[01:35] Bashing-om, i still wonder about that cat /etc/lsb-release.dpkg-dist , http://paste.ubuntu.com/23519642/ [01:50] OerHeks: Yeah, got me too .. as I ran it in 14.04 .., DNE . [02:01] One thing about working support, we often wind up with more questions than we answer :) [02:07] http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-22/no-evidence-of-aloe-vera-found-in-the-aloe-vera-at-wal-mart-cvs [02:07] #aloeveragate [02:09] Now why Am I Not surprised - truth in advertising - NOT . [02:26] aloe aloe aloe, said the policeman investigating ;) [02:27] There is something vera wrong here . [02:29] :D [03:10] Boy, an hour on the channel, with no activity .. times are getting hard for us volunteers :( [03:14] best break a few installs so you have something to fix! [03:14] add a lot of ppa's [03:16] ooh and then hit upgrade! [03:16] OH .. It took me the longest to learn not to do that ! [03:16] -d [06:07] good morning to all [06:19] lotuspsychje, Good afternoon [06:20] hallo \o [06:22] hey daftykins [06:22] hey Wirehunter [06:22] its rainy here [06:24] d'aww, i hear nothing atm [06:24] and no light! [06:29] :p [06:40] anyone knows a lightweight browser that doesnt get that cpu is too old warning? [06:40] its for an old acer laptop [06:43] tested chrome,firefox and opera, they all got that warning [07:13] hi all [07:19] hey ducasse [07:21] good morning, lotuspsychje - how is life? [07:21] great here mate, day off xmass shopping today :p [07:22] aha, i'm thinking of doing that tomorrow. [07:25] too avoid the mass crowds :p [07:26] i hate that too, i usually try to get it over with early. [07:30] ducasse: great idea :p [07:30] ducasse: laterz mate and have a nice day [07:31] you too, lotuspsychje - talk later [07:31] one day we will have a normal conversation lol [07:31] :) [11:37] Hiyas all [11:37] good morning \o [11:38] o/ [11:39] ah hey ducasse \o [11:39] "Morning daftykinsm ducasse [11:39] er daftykins [11:41] sun and warm today, almost all the snow is gone \o/ [11:41] so soon! :) [11:42] i'm sure there will be lots more :( [11:42] postie brought me Fallout 4 today, cost me all of £12.50 [11:43] that's not bad at all. [11:44] quite amusing because it's a DVD copy, but it has a steam key - so it can copy over 4.5GB then download the remaining 20GB :D [11:44] duh! [11:44] apparently it was a pirating measure [11:44] er anti-pirating even :) [11:44] lol [11:45] YARR! [11:46] drm sucks, in any case. thankfully it seems a lot of people are starting to realize that now. [11:47] i've heard the argument that it makes more sense to buy a games console as a bluray player now, because they can keep releasing fixes for the app e.g. on the xbox one, instead of firmware updates for a consumer player [11:47] makes a lot of sense [11:49] it does. i had a standalone bluray player, but gave it away. still have a bluray writer in my desktop, handy sometimes. [11:52] daftykins: do you know much about arm boards? [11:52] no sir [11:54] me nether. just looking at what is available, but i don't know which are any good. [11:54] *neither [11:55] what's the task? [11:56] i want a light desktop with low power consumption and minimal space requirements for my living room. [11:56] just for web, mail, irc etc [11:56] i'm waiting to see prices on the intel atom apollo lake type NUCs [11:57] those'll be #1 HTPCs and fit that role well :) [11:57] full 10-bit HEVC decode and encode support to boot! [11:57] oooh, i'd lov a nuc [11:59] not now, though, looking for an amplifier and that's the budget-buster for this month :) [12:00] ^_^ [12:00] stereo musics only? [12:00] still enjoying my NAD :> [12:01] i really wish the PSU in it didn't give an idle whine though, i have it run overnight so i wake up to internet radio - bit less than ideal, but bearable [12:01] yes, just stereo. i'm looking at a nice one with built-in dac from a local shop, since i'll mainly be using it to play flac and mp3 [12:02] *nod* [12:02] did y'hear about what.cd? :( [12:02] very sad times [12:02] taken down? never used it. [12:02] ah, twas a thing of beauty [12:03] i'm still angry about kat :( [12:03] *shrug* dirty public ones are a dime a dozen :) [12:04] ducasse, what kind of amp are you looking at? [12:04] local company [12:06] it's quite small and not very powerful, but i don't need much. it just has two digital inputs and one analog, which is perfect for me. [12:06] sounds good [12:07] 18 mins to download Fallout still, my my [12:07] 5MB/sec and it's still not enough ;) [12:07] my HK receiver is rated at only 40W RMS/ch and it can play plenty loud with the Paradigm speakers [12:07] i'll combine it with a raspberry pi and mpd, voila music player :) [12:08] right [12:08] thos is just 20, i think, but it will drive my kef bookshelf speakers. [12:09] i *could* also get an analog nad or something with more watts, but then i'll need a separate dac at some point [12:10] KEF used to be a real power eaters back in the day [12:10] * daftykins has a pi in the lounge feeding his Onkyo AVR over HDMI [12:11] serarate dacs aren't worth the money if you're going t listen to streaming audio [12:11] separate [12:12] well he mentioned FLAC so all is well :D [12:12] can get some nice 24 bit 96kHz vinyl ripped stuff in FLAC [12:12] not streaming, files. mostly flac or apple lossless. [12:12] eww ALAC, get out :) [12:13] that's the minority :) [12:13] must say a certain digit of mine was extended when i first saw a clients iTunes wanting to convert FLAC to ALAC [12:13] some of the ones i didn't rip myself, so to speak :) [12:15] I've converted all my FLACs to wav ...less processing needed [12:16] no need for any kind of compression, lossless or not nowadays [12:16] flac shouldn't be a problem for an rpi2, i'd guess. [12:19] BluesKaj: are you using your rpi to play them? through what software? [12:19] thinking of connecting the rpi to a monitor and speaker system in the den/office [12:20] ducasse, no the media HTPC has an outboard drive with all the media on it [12:20] ah, ok. and that runs kodi? [12:21] yes, I have kodi on both the HTPC and the rpi [12:22] FLAC is about having the metadata though [12:22] useless playing wav and having none :> [12:22] i hope to avoid a display on mine, so mpd looks like the best choice [12:22] good point [12:23] I need to do rearranging in my den to set the rpi up properly, just have to get off my butt to do it :-) [12:25] hehe, familiar problem :) i've been meaning to clear up cables etc around the routers for weeks now :) [12:27] heh, there'a little more than just a few cables deal witrh in my case [12:27] then you are more justified than i am :) [12:28] i also need to replace the root disk in my server, but actually doing it is a major hassle... [12:29] bookshelves full of outdated apps etc on cds and dvds and old stereo amps and other junk that has to be thown out or recycled [12:31] sounds fun [12:32] yeah, wife has been after me for weeks now to clear it out [12:33] now that winter is settling in I'll have time [12:34] looking forward to new setup though [12:35] i've got a small storage room where i keep the server and lots of junk. it'd be nice to clear that out and get stuff properly on shelves etc. [15:06] good afternoon to all [15:07] hi lotuspsychje [15:07] hey there BluesKaj [15:07] hey pauljw [15:08] hi BluesKaj :) [15:08] Hi everyone [15:10] hey pauljw [15:11] you guys experienced that cpu too old error on any browser yet on old machines? [15:11] forgot its name [15:11] not yet, what's old? [15:11] ive tested opera, firefox, IE and chrome, all gave me that error [15:12] pauljw: acer laptop [15:13] aspire older type, not sure wich cpu anymore === JanC_ is now known as JanC [15:14] i should have written it down [15:15] well, i have a 2011 Acer AspireOne w/Intel Atom dual core processor that I just fired up and Firefox is working just fine, no errors. [15:16] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/your-hardware-no-longer-supported [15:16] think thats the warning i had [15:16] hmmm [15:16] so many machines have p4 or lower right [15:17] Pentium M perhaps? :) [15:17] also hi \o [15:17] hey daftykins [15:18] hi daftykins [15:18] yeah, lotuspsychje, i don't know where the Atom processor falls in modernity of cpu's. [15:18] so i guess an older browser would do the trick.. [15:18] there are quite a number of them (atoms) [15:19] but then safety of the browser lacks [15:19] you can't run an older browser though chief, once Mozilla have given up it's irresponsible to use it online - time to ditch it [15:19] so i thought [15:20] mine is running FF 50.0 fully up to date on xubuntu 16.04 [15:20] lucky for me i guess... [15:20] :) [15:21] it was on a w7 acer aspire, lubuntu didnt like the machine lol [15:21] so i couldnt test chromium [15:21] hmm can't have come with 7 [15:22] daftykins: no it came with ME, but i putted 7 on it [15:22] from the factory i mean [15:22] oooooouch! :) [15:22] lol [15:22] oh, must be a bit older than mine, mine had win7 starter originally. [15:22] yeah if lubuntu cant run it...its very ancient :p [15:22] well you guys know my feelings, lubuntu does not polish a turd - some have to be let go [15:23] lol [15:23] lol [15:23] daftykins: ! never throw away a working box [15:23] sir i gave away core 2 duo laptops with 4GB RAM and SSDs :) [15:23] i would rather make it a calculator pc out of it, then throw it away [15:23] but then they said they might find their way to Africa if they couldn't be used [15:23] loll [15:24] hi lotuspsychje - finished xmas shopping? :) [15:24] ducasse: yeah mate, we found quiet a bit today [15:24] not all, but the booze and some gifts [15:25] :D [15:25] * lotuspsychje wants a retro atari for xmass to play pong [15:26] daftykins: what do you think about this? https://www.amazon.com/Musical-Fidelity-V90-AMP-USB-Integrated/dp/B00H54F9R8 [15:27] hmm totally beyond my skill set i'm afraid [15:27] says made in england though, so it can't be snake oil ;) [15:27] me neither [15:28] ducasse: whats the purpose gonna be? [15:28] well - amplifier for playing music :) from rpi, probably, mainly flac. [15:31] cool [15:34] we are thinking of buying a portable internet radio [15:34] to play everywhere in our new house [15:34] o0 [15:35] both wifi and cable would be nice [15:35] and usb support of course [15:36] when these things have usb ports, do they function basically as an external sound card? [15:37] think so [15:38] aaargh! incoming attention-seeking fur missile! [15:38] lol [15:38] ducasse: anyone we know? [15:39] she jumped up behind the laptop and tried to hang on to tne screen :) [15:39] heeere kitty [15:42] :D [15:43] ok, so i'll need drivers to use usb? not that big a deal since it has optical, i guess. [15:43] Mischief says "i could do that but i'm too busy enjoying grooms" http://i.imgur.com/1Fuu02I.jpg [15:44] cool pic :p [15:44] d'awww [15:44] :D [15:46] i tried to take a oic of her now, but that was _not_ acceptable :) [15:46] *pic [15:48] lol [16:45] !info xpra [16:45] xpra (source: xpra): tool to detach/reattach running X programs. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.15.8+dfsg-1 (xenial), package size 1046 kB, installed size 4717 kB [16:45] cool [16:45] never heard of it [16:46] can be handy [16:47] i loved sux, too bad they depraced it [16:47] !info sux precise [16:47] sux (source: sux): wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-6 (precise), package size 9 kB, installed size 64 kB [16:48] lotuspsychje: what do you think about this? https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hometheater/receivers/avrx1000 [16:48] lemme check [16:49] ducasse: lookin neat! [16:50] i thought so too. more expensive than intended, but i can get it brand new for about $200-250 [16:50] ethernet and internet radio i like [16:51] services like spotify and apps support, not so much..but i guess all devices are trying to these days [16:51] don't need that, but it has hdmi, coax/spdif etc [16:52] yeah basics are great [16:53] a bit overkill, really, but... *shrug* :) [16:56] oooh! network controllable, i just *know* there will be a linux client on github :D [16:56] ;p [16:58] https://www.lifewire.com/best-home-theater-starter-kits-to-buy-4062692 [17:00] home theater isn't really what i need, all i care about is audio :) the hdmi part is just a bonus, since there are so few hdmi ports on most tv's. [17:01] installation finished \o/ [17:03] ducasse: the receiver only then? [17:03] omg http://www.onkyousa.com/Products/model.php?m=TX-RZ3100&class=Receiver&source=prodClass 3199$ [17:04] that's $3000 more than what i'm looking at :) [17:05] it looks *nice*, though :) [17:05] lol [17:07] arch now installed on desktop, think i'll wait until the morning to reboot :) [17:07] cool [17:08] ducasse: http://www.themasterswitch.com/best-av-receivers [17:08] jeez, NixkorN has just been behaving like a total asshole this whole day [17:13] ducasse: i also dont like BT as connectivity on such devices [17:14] i don't see the point of it :) [17:15] audio in/out, eth and usb :p [17:15] and hdmi of course [17:17] i basically just want a nice amp, but one with built-in dac and digital inputs. the denon thingy looks like the best i can get for my money, and will also be decent for a home theater setup if i ever want one. [17:17] yeah denon looks pretty neat [17:19] it's a woman seling them, not far from me. she said it's just been sitting in the box, never opened. [17:20] nice [17:20] then plugin a nice bredsbandbolaget in it :p [17:21] now he's rude to you, too. [17:21] ill sack him pretty soon :p [17:22] :) [17:28] yes ducasse, denon is decent quality equipment [17:29] i know, this looks like a decent choice that is somewhat future-proof for my needs. [17:29] think i'll call tomorrow. [17:31] I've had my HK since 2008 and it hasn't missed a beat ....knocks on wood :-) [17:32] it usually pays to buy good-quality stuff. the only thing this lacks is preout, but that's not a big issue with my economy :) [17:32] but I've had 3 other HK receivers and amps over the yrs, eventually they all get old and caps dry out etc [17:33] eventually, but that can be a long time. a friend of mine is still using his nad 3020, that must be 20 years old. [17:36] my Heathkit AA29 that I put together as a kit back in 1972 still runs well, a little noisy when switching sources, but otherwise sounds great [17:38] outlasted all the Harman Kardon stuff [17:39] ok, gotta run a few errands ...BBL [17:40] ttyl BluesKaj [17:40] same here movietime guys [17:40] :) [18:04] ♫ 99 little trolls on the wall, 99 little trolls... ♫ [19:28] tomtegubbar :-) [19:30] :) [19:31] this was a nasty one, though. a tomte is usually friendly :) [19:31] cheers guys, have a good troll night :p [19:31] movie nr 2 here :p [19:32] you too, lotuspsychje. might order a pizza here before night :) [19:32] yummy [19:32] laterz ; ) [20:18] hola