[09:05] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:09] <SuperMatt> morning brobostigon
[09:09] <davmor2> Morning all you funky hipsters
[09:10] <brobostigon> morning SuperMatt and davmor2
[09:17] <foobarry> kindle fire 7inch is £29.99 right now
[09:25] <daftykins> crikey
[09:25] <daftykins> morning all
[09:28] <popey> still wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole
[09:28] <daftykins> agreed!
[09:29] <foobarry> i got the google stuff working on my missis
[09:29] <foobarry> its jut a google tablet now
[09:29] <daftykins> mmm no :P
[09:29] <foobarry> was looking at how to how automatic alt-tab switching on a display screen. both answers from our very own ali1234
[09:30] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Fibonacci Day! 😃
[09:30] <ali1234> with wmctrl?
[09:30] <foobarry> 231116
[09:30] <foobarry> ali1234: http://askubuntu.com/questions/377901/auto-switch-workspaces
[09:31] <ali1234> yeah
[09:31] <ali1234> wmctrl is better
[09:53] <zmoylan-pi> so... we stop and remember fibonacci at 11:23? :-)
[09:54] <davmor2> JamesTait: I think I got you covered https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdJ4zYiEgOQ
[10:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[10:30] <popey> hi
[10:33]  * brobostigon is thinking about the new pebble 2 for himself for christmas.
[10:35] <zmoylan-pi> is that the one you can play doom on?
[10:35] <brobostigon> you can play doom on all of them, :)
[10:35] <zmoylan-pi> then i can't see why you wouldn't buy it... :-P
[10:36] <brobostigon> microphone, colour screen(pebble time), heart rate monitor, more capable OS version,
[10:37] <zmoylan-pi> and a successful smart watch unlike that apple effort... :-P
[10:37] <brobostigon> that too,
[10:38] <zmoylan-pi> not only are you a geek, but you are so geeky you have a successful smartwatch... head geek in every room you enter... \o/
[10:38] <brobostigon> reason 1, the vibration motor on my og pebble, is dying.
[10:39] <zmoylan-pi> reason 2, you want it...
[10:39] <foobarry> is there any way to tru unity8 if you have an nivida graphics card?
[10:40] <brobostigon> zmoylan-pi: and in this time of year, the pebble being wterproof etc, its more likely to survive this time of year too.
[10:43] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: hello
[10:47] <daftykins> woohoo postie just delivered my £12.50 copy of Fallout 4 \o/
[10:47] <daftykins> foobarry: what leads you to believe it's no good for nvidia? o0
[10:47] <daftykins> oooh *that* unity :)
[10:48] <daftykins> now i follow
[10:50] <popey> foobarry: use nouveau i believe
[10:52] <daftykins> hmm i think my net connection is faster than this DVD is reading... :D
[10:55] <zmoylan-pi> are there 52x dvd drives? :-P
[10:55] <daftykins> nope
[10:56]  * zmoylan-pi remebers the fun of cd-rs exploding in higher speed drives...
[10:56] <foobarry> popey: i was on nouveau...but also on 17.10alpha...so maybe try 16.10 instead...
[10:57] <daftykins> might depend on your card :>
[10:57] <foobarry> since even adding proprietary drivers seems broken
[10:57] <daftykins> what, via the GUI tool?
[10:57] <foobarry> yes
[10:58] <foobarry> never finishes, but also doesn't tell u what its doing
[10:58] <foobarry> i expect brokenness though
[10:58] <daftykins> it's like that on stable versions too
[10:59] <daftykins> always better to just do package management manually imo
[10:59] <daftykins> turned out that bit was failing for a mate because of his EFI install, the install process was trying to ask if he wanted secure boot disabled for him or not
[11:00] <daftykins> i told him to ignore the "help" and do it manually, worked out fine :>
[11:07] <foobarry> yeah, used the gui to get the package names and used the CLI
[11:07] <daftykins> o0
[11:07] <daftykins> apt-cache search nvidia- :P
[11:07] <foobarry> well it was broadcom and intel guff too
[11:07] <foobarry> intel microcode :S
[11:08] <daftykins> don't really need that one
[11:08] <foobarry> most proprietary laptop ever
[11:09] <daftykins> heh
[11:51] <foobarry> ali1234: had to use viewport to switch ports on unity (wmctrl -o )
[11:51] <foobarry> migt add a comment to the page
[11:51] <daftykins> with zeez deal, amazon are really spoiling uzz - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ferrero-48-Piece-Collection-518g/dp/B00GXH2PM0/
[11:51] <foobarry> still pricey
[11:52] <daftykins> yip
[11:53] <zmoylan-pi> that's because the ambassadors drive the price up by hogging them all
[11:53] <daftykins> hahaha :D
[12:03] <zmoylan-pi> lidl have a nice generic knockoff that's a bit cheaper
[12:03] <foobarry> like the guylian shells?
[12:04] <zmoylan-pi> i couldn't tell you what they are called...
[12:04] <daftykins> ooh i got gifted those once
[12:04] <foobarry> Rerrero Focher?
[12:05] <daftykins> hehe, Ferrero Rochez
[12:05] <zmoylan-pi> ferrari rolex
[12:05] <foobarry> i heard of a schoolkid called rolex
[12:05] <foobarry> was in my teacher friends class
[12:05] <zmoylan-pi> he was always late?
[12:05] <foobarry> and ladiamond. whatever that means
[12:05] <daftykins> only got the right answer twice a day?
[12:07] <foobarry> http://www.itv.com/news/granada/2016-11-23/man-in-court-accused-of-punching-baby-in-supermarket/
[12:07] <foobarry> wut
[12:08] <daftykins> weird
[12:09] <zmoylan-pi> there's something that will follow him the rest of his life
[12:13] <foobarry> why would you rush over and punch a doll either?
[12:13] <daftykins> i think there's a fair bit more to that tale than is reported
[12:45] <foobarry> has anyone tried budgie remix?
[12:45] <foobarry> ubuntu budgie actually now as its official
[12:52] <diplo> foobarry: I use the PPA for budgie on this machine
[12:53] <diplo> I like it, when I reinstall I'll probably do a fresh of just budgie
[12:53] <foobarry> i didn't like the spacing on the systray and the cinnamon style app choose
[12:57] <foobarry> side bar seemed quite nice
[12:57] <foobarry> although first impressions didn't blow me away
[12:57] <diplo> Don't have the side bar on mine, keep meaning to look at it
[12:58] <diplo> I played with Solus too but only in a VM, for me it's just worked with no issues
[12:58] <foobarry> they change stuff every week on solus though
[12:59] <foobarry> package manager goes out of the door , rewrite everything in C, etc ,etc
[12:59] <diplo> New OS, everything changing quickly :)
[13:01] <foobarry> http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/287242/were-enabling-display-ads-on-select-stack-exchange-sites?cb=1
[13:55] <daftykins> hmmm tough call looking at super budget laptops for a mate, 1) i5-6200U, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, no DVD, 1366x768 res LCD = £332.50 2) i3-5005U, 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD, 1080p res IPS LCD, DVD = £266.65
[13:55] <foobarry> would a chromebook suffice?
[13:55] <daftykins> never :)
[13:58] <foobarry> more RAM is good
[13:58] <foobarry> but has worse screen :(
[13:58] <daftykins> can easily upgrade the cheapy to the same for £75 but yeah
[13:58] <foobarry> really you want 1) with better screen
[13:59] <daftykins> and the guy being a bit more senior shall we say, means he might prefer DVD
[13:59] <foobarry> has to be laptop?
[14:00] <daftykins> yep
[14:00] <daftykins> tried to call him to make the casting vote but he must be busy :D
[14:01] <daftykins> almost need to buy both, mix and match then return one ;)
[14:01] <foobarry> screen size?
[14:01] <daftykins> 15" so true budget tank territory
[14:01] <foobarry> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dell-Inspiron-Laptop-Pentium-TrueLife/dp/B01IMX5TV6/ref=sr_1_19?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1479909641&sr=1-19&keywords=laptop
[14:02] <foobarry> oh, reviews were not kind..
[14:02] <daftykins> mmm there's a heck of a lot of negative press surrounding that model Dell
[14:03] <foobarry> can't see what the processor is
[14:04] <daftykins> pentium dual core in that sucker, ouch
[14:04] <foobarry> what, the old pentium?
[14:05] <daftykins> not sure, it's not specific on model # to tell which family
[14:05] <daftykins> might be more like a baytrail or such like
[14:05] <foobarry> sometimes if you're buying for an old fella then visiting pc world is a good option
[14:05] <foobarry> there could be a showstoper or nice but pointless feature they like
[14:05] <daftykins> they don't exist in Guernsey
[14:06] <foobarry> but...
[14:06] <foobarry> "where in the world?"
[14:06] <daftykins> we're limited to buy online really :) local shops tend to have massively older generation machines in
[14:06] <foobarry> whats the population of guernsey?
[14:06] <daftykins> 65,000+
[14:08] <foobarry> a bit niche then
[14:08] <foobarry> probably room for 1 pc shop though
[14:09] <daftykins> we've got 3, 4 if you count the Apple reseller
[14:10] <daftykins> actually, couple more elsewhere but not sure they hold any kind of retail presence
[14:34] <diddledan> m00
[14:47] <daftykins> diddledan: o hai
[14:47] <diddledan> o/
[14:55] <Adriannom> Hi. I have two identical laptops with Ubuntu 16.04 recently installed on each. XFCE has been installed and Gnome removed, using the same apt commands. On one machine, NetworkManager cannot connect to wifi APs. When I click on an AP, the connecting icon spins and then after about 20 seconds it says "Disconnected - you are now offline". There was no password prompt even though the AP is secured. Windows 10 on the same l
[14:55] <Adriannom> aptop connects normally. The other laptop connects normally in Ubuntu. Please help?
[14:57] <daftykins> compare them from the guest accounts to rule out user dot file quirks
[14:57] <daftykins> you say identical, even the exact model of wifi card *and* driver?
[15:00] <Adriannom> daftykins, I'll check.
[15:02] <Adriannom> daftykins, meanwhile, some log info: http://hastebin.com/ukupovoviy.pl
[15:04] <daftykins> mmm would be best to see from both to see if they really do match up - i think the guest account bit is still relevant too
[15:04] <Adriannom> The lshw is identical for the network cards, the laptops were bought at the same time from a big chain store
[15:04] <Adriannom> Just checking guest account
[15:04] <daftykins> mmhmm so the intel 3160
[15:06] <Adriannom> Immediate error on guest session: "Failed to add/activate connection. (0) Active connection could not be attached to the device"
[15:06] <Adriannom> Immediate when I click the wifi AP I mean
[15:07] <diddledan> hardware switch?
[15:07] <diddledan> does it behave the same in a live dvd boot?
[15:08] <daftykins> yeah that could fit, does say "failed to initiate scheduled scan"
[15:11] <Adriannom> Offending laptop: http://hastebin.com/raw/qimezimecu - Working laptop: http://hastebin.com/raw/qimezimecu
[15:11] <Adriannom> I'll check
[15:11] <Adriannom> I'm guessing it'll work on live cd
[15:11] <diddledan> both the same link
[15:11] <Adriannom> haha
[15:11] <Adriannom> Offending laptop: http://hastebin.com/raw/ukupovoviy - Working laptop: http://hastebin.com/raw/qimezimecu
[15:13] <daftykins> no avahi talk on the bad one
[15:14] <daftykins> perhaps 'cause it's a latter stage
[15:15] <Adriannom> How do you mean?
[15:15] <daftykins> perhaps avahi only starts doing stuff after, on the working one
[15:15] <Adriannom> Right, maybe
[15:15] <Adriannom> Ok live cd wifi works fine
[15:15] <daftykins> are they the same kernel - and is the kernel line identical? no extra boot params on one etc
[15:16] <Adriannom> Boot back into problem os?
[15:16] <daftykins> ja
[15:16] <daftykins> "cat /proc/cmdline"
[15:18] <Adriannom> Identical apart fromm UUID: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-47-generic.efi.signed root=UUID=xxx ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7
[15:19] <daftykins> ok sounds good
[15:20] <daftykins> is there anything unique about how you did the installs? sounds like your working one is a dual boot and the non-working is ubuntu only?
[15:22] <Adriannom> daftykins, both dual boot, can't think of any differences :(
[15:22] <Adriannom> But I guess there might be
[15:22] <Adriannom> Used an installation script but there were a couple of tweaks needed
[15:23] <daftykins> oh o0
[15:23] <Adriannom> Homebrew script just with apt commands and stuff
[15:23] <Adriannom> Nothing complex
[15:24] <daftykins> if you run the 'additional drivers' type program are any different choices visible?
[15:24] <daftykins> have you tried wiping the current user entirely and rebooting? the guest session test earlier would only have been helpful if it was the first account logged into on a fresh boot really i think
[15:25] <daftykins> in fact NM might do some system-wide stuff now so even that might be irrelevant
[15:25] <Adriannom> Nope no difference
[15:25] <Adriannom> I haven't tried that
[15:25] <daftykins> wouldn't hurt
[15:25] <Adriannom> I could just create a user right?
[15:25] <daftykins> yep
[15:26] <daftykins> make another, make them an admin type, then reboot
[15:28] <Adriannom> I was hopeful, but nope
[15:29] <Adriannom> Same problem
[15:29] <Adriannom> I could try a hammer?
[15:30] <daftykins> did your script have any removes or purges?
[15:31] <Adriannom> Yup, I'll show you the script
[15:33] <Adriannom> PMed, in case there's anything exploitable in there
[15:34] <Adriannom> ;)
[15:36] <daftykins> ok so you've gotten a script there that's doing a lot of what just installing from xubuntu media would do for you
[15:36] <daftykins> maybe grab the xu ISO and throw it on, see how it behaves
[15:37] <Adriannom> daftykins, I was hoping to avoid reinstall but if there's nothing else left then I guess I'll have to
[15:37] <daftykins> you could always run it by the main channel - better eyes in there, but it's down to whether you really want to know the secret or just want it done, i'd say
[15:38] <Adriannom> Thanks daftykins, appreciate the diagnostics :)
[15:41] <daftykins> np ^_^
[16:12] <diddledan> is it just me, or does the hotel over the abu dhabi f1 circuit look like a giant thingy? https://twitter.com/ManorRacing/status/801457961616941056
[16:13] <foobarry> wow
[16:14] <daftykins> you're right, a huge maracca
[16:46] <zmoylan-pi> it looks just like like a turnip?!
[17:06] <brobostigon> is it baldrick?
[17:07] <zmoylan-pi> that would be a cunning construct
[17:08] <brobostigon> :)
[17:29] <Adriannom> daftykins, reinstalling with xubuntu fixed it. Thanks :) gtg, bye!
[17:30] <diddledan> \o/
[17:30] <Adriannom> \o/
[17:31] <zmoylan-pi> diddledan ups their rank on santas nice list...
[19:47] <brobostigon> http://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/713-microG_on_Jolla night come in useful for someone.
[20:12] <foobarry> https://www.humblebundle.com/books/unix-book-bundle
[20:12] <foobarry> some classics here
[21:26] <ball> Oooh, a humblebundle!
[21:32]  * diddledan bungles it
[21:34] <ball> I should add some microSDHC cards to my Christmas wish list.
[21:35] <diddledan> I lose those
[21:36]  * ball nods
[21:37] <diddledan> I miss the days when I could count on a byte being big enough that I can notice when I sit on it
[21:44] <zmoylan-pi> but the papercuts you got sorting punch cards...
[21:45] <ball> More of a paper tape man, myself.
[21:45] <ball> I miss my teletype.
[21:45] <zmoylan-pi> ooooh, fancy