[01:35] <OerHeks> Bashing-om, i still wonder about that cat /etc/lsb-release.dpkg-dist , http://paste.ubuntu.com/23519642/
[01:50] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Yeah, got me too .. as I ran it in 14.04 .., DNE .
[02:01] <Bashing-om> One thing about working support, we often wind up with more questions than we answer :)
[02:07] <OerHeks> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-22/no-evidence-of-aloe-vera-found-in-the-aloe-vera-at-wal-mart-cvs
[02:07] <OerHeks> #aloeveragate
[02:09] <Bashing-om> Now why Am I Not surprised - truth in advertising - NOT .
[02:26] <daftykins> aloe aloe aloe, said the policeman investigating ;)
[02:27] <Bashing-om> There is something vera wrong here .
[02:29] <daftykins> :D
[03:10] <Bashing-om> Boy, an hour on the channel, with no activity .. times are getting hard for us volunteers :(
[03:14] <daftykins> best break a few installs so you have something to fix!
[03:14] <OerHeks> add a lot of ppa's
[03:16] <daftykins> ooh and then hit upgrade!
[03:16] <Bashing-om> OH .. It took me the longest to learn not to do that !
[03:16] <OerHeks> -d
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:19] <Wirehunter> lotuspsychje,  Good afternoon
[06:20] <daftykins> hallo \o
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> hey Wirehunter
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> its rainy here
[06:24] <daftykins> d'aww, i hear nothing atm
[06:24] <daftykins> and no light!
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> :p
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> anyone knows a lightweight browser that doesnt get that cpu is too old warning?
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> its for an old acer laptop
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> tested chrome,firefox and opera, they all got that warning
[07:13] <ducasse> hi all
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[07:21] <ducasse> good morning, lotuspsychje - how is life?
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> great here mate, day off xmass shopping today :p
[07:22] <ducasse> aha, i'm thinking of doing that tomorrow.
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> too avoid the mass crowds :p
[07:26] <ducasse> i hate that too, i usually try to get it over with early.
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: great idea :p
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: laterz mate and have a nice day
[07:31] <ducasse> you too, lotuspsychje - talk later
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> one day we will have a normal conversation lol
[07:31] <ducasse> :)
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:37] <daftykins> good morning \o
[11:38] <ducasse> o/
[11:39] <daftykins> ah hey ducasse \o
[11:39] <BluesKaj> "Morning daftykinsm ducasse
[11:39] <BluesKaj> er daftykins
[11:41] <ducasse> sun and warm today, almost all the snow is gone \o/
[11:41] <daftykins> so soon! :)
[11:42] <ducasse> i'm sure there will be lots more :(
[11:42] <daftykins> postie brought me Fallout 4 today, cost me all of £12.50
[11:43] <ducasse> that's not bad at all.
[11:44] <daftykins> quite amusing because it's a DVD copy, but it has a steam key - so it can copy over 4.5GB then download the remaining 20GB :D
[11:44] <ducasse> duh!
[11:44] <daftykins> apparently it was a pirating measure
[11:44] <daftykins> er anti-pirating even :)
[11:44] <ducasse> lol
[11:45] <daftykins> YARR!
[11:46] <ducasse> drm sucks, in any case. thankfully it seems a lot of people are starting to realize that now.
[11:47] <daftykins> i've heard the argument that it makes more sense to buy a games console as a bluray player now, because they can keep releasing fixes for the app e.g. on the xbox one, instead of firmware updates for a consumer player
[11:47] <daftykins> makes a lot of sense
[11:49] <ducasse> it does. i had a standalone bluray player, but gave it away. still have a bluray writer in my desktop, handy sometimes.
[11:52] <ducasse> daftykins: do you know much about arm boards?
[11:52] <daftykins> no sir
[11:54] <ducasse> me nether. just looking at what is available, but i don't know which are any good.
[11:54] <ducasse> *neither
[11:55] <daftykins> what's the task?
[11:56] <ducasse> i want a light desktop with low power consumption and minimal space requirements for my living room.
[11:56] <ducasse> just for web, mail, irc etc
[11:56] <daftykins> i'm waiting to see prices on the intel atom apollo lake type NUCs
[11:57] <daftykins> those'll be #1 HTPCs and fit that role well :)
[11:57] <daftykins> full 10-bit HEVC decode and encode support to boot!
[11:57] <ducasse> oooh, i'd lov a nuc
[11:59] <ducasse> not now, though, looking for an amplifier and that's the budget-buster for this month :)
[12:00] <daftykins> ^_^
[12:00] <daftykins> stereo musics only?
[12:00] <daftykins> still enjoying my NAD :>
[12:01] <daftykins> i really wish the PSU in it didn't give an idle whine though, i have it run overnight so i wake up to internet radio - bit less than ideal, but bearable
[12:01] <ducasse> yes, just stereo. i'm looking at a nice one with built-in dac from a local shop, since i'll mainly be using it to play flac and mp3
[12:02] <daftykins> *nod*
[12:02] <daftykins> did y'hear about what.cd? :(
[12:02] <daftykins> very sad times
[12:02] <ducasse> taken down? never used it.
[12:02] <daftykins> ah, twas a thing of beauty
[12:03] <ducasse> i'm still angry about kat :(
[12:03] <daftykins> *shrug* dirty public ones are a dime a dozen :)
[12:04] <BluesKaj> ducasse, what kind of amp are you looking at?
[12:04] <ducasse> local company
[12:06] <ducasse> it's quite small and not very powerful, but i don't need much. it just has two digital inputs and one analog, which is perfect for me.
[12:06] <daftykins> sounds good
[12:07] <daftykins> 18 mins to download Fallout still, my my
[12:07] <daftykins> 5MB/sec and it's still not enough ;)
[12:07] <BluesKaj> my HK receiver is rated at only 40W RMS/ch and it can play plenty loud with the Paradigm speakers
[12:07] <ducasse> i'll combine it with a raspberry pi and mpd, voila music player :)
[12:08] <BluesKaj> right
[12:08] <ducasse> thos is just 20, i think, but it will drive my kef bookshelf speakers.
[12:09] <ducasse> i *could* also get an analog nad or something with more watts, but then i'll need a separate dac at some point
[12:10] <BluesKaj> KEF used to be a real power eaters back in the day
[12:10]  * daftykins has a pi in the lounge feeding his Onkyo AVR over HDMI
[12:11] <BluesKaj> serarate dacs aren't worth the money if you're going t listen to streaming audio
[12:11] <BluesKaj> separate
[12:12] <daftykins> well he mentioned FLAC so all is well :D
[12:12] <daftykins> can get some nice 24 bit 96kHz vinyl ripped stuff in FLAC
[12:12] <ducasse> not streaming, files. mostly flac or apple lossless.
[12:12] <daftykins> eww ALAC, get out :)
[12:13] <ducasse> that's the minority :)
[12:13] <daftykins> must say a certain digit of mine was extended when i first saw a clients iTunes wanting to convert FLAC to ALAC
[12:13] <ducasse> some of the ones i didn't rip myself, so to speak :)
[12:15] <BluesKaj> I've converted all my FLACs to wav ...less processing needed
[12:16] <BluesKaj> no need for any kind of compression, lossless or not nowadays
[12:16] <ducasse> flac shouldn't be a problem for an rpi2, i'd guess.
[12:19] <ducasse> BluesKaj: are you using your rpi to play them? through what software?
[12:19] <BluesKaj> thinking of connecting the rpi to a monitor and speaker system in the den/office
[12:20] <BluesKaj> ducasse, no the media HTPC has an outboard drive with all the media on it
[12:20] <ducasse> ah, ok. and that runs kodi?
[12:21] <BluesKaj> yes, I have kodi on both the HTPC and the rpi
[12:22] <daftykins> FLAC is about having the metadata though
[12:22] <daftykins> useless playing wav and having none :>
[12:22] <ducasse> i hope to avoid a display on mine, so mpd looks like the best choice
[12:22] <ducasse> good point
[12:23] <BluesKaj> I need to do rearranging in my den to set the rpi up properly, just have to get off my butt to do it  :-)
[12:25] <ducasse> hehe, familiar problem :) i've been meaning to clear up cables etc around the routers for weeks now :)
[12:27] <BluesKaj> heh, there'a little more than just a few cables deal witrh in my case
[12:27] <ducasse> then you are more justified than i am :)
[12:28] <ducasse> i also need to replace the root disk in my server, but actually doing it is a major hassle...
[12:29] <BluesKaj> bookshelves full of outdated apps etc on cds and dvds and old stereo amps and other junk that has to be thown out or recycled
[12:31] <ducasse> sounds fun
[12:32] <BluesKaj> yeah, wife has been after me for weeks now to clear it out
[12:33] <BluesKaj> now that winter is settling in I'll have time
[12:34] <BluesKaj> looking forward to new setup though
[12:35] <ducasse> i've got a small storage room where i keep the server and lots of junk. it'd be nice to clear that out and get stuff properly on shelves etc.
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[15:07] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> hey there BluesKaj
[15:07] <BluesKaj> hey pauljw
[15:08] <pauljw> hi BluesKaj :)
[15:08] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> hey pauljw
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> you guys experienced that cpu too old error on any browser yet on old machines?
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> forgot its name
[15:11] <pauljw> not yet, what's old?
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> ive tested opera, firefox, IE and chrome, all gave me that error
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> pauljw: acer laptop
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> aspire older type, not sure wich cpu anymore
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> i should have written it down
[15:15] <pauljw> well, i have a 2011 Acer AspireOne w/Intel Atom dual core processor that I just fired up and Firefox is working just fine, no errors.
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/your-hardware-no-longer-supported
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> think thats the warning i had
[15:16] <pauljw> hmmm
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> so many machines have p4 or lower right
[15:17] <daftykins> Pentium M perhaps? :)
[15:17] <daftykins> also hi \o
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[15:18] <pauljw> hi daftykins
[15:18] <pauljw> yeah, lotuspsychje, i don't know where the Atom processor falls in modernity of cpu's.
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> so i guess an older browser would do the trick..
[15:18] <daftykins> there are quite a number of them (atoms)
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> but then safety of the browser lacks
[15:19] <daftykins> you can't run an older browser though chief, once Mozilla have given up it's irresponsible to use it online - time to ditch it
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> so i thought
[15:20] <pauljw> mine is running FF 50.0 fully up to date on xubuntu 16.04
[15:20] <pauljw> lucky for me i guess...
[15:20] <daftykins> :)
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> it was on a w7 acer aspire, lubuntu didnt like the machine lol
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> so i couldnt test chromium
[15:21] <daftykins> hmm can't have come with 7
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: no it came with ME, but i putted 7 on it
[15:22] <daftykins> from the factory i mean
[15:22] <daftykins> oooooouch! :)
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:22] <pauljw> oh, must be a bit older than mine, mine had win7 starter originally.
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> yeah if lubuntu cant run it...its very ancient :p
[15:22] <daftykins> well you guys know my feelings, lubuntu does not polish a turd - some have to be let go
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:23] <pauljw> lol
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: ! never throw away a working box
[15:23] <daftykins> sir i gave away core 2 duo laptops with 4GB RAM and SSDs :)
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> i would rather make it a calculator pc out of it, then throw it away
[15:23] <daftykins> but then they said they might find their way to Africa if they couldn't be used
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> loll
[15:24] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje - finished xmas shopping? :)
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yeah mate, we found quiet a bit today
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> not all, but the booze and some gifts
[15:25] <daftykins> :D
[15:25]  * lotuspsychje wants a retro atari for xmass to play pong
[15:26] <ducasse> daftykins: what do you think about this? https://www.amazon.com/Musical-Fidelity-V90-AMP-USB-Integrated/dp/B00H54F9R8
[15:27] <daftykins> hmm totally beyond my skill set i'm afraid
[15:27] <daftykins> says made in england though, so it can't be snake oil ;)
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> me neither
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: whats the purpose gonna be?
[15:28] <ducasse> well - amplifier for playing music :) from rpi, probably, mainly flac.
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> cool
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> we are thinking of buying a portable internet radio
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> to play everywhere in our new house
[15:34] <daftykins> o0
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> both wifi and cable would be nice
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> and usb support of course
[15:36] <ducasse> when these things have usb ports, do they function basically as an external sound card?
[15:37] <daftykins> think so
[15:38] <ducasse> aaargh! incoming attention-seeking fur missile!
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: anyone we know?
[15:39] <ducasse> she jumped up behind the laptop and tried to hang on to tne screen :)
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> heeere kitty
[15:42] <daftykins> :D
[15:43] <ducasse> ok, so i'll need drivers to use usb? not that big a deal since it has optical, i guess.
[15:43] <daftykins> Mischief says "i could do that but i'm too busy enjoying grooms" http://i.imgur.com/1Fuu02I.jpg
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> cool pic :p
[15:44] <ducasse> d'awww
[15:44] <daftykins> :D
[15:46] <ducasse> i tried to take a oic of her now, but that was _not_ acceptable :)
[15:46] <ducasse> *pic
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> !info xpra
[16:45] <ubot5`> xpra (source: xpra): tool to detach/reattach running X programs. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.15.8+dfsg-1 (xenial), package size 1046 kB, installed size 4717 kB
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> cool
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> never heard of it
[16:46] <ducasse> can be handy
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> i loved sux, too bad they depraced it
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> !info sux precise
[16:47] <ubot5`> sux (source: sux): wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-6 (precise), package size 9 kB, installed size 64 kB
[16:48] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: what do you think about this? https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hometheater/receivers/avrx1000
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> lemme check
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: lookin neat!
[16:50] <ducasse> i thought so too. more expensive than intended, but i can get it brand new for about $200-250
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> ethernet and internet radio i like
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> services like spotify and apps support, not so much..but i guess all devices are trying to these days
[16:51] <ducasse> don't need that, but it has hdmi, coax/spdif etc
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> yeah basics are great
[16:53] <ducasse> a bit overkill, really, but... *shrug* :)
[16:56] <ducasse> oooh! network controllable, i just *know* there will be a linux client on github :D
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> ;p
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> https://www.lifewire.com/best-home-theater-starter-kits-to-buy-4062692
[17:00] <ducasse> home theater isn't really what i need, all i care about is audio :) the hdmi part is just a bonus, since there are so few hdmi ports on most tv's.
[17:01] <ducasse> installation finished \o/
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: the receiver only then?
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> omg http://www.onkyousa.com/Products/model.php?m=TX-RZ3100&class=Receiver&source=prodClass 3199$
[17:04] <ducasse> that's $3000 more than what i'm looking at :)
[17:05] <ducasse> it looks *nice*, though :)
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:07] <ducasse> arch now installed on desktop, think i'll wait until the morning to reboot :)
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> cool
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: http://www.themasterswitch.com/best-av-receivers
[17:08] <ducasse> jeez, NixkorN has just been behaving like a total asshole this whole day
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: i also dont like BT as connectivity on such devices
[17:14] <ducasse> i don't see the point of it :)
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> audio in/out, eth and usb :p
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> and hdmi of course
[17:17] <ducasse> i basically just want a nice amp, but one with built-in dac and digital inputs. the denon thingy looks like the best i can get for my money, and will also be decent for a home theater setup if i ever want one.
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> yeah denon looks pretty neat
[17:19] <ducasse> it's a woman seling them, not far from me. she said it's just been sitting in the box, never opened.
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> nice
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> then plugin a nice bredsbandbolaget in it :p
[17:21] <ducasse> now he's rude to you, too.
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> ill sack him pretty soon :p
[17:22] <ducasse> :)
[17:28] <BluesKaj> yes ducasse, denon is decent quality equipment
[17:29] <ducasse> i know, this looks like a decent choice that is somewhat future-proof for my needs.
[17:29] <ducasse> think i'll call tomorrow.
[17:31] <BluesKaj> I've had my HK since 2008 and it hasn't missed a beat ....knocks on wood :-)
[17:32] <ducasse> it usually pays to buy good-quality stuff. the only thing this lacks is preout, but that's not a big issue with my economy :)
[17:32] <BluesKaj> but I've had 3 other HK receivers and amps over the yrs, eventually they all get old and caps dry out etc
[17:33] <ducasse> eventually, but that can be a long time. a friend of mine is still using his nad 3020, that must be 20 years old.
[17:36] <BluesKaj> my Heathkit AA29 that I put together as a kit back in 1972 still runs well, a little noisy when switching sources, but otherwise sounds great
[17:38] <BluesKaj> outlasted all the Harman Kardon stuff
[17:39] <BluesKaj> ok, gotta run a few errands ...BBL
[17:40] <ducasse> ttyl BluesKaj
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> same here movietime guys
[17:40] <pauljw> :)
[18:04] <ducasse> ♫ 99 little trolls on the wall, 99 little trolls... ♫
[19:28] <BluesKaj> tomtegubbar :-)
[19:30] <ducasse> :)
[19:31] <ducasse> this was a nasty one, though. a tomte is usually friendly :)
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> cheers guys, have a good troll night :p
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> movie nr 2 here :p
[19:32] <ducasse> you too, lotuspsychje. might order a pizza here before night :)
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> yummy
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> laterz ; )
[20:18] <romelios> hola