[00:58] <SporkWitch> valorie: you got me yelled at :P
[01:00] <valorie> sounds like a bit of a debate indeed
[01:00] <SporkWitch> i'm with you; it's the LTS, fix that shit
[01:00] <valorie> you called attention to a *problem* and I hope that will be fixed one way or another
[01:00]  * valorie goes off to dinner
[01:00] <SporkWitch> whatever his opinions, they're bundling packages that are broken without it
[01:01] <SporkWitch> most importantly, it's a problem that only really affects the very users who are not likely to be able or willing to FIGURE OUT the workaround or fix
[01:35] <Eli2_> wow
[01:35] <Eli2_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[01:35] <Eli2_> should be more prominently on the homepage
[01:35] <Eli2_> especially the note about upgrading from 14.04 to 16.04
[01:36] <Eli2_> upgrading "should not be attempted" !
[01:38] <krytarik> Eli2_: It's in here too though: http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-16-04-lts-release-anouncement/
[01:38] <doyle> Hey. What version of plasma and qt does the latest kubuntu ship with?
[01:39] <Eli2_> krytarik, did not read that page before pressing that upgrade button
[01:40] <Eli2_> :/
[01:41] <Eli2_> are there any plans to make it work properly
[01:41] <Eli2_> i have kubuntu on some family computers where i don't really want to reinstall
[01:42] <krytarik> The main problem is the Plasma 4 → 5 switch there.
[01:42] <krytarik> So I don't think it'll ever work, no.
[01:46] <Eli2_> hmmm, ok
[02:37] <doyle> Hey. How can I get plasma 5.8.x installed? Is there a --enablerepo=updates-testing type flag for apt/
[02:37] <doyle> ?
[02:49] <Eli2_> doyle, from what i read you might have to wait for 17.04 to get it in a stable way
[02:49] <Eli2_> maybe before that in the backports repo
[02:52] <[Relic]> that's a weird one playing a full screen game changes the time
[02:54] <doyle> Thanks Eli2_
[02:55] <[Relic]> not sure why playing a game screws up the digital clock; not even sure what I would be looking for in settings to fix that either
[02:58] <[Relic]> and even more bizarre the games get "discover" as the taskbar item and then the FF icon goes to 2 icons  :(
[02:59] <[Relic]> think I shall reboot and see if that clears it up
[03:06] <doyle> Man. Even the yakkety-proposed has failed me. The closest I can get to two 4k monitors off a thunderbolt 3 port is Fedora KDE Spin with plasma from updates-testing
[03:11] <[Relic]> all cleared up  :)
[05:55] <[Relic]> weird that annoying time clock modifier thing is back
[07:00] <drex> hello i have installed kubuntu on asus r558uf and trackpad is not working. what to do? i already tried booting with i8042.reset and i8042.nomux=1 but no luck still its not working. please help?
[07:01] <drex> ps i am using kubuntu 16.04 lts
[07:02] <hateball> drex: it's not disabled with a hardware switch either?
[07:03] <hateball> drex: looking at http://askubuntu.com/questions/763584/elantech-touchpad-not-working-on-ubuntu-16-04-and-arch-linux someone used "i8042.kbdreset=1" instead
[07:04] <drex> hateball: i tried i8042.kbdreset=1 also its not working
[07:04] <drex> hateball: and hardware switch is on
[07:05] <drex> external mouse is working and also first time it worked but after reboot its not working
[07:07] <hateball> drex: hmmm, sorry I dont know anything about this issue really. You could try asking in #ubuntu also, since it's got more people and it's a kernel issue
[07:07] <drex> ok i will try there thanks for the info
[07:37] <SporkWitch> hateball: if you see him come back, have him try booting with acpi disabled.  Hopefully that's not it, but that is something I saw once with a Toshiba laptop and ubuntu (issues were worse with other distros, but at least with ubuntu the only issue was the touchpad wouldn't work unless you disabled ACPI features)
[07:54] <hateball> SporkWitch: cheers
[07:57] <SporkWitch> mind you that issue was back in 2010 or 2011
[07:57] <SporkWitch> i've since made a point of buying sony laptops; nice standard parts, and i've yet to run into a single hardware compatibility issue with linux
[10:54] <lali> hi
[10:54] <lordievader> o
[10:54] <lordievader> o/
[11:52] <yocs0000> I have problem: I hve an external monitor connected and I can only show the content of the laptop screen, and not haev iit as a extension. Why?
[11:52] <yocs0000> Until two weeks ago I could!
[11:53] <hateball> yocs0000: have you went into the monitor config (kscreen) and made sure the monitors are beside each other?
[11:53] <hateball> if they are laying on top of each other, it will mirror
[11:55] <yocs0000> solved!
[11:57] <yocs0000> hateball: yes, that was the issue. :)
[11:58] <yocs0000> hateball: I tried your suggestion yesterday it froze my laptop .... :)
[12:00] <hateball> yocs0000: refresh my memory
[12:01] <hateball> yocs0000: for reference, all kscreen configs are in ~/.local/share/kscreen, one file for each monitor... so if things are ever super broken you can hop to a tty and delete those files for a fresh start
[12:01] <IrcsomeBot1> reguard was removed by: reguard
[12:12] <yocs0000> hateball: no, I was referring to the apt-get install ubuntu-desktop to try out unity
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:27] <hateball> yocs0000: aha
[12:29] <yocs0000> hateball: I hated you a bit .... :D
[12:54] <hateball> yocs0000: thats nice
[13:34] <yocs0000> hateball: but then hey, no pain no gain .... or so they say! :d
[13:44] <IrcsomeBot1> reguard was added by: reguard
[13:44] <IrcsomeBot1> reguard was removed by: reguard
[13:50] <mcscruff> is there a way to stop my internet cutting out when my screen lock itself
[13:51] <SporkWitch> separate issues, to a degree.  sounds like the screen isn't locking, but rather the machine is sleeping
[13:52] <SporkWitch> locking the screen, by itself, doesn't affect network connection
[13:54] <mcscruff> it locked the screen to the login screen, maybe i caught it as it was going to sleep.  i will play with power management and get it never to sleep on mains
[13:58] <SporkWitch> that's what i'd recommend
[16:29] <shane777> i'm using two separate keyboards and both need different key mappings. I stumbled across an app that handles this, but can't recall it. Anyone got any ideas?
[16:37] <SporkWitch> why are you using different keyboards?  why not just use the built-in support for multiple layouts and toggling between them?
[16:37] <SporkWitch> it's right in the KDE settings
[17:31] <shane777> they're both connected at the same time - laptop + external
[17:39] <SporkWitch> by why different layouts?
[18:20] <shane777> not layouts
[18:20] <shane777> key mappings
[18:20] <shane777> laptop keyboard has pgup and pgdn where home and end should be
[18:20] <shane777> external keyboard was made by humans and is in the proper location
[18:24] <wojtex> hello
[18:26] <SporkWitch> shane777: so you're wanting, via software, to treat the pgup signal from the internal keyboard as home instead, but NOT do this for the external?
[18:28] <shane777> corret
[18:28] <shane777> correct
[18:29] <shane777> I think xkb may be what I was thinking of. Looking into that now
[18:29] <SporkWitch> i don't know of anything that would behave in that way.  your best bet would be to use the native tools to toggle mappings
[21:13] <xubuntu18w> hello
[21:17] <xubuntu18w> ???
[21:20] <valorie> xubuntu18w: this is a help chan -- ask your question
[21:20] <valorie> for chat, join the #kubuntu-offtopic