the interface works as expected
[19:38] <gargsms> restarting network-manager works for me
[19:38] <donofrio> gargsms, ah gonna have to try that
[19:38] <gargsms> vfw, Oh, I had that thing already configured when I had my GUI available from updates settings
[19:39] <jsjdfas_> gargsms: do you mean the "service network-manager restart" command tgm said?
[19:39] <gargsms> Yes
[19:39] <jsjdfas_> and what does nmcli up and down do?
[19:40] <jsjdfas_> the various ifup nmcli up and stuff have me confused
[19:40] <jsjdfas_> I dont quite understand what is doing what and what I need for what.
[19:41] <vfw> jsjdfas_: Read the man files.  man ifconfig  for instance.
[19:41] <nacc> jsjdfas_: nmcli is the cli interface to NetworkManager
[19:41] <jsjdfas_> vfw: I may be mentally slow because man files often confuse me more
[19:41] <nacc> jsjdfas_: ifup/ifconfig are all below network manager (and network manager is not necessarily aware of those changes)
[19:41] <jsjdfas_> nacc: ok so nmcli up and down are just connecting and disconnecting the nm from the terminal basically?
[19:41] <vfw> jsjdfas_: It is pretty clear.  down   This flag causes the driver for this interface to be shut down.
[19:42] <vfw> jsjdfas_: (as in ifconfig <iface-name-here> down
[19:42] <nacc> jsjdfas_: you are telling nm to bring up or take down an interface
[19:42] <nacc> jsjdfas_: just via the terminal, yes
[19:43] <jsjdfas_> nacc so nmcli up and down tells nm to bring the named interface up and down...and if and ifconfig are below that so what are they doing exactly?
[19:43] <nacc> jsjdfas_: they are reading /etc/network/interfaces to determine what the action to take means, iirc
[19:43] <vfw> jsjdfas_: if you get bogged down in detals (in man files), use search option.  (/serch-term-here)
[19:43] <gargsms> vfw, Turns out mobile data was faster than my WiFi today. Did dist-upgrade. I guess I would need to reboot now. No error, by the way
[19:43] <nacc> jsjdfas_: you don't need network-manager at all to use ifup
[19:43] <bctim> Hi, I'm having a  problem with booting ubuntu 14.04. I'm getting an error: "Kernal panic-not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" I've run a program that the boss sugested and it has created a log. This is that log http://paste2.org/WbLNCUHN. The problem happened when I was downloading a program that would create a DVD.
[19:44] <vfw> gargsms: Good
[19:44] <avioni> hello. i keep receiving the following apt-get error --- N: Ignoring file '20auto-upgrades.ucf-dist' in directory '/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
[19:44] <jsjdfas_> nacc: but it seemed according to another person that doing if and ifconfig can change things without nm knowing it and mess it up....is that correct?
[19:45] <gargsms> I hope this fixes stuff. I have been using the WWW with Lynx for a few days. :'(
[19:45] <nacc> jsjdfas_: yes, nm does not know you are using ifup or not. If you are using network-manager, *just* use network-manager (via GUI or CLI), imo
[19:45] <tgm4883> jsjdfas_: not mess it up, but it wouldn't know the current state of the device (and it was a working theory at that point :) )
[19:45] <ubuntu-mate> chname miguel
[19:45] <nacc> jsjdfas_: nm, ifconfig, if, ip, etc. are all ways to manipulate the networking state
[19:45] <jsjdfas_> tgm4883: I am just trying to understand sorry if it seemed debating
[19:46] <humble> my mouse randomly times clicks on left down side the reciclebin. its a touch pad and i naver had this problemm with windows. can someone help me please?
[19:46] <nacc> jsjdfas_: there is no guarantee that what one tool does is necessarily reflected in another tool (the lower level ones tend to be pretty isolated and work ok together, though). But NM is a rather big stack of state (and also uses its own configuration space separate from what the lower-level tools do)
[19:46] <lucidguy> Ok Unity users, what do you do with apps that use the systray now?
[19:46] <jsjdfas_> nacc: so in the case of the 16.04 sudden drop outs that only a restart ever seems to work for...and changing the networking and wifi applet settings doesnt' help...what commands are best to try and bring it back up?
[19:47] <jsjdfas_> maybe I should back up sorry...when I enable and disable wifi or networking in the applet what command is that equivalent to? ifconfig or nmcli?
[19:47] <gargsms> vfw, Nothing. Same thing happening
[19:47] <tgm4883> lucidguy: keep using them? I'm not sure I understand the question
[19:47] <vfw> avioni: You may only need to remove that file.  What is the date on it?
[19:48] <vfw> gargsms: So you did:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[19:48] <gargsms> Yes
[19:48] <nacc> jsjdfas_: anything you do in the NM applet should be directly reproducible with nmcli as well -- but what the applet does is not necessarily invoking any underlying commands (it is its own program). You can probably do the same things using the cli tools (like ifup), but nm is not using htose.
[19:48] <vfw> Ok, good.
[19:48] <vfw> gargsms: Just a minute.
[19:48] <nacc> jsjdfas_: the best thing to do, is determine *why* your network is dropping out
[19:48] <lucidguy> tgm4883: Pidgin and Davmail in the past would leave a systray icon.  Unity no longer has a systray, how am I supposed to interact with these applications now?
[19:49] <vfw> gargsms: lsmod |& nc termbin.com 9999
[19:49] <jsjdfas_> nacc: ok I just wanted to understand what level the applet was working at....so changing applet settings to enable or disable etc doesn't help once the drop out occurs...so that means I need to go higher right?
[19:49] <avioni> vfw: Feb 18  2016
[19:49] <tgm4883> lucidguy: are they not showing up? I'm currently looking at 4 icons that are from applications in my systray (chrome, hangouts, slack, and reminna)
[19:49] <nacc> jsjdfas_: there isn't any higher than NM, generally
[19:50] <nacc> jsjdfas_: no, you need to figure out *why* (as i just said) your network is dropping out
[19:50] <jsjdfas_> and I dont know why or how to find out why the dropout occurs...it seems fairly common in 16.04 but no real permanent solutions online...only a system restart fixes it for however long until the next time
[19:50] <vfw> avioni: Anything in it?
[19:50] <gargsms> http://termbin.com/hczb
[19:50] <xangua> lucidguy: pidgin integrates with the message indicator and there's also a third party plugin to make it's tray icon an indicator, don't use davmail
[19:50] <gargsms> vfw, ^
[19:50] <nacc> jsjdfas_: check dmesg, syslog, journalctl, network manager logs, etc
[19:50] <lucidguy> xangua: don't use davmail?
[19:50] <nacc> jsjdfas_: also, waht wireless device and driver?
[19:50] <xangua> lucidguy: I don't use it
[19:51] <lucidguy> xangua: gotcha.
[19:51] <vfw> gargsms: dpig-reconfigure gdm
[19:51] <jsjdfas_> nacc: thats beyond me at this point...so frustrating being so shallow in understanding...every problem seems to require some new five levels of learning...its an old intel card have to check....what is the command to check that?
[19:51] <lucidguy> Thanks guysa
[19:51] <avioni> vfw: 3 lines. Can I paste it here?
[19:51] <gargsms> gdm is not installed
[19:52] <lucidguy> tgm4883: I don't think you are talking about the systray, sounds like you are referring to the app dock on the side itself.
[19:52] <xangua> lucidguy: is that a thunderbird add-on? Thunderbird should also integrate with the message indicator(envelope icon)
[19:52] <nacc> jsjdfas_: probably something with lshw, sorry, i'm not entirely sure -- if you want, pastebin dmesg
[19:52] <jsjdfas_> its something like Intel 945 I think...trying to find out
[19:52] <nacc> jsjdfas_: as in `dmesg | pastebinit`
[19:52] <lucidguy> xangua: its not an addon, independent java app
[19:52] <vfw> sudo dpgk-reconfigure lightdm
[19:52] <tgm4883> lucidguy: I'm specifically talking about the top right of my screen, next to the clock, wifi, bluetooth, and other indicators
[19:52] <gargsms> vfw, did that too. Nothing
[19:53] <vfw> dpkg-reconfigure ubuntu-deskop
[19:53] <vfw> gargsms: sudo dpkg-reconfigure ubuntu-desktop
[19:53] <jsjdfas_> nacc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23513102/
[19:53] <tgm4883> lucidguy: specifically http://imgur.com/a/EYtUE
[19:54] <avioni> vfw: it has these 2 lines:  APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "0";  |   APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "0";
[19:54] <nacc> jsjdfas_: "iwl3945 0000:04:00.0: Microcode SW error detected. Restarting 0x82000008"
[19:54] <jsjdfas_> also can anyone tell me how to scroll back past the top in xfce terminal?
[19:54] <lucidguy> tgm4883: Thats right, davmail doesn't work probably with that panel.  I don't think that panel acts like the traditional systray
[19:54] <nacc> jsjdfas_: i feel like htat implie a hardware issue
[19:55] <gargsms> vfw, nothing so far. By any chance would the output of startx be helpful to you?
[19:55] <ducasse> jsjdfas_: shift+pgup
[19:55] <jsjdfas_> nacc: what does that mean? could that have been me messing with the ifconfig stuff as I did disable it once that way
[19:55] <nacc> jsjdfas_: sorry, need to work on some stuff, hopefully someone else can help
[19:55] <jsjdfas_> ok thanks
[19:55] <jsjdfas_> ducasse: thanks
[19:56] <tgm4883> lucidguy: sorry can't help, sounds like davmail needs a patch for that
[19:56] <jsjdfas_> ducasse: actually its not working...shift pgup only goes to top limit scrolling does
[19:56] <vfw> gargsms: yes
[19:56] <vfw> gargsms: Is lightdm installed?
[19:56] <jsjdfas_> shift home and page up wont go past the limit I am stuck at
[19:56] <ducasse> jsjdfas_: of course, there is a limited number of saved lines. you need to increase that in the settings.
[19:57] <jsjdfas_> ah...what is a normal setting?
[19:57] <gargsms> vfw, seems like it is. I reconfigured it as well
[19:57] <vfw> gargsms: startx |& nc termbin.com 9999
[19:57] <vfw> gargsms: Then restart it.
[19:57] <vfw> gargsms: systemctl restart lightdm
[19:57] <vfw> via sudo
[19:59] <gargsms> vfw, http://termbin.com/o98i
[19:59] <gargsms> This misses out on errors, though. There are few errors that pop up after this
[20:00] <gargsms> All being 'amd_sched_main failed to run job' or 'amdgpu_sched_run_job error scheduling IBs'
[20:02] <vfw> gargsms: sudo find /usr/lib -name radeonsi_dri.so -type f
[20:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> AH UEFI
[20:07] <gargsms> vfw, /var/lib/x86_64-linnux-gnu/dri/radeonsi_dri.so
[20:07] <mjacob> is it possible with upstart to specify multiple commands to be run in the "exec" stanza?  (except for manually running /bin/sh -c '...')
[20:07] <cuddylier> When I do wget -N for a file, it says there is no newer file but the file on the source web server was updated today and the one with the same name on the destination server is from the 17th November. Any ideas why?
[20:07] <gargsms> /var/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri/radeonsi_dri.so
[20:08] <vfw> gargsms: So that file exists in both places?
[20:08] <gargsms> That's what the command finds
[20:10] <sirkermit> Hi kritik
[20:10] <vfw> gargsms: There is probably a simple fix for this.  I think just re-setting unity and the window manager would do it.  And I believe you simply just delete a file some place but don't know where it is.  Maybe someone will see this and tell us.
[20:10] <ubuntu_user_> Hi, is there any way of choosing the download mirror during installatoin using the regular Ubuntu live cd ?
[20:10] <kritik> hi sirkermit
[20:10] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: don't you just love it? ;)
[20:10] <vfw> gargsms: radeonsi_dri.so exists in two places, but not where gdm thinks it should be, as well as a couple other files.
[20:11] <sirkermit> Kritik whree are you from ?
[20:11] <ioria> gargsms, why is it in /var/lib and not in /usr/lib ?
[20:11] <sirkermit> Are you new to IRC krtitik ?
[20:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, uhmmm been attemtping to install Ubuntu  on his lap top
[20:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> just now but ah
[20:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, this time round  it crashes on intaller in both 16.10  and 16.04, instead of  finnishing  the install,  it came up with ome eror some bugthing basicaly instead of installing grub 2
[20:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, or oh maybe that's it, it's trying to intall normal grub 2 maybe for  some reson, insted of efi grub ?
[20:13] <gargsms> ioria, my bad. It's in /usr/lib. I just typed it wrong, twice. :(
[20:13] <ioria> ^_^
[20:14] <vfw> gargsms: Is this a system that was upgraded from 14.04?
[20:14] <gargsms> No. This is a fresh install
[20:14] <vladimir_> hello threre
[20:14] <gargsms> I just fiddled a lot with kernels, compiled mesa from source and installed
[20:14] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: it will install grub for whatever mode you booted in.
[20:14] <gargsms> Now I am on the base kernel I started with
[20:15] <vfw> gargsms: Did you do:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm   ?
[20:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, well it's in uei mode already or?
[20:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, I think it would detect if efi or whatever the system ?
[20:15] <gargsms> I was overly optimistic once and tried to do 'sudo  apt remove *mesa*' which gave a big list of almost all installed programs
[20:15] <gargsms> vfw, yes, multiple times
[20:15] <vfw> gargsms: And did it do anything?
[20:16] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: it does. if you boot in uefi mode it will install grub for uefi.
[20:16] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD, the usb you made is hybrid but it's up to you select it from bios, uefi or legacy
[20:16] <Guddu> I have a Weird issue. Ubuntu 14.04  Desktop. . . It shuts down on its own after a while.
[20:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, and unetbotin gave some  temp error for ome reason, when making new Ubuntu ISO
[20:16] <Guddu> Can't seem to make it work.
[20:16] <gargsms> Not that I can see. I am getting the same errors as before, and the same coming back to the login screen
[20:16] <Guddu> Its going to suspended automatically as it seems from the logs.
[20:16] <Guddu> Please guide.
[20:16] <vfw> gargsms: Did you do: dpkg-reconfigure gdm  ?
[20:17] <gargsms> I don't have gdm installed
[20:17] <vfw> gargsms: uname -r
[20:17] <gargsms> 4.4.0-47-generic
[20:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, oh that could be it, and yes it looked like for both 16.10 and 16.04 that was going to install Grub 2
[20:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, but it's a UEFI system so uhmm
[20:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but ye that could explain the error then
[20:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> if it's the normal Grub 2 rather than EFI Grub
[20:18] <vfw> gargsms: If gdm is not installed, why do we see the gdm errors  See: http://termbin.com/o98i
[20:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, how do you select  UEFI mode in bios ?
[20:18] <gargsms> That's gbm
[20:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, HP lap top, and I don't remember speciically having to do that on mine
[20:18] <gargsms> 'gbm' not 'gdm'
[20:19] <ioria> gargsms,  it's your main board uefi capable ?
[20:19] <gargsms> Yes
[20:19] <ioria> gargsms,  soory was for SebthreeBQM10HD
[20:19] <gargsms> Oh, okay
[20:19] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,   it's your main board uefi capable ?
[20:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, on my own computer about a year and  half ago, I just had to dsable secure boot, and do the boot order, and point it to the windows boot loader on install
[20:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, ye the one that ben trying to install on it, a brand new lap top, so it's uefi
[20:20] <vfw> gargsms: Oh, ok.  (My dyslexia is showing...)
[20:20] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,   ok, so dual boot , and windows 8 or 10 ?
[20:21] <gargsms> vfw, it's easily mistaken. I don't even know what gbm is
[20:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria,  one reason I told him to get HP at the shop  yesterday, was since I  thought it would b easier for the uei or hoepfully, lik mine enoguh hmm
[20:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, yes  new lap top so  it came pre installed with Windows 10
[20:21] <atXyc0> im having an issue scriping the installation of deb packages i archived from /var/cache/apt. i basically install all the packages i need in a blank vm then save them for reinstallation after reverting the OS. dpkg -i *.deb finishs without error but i get a dependency unmet error from apt on any subsequent command.
[20:21] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,   well, nope, not easy, to be honest
[20:22] <atXyc0> rerunning dpkg -i *.deb fixes the issue
[20:22] <Ballistixxx> writers block..
[20:22] <atXyc0> do i just need to run it twice?
[20:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, indeed UEFI was al ah on mine to, unill I got it on some how
[20:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, I don't rmeembe having to specifially say use uei
[20:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but ok that could be it for this new lap top
[20:22] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,   you need to boot ubuntu and choose 'try ubuntu' and provice  sudo parted -l
[20:23] <ioria> *provide
[20:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, or oh, do you mean, the lke legacy and uei options in bios?
[20:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well not on t now
[20:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but hmm
[20:23] <vfw> gargsms: Did you manually install a GPU driver?
[20:23] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#General_principles
[20:23] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,   if the laptop it's brand new, uefi of course
[20:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, yeah I'll mess with it more tommorow or something I uess
[20:24] <gargsms> Not that I remember. I compiled and installed latest mesa drivers
[20:24] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,   as you wish mate
[20:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, but what meant to do ?
[20:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the comad is just to list partitions
[20:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it seems that you gave
[20:24] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,   boot the usb in uefi mode
[20:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, I belive it should just install etc
[20:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> if  booted right hmm
[20:25] <Guest15328> Hello
[20:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> how to make sure it boots up in uefi mode ?
[20:25] <vfw> !info | gargsms
[20:25] <Guest15328> I'm wondering if anyone can help me with a very simple problem in terminal
[20:25] <vfw> !info mesa | gargsms
[20:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Guest15328,  hi
[20:25] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,   are you on ubuntu, right now ?
[20:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> nope
[20:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not tha machine
[20:25] <gargsms> vfw, http://www.mesa3d.org
[20:25] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,   can you boot the livecd in 'try mode' ?
[20:26] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,   ah, ok
[20:26] <Guest15328> I'm very new to command line and I need to get the following command acd_cli sync to run every 5 minutes
[20:26] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: if there are files in /sys/firmware/efi you are booted in uefi mode
[20:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria,  yeah  when doing it...  I could boot up the usb
[20:26] <vfw> gargsms: So you compiled from source and installed mesa?
[20:26] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,   ok,  open a terminal and sudo parted -l |nc termbin.com 9999
[20:26] <gargsms> Yes.
[20:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not on it now, but what would that command do?
[20:27] <gargsms> It was there already, but not the latest version
[20:27] <vfw> I thnk we are on to something here, gargsms  but not sure what to do about it.  What kernel were you using at the time?
[20:27] <max-m> Guest15328, you are looking for cron/crontab
[20:27] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,   list partitions and table and tells us if you are in bios or efi mode
[20:27] <gargsms> 4.8.6
[20:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, oh right ok
[20:28] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,   it gives you an url to paste here
[20:28] <vfw> gargsms: And that is the kernel you have now. Right?
[20:28] <Guest15328> Max-m, Is that built into Ubuntu?
[20:28] <gargsms> I still don't think the kernel is the issue here. Because I could boot into 4.8.6 just fine. I got panics with 4.6
[20:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, ok let's say it's not in uei mode,  how would you change?
[20:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> still not on lap top btw.  was meant to be having a kind of break or whaeve,r but
[20:29] <gargsms> vfw, No. I now have the base version that comes from the ubuntu repositories. No manual kernel images
[20:29] <vfw> gargsms: And that is when you first had this problem?  After compiling and installing mesa?
[20:29] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,   why change ? if you installed w10 in bios mode , you need to install ubuntu in the same way
[20:29] <vfw> gargsms: uname -r
[20:29] <younder> ioria, that UEFI mode perhaps?
[20:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, Windows 10 is instaled in uei mode I assume
[20:29] <gargsms> 4.4.0-47-generic
[20:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, since secure boot was enabled and I diabled that
[20:30] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,   so ubuntu will come in ufi mode
[20:30] <gargsms> I will just try recompiling mesa and doing make uninstall, if that helps
[20:30] <max-m> Guest15328, yes, have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto :)
[20:30] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,   secure boot it's no more an issue for that
[20:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, it crashed  on grub 2,  so legacy grub 2, not the efi  one ?
[20:30] <vfw> gargsms: ok, that is the problem.  You compiled mesa for kernel 4.8.6 and now you are using kernel version 4.4.0-47
[20:30] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,  what aare you bootinf 16.04 or .10 ?
[20:31] <ioria> *g
[20:31] <gargsms> So if I use 4.8.6, would it fix itself?
[20:31] <younder> SebthreeBQM10HD, I have disableed secure mode too :) Next time get the NVIDIA team on the line before making such drasitic changes!
[20:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, yestday insalling 16.10  semed to work, except no Grub 2 acsaully showing up when on
[20:31] <gargsms> vfw, Actually, I was using 4.8.6 with mesa and encountered the problem.
[20:31] <vfw> gargsms: Only if it is the one that was there when you first compiled mesa on it.
[20:31] <gargsms> If I recompile mesa and install?
[20:32] <gargsms> On the current kernel? I think it is worth a shot
[20:32] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,  did you select 'download updates while installing' ?
[20:32] <vfw> gargsms: Do you sitll have the soruce code directory for mesa?  If so, there is probably an uninstall script.
[20:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, an I checke boot options of computer no ubuntu listed,  today  when trying to re instal 16.10,  got into this grub 2 error etc, same thing afer making a 16.04 usb
[20:32] <gargsms> vfw, I deleted it. :'(
[20:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, yes  did have selected download updates whilst installng on al of these installs
[20:32] <vfw> gargsms: Or, yea, just re-compile it on this kernel.
[20:32] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,  i suggest 16.04
[20:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, that had the same problem
[20:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> this issue with Grub 2
[20:32] <zacktu> I've done several OTS upgrades in place.  I did one again from 14.04 to 16.04.  It was very slow to boot so I decided it was time to install a new system.  I've always had an encrypted  home partition and agreed to do it again.  I also used a different password, and my home partition didn't mount.  I found that I can run encryptfs-mount-private on the CL and it will mount my home directory. ...
[20:32] <zacktu> ...How can I fix this?  I'm willing to reinstall with the old password if that would fix the problem.
[20:33] <zacktu> LTS upgrades
[20:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, why did it complete originally a 16.10 install, but then al attempted re intalls have prolems ?
[20:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and even the 16.04 install as well, grub 2 issue
[20:34] <vfw> gargsms: http://www.mesa3d.org/
[20:34] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,  16.04 is long term support .... but if you need help, better you are on livecd, so we can help you
[20:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, yeah well can't relly do it now,
[20:35] <dosmanak> Hello, I noticed when using shift + KP_END(NUM keyboard), it behaves different than shift + END, the select is not created. It it the same with you?
[20:35] <vfw> gargsms: From: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1035404-start-0.html "rebuilding mesa, solved the issue"
[20:35] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,  on win10 right now ?
[20:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, I know about LTS, but if thre's a bug that effect a prituclar  systme, it could be in more than one version
[20:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, nah he's probably using the lap top now or whaever,  beeen in there to long already earlier
[20:36] <gargsms> vfw, I will try that right away
[20:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, I was thinking try and get some ideas as to things to try  for tommorow or whaever
[20:36] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,  sure
[20:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, it's odd though
[20:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, when I first made a 16.10 usb yesterday
[20:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> on that windows instal using u net bootin even on the lap top yeah
[20:37] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,  use rufus
[20:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that installed, but without grub comng up, so I thought I haddn't done the point it to widows boot loaer hting
[20:38] <ducasse> dosmanak: those are two different keysyms, so that sort of makes sense
[20:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I try again and nope.
[20:38] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,  use rufus
[20:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, could ading a fat32 partiton to the disk have effected things by the way ?
[20:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that was after deleting the original partitions that had for 16.10
[20:38] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,  let rufus do its job https://rufus.akeo.ie/
[20:40] <atXyc0> bump
[20:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, ok that's like unetbootin, but why are you recommending that one
[20:40] <dosmanak> ducasse: I know. So is there something like inputrc for Xserver? Or should I somehow remap KP_END on END somehow?
[20:40] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,  well, because it works :þ
[20:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, don't thinkI hav hard of rufus beore, so that could be some random site even  for all I know, an unetbootin has mostly worked or me
[20:41] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,  ok
[20:41] <ducasse> dosmanak: mapping the end keysym onto that key should work in theory, the tool for that now is xkbcomp which is horrible. xmodmap was much nicer.
[20:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, was giving some kind of tmp  file error earlier though, after trying to use the same usb stick again, after formatting ec
[20:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, maybe I should try a new usb  next time, but I think the one I got is ok
[20:42] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,  what is giving you error ?
[20:42] <dosmanak> ducasse: Thank you, I will try xmodmap
[20:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, wel even unetbootin had some od error about tmp config files or somehting
[20:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ater trying to use again
[20:42] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,  nuke it, and use rufus
[20:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> on the same usb stick
[20:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, pove to m that rufus isn't just some random program :D ?
[20:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> prove to me
[20:43] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,  mmmmm.... let me think
[20:43] <ioria> OerHeks, is ruus ok ?
[20:44] <ioria> OerHeks, is rufus ok ?
[20:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> who' OerHeks and seen that name before in here I think
[20:45] <ducasse> dosmanak: be aware that any change you make with xmodmap will be overwritten if something calls setxkbmap afterwards
[20:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, it's  probably ok, but is i on a trusted enough site such as sourceforge or something, nope it seems
[20:45] <max-m> Ummm, any ideas why ssh-agent's SSH_AUTH_SOCK (instead of gnome-keyring's, disabled that one) isn't set when I launch my terminal via the default keyboard shortcut on a fresh 16.10? It works when the terminal is started via the Unity launcher or Nautilus, in both cases (variable set or not) the terminal is a child of the gnome-terminal-server which has the correct path set in its environment :( (I'm running my old 16.04 at the moment)
[20:45] <ioria> OerHeks, it's ok
[20:46] <ducasse> SebthreeBQM10HD: rufus is fine. i wouldn't trust sourceforge though.
[20:46] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,  come on , i paste the link
[20:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, I think souceforge had  a slight adaware issue or something earlier this yaer if tha's what you mean
[20:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ducasse, have you used refus ?
[20:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, how do you make sure a stick boos up in uefi mode, and not legacy or whaever ?
[20:47] <dosmanak> ducasse: It worked. Now I have to make it permanent
[20:48] <yazeed> hello
[20:48] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,  it's up to you to choose
[20:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, that's what I don't understand, how do I choose ?
[20:48] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,  the iso is hhybrid
[20:48] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,  from bios
[20:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes I unernd t can support both uefi and bios
[20:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, oh from the uefi bios
[20:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that could be i
[20:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> t
[20:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> missed a step
[20:49] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,  you'll see two menus (legacy/uefi)
[20:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, I disabled secure boot, I changed the boot order so a usb would boot up,  but that was it
[20:49] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,  ok... and what did you see ?
[20:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria,  don't rmember that was yesday one of the firs things I did,  but yes maybe there's a otion or bootin up uei
[20:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, disablin legacy etc
[20:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I man I may have not done somthing in the bios that should have done
[20:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hence things not workin how I had eexpected
[20:51] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,  maybe
[20:51] <bctim> Hi, I'm having some trouble with ubuntu 14.04  not booting after I tried installing a program that would create a CD. I currently have a black screen on it with the test "kernal panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! exitcode=0x00007f00. I've ran a program that creates a log file but I'm not clued up enough in linux to understand what it's telling me. Here is the log file: http://paste2.org/WbLNCUHN. Any help would be gretly appreciated.
[20:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and as I sai it seeme to be trying to put on actsual Grub 2
[20:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> which is wrong
[20:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and the error I got was a can't insall eror
[20:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but  if in th sdd  option the default,  or in th windos boo manager one, which I had to point to on mine so
[20:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, I know that need a special Grub  fo UEFI
[20:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> for
[20:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, so in yours, what's the option you do or uefi boot?
[20:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> for
[20:53] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD, i'am on uefi, so i boot the usb in the accordingly
[20:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, it would explain why same error or both 16.10 and 16.04, i it's not booted up right
[20:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, however I didn't get those errors originally, it just seemed to inatll, completed the installer, bu then woudn't come up
[20:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> with Grub, and nothing in boot options for Ubuntu as well when I looked
[20:55] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD, trust me, if you want some 'real help' you need to boot that usb :þ
[20:55] <IlonkaO> Hi
[20:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, yeah
[20:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, however I think  looks like hen on i should look at he uefi bios again  for options
[20:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> when on it again
[20:56] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD, yeah
[20:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, there is a chance I didn't do something there
[20:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hence the errors
[20:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> although it sitll doesn't qute explain why it seemed to finnish the install originally, and any time after that crashs on grub instal intad
[20:57] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD,  the iso could be corrupted, or the media or you can have booted the usb in the wrong way
[20:58] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD, in this scenario, you verify the iso and then the media
[20:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, yeah I though about md5sums a bit earlier, but didn't do
[20:59] <ioria> SebthreeBQM10HD, i'am still talking about 16.04 of course
[20:59] <javier_> hola
[21:03] <gargsms> vfw, ping
[21:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioria, yeah could md5sum from  the live session even or ouh
[21:06] <jamie_1> hey does anyone know why when i sign into root when it does the auto lock from time out the password for root no longer works
[21:06]  * jamie_1 is using root for pentesting reasons
[21:07] <reisio> jamie_1: you'll have to rephrase that
[21:07] <Pici> jamie_1: Thats how how sudo works. By default it is 15 minutes.  See the timestamp_timeout option in sudoers manpage.
[21:08]  * younder mentions sudo su, and passwd
[21:08] <jamie_1> okay, im using tty-5 to sign in as root then using startx to start a session for using tools that require direct root access, no sudo will not work for a lot of them, but if im watching my monitoring tools and not messing with anything it locks, now after it locks i cannot un lock it, the root password does not work
[21:09] <jamie_1> younder: i have a set root login that i use from tty, that is already set that is not my issue
[21:09] <Pici> jamie_1: if you're already signed in as root, you don't need to use sudo again.
[21:10] <jamie_1> Pici: im not, most people will say "DONT USE ROOT" i was simply saying why i was signing in as root and not using sudo
[21:10] <younder> Pici, It doesn't hurt either.
[21:10] <jamie_1> just annoyed that ever time it times out when im using root i have to do a full reboot to get back into root... pain in the a**
[21:11] <unknoun-you> What's so spacial about ubuntu?
[21:11] <reisio> unknoun-you: naked people, color brown, etc.
[21:11] <jamie_1> unknoun-you: it has a bunch of pretty and shiny bells and whisles that mesmerize everyone
[21:11] <tgm4883> unknoun-you: we can detect trolls pretty easily
[21:12] <jamie_1> as you can tell by in the instant set of smart aleck reponses
[21:14] <jamie_1> so im guessing no one has a solution for my locking issue with root?
[21:15] <jamie_1> only other solution i have is to disable the timeout... which i dont want to do... increases my chance to burn my screen..
[21:15] <reisio> jamie_1: you ever rephrase?
[21:16] <jamie_1> reisio: 4:08:45 PM - jamie_1: okay, im using tty-5 to sign in as root then using startx to start a session for using tools that require direct root access, no sudo will not work for a lot of them, but if im watching my monitoring tools and not messing with anything it locks, now after it locks i cannot un lock it, the root password does not work
[21:16] <jamie_1> i have to reboot to get back in
[21:17] <Pici> jamie_1: do you mean that the screensaver locks?
[21:17] <reisio> jamie_1: naturally not, because it's your non-root password it wants
[21:17] <jamie_1> crap... gotta go to work, ill hop back on at another time
[21:17] <reisio> oh actually
[21:17] <reisio> yeah it's because root has no ordinary pass
[21:18] <jamie_1> i have set on
[21:18] <jamie_1> either way have to go, thanks anyways
[21:18] <reisio> you set a pass for root?
[21:18] <jamie_1> reisio: yes
[21:18] <reisio> anyway, just disable the screensaver
[21:25] <bocaneri> Who's good with debugging sound issues on Kubuntu 16.04?
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[21:27] <trf> I'm looking for suggestions for a new OS, what would be the correct channel to ask about this?
[21:27] <reisio> probably nowhere
[21:28] <reisio> you mean you are planning on making a new OS?
[21:28] <trf> No, just interesting in switching to a new distribution
[21:28] <reisio> ah
[21:28] <reisio> from what?
[21:28] <trf> From xubuntu to something else
[21:28] <trf> that is based on ubuntu
[21:28] <reisio> okay, why?
[21:29] <bocaneri> I'm running Kubuntu. That means I'm running KDE on top of Ubuntu.
[21:29] <koroso> hey all
[21:29] <trf> I've read about distributions like trisquel that are entirely free with no proprietary components, so I'm interested in something like that
[21:29] <reisio> bocaneri: well, mostly that
[21:29] <trf> But I'm wondering if that's a viable option
[21:29] <reisio> trf: if you don't need Flash, yes it is
[21:29] <reisio> if you don't need to read random binary formats from Windows systems, yes it is
[21:30] <Guy1524> hey guys, how do I tell ubuntu not to lock when a certain application is open?  In SuperTuxKart, when using wiimotes, the computer goes to sleep because it doesn't recognize the wiimotes as input
[21:30] <trf> reisio what would be the major compatibility restrictions that I might run into If I ran an OS like trisquel (aside from no flash)
[21:30] <Guy1524> so is there a way to just not lock when stk is open?
[21:30] <koroso> i install kubuntu too then i have installed lubuntu-desktop but i keep all function offered by kubuntu it's maguc
[21:31] <reisio> trf: ask #trisquel
[21:31] <trf> thanks, didn't know there was a channel
[21:32] <Guy1524> is there atleast a way for me to run a bash command telling the computer to not sleep
[21:33] <reisio> Guy1524: sure
[21:33] <ixxxxu> !time
[21:34] <reisio> Guy1524: the most bare bones, stupid way would be to have xdotool send an innocuous key every FOO interval
[21:35] <Guy1524> reisio: I was thinking of issuing a do not sleep command in the run script before the executable and after the executable have a reenable command for the sleeping mechanism
[21:35] <Guy1524> do you know if there is a way to do that?
[21:36] <igsvs> exit
[21:37] <Guy1524> for instance, how do applications like firefox disable the computer from sleeping when a youtube video is playing?
[21:42] <Guy1524> figured it out
[21:42] <Guy1524> thx guys
[21:45] <bctim> Hi, I'm having some trouble with ubuntu 14.04  not booting after I tried installing a program that would create a CD. I currently have a black screen on it with the test "kernal panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! exitcode=0x00007f00. I've ran a program that creates a log file but I'm not clued up enough in linux to understand what it's telling me. Here is the log file: http://paste2.org/WbLNCUHN. Any help would be gretly appreciated.
[21:45] <mni> .
[21:46] <Bray90820> I'm getting an error with 16.10 when I try to open alsamixer "cannot open mixer no such file or directory"
[21:50] <Bashing-om> bctim: Got to wonder that as many kernels present .. out of disk space ? what shows ' df -h ; df -i ' ?
[21:51] <bctim> bash, plenty of disk space. I've also gone back and tried different kernals. All give the same error
[21:53] <bctim> Also bash, can i run these commands from a usb?
[21:55] <Bashing-om> bctim: Nope the df commands beed to be run from the install .. you are so correct .
[21:55] <nacc> bctim: so your 14.04 booted *until* you installed a program that 'would create a CD'?
[21:56] <bctim> nacc, yes. I was working on creating a DVD for a client to play in their dvd player. The install closed. Once i restarted my computer I got this erro
[21:57] <nacc> bctim: try uninstalling said program? seems unlikely to be related on the surface
[21:57] <vfw> bctim: What program did you install?
[21:57] <nacc> bctim: perhaps you also did an update and got a new kernel?
[21:57] <atXyc0> bump
[21:58] <Bashing-om> bctim: "UUID=4571f625-cb22-49d1-8d6d-4bd1576d3e37 none            swap " But I do not see that a swap partition exist .
[21:58] <vfw> bctim: What is the name of the program you installed, (let us check if there is known problems with it).
[22:00] <bctim> Sorry I cant quite remember what the program was called. It was refered to me from a co-worker (who isnt in at the moment) It started with B and had a red icon. Sorry for being vegue. Ill see if i can find it.
[22:00] <bctim> K3B
[22:00] <vfw> bctim: How did you install it?
[22:01] <vfw> bctim: Did you use the package manager?
[22:01] <bctim> I would have used apt-get
[22:02] <nacc> bctim: fwiw, as I think Bashing-om said, your grub is listing an inordinate number of older kernels
[22:03] <younder> you have 3 dpkg apt and apt-get
[22:03] <nacc> !info linux-image-generic trusty
[22:03] <nacc> younder: how is that relevant right now?
[22:04] <vfw> bctim: df
[22:04] <vfw> bctim: df |& nc termbin.com 9999   #Send us resulting URL
[22:05] <nacc> bctim: which kernel are you trying to boot into,a s well? and have you tried using hte next most recent?
[22:06] <younder> nacc, what case are you working on
[22:07] <bctim> nacc, Ive tried booting from 15ish different kernels both in safe mode and normal. vfw, The url is termbin.com/7pzp
[22:07] <nacc> bctim: ok, so it doesn't seem to matter anymore which kerenl you boot from?
[22:08] <bctim> nacc, No
[22:08] <younder> DVCD player, not working
[22:08] <nacc> bctim: i feel like the simplest sanity check is to remove the potentially offending package and see if that 'fixes' things
[22:09] <nacc> bctim: i don't feel like it should, but maybe it will
[22:09] <nacc> !who | younder
[22:10] <bivo> What screen casting software can I use to capture the audio coming out of the speakers as well? RecordMyDesktop only captures the mic
[22:10] <bctim> Do I have to manually go thorugh the folders and delete it or can i run the uninstall from a usb?
[22:10] <younder> bctim: sudo mkdir /media/cdrom
[22:10] <younder> bctim: suso -H gedit /etc/fstab
[22:11] <younder> bctim: in the text editor add
[22:11] <bctim> younder, there is already a foldere called cdrom in media
[22:12] <younder> bctim: /dev    /media/cdrom/  udf,iso9960  ro,user,noauto,exec,utf8  0  0
[22:12] <nacc> younder: what problem are you trying to solve?? bctim does not have a failing DVD/CD driver, afaict
[22:12] <nacc> *drive
[22:12] <nacc> younder: and further that is not a valid fstab line (why would you mount /dev on /media/cdrom??)
[22:14] <vfw> bctim: ls -ltr /var/log/dpkg/info   #See what the last package name is.
[22:15] <vfw> bctim: Or the last few....
[22:17] <Term1nal> Strange issue... friend gave me an ubuntu machine to troubleshoot. First, it would not work with ethernet. I enabled network manager, rebooted, and it was able to connect to the ethernet network, obtain a DHCP configuration properly. So it's assigned an address, DNS servers, etc. Thing is... I cannot connect to anything. Ping doesn't even work to the gateway. I know the network is not at fault, there's 100+ other machines humming along just fine.
[22:17] <Term1nal> iptables has everything set to ACCEPT
[22:17] <bctim> vfw, I dont have a dpkg folder. I do have the logs.
[22:19] <eightfold> hi there
[22:19] <vfw> bctim: ls -ltr /var/lib/dpkg/info/   Sorry
[22:20] <reisio> hi eight
[22:20] <eightfold> i upgraded to yak and now a cli software installed via apt-get no longer starts
[22:21] <eightfold> The program 'xxx' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt install xxx
[22:21] <bctim> vfw, What am I looking for?
[22:21] <vfw> bctim: ls -tr /var/lib/dpkg/info/*list  Look at last few in that list
[22:21] <eightfold> i had added a repository for this software before updating
[22:22] <vfw> bctim: You are looking at the last packages installed or upgraded.  They are ordered newest last.
[22:22] <eightfold> which was now disabled
[22:22] <vfw> bctim: ls -tr /var/lib/dpkg/info/*list
[22:22] <eightfold> in software upgrader
[22:22] <eightfold> but does ubuntu actually uninstall the software too?
[22:22] <eightfold> at system upgrade?
[22:23] <vfw> bctim: give us some package names.
[22:24] <tgm4883> eightfold: it could
[22:24] <bctim> vfw, There doesnt seem to be anything from yesterday which was when the problem occured. However the latest lists are libfrontcongif1-dev, libcupsmime1, libcupscgi1, lubcupsppdc1, lbcupsppdc1
[22:25] <pnusimpossible> eww wtf you guys my ubuntu 16.04 install is soooooooooooooooo sloooooooooooooooowwwwwwww...
[22:25] <pnusimpossible> what can you to fix that problem? my computer kicks ass dude it's got like 16gb of ddr3 ram man and 4gb of nvidia graphics and a nice core i7 processor man this laptop kick major ass
[22:25] <pnusimpossible> like all the graphics lag and shit
[22:27] <bctim_> vtc, still me just changed computer
[22:27] <bctim_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root      29 Nov 20 22:31 perl-modules.list
[22:27] <bctim_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   53555 Nov 20 22:31 perl-modules-5.22.list
[22:27] <bctim_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   25232 Nov 20 22:31 libperl5.22:amd64.list
[22:27] <bctim_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   32212 Nov 20 22:31 perl-base.list
[22:27] <bctim_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root     491 Nov 20 22:31 sysvinit-utils.list
[22:27] <bctim_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root     717 Nov 20 22:31 init-system-helpers.list
[22:27] <vfw> bctim_: No
[22:27] <vfw> bctim_: ls -ltr /var/lib/dpkg/info/*list 2>&1 |tail -40 |& nc termbin.com 9999
[22:28] <vfw> bctim_: Send us resulting URL.
[22:29] <bctim_> vfw, termbin.com/cf7n
[22:29] <eightfold> tgm4883: ouch, a warning for that could be in place
[22:29] <eightfold> oh well
[22:29] <tgm4883> eightfold: it does warn you...
[22:30] <eightfold> i bet it did... :)
[22:30] <vfw> bctim_: So, just yesterday, you did updates?
[22:30] <tgm4883> eightfold: IIRC, it says "These X packages are going to be removed" and you have to click OK to continue
[22:30] <bctim_> vfw, Yes
[22:30] <tgm4883> :q
[22:31] <vfw> bctim_: How long had it been since you did updates?
[22:32] <bctim_> vfw, I had to do it as part of installing k3b
[22:33] <vfw> bctim_: Ok, try this:
[22:33] <vfw> bctim_: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:34] <vfw> bctim_: Let us know if it fails and if so, show us errors, otherwise let it finish and see if that fixes it.
[22:38] <pnusimpossible> 3d acceleration is making atom not work =(
[22:38] <pnusimpossible> atom launches but it's black
[22:38] <vfw> Who else is following bctim's problem?
[22:38] <vfw> Anyone.....?
[22:39] <vfw> bctim_: What kind of computer are you working on?  Is it a laptop?  Or, what?
[22:39] <bctim_> Desktop
[22:39] <vfw> bctim_: What kind of hard drive(s) does it have?
[22:40] <bctim_> 1TB HDD WD
[22:40] <vfw> bctim_: And is it dual boot?
[22:40] <bctim_> No
[22:41] <vfw> bctim_: show me the results of:  sudo fdisk -l |& nc termbin.com 9999
[22:41] <bctim_> vfw, There was an incomplete package install which im fixing with dpkg --configure -a
[22:41] <vfw> bctim_: Ok, good.  THat might just fix your problem.
[22:42] <bctim_> termbin.com/su7s
[22:46] <vfw> bctim_: So you have just one linux partition of 500G  And you do not have a swap partition.  Right?
[22:46] <ilhami> hey.
[22:46] <ilhami> when will new Ubuntu phone devices come out? I want to test one.
[22:47] <reisio> /msg alis list *ubunt*touch*
[22:47] <ilhami> reisio, I am afraid that I am still banned in there.
[22:47] <vfw> bctim_: Are you running off the hard drive?  Or are you running from a USB device?
[22:48] <bctim_> vfw, I've just  put a swap partition in. It has 8GB of ram and I'm not doing anyhting to hard.
[22:49] <vfw> bctim_: So your Linux install is just on a 15G USB drive.  Right?
[22:49] <bctim_> vfw, Yes
[22:50] <vfw> bctim_: It's full.
[22:52] <bctim_> vfw, The usb is only using 1.5GB for ubuntu. The rest has no partition.
[22:55] <oblio> having  issue with vsftpd working, i ekep getting authentication failure but user can access with ssh, anyone use this?
[22:55] <koroso> what is your problem oblio?
[22:56] <oblio> koroso: setting up vsftpd local accounts and ssl, no working
[22:57] <tgm4883> oblio: it's probably worth noting that vsftp doesn't use SSH, and IIRC, has it's own list of users
[22:57] <bctim_> vfw, the 15GB is just the live stick im using to boot with.
[22:57] <oblio> tgm4883: local_users arent in passwd?
[22:58] <tgm4883> oblio: it's been awhile since I used vsftp, but I think it keeps it's own list of user credentials
[22:58] <vfw> bctim_: the 1.5G partition is full.
[22:59] <oblio> tgm4883: i dont see that
[22:59] <vfw> bctim_: cat /etc/fstab |nc termbin.com 9999
[22:59] <bctim_> vfw, Yes I'm using a usb distro on a stick as a repair enviroment.
[23:00] <vfw> bctim_: Is that what you are booted to now?
[23:00] <tgm4883> oblio: looking at the documentation now, I must be thinking of something else
[23:00] <bctim_> vfw, Yes just while my regular workstation wont boot.
[23:01] <oblio> tgm4883: local_enable - Controls whether local logins are permitted or not. If enabled, normal user accounts in /etc/passwd (or wherever your PAM config references) may be used to log in.
[23:01] <bctim_> termbin.com/1voa
[23:03] <EricAndre> how do i move a cli-window to another workspace
[23:03] <vfw> bctim_: So how are you working on it?  Did you chroot to it?
[23:03] <EricAndre> is there a command line comand?
[23:03] <bctim_> vfw, Yes
[23:04] <vfw> EricAndre: Depends on which DE you use.
[23:04] <EricAndre> gnome fallback
[23:04] <EricAndre> vfw technically it's gnome 3
[23:04] <vfw> EricAndre: Probably just Right-Click on the bar at top and choose from the drop-down menu
[23:05] <EricAndre> but you cannot do this with a cli-command?
[23:05] <oblio> tgm4883: i know it no use ssh
[23:05] <EricAndre> vfw it is of the utmost importance that I do this from cli
[23:05] <vfw> EricAndre: Not that I know of.
[23:05] <EricAndre> vfw: thanks man
[23:05] <EricAndre> vfw is there maybe a bash command?
[23:07] <bctim_> vfw, here is an output for apt-get -f install.
[23:07] <bctim_> termbin.com/qk0h
[23:08] <marku> Hello, I'm doing install over a preexisting ubuntu.. I went through the process it installed but now there is no boot device?
[23:09] <marku> I chose to turn off safeboot to install third party items should i not?
[23:09] <marku> any help is appreciated.
[23:09] <Jordan_U> EricAndre: What is your end goal?
[23:10] <vfw> bctim_: sudo apt-get autoremove
[23:11] <oblio> anyone setup vsftpd with /etc/passwd account
[23:11] <mjacob> is it somehow possible to get all the .deb files involved when `apt-get install`ing something?  i want to do exact the same install on another machine without internet access
[23:11] <bctim_> vfw, Tried that we get unmet dependencies.
[23:11] <mjacob> listing all removing packages in this process would be a plus
[23:11] <marku> Should I turn off safeboot to install third party items?
[23:12] <marku> Just reinstalled and Ubuntu is not booting.
[23:12] <marku> the joys of linux
[23:12] <tgm4883> !offline | mjacob
[23:12] <Jordan_U> !devilspie | EricAndre
[23:13] <Jordan_U> marku: What happens when you try to boot?
[23:13] <marku> it says there is no boot device
[23:13] <mjacob> ubottu: that sound like what i'm looking for - but it's all on headless machines
[23:14] <mjacob> tgm4883: that sound like what i'm looking for - but it's all on headless machines
[23:14] <marku> Jordan_U:  a blue screen asking to choose a boot device which ubuntu is not listed or does not boot
[23:14] <mjacob> oops for hilighting the bot ;)
[23:15] <tgm4883> !aptoncd | mjacob maybe try this then
[23:15] <Jordan_U> marku: Did you boot the Ubuntu install USB via UEFI?
[23:15] <marku> I checked  "install thirdparty app" and chose a password for safeboot
[23:15] <marku> USB
[23:15] <marku> I placed the USB device in the slot it booted I installed.
[23:16] <marku> Looking bleak.
[23:18] <marku> Jordan_U: I did not do it via UEFI, but just put the usb device in and it booted.
[23:18] <marku> Should I not turn off "safeboot"
[23:19]  * marku cries
[23:19] <Jordan_U> marku: Please boot from a LiveUSB, run boot info script: https://github.com/arvidjaar/bootinfoscript and pastebin the RESULTS.txt that it produces.
[23:19] <marku> i am on the live usb lol
[23:19] <marku> My only pc is linux.. I will try that
[23:20] <mjacob> tgm4883: still not quite what i need, but i found the right solution with the keywords - so thank you!
[23:21] <carlosir> hola tengo problemas con noveau
[23:24] <Bashing-om> !es | carlosir
[23:24] <carlosir> gracias
[23:26] <marku> Jordan_U:  lol i ran that but now it wont work "mawk v1.3.3" has known bugs.  :/
[23:26] <Jordan_U> marku: sudo apt install gawk
[23:27] <marku> i did
[23:27] <marku> let me try again
[23:28] <marku> Jordan_U: http://pastie.org/10967140
[23:28] <younder> better to  install the full package gnu-compier-collectin
[23:28] <younder> compiler
[23:29] <Jordan_U> marku: Please pastebin the output of "sudo efibootmgr".
[23:30] <marku> Jordan_U: http://pastie.org/10967147
[23:33] <Jordan_U> marku: sudo efibootmgr --bootorder 0000,0003,0002,2001,2002,2003
[23:34] <marku> ok
[23:34] <Jordan_U> marku: Then please pastebin the output of "sudo efibootmgr" again.
[23:34] <marku> Jordan_U: http://pastie.org/10967148
[23:34] <marku> thank you for helping
[23:35] <Jordan_U> marku: OK, if you reboot now Ubuntu *should* start, though it obviously should have started after installing so we'll see.
[23:35] <marku> okay I will try it out.. brb
[23:38] <marku_> Jordan_U: I'm back in the live usb.. still says no boot device
[23:41]  * marku_ sighs
[23:43] <marku_> Jordan_U: am I forever doomed lol
[23:45] <Jordan_U> marku_: sudo mkdir /ESP/ && sudo mount /dev/sda1 /ESP/
[23:45] <marku_> Jordan_U: done
[23:46] <zacktu> I ran dpkg --set-selections > pkglist on my old system and then dpkg --set-selections < pkglist on my new system.  I get lots of error messages that packages such as aptitude and brasero aren't in the database.  This has worked before.  What's wrong?
[23:47] <Jordan_U> marku_: sudo cp /ESP/ubuntu/shimx64.efi /ESP/boot/BOOTX64.efi
[23:47] <Bashing-om> !info brasero
[23:48] <Jordan_U> marku_: Wait.
[23:48] <marku_> cp: cannot stat '/ESP/ubuntu/shimx64.efi': No such file or directory
[23:48] <Bashing-om> zacktu: universe repo is enabled in sources ?
[23:48] <marku_> Jordan_U: waiting
[23:49] <Jordan_U> marku_: Instead of that, run "sudo cp /ESP/efi/ubuntu/shimx64.efi /ESP/efi/boot/BOOTX64.efi"
[23:49] <marku_> Jordan_U: cp: cannot create regular file '/ESP/efi/boot/BOOTX64.efi': No such file or directory
[23:49] <zacktu> Bashing-om: Where do I look to answer your question?
[23:49] <oblio> so i make some progress
[23:50] <oblio> it only doesnt work with ssl enabled
[23:50] <oblio> i get 530, otherwise it works fine plaintext
[23:51] <Jordan_U> marku_: sudo mkdir /ESP/efi/boot/ && sudo cp /ESP/efi/ubuntu/shimx64.efi /ESP/efi/boot/BOOTX64.efi
[23:51] <marku_> Jordan_U: done
[23:51] <marku_> Jordan_U: see query
[23:52] <Jordan_U> marku_: OK. Try rebooting.
[23:52] <marku_> ok
[23:53] <Bashing-om> zacktu:  ubuntu Software Center ->Software Sources should have a box for universe there checked .
[23:53] <i_and_i> good evening
[23:53] <i_and_i> can you send a personal message to a specific peer on torrent ?
[23:54] <i_and_i> such as "good torrent huh"
[23:54] <marku> Jordan_U:  :( nope
[23:55] <Jordan_U> i_and_i: No. Please keep such discussion out of #ubuntu. #Ubuntu is for Ubuntu related support discussion only.
[23:55] <i_and_i> ty
[23:55] <i_and_i> how to connect to Android phone from Ubuntu ?
[23:55] <Jordan_U> i_and_i: Ahh, never mind. I misunderstood your question.
[23:56] <TechMonger> where do i find the main differences between ubuntu and ubuntu server?
[23:56] <i_and_i> ah ok
[23:56] <Jordan_U> i_and_i: I don't think there is any standard protocol for sending messages to bittorrent peers, no.
[23:56] <i_and_i> aha ic
[23:56] <marku> TechMonger: is this going to be hosting files on the internet?
[23:56] <marku> Or just a daily driver for personal use?
[23:57] <TechMonger> marku, kinda of. im making a privite file server
[23:57] <marku> Then I'd personally use the Server
[23:57] <Bashing-om> TechMonger: The only difference is a desk top and installed applications .. the kernel is the kernel is the kernel .
[23:57] <marku> Check out AskUbuntu also :)
[23:57] <Jordan_U> marku: Well, I can help you use your USB drive to boot your local Ubuntu installation, but I think a proper fix will involve changing some setting in your boot firmware (and I don't know which).
[23:58] <kostkon> i_and_i, oh those good old days of peer-to-peer clients with embedded chat support... torrent is not one of them :P
[23:58] <marku> ugh
[23:58] <i_and_i> alas .. thanks kostkon
[23:58] <marku> How can I fresh install render the computer not bootable lol
[23:58] <kostkon> i_and_i, :)
[23:59] <marku> This is my only computer, so idk.
[23:59] <Jordan_U> marku: Are you sure that you haven't changed any settings in your boot firmware recently?
[23:59] <marku> Nope not at all.