[00:46] <altker128> Hey all.  I'm running OTA-12 on my Nexus 4.  I notice when using the phone the microphone gain is way too high and the sound distorts.  Is there an "easy" way to adjust the microphone gain?
[06:01] <cc> good afternoon!
[06:01] <cc> how can i install Andrews simulator on a ubuntu phone?
[06:02] <cc> how to do
[13:48] <tsdgeos> is Mirv on hols or something?
[13:53] <davmor2> tsdgeos: yeap back in January
[13:54] <tsdgeos> ouch
[15:13] <Wieneke> When does ota-14 will been released?
[15:15] <Wieneke> Quit
[15:16] <Wieneke> bye
[15:16] <Wieneke> Exit
[15:25] <raph_ael> "eat flaming death"
[15:45] <davmor2> raph_ael: why thanks I do most days how else do you eat your flame grilled burgers
[16:06] <raph_ael> davmor2: it's an old joke about the editor ed https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.en.html
[17:21] <mterry> tedg: the 'unity8-session' snap is from developer 'ted' instead of 'canonical' -- we aught to change that, right?
[17:26] <nuboro> hello
[17:27] <nuboro> i would like to get ubuntu touch on a nexus 5X
[17:32] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, hey again, just a follow up moving back those libertine binaries to universe unblock the migration and it's in zesty now
[17:32] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Yes, I saw that.  Thank you very much!
[17:33] <seb128> yw!
[17:34] <mterry> tedg: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8-desktop-session/snap-install-idempotent/+merge/311520
[17:34] <tedg> mterry: Wait, no, it's "ted" because that's my insurance, they can never fire me! </evil laugh>
[17:35] <tedg> mterry: We need to move the branch too. Like for instance only core-devs or the desktop-team should be able to edit the yaml as well.
[17:36] <tedg> mterry: So it needs some "governance formalization" at some point
[17:37] <tedg> mterry: You probably need to update the man page as well with the updated behavior.
[17:38] <tedg> mterry: In my experience, ChrisTownsend is a pain about that :-)
[17:38] <mterry> tedg: the man page doesn't have any conflicting information
[17:38] <mterry> tedg: only says "Install the Unity8 session snap with the proper arguments passed to the snap command"
[17:38] <tedg> Haha, I guess I was vague enough then ;-)
[17:38] <mterry> :)
[17:38] <tedg> Future-proof via uncertainty
[17:38] <mterry> future proofing
[17:38] <mterry> heh
[17:38] <ChrisTownsend> lol
[17:39] <ChrisTownsend> Not a stickler about the manpage for sure.  Just wanted to shut lintian up.
[17:39] <mterry> tedg: I kinda wish that whole script was simply "snap install $@"...  and have snap handle the different cases.  But ah well
[17:39] <ChrisTownsend> Although bregma may have a problem with using bash in that script:)
[17:40] <mterry> oh yeah?  I think I did that for easier coloring with echo.  I know there's a posix way too, but I didn't think it mattered enough for me to look it up. But am happy to do so
[17:41] <ChrisTownsend> mterry: Personally, it doesn't matter to me, but he's made comments about that before, but we'll wait on his feedback so he can speak for himself.
[17:52] <mterry> ChrisTownsend: ok you bash-shamed me into fixing it
[17:52] <ChrisTownsend> mterry: lol, ok
[17:57] <mterry> tedg: is there a terminal snap already?
[17:57] <mterry> I couldn't guess its name
[17:57] <mterry> And I don't know how to find edge snaps besides just guessing
[17:57] <mterry> Oh I lied
[17:57] <mterry> I just didn't pass --devmode last time
[17:57] <mterry> *sigh*
[17:58] <tedg> mterry: Yes, that's a pain :-/
[17:58] <tedg> mterry: echo gallery-app camera-app webbrowser-app address-book-app messaging-app dialer-app ubuntu-calendar-app ubuntu-clock-app ubuntu-filemanager-app ubuntu-terminal-app | xargs -n 1 snap install --edge --devmode
[17:59] <mterry> tedg: eh I was thinking just browser, terminal, and filemanager?
[17:59] <mterry> or do we want to do a full thing?
[18:01] <tedg> mterry: I don't have a strong opinion there.
[18:01] <tedg> bfiller: Do you have an idea on which apps should be included?
[18:02] <bfiller> tedg, I think all of them except for maybe not dialer and messaging which are useless on desktop currently
[18:02] <tedg> mterry: ^
[18:02] <mterry> k
[18:03] <bfiller> we're working on Notes app snap so when that's done will be a good candidate too
[18:03] <bfiller> mterry, tedg : oh yeah musicplayer-app would be good as well, think that is in edge store
[18:05] <bfiller> mterry, and ubuntu-calculator-app
[18:06] <bfiller> I've heard dekko snap is available but haven't tried that either
[18:06] <bfiller> s/either/yet
[18:12] <mterry> bfiller: musicplayer-app doesn't seem to be in store
[18:12] <bfiller> ahayzen, ^^^ thought we uploaded this? can't remeber
[18:13] <ahayzen> bfiller, music-app was awaiting media-hub interface
[18:13] <bfiller> ahayzen, ok
[18:14] <bfiller> ahayzen, didn't we have it working in devmode?
[18:14] <ahayzen> and clarification of the mediascanner / media storage situation ... i got it working with mediascanner running inside my snap, but that probably needs to be higher up
[18:14] <ahayzen> bfiller, hmmm i'd have to check, it might have been working in devmode but without media-hub
[18:15] <ahayzen> i seem to remember even in devmode it'd get confused where media-hub-server was to connect to
[18:15] <bfiller> mterry, is media-hub running in unity8 snap?
[18:16] <mterry> bfiller: yes
[18:16] <ahayzen> ok maybe i just need to try things again, as everything has moved on quite a bit since we last tried :-)
[18:16] <bfiller> mterry, do we know if it "works", as in all the path issues sorted with it?
[18:16] <mterry> bfiller: no sound or video is played...  but it's running
[18:17] <mterry> bfiller: we don't believe it itself is problematic. Something with pulseaudio for sound.  Video is just because it doesn't have a non-android video backend
[18:18] <bfiller> ahayzen, might be worth trying your snap version with mediascanner embedded in it in unity8 snap session to see where it falls short
[18:18] <bfiller> (once we can launch snaps again)
[18:19] <ahayzen> bfiller, yeah i'll see what i can do :-)
[18:21] <mterry> tedg: ok I just dropped terminal & contacts from built-in u8 snap.  Figure we can just use snaps for those.  I know we can't launch them quite yet, but that's coming
[18:22] <jhodapp> ahayzen, were you able to try with my new interface for media-hub?
[18:22] <jhodapp> ahayzen, I still am going through a review/fix cycle with the snapd team to get that landed
[18:22] <ahayzen> jhodapp, not yet, i was having trouble building it/the vm to run it in IIRC
[18:23] <jhodapp> ahayzen, yeah I had that too, that's why I ran it locally although I'd ping zyga about why it wasn't working in the VM as using it locally is dangerous if you value the stock snapd database :)
[18:23] <jhodapp> as I painfully discovered
[18:24] <bfiller> jhodapp, have you tried media-hub service in unity8 snap yet, without snapd interface? would be great to get that working
[18:25] <jhodapp> bfiller, I haven't, I've not tried out the unity8 snap at all myself yet
[18:26] <jhodapp> bfiller, if someone can give me a rundown of how it's not working (maybe file a bug for media-hub related to it), I can get that scheduled for our backlog
[18:31] <ahayzen> jhodapp, once i'm able to launch snaps inside the unity8 snap, i'll see what happens to the existing music-app snap (if it is able to find media-hub etc) and let you know
[18:32] <jhodapp> ahayzen, perfect...thanks
[18:47] <bfiller> jhodapp, according to mterry sounds like the issues maybe pulse related not specific to media-hub but it needs to be tested
[18:48] <jhodapp> bfiller, ok interesting...wouldn't be the first time we've had pulse issues ;)
[18:48] <bfiller> jhodapp, and what backend does media-hub use for video on desktop? need to make sure that is working
[18:48] <jhodapp> bfiller, it doesn't do hardware accelerated video decoding on the desktop yet
[18:49] <jhodapp> that's something we'll be starting for research this next sprint for my team
[18:49] <bfiller> jhodapp, will mediaplayer-app work in it's current state as it just uses QtMultimedia classes? not sure how that is plumbed into media-hub
[18:49] <bfiller> on desktop
[18:50] <jhodapp> bfiller, if you don't have qtubuntu-media installed, then mediaplayer-app will just use the QtMultimedia backend that directly uses gstreamer
[18:50] <jhodapp> it won't even touch media-hub
[18:50] <bfiller> jhodapp, ok cool
[18:50] <jhodapp> it'll play video software decoded as well
[18:50] <bfiller> renato__, ^^^ are you seeing this working?
[18:52] <renato__> bfiller, this is what I am trying to test right now. I can confirm that is trying to use gst but I can not say that is able to play any video yet
[18:53] <renato__> bfiller, it will use gst and gst has some hw decode too. right jhodapp ?
[18:53] <jhodapp> renato__, it can, depending on what codecs you have installed and your system hardware, but that's a big if
[18:54] <jhodapp> renato__, the new research story that my team will be doing is trying to solve this to make it as reliable as on the phone
[18:54] <jhodapp> it should just work for all reasonable/reference hardware
[18:54] <renato__> jhodapp, would be nice to play more than one video on desktop
[18:55] <jhodapp> renato__, indeed, and also not have it kill your battery
[18:55] <renato__> jhodapp, unity8 session install these pakcages: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23518317/
[18:56] <jhodapp> renato__, that looks good
[18:56] <renato__> yes I think this is enough. I just need to find a way to open a video on unity8 snap
[18:56] <renato__> :D
[18:57] <bfiller> renato__, I'm trying to figure that out for gallery as well. what dirs does it have access to? only under it's own area?
[18:57] <bfiller> or xdg?
[18:57] <renato__> bfiller, it should have to Pictures (xdg)
[18:58] <bfiller> renato__, so mediaplayer has access to Videos then right? can't you put a video there to test?
[18:58] <renato__> bfiller, mp does not scan for video as gallery does.
[18:59] <bfiller> renato__, the dialog should let you pick it
[19:00] <renato__> bfiller, the dialog does not appear on a mir session.
[19:00] <bfiller> renato__, how come?
[19:00] <renato__> bfiller, it checks if is running on a mir session and intead of file picker it shows the message dialog saying that you need to click on a video
[19:01] <bfiller> renato__, maybe change it to always show the dialog if launched without url
[19:02] <bfiller> should be safe
[19:02] <renato__> bfiller, ok this I can do do easy
[19:02] <bfiller> at least lets test that and see how it works
[19:05] <jhodapp> renato__, good luck :)
[21:07] <bfiller> jhodapp, is qtubuntu-media needed at all on desktop for audio? it's currently pulled into unity8 snap and think it's preventing video from playing via gstreamer
[21:08] <jhodapp> bfiller, it's only needed when you want audio/video to go through media-hub...without it you can still play audio/video, it just won't involve media-hub
[21:09] <bfiller> jhodapp, what if we want audio to go through hub but not video?
[21:09] <jhodapp> bfiller, currently not possible
[21:10] <jhodapp> that's because of the way QtMultimedia designed their classes
[21:14] <bfiller> jhodapp, whats the benefit of desktop using media-hub for audio?
[21:30] <jhodapp> bfiller, coordination of playback sessions and being able to intelligently pause like on the phone as well as (eventually) hardware acceleration of video decoding
[21:31] <jhodapp> bfiller, also a confined separation between client and codec
[22:00] <mterry> tedg: so I want to add some legacy (non-Touch) apps to the snap, like libreoffice or firefox.  Is there a magic hack to get them to launch as xmir apps?