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OerHeksBashing-om, i still wonder about that cat /etc/lsb-release.dpkg-dist , http://paste.ubuntu.com/23519642/01:35
Bashing-omOerHeks: Yeah, got me too .. as I ran it in 14.04 .., DNE .01:50
Bashing-omOne thing about working support, we often wind up with more questions than we answer :)02:01
OerHekshttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-22/no-evidence-of-aloe-vera-found-in-the-aloe-vera-at-wal-mart-cvs02:07
OerHeks#aloeveragate02:07
Bashing-omNow why Am I Not surprised - truth in advertising - NOT .02:09
daftykinsaloe aloe aloe, said the policeman investigating ;)02:26
Bashing-omThere is something vera wrong here .02:27
daftykins:D02:29
Bashing-omBoy, an hour on the channel, with no activity .. times are getting hard for us volunteers :(03:10
daftykinsbest break a few installs so you have something to fix!03:14
OerHeksadd a lot of ppa's03:14
daftykinsooh and then hit upgrade!03:16
Bashing-omOH .. It took me the longest to learn not to do that !03:16
OerHeks-d03:16
lotuspsychjegood morning to all06:07
Wirehunterlotuspsychje,  Good afternoon06:19
daftykinshallo \o06:20
lotuspsychjehey daftykins06:22
lotuspsychjehey Wirehunter06:22
lotuspsychjeits rainy here06:22
daftykinsd'aww, i hear nothing atm06:24
daftykinsand no light!06:24
lotuspsychje:p06:29
lotuspsychjeanyone knows a lightweight browser that doesnt get that cpu is too old warning?06:40
lotuspsychjeits for an old acer laptop06:40
lotuspsychjetested chrome,firefox and opera, they all got that warning06:43
ducassehi all07:13
lotuspsychjehey ducasse07:19
ducassegood morning, lotuspsychje - how is life?07:21
lotuspsychjegreat here mate, day off xmass shopping today :p07:21
ducasseaha, i'm thinking of doing that tomorrow.07:22
lotuspsychjetoo avoid the mass crowds :p07:25
ducassei hate that too, i usually try to get it over with early.07:26
lotuspsychjeducasse: great idea :p07:30
lotuspsychjeducasse: laterz mate and have a nice day07:30
ducasseyou too, lotuspsychje - talk later07:31
lotuspsychjeone day we will have a normal conversation lol07:31
ducasse:)07:31
BluesKajHiyas all11:37
daftykinsgood morning \o11:37
ducasseo/11:38
daftykinsah hey ducasse \o11:39
BluesKaj"Morning daftykinsm ducasse11:39
BluesKajer daftykins11:39
ducassesun and warm today, almost all the snow is gone \o/11:41
daftykinsso soon! :)11:41
ducassei'm sure there will be lots more :(11:42
daftykinspostie brought me Fallout 4 today, cost me all of £12.5011:42
ducassethat's not bad at all.11:43
daftykinsquite amusing because it's a DVD copy, but it has a steam key - so it can copy over 4.5GB then download the remaining 20GB :D11:44
ducasseduh!11:44
daftykinsapparently it was a pirating measure11:44
daftykinser anti-pirating even :)11:44
ducasselol11:44
daftykinsYARR!11:45
ducassedrm sucks, in any case. thankfully it seems a lot of people are starting to realize that now.11:46
daftykinsi've heard the argument that it makes more sense to buy a games console as a bluray player now, because they can keep releasing fixes for the app e.g. on the xbox one, instead of firmware updates for a consumer player11:47
daftykinsmakes a lot of sense11:47
ducasseit does. i had a standalone bluray player, but gave it away. still have a bluray writer in my desktop, handy sometimes.11:49
ducassedaftykins: do you know much about arm boards?11:52
daftykinsno sir11:52
ducasseme nether. just looking at what is available, but i don't know which are any good.11:54
ducasse*neither11:54
daftykinswhat's the task?11:55
ducassei want a light desktop with low power consumption and minimal space requirements for my living room.11:56
ducassejust for web, mail, irc etc11:56
daftykinsi'm waiting to see prices on the intel atom apollo lake type NUCs11:56
daftykinsthose'll be #1 HTPCs and fit that role well :)11:57
daftykinsfull 10-bit HEVC decode and encode support to boot!11:57
ducasseoooh, i'd lov a nuc11:57
ducassenot now, though, looking for an amplifier and that's the budget-buster for this month :)11:59
daftykins^_^12:00
daftykinsstereo musics only?12:00
daftykinsstill enjoying my NAD :>12:00
daftykinsi really wish the PSU in it didn't give an idle whine though, i have it run overnight so i wake up to internet radio - bit less than ideal, but bearable12:01
ducasseyes, just stereo. i'm looking at a nice one with built-in dac from a local shop, since i'll mainly be using it to play flac and mp312:01
daftykins*nod*12:02
daftykinsdid y'hear about what.cd? :(12:02
daftykinsvery sad times12:02
ducassetaken down? never used it.12:02
daftykinsah, twas a thing of beauty12:02
ducassei'm still angry about kat :(12:03
daftykins*shrug* dirty public ones are a dime a dozen :)12:03
BluesKajducasse, what kind of amp are you looking at?12:04
ducasselocal company12:04
ducasseit's quite small and not very powerful, but i don't need much. it just has two digital inputs and one analog, which is perfect for me.12:06
daftykinssounds good12:06
daftykins18 mins to download Fallout still, my my12:07
daftykins5MB/sec and it's still not enough ;)12:07
BluesKajmy HK receiver is rated at only 40W RMS/ch and it can play plenty loud with the Paradigm speakers12:07
ducassei'll combine it with a raspberry pi and mpd, voila music player :)12:07
BluesKajright12:08
ducassethos is just 20, i think, but it will drive my kef bookshelf speakers.12:08
ducassei *could* also get an analog nad or something with more watts, but then i'll need a separate dac at some point12:09
BluesKajKEF used to be a real power eaters back in the day12:10
* daftykins has a pi in the lounge feeding his Onkyo AVR over HDMI12:10
BluesKajserarate dacs aren't worth the money if you're going t listen to streaming audio12:11
BluesKajseparate12:11
daftykinswell he mentioned FLAC so all is well :D12:12
daftykinscan get some nice 24 bit 96kHz vinyl ripped stuff in FLAC12:12
ducassenot streaming, files. mostly flac or apple lossless.12:12
daftykinseww ALAC, get out :)12:12
ducassethat's the minority :)12:13
daftykinsmust say a certain digit of mine was extended when i first saw a clients iTunes wanting to convert FLAC to ALAC12:13
ducassesome of the ones i didn't rip myself, so to speak :)12:13
BluesKajI've converted all my FLACs to wav ...less processing needed12:15
BluesKajno need for any kind of compression, lossless or not nowadays12:16
ducasseflac shouldn't be a problem for an rpi2, i'd guess.12:16
ducasseBluesKaj: are you using your rpi to play them? through what software?12:19
BluesKajthinking of connecting the rpi to a monitor and speaker system in the den/office12:19
BluesKajducasse, no the media HTPC has an outboard drive with all the media on it12:20
ducasseah, ok. and that runs kodi?12:20
BluesKajyes, I have kodi on both the HTPC and the rpi12:21
daftykinsFLAC is about having the metadata though12:22
daftykinsuseless playing wav and having none :>12:22
ducassei hope to avoid a display on mine, so mpd looks like the best choice12:22
ducassegood point12:22
BluesKajI need to do rearranging in my den to set the rpi up properly, just have to get off my butt to do it  :-)12:23
ducassehehe, familiar problem :) i've been meaning to clear up cables etc around the routers for weeks now :)12:25
BluesKajheh, there'a little more than just a few cables deal witrh in my case12:27
ducassethen you are more justified than i am :)12:27
ducassei also need to replace the root disk in my server, but actually doing it is a major hassle...12:28
BluesKajbookshelves full of outdated apps etc on cds and dvds and old stereo amps and other junk that has to be thown out or recycled12:29
ducassesounds fun12:31
BluesKajyeah, wife has been after me for weeks now to clear it out12:32
BluesKajnow that winter is settling in I'll have time12:33
BluesKajlooking forward to new setup though12:34
ducassei've got a small storage room where i keep the server and lots of junk. it'd be nice to clear that out and get stuff properly on shelves etc.12:35
lotuspsychjegood afternoon to all15:06
BluesKajhi lotuspsychje15:07
lotuspsychjehey there BluesKaj15:07
BluesKajhey pauljw15:07
pauljwhi BluesKaj :)15:08
pauljwHi everyone15:08
lotuspsychjehey pauljw15:10
lotuspsychjeyou guys experienced that cpu too old error on any browser yet on old machines?15:11
lotuspsychjeforgot its name15:11
pauljwnot yet, what's old?15:11
lotuspsychjeive tested opera, firefox, IE and chrome, all gave me that error15:11
lotuspsychjepauljw: acer laptop15:12
lotuspsychjeaspire older type, not sure wich cpu anymore15:13
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lotuspsychjei should have written it down15:14
pauljwwell, i have a 2011 Acer AspireOne w/Intel Atom dual core processor that I just fired up and Firefox is working just fine, no errors.15:15
lotuspsychjehttps://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/your-hardware-no-longer-supported15:16
lotuspsychjethink thats the warning i had15:16
pauljwhmmm15:16
lotuspsychjeso many machines have p4 or lower right15:16
daftykinsPentium M perhaps? :)15:17
daftykinsalso hi \o15:17
lotuspsychjehey daftykins15:17
pauljwhi daftykins15:18
pauljwyeah, lotuspsychje, i don't know where the Atom processor falls in modernity of cpu's.15:18
lotuspsychjeso i guess an older browser would do the trick..15:18
daftykinsthere are quite a number of them (atoms)15:18
lotuspsychjebut then safety of the browser lacks15:19
daftykinsyou can't run an older browser though chief, once Mozilla have given up it's irresponsible to use it online - time to ditch it15:19
lotuspsychjeso i thought15:19
pauljwmine is running FF 50.0 fully up to date on xubuntu 16.0415:20
pauljwlucky for me i guess...15:20
daftykins:)15:20
lotuspsychjeit was on a w7 acer aspire, lubuntu didnt like the machine lol15:21
lotuspsychjeso i couldnt test chromium15:21
daftykinshmm can't have come with 715:21
lotuspsychjedaftykins: no it came with ME, but i putted 7 on it15:22
daftykinsfrom the factory i mean15:22
daftykinsoooooouch! :)15:22
lotuspsychjelol15:22
pauljwoh, must be a bit older than mine, mine had win7 starter originally.15:22
lotuspsychjeyeah if lubuntu cant run it...its very ancient :p15:22
daftykinswell you guys know my feelings, lubuntu does not polish a turd - some have to be let go15:22
lotuspsychjelol15:23
pauljwlol15:23
lotuspsychjedaftykins: ! never throw away a working box15:23
daftykinssir i gave away core 2 duo laptops with 4GB RAM and SSDs :)15:23
lotuspsychjei would rather make it a calculator pc out of it, then throw it away15:23
daftykinsbut then they said they might find their way to Africa if they couldn't be used15:23
lotuspsychjeloll15:23
ducassehi lotuspsychje - finished xmas shopping? :)15:24
lotuspsychjeducasse: yeah mate, we found quiet a bit today15:24
lotuspsychjenot all, but the booze and some gifts15:24
daftykins:D15:25
* lotuspsychje wants a retro atari for xmass to play pong15:25
ducassedaftykins: what do you think about this? https://www.amazon.com/Musical-Fidelity-V90-AMP-USB-Integrated/dp/B00H54F9R815:26
daftykinshmm totally beyond my skill set i'm afraid15:27
daftykinssays made in england though, so it can't be snake oil ;)15:27
lotuspsychjeme neither15:27
lotuspsychjeducasse: whats the purpose gonna be?15:28
ducassewell - amplifier for playing music :) from rpi, probably, mainly flac.15:28
lotuspsychjecool15:31
lotuspsychjewe are thinking of buying a portable internet radio15:34
lotuspsychjeto play everywhere in our new house15:34
daftykinso015:34
lotuspsychjeboth wifi and cable would be nice15:35
lotuspsychjeand usb support of course15:35
ducassewhen these things have usb ports, do they function basically as an external sound card?15:36
daftykinsthink so15:37
ducasseaaargh! incoming attention-seeking fur missile!15:38
lotuspsychjelol15:38
lotuspsychjeducasse: anyone we know?15:38
ducasseshe jumped up behind the laptop and tried to hang on to tne screen :)15:39
lotuspsychjeheeere kitty15:39
daftykins:D15:42
ducasseok, so i'll need drivers to use usb? not that big a deal since it has optical, i guess.15:43
daftykinsMischief says "i could do that but i'm too busy enjoying grooms" http://i.imgur.com/1Fuu02I.jpg15:43
lotuspsychjecool pic :p15:44
ducassed'awww15:44
daftykins:D15:44
ducassei tried to take a oic of her now, but that was _not_ acceptable :)15:46
ducasse*pic15:46
lotuspsychjelol15:48
lotuspsychje!info xpra16:45
ubot5`xpra (source: xpra): tool to detach/reattach running X programs. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.15.8+dfsg-1 (xenial), package size 1046 kB, installed size 4717 kB16:45
lotuspsychjecool16:45
lotuspsychjenever heard of it16:45
ducassecan be handy16:46
lotuspsychjei loved sux, too bad they depraced it16:47
lotuspsychje!info sux precise16:47
ubot5`sux (source: sux): wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-6 (precise), package size 9 kB, installed size 64 kB16:47
ducasselotuspsychje: what do you think about this? https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hometheater/receivers/avrx100016:48
lotuspsychjelemme check16:48
lotuspsychjeducasse: lookin neat!16:49
ducassei thought so too. more expensive than intended, but i can get it brand new for about $200-25016:50
lotuspsychjeethernet and internet radio i like16:50
lotuspsychjeservices like spotify and apps support, not so much..but i guess all devices are trying to these days16:51
ducassedon't need that, but it has hdmi, coax/spdif etc16:51
lotuspsychjeyeah basics are great16:52
ducassea bit overkill, really, but... *shrug* :)16:53
ducasseoooh! network controllable, i just *know* there will be a linux client on github :D16:56
lotuspsychje;p16:56
lotuspsychjehttps://www.lifewire.com/best-home-theater-starter-kits-to-buy-406269216:58
ducassehome theater isn't really what i need, all i care about is audio :) the hdmi part is just a bonus, since there are so few hdmi ports on most tv's.17:00
ducasseinstallation finished \o/17:01
lotuspsychjeducasse: the receiver only then?17:03
lotuspsychjeomg http://www.onkyousa.com/Products/model.php?m=TX-RZ3100&class=Receiver&source=prodClass 3199$17:03
ducassethat's $3000 more than what i'm looking at :)17:04
ducasseit looks *nice*, though :)17:05
lotuspsychjelol17:05
ducassearch now installed on desktop, think i'll wait until the morning to reboot :)17:07
lotuspsychjecool17:07
lotuspsychjeducasse: http://www.themasterswitch.com/best-av-receivers17:08
ducassejeez, NixkorN has just been behaving like a total asshole this whole day17:08
lotuspsychjeducasse: i also dont like BT as connectivity on such devices17:13
ducassei don't see the point of it :)17:14
lotuspsychjeaudio in/out, eth and usb :p17:15
lotuspsychjeand hdmi of course17:15
ducassei basically just want a nice amp, but one with built-in dac and digital inputs. the denon thingy looks like the best i can get for my money, and will also be decent for a home theater setup if i ever want one.17:17
lotuspsychjeyeah denon looks pretty neat17:17
ducasseit's a woman seling them, not far from me. she said it's just been sitting in the box, never opened.17:19
lotuspsychjenice17:20
lotuspsychjethen plugin a nice bredsbandbolaget in it :p17:20
ducassenow he's rude to you, too.17:21
lotuspsychjeill sack him pretty soon :p17:21
ducasse:)17:22
BluesKajyes ducasse, denon is decent quality equipment17:28
ducassei know, this looks like a decent choice that is somewhat future-proof for my needs.17:29
ducassethink i'll call tomorrow.17:29
BluesKajI've had my HK since 2008 and it hasn't missed a beat ....knocks on wood :-)17:31
ducasseit usually pays to buy good-quality stuff. the only thing this lacks is preout, but that's not a big issue with my economy :)17:32
BluesKajbut I've had 3 other HK receivers and amps over the yrs, eventually they all get old and caps dry out etc17:32
ducasseeventually, but that can be a long time. a friend of mine is still using his nad 3020, that must be 20 years old.17:33
BluesKajmy Heathkit AA29 that I put together as a kit back in 1972 still runs well, a little noisy when switching sources, but otherwise sounds great17:36
BluesKajoutlasted all the Harman Kardon stuff17:38
BluesKajok, gotta run a few errands ...BBL17:39
ducassettyl BluesKaj17:40
lotuspsychjesame here movietime guys17:40
pauljw:)17:40
ducasse♫ 99 little trolls on the wall, 99 little trolls... ♫18:04
BluesKajtomtegubbar :-)19:28
ducasse:)19:30
ducassethis was a nasty one, though. a tomte is usually friendly :)19:31
lotuspsychjecheers guys, have a good troll night :p19:31
lotuspsychjemovie nr 2 here :p19:31
ducasseyou too, lotuspsychje. might order a pizza here before night :)19:32
lotuspsychjeyummy19:32
lotuspsychjelaterz ; )19:32
romelioshola20:18

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