[00:01] <magic> hello, i have a simple question if someone would be willing to help
[00:02] <Bashing-om> !ask | magic
[00:02] <magic> i am trying to play dwarf fortress. the game itself runs fine. however I am new and need to use dwarf therapist. when I try to launch it from the terminal, I get this error. QGtkStyle cannot be used together with the GTK_Qt engine. does anyone know what I could do? I am on Ubuntu 16.04 x64
[00:02] <magic> !patience
[00:06] <Bashing-om> nds_: In lack of wiser guidance, I would add the restricted and multiverse repos to the sources.list .. adn update/upgrade . See then what is lacking in the install .
[00:06] <nds_> what do you say about my /etc/lsb-release* files: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23519642/
[00:07] <nds_> Bashing-om for yakkety right?
[00:10] <Bashing-om> mdebska: Yeah, we will work this asyakketty ( 16.10) . what returns ' cat /etc/issue ' as I do not know what to make of the /etc/lsb-release.dpkg-dist outputs .
[00:10] <OerHeks> cat /etc/lsb-release.dpkg-dist seems not to be an valid command on 16.04.
[00:10] <jspook16> mode /#ubuntu
[00:11] <jspook16> hello?
[00:12] <Bashing-om> jspook16: Hi, you have a support question ?
[00:12] <nds_> result of "add the restricted and multiverse repos to the sources.list + update/upgrade" http://paste.ubuntu.com/23519662/
[00:14] <Bashing-om> nds_: Ya have a want to build packages from source ? If not I would disable the deb-src http: .. before we proceed .
[00:14] <OerHeks> nds_, so you messed apt up with https://launchpad.net/~deity/+archive/ubuntu/apt-1.2 ?
[00:15] <OerHeks> and mixed yakkety with xenial sources ..
[00:17] <Bashing-om> nds_: OerHeks So correct to pay attention to the 3rd party sources ! . nds_ : pastebin also ' tail -v -n +1 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* ' .
[00:21] <OerHeks> and  /var/log/dpkg.log
[00:22] <nds_> result from sources.list.d/* http://paste.ubuntu.com/23519705/
[00:23] <nds_> i need to upload that log
[00:26] <Bashing-om> nds_: 1st hit " /deity/apt-1.2/ubuntu/dists/ " I do not see that it is supported in yakkety . Still look'n .
[00:27] <Bashing-om> nds_: But as none of the 3rd party repos are enabled . we not worry at this time about them .
[00:33] <nds_> thanks for the help, i can use the laptop at work in 6h. can focus on solving the problems later if it is worth it?
[00:34] <cr3> hi folks, I just ran updates on trusty with nvidia and unity no longer comes up (the desktop appears but not the dash). I tried to run unity --reset in a tty and I get a core dump. known problem?
[00:34] <draxdeveloper> hello, someone have a recomendation on a good gui for git?
[00:35] <Bashing-om> nds_: K; we work at your pace .
[00:36] <s7rawman> what's the etiquette for asking questions here?
[00:36] <nacc> draxdeveloper: that seems sort of counterintuitive; do you mean for actually running git commands? or for viewing a git repository?
[00:36] <nacc> !ask | s7rawman
[00:37] <s7rawman> !patience
[00:37] <nacc> draxdeveloper: or maybe, a better question: why do you want a gui for git?
[00:37] <s7rawman> macc: thanks
[00:37] <draxdeveloper> nacc, to upload (forgot the name) to the repository.
[00:37] <Bashing-om> nds_: Bit houston, we may have a problem " https://launchpad.net/~deity >> Personal package archives >> APT 1.2 PPA " .. maybe ouch ??
[00:37] <nacc> draxdeveloper: huh? you mean to push?
[00:37] <nacc> draxdeveloper: why do you need a GUI to push?
[00:38] <draxdeveloper> nacc, yeah, lol
[00:38] <draxdeveloper> nacc, hum... It's easer use the comand line?
[00:39] <s7rawman> I'm looking to prevent users from accessing each others home folders by default on account creation. I've done it before but I can remember how I did it and I seem to be using the incorrect google query. Anyone have some pointers
[00:39] <nacc> draxdeveloper: i just don't follow why a GUI is required for pushing, in your case?
[00:39] <nacc> draxdeveloper: or how a GUI helps, really, with pushing
[00:39] <draxdeveloper> nacc, i have to control a lot of files
[00:39] <draxdeveloper> i am devloping a game
[00:40] <nacc> draxdeveloper: i still don't see the connection with using a GUI for git.
[00:40] <draxdeveloper> nacc, it's just faster than use the terminal.
[00:40] <tgm4883> draxdeveloper: I'll second nacc that the terminal is much better for git, but if you use atom.io to develop, it has plugins for git
[00:41] <nacc> draxdeveloper: in what world is that true? you have not explained your use-case in any way that makes that obvious to me.
[00:41] <draxdeveloper> nacc, ok, i will try to use the terminal. I just never used it with git before.
[00:42]  * nacc doesn't even understand how that's possible :)
[00:42] <draxdeveloper> nacc, it's like tortoise svn
[00:42] <mcphail> draxdeveloper: qtcreator can look after the git side of things, if you must. Valve use it, so should be adequate for your game dev needs
[00:43] <draxdeveloper> i am using godot engine
[00:43] <nacc> draxdeveloper: having to 'control a lot of files' has nothing to do with how you push, IMO, it has to do with how you configure your repository. But unless you meant you want to vcs files all over your filesystem, I don't get what that has to do with pushing, honestly
[00:44] <draxdeveloper> nacc, a example. There is a folder where i cannot push all files.
[00:44] <draxdeveloper> but anyway, forget it, i will read how to use command line.
[00:45] <tgm4883> draxdeveloper: anything you can do in the gui, you can do via command line
[00:45] <kostkon> draxdeveloper: I'm pretty sure there's a way to exclude files
[00:45] <nacc> draxdeveloper: why can't you push all files?
[00:45] <tgm4883> draxdeveloper: and that sounds like an excelent use for the .gitignore file
[00:45] <nacc> draxdeveloper: if you mean you don't *want* to, then use .gitignore
[00:45] <draxdeveloper> nacc, because they are configurtion files for godot.
[00:45] <nacc> draxdeveloper: if you mean you don't have permission to, then that's somethign else altogether
[00:45] <draxdeveloper> nacc, i just don't know nothing about git lol
[00:46] <nacc> draxdeveloper: ok, that's where you should have started, then
[00:46] <nacc> draxdeveloper: i think there is a git channel, fwiw
[00:46] <draxdeveloper> nacc, ok, i will search it.
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[00:47] <mcphail> draxdeveloper: type "git help tutorial" to get you started
[00:47] <draxdeveloper> mcphail, ok :)
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[00:59] <Sean_McG> tgm4883: ah so that was it, I can't run 'fakeroot debian/rules clean' or it stomps over my changelog.
[01:05] <nds_> i got it to install stuff, i went with aptitude (dont know why), i installed cpp-6 and aptitude downgraded some packets from something to something (yakkety)
[01:05] <nds_> then i upgraded and it solved many things, i currently have 3 packages not installing
[01:07] <Bashing-om> nds_: <ight try ' sudo apt install --reinstall <package> ' .
[01:07] <Bashing-om> might*
[01:10] <nds_> current packages not installing
[01:10] <nds_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23519949/
[01:11] <nds_> example of --reinstall dependency problem for policykit-1 http://paste.ubuntu.com/23519954/
[01:12] <Sean_McG> hm, so you have newer versions of the dependancies for policykit than the upgrade depends on
[01:12] <kostkon> nds_: apt-cache policy that package
[01:17] <nds_> kostkon ok, gonna read up on what that is
[01:17] <_bart> Hi, I'm having issues with the error " This program requires version 3.0.0 of the Protocol Buffer runtime library, but the installed version is 2.6.1."
[01:18] <_bart> I installed the latest protocol buffer runtime library, but it seems like it is not used
[01:18] <nds_> im gonna yolo this boys
[01:18] <_bart> I also noticed the libprotobuf9v5 package is installed, but I cannot remove it, it is required by compiz stuff, and would trigger the removal of ubuntu-desktop.
[01:19] <Sean_McG> _bart: I gather you are trying to build something manually?
[01:19] <_bart> Sean_McG: I am trying to run a tensorflow script, that is triggering the requirement error
[01:20] <nds_> my methotology is: try aptitude to install a package, now i chose aptitude install  libpolkit-backend-1-0 -v, then i chose not to keep the version, and see what will happen, it seemed pretty harmless in this case because it backed many packagages (again) from something -> something (yyakkety), since it says yakkety i felt safe doing it
[01:20] <nds_> maybe these packets went in when i had 17.04 in my sources for some reason
[01:20] <Sean_McG> _bart: you may have to ensure that the pkgconfig file for newer protobuf is in the PKG_CONFIG_PATH env variable before you configure/build it
[01:21] <Sean_McG> at least that is my experience with protobuf
[01:22] <Sean_McG> nds_: your experience with going from xenial->yakkety makes me nervous to go from trusty->xenial
[01:22] <_bart> Sean_McG: protobuf compiled and installed fine, I followed these instructions https://github.com/google/protobuf/blob/master/src/README.md, it just seems the 2.6.1 is still used?
[01:23] <_bart> Sean_McG: setting --prefix=/usr did not change things
[01:23] <nds_> Sean_McG dont base it on me, but the recommended way failed, then i started throwing commands at the terminal, i have myself to blame but ive learned much
[01:23] <nds_> the initial bug was referenced in a few threads with few posts
[01:23] <kostkon> nds_: apt-cache policy package_name to find out where the latest version is coming from
[01:24] <kostkon> nds_: and the current one
[01:24] <Sean_McG> _bart: it may be finding the pkgconfig file for the system-installed protobuf before yours -- maybe you can just remove the -dev package for protobuf unless something else needs it?
[01:24] <uberdub> can someone tell me why my connection lags connecting to irc, and apt times out at us.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[01:25] <Sean_McG> uberdub: crappy connection?
[01:25] <uberdub> no
[01:25] <uberdub> I got 1gbps
[01:25] <JamJay> add/change DNS servers, use google's for example
[01:25] <uberdub> my browser connects just fine
[01:26] <uberdub> and I can ping the archive
[01:26] <nds_> i think the same method "aptitude install libpolkit-agent-1" => make it change version on dependency, i see that it has versions higher than yakkety currently and i feel safe downgrading. doing it.
[01:26] <Bashing-om> nds_: And when you do ' apt-cache rdepends policykit-1 ' you get very careful how you proceed .
[01:26] <Sean_McG> irc can lag because of the other end. freenode is no stranger to netsplits
[01:26] <uberdub> ...ok
[01:27] <uberdub> I highly doubt this is on freenode end
[01:27] <Sean_McG> but if it is constant it may be something else
[01:27] <uberdub> it just started happening
[01:27] <uberdub> apt takes forever
[01:27] <_bart> Sean_McG: I already removed libprotobuf-dev
[01:27] <nds_> try ctcp ping, it doesnt go through irc server right
[01:28] <_bart> Sean_McG: I think the 2.6.1 runtime comes from libprotobuf-lite9v5 or libprotobuf9v5, and those I can't remove
[01:28] <uberdub> update hangs on: 0% [Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (2001:67c:1562::16)]
[01:28] <Sean_McG> _bart: hrmmm... wierd, it shouldn't find anything then and complain that protobuf is not available
[01:29] <Sean_McG> _bart: possibly.
[01:29] <uberdub> takes about 15 minutes to update or do anything
[01:29] <uberdub> hangs there
[01:29] <Sean_McG> uberdub: oooo, do you have IOv6 connectivity?
[01:29] <uberdub> maybe
[01:29] <uberdub> its fresh install
[01:29] <Sean_McG> IPv6, even
[01:29] <_bart> Sean_McG: this is what locate gives me: https://gist.github.com/bartolsthoorn/10d780575da56f2e31d70b722a2ce803
[01:30] <uberdub> where would I verify, and change these settings?
[01:30] <nds_> i have zero packages kept back now.. do you think when 17.04 was placed into my sources.list maybe it upgraded to higher versions than yakkety on some stuff that just needed downgrading, and aptitude install solved it nicely?
[01:30] <Bashing-om> nds_: Sounds likely .
[01:30] <nds_> in addition i made a new source.list according to some site that generated it
[01:31] <nds_> just because i dont know how they work exactly yet, didnt want to not have access to something important in case it depended on that
[01:31] <Sean_McG> uberdub: hopefully someone else here can chime in on how to temporarily disable your v6 connectivity and use v4 for now
[01:31] <kostkon> nds_: are you using any ppas
[01:32] <uberdub> yes
[01:35] <Sean_McG> I don't know anything about tensorflow itself, but since your search results don't seem to include any .pc file, I'm wondering if maybe it is trying to use the first libprotobuf it finds
[01:35] <Sean_McG> that was for _bart
[01:35] <uberdub> sigh
[01:35] <uberdub> always something breaking in linux
[01:37] <_bart> Sean_McG: OK, it's all a bit confusing, I am gonna try from scratch in a VM
[01:37] <Sean_McG> anyone here good with network-manager who can give uberdub a hand?
[01:38] <vfw> uberdub: Are you having a network problem?
[01:38] <uberdub> doesnt appear to be my lan
[01:38] <kenrin> Sounds like his IPv6 is just having issues
[01:38] <kenrin> Can't help much there
[01:39] <uberdub> apt hangs for a very long time
[01:40] <scalper> hey
[01:40] <scalper> i did sudo apt-get install lm-sensors xsensors fancontrol but now i want to completly purge them, what do i need to type for that?
[01:41] <Sean_McG> I'm not physically located at my Ubuntu machine at the moment, but is it possible to disable only the IPv6 connectivity in the network card config in Unity?
[01:41] <rthornton> question about installing HP Laserjet 1536dnf software
[01:41] <kostkon> scalper: apt-get purge
[01:41] <Sean_McG> scalper: replace install with purge and hope it doesn't rope in other packages
[01:42] <rthornton> it seems to need many dependencies - should I go ahead like adding dbus support or not?
[01:42] <scalper> Sean_McG: does it will delete all linked dependencies too?
[01:42] <rthornton> I dont know
[01:43] <rthornton> I am always nervous when third party software is wanting to make changes
[01:43] <tgm4883> Sean_McG: yes
[01:43] <Sean_McG> scalper: potentially, but it will give you a yes/no prompt I believe
[01:44] <tgm4883> Sean_McG: you can edit your connection in network manager. There is a IPv6 Settings page where you can set Method to Ignore
[01:44] <uberdub> is it going to slow my connection?
[01:44] <tgm4883> uberdub: not noticibly
[01:45] <kenrin> Can't be any slower than not connecting
[01:45] <Sean_McG> uberdub: I don't think so, but if it does it is probably easy to revert
[01:46] <tgm4883> You might also have to disconnect and reconnect. And reverting it would just be puting it back to automatic
[01:46] <uberdub> I cant even figure out how to get to nm settings from here
[01:47] <tgm4883> ubuntulog: ubuntu 16.04?
[01:47] <xmen26> ..
[01:49] <uberdub> im going to disale, and enable module
[01:49] <tgm4883> ubuntulog: well anyway, click the network manager icon in your indicator tray (top right of your screen), then click "edit connections", select your connection and click edit, select the ipv6 tab then put method to ignore
[01:50] <uberdub> pretty sure its not ppa causing problems
[01:50] <uberdub> apt ping them just fine
[01:51] <uberdub> it hangs on the archive
[01:51] <Sean_McG> uberdub: did you switch it off, is apt-get update any faster now?
[01:51] <uberdub> no
[01:51] <uberdub> I modprobed it...no luck
[01:51] <uberdub> contacting the archive is super slow
[01:51] <tgm4883> uberdub: good luck, I'm going to get food
[01:52] <uberdub> irc was very slow to connect
[01:52] <uberdub> everything else is fine
[01:52] <Sean_McG> oh that is a good point, it is possible that the external ppa site is slow -- I used to get that with openprinting.org
[01:52] <kostkon> uberdub: you could try changing the mirror Ubuntu is connecting to
[01:52] <uberdub> I did
[01:52] <uberdub> same thing
[01:52] <kostkon> ok
[01:52] <uberdub> main server did same
[01:53] <uberdub> ppa's have no problem updating
[01:53] <uberdub> its just ubuntu..and seemingly freenode
[01:54] <Sean_McG> do any other applications have slowness connecring? I wonder if this is a DNS issue
[01:54] <uberdub> no
[01:54] <Sean_McG> hmmm OK
[01:55] <uberdub> seems to resolve ip's just fine everywhere else
[01:55] <uberdub> if it were dns issue, wouldnt my browser be screwy?
[01:55] <kenrin> Well if you are irc'd directly,  comcast in CA is lit up.  http://downdetector.com/status/comcast-xfinity/map
[01:56] <Sean_McG> uberdub: probably, yes
[01:57] <uberdub> yes
[01:57] <uberdub> thats my isp
[01:57] <uberdub> direct
[01:57] <uberdub> that link is telling me socket error
[01:57] <Sean_McG> ouch...so if that is correct the issue is at your isp, not local
[01:58] <ericx2x> What client do you guys use for IRC with ubuntu?
[01:58] <kenrin> weechat
[01:58] <Sean_McG> irssi over here
[01:58] <squinty> hexchat
[01:59] <uberdub> I cant view the link
[01:59] <uberdub> would it explain why only some apps are effected?
[01:59] <kostkon> uberdub: you could wait for the issue to be dealt with I guess
[01:59] <uberdub> ok its open
[01:59] <kenrin> You can have broken traffic one way and not another
[01:59] <uberdub> true
[01:59] <uberdub> udp
[02:00] <uberdub> <wonders how to test the up and down individually
[02:01] <uberdub> im fairly far from mountain view
[02:02] <uberdub> hmmm
[02:03] <kenrin> Yeah thats probably why you still have internet at all
[02:03] <uberdub> i guess I should stop racking my brain over this until comcast get it together, and go from there
[02:03] <Sean_McG> OK so if you made any changes after our recommendations you might want to reveet them
[02:03] <Sean_McG> reveet, even
[02:03] <uberdub> I didnt really
[02:03] <Sean_McG> dammit
[02:03] <uberdub> just disabled ppa
[02:03] <Sean_McG> hate software keyboards
[02:03] <uberdub> no worries
[02:04] <uberdub> thanks for the help fellas
[03:06] <devan> Having an issue with the sound on my HP pavilion dm4 laptop running ubuntu (latest version)
[03:06] <devan> In alsamixer it shows the sound card at full volume, the card is detected
[03:06] <devan> Its just not playing any sound
[03:10] <NewGnuGuy> In my system I have 6 4G DIMMs for a total of 24G of RAM; however, only 9GiB is getting allocated. I'm looking at the task manager memory graph and it's a straight horizontal line at the 9GiB mark. How do I get my system to utilize all of my RAM?
[03:10] <NewGnuGuy> I'm running Xubuntu 16.10.
[03:12] <Bashing-om> NewGnuGuy: Does bios see the 24 Gigs of ram ?
[03:13] <NewGnuGuy> Bashing-om: Yes and I've run Memtest86+ on all 24G.
[03:14] <kenrin> free -mh says 9gb?
[03:15] <NewGnuGuy> kenrin: I don't understand.
[03:15] <Bashing-om> NewGnuGuy: ^ and what says dmidecode ' sudo dmidecode -t memory ' ?
[03:16] <OerHeks> sudo lshw -class memory
[03:19] <osiris> netserv identify kb3fzjk3who
[03:19] <OerHeks> oh dear
[03:19] <Spec> well now you have to change your password
[03:19] <NewGnuGuy> free -mh --> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23520356/
[03:20] <kenrin> Well I don't know what you're seeing but it shows the 23G
[03:21] <tgm4883> he's saying that used memory never goes above 9G
[03:21] <kenrin> ah
[03:22] <tgm4883> NewGnuGuy: If you want to try to load up your RAM and see if it will go above 9G, you could run something like "stress -m 1 --vm-bytes 10G"
[03:25] <tgm4883> NewGnuGuy: actually, that isn't even needed. You're already using more that 9G of memory
[03:25] <tgm4883> NewGnuGuy: according to your pastebin, you're using around 20G of memory
[03:26] <NewGnuGuy> sudo dmidecode -t memory --> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23520418/
[03:28] <tgm4883> NewGnuGuy: you're already using more than 9GB of memory. If you want to see task manager use more, you need to open larger programs
[03:29] <NewGnuGuy> tgm4883: Everything is laggy and takes a really long time to respond to input.
[03:29] <tgm4883> CPU maybe?
[03:31] <tgm4883> NewGnuGuy: I'm doubting memory is your issue there
[03:32] <NewGnuGuy> tgm4883: I wouldn't think so. I'm running on dual Xeon 5620.
[03:32] <kenrin> You could check top
[03:32] <tgm4883> NewGnuGuy: you're going to need to provide way more details. Ubuntu version, desktop environment, GPU, proprietary drivers
[03:32] <tgm4883> htop > top
[03:33] <Sean_McG> yes htop is fantastic
[03:36] <NewGnuGuy> tgm4883: Xubuntu 16.10, Xfce, no proprietary drivers
[03:36] <NewGnuGuy> What command returns GPU info?
[03:37] <kenrin> depends on the kind of info you are looking for
[03:37] <Sean_McG> lspci I would think
[03:38] <NewGnuGuy> from lspci: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ASPEED Technology, Inc. ASPEED Graphics Family (rev 10)
[03:39] <alex333> hi
[03:39] <Sean_McG> wow, never heard of ASPEED before
[03:40] <Bashing-om> NewGnuGuy: Sean_McG Be interesting to see what driver is loaded ' sudo lshw -C display ' .
[03:44] <NewGnuGuy> Bashing-om Sean_McG: sudo lshw -C display --> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23520457/
[03:50] <NewGnuGuy> I'm planning on adding a graphics card to this computer, but at the moment it is a mobo on a piece of cardboard on my desk and I don't trust a large graphics card to remain physically stable when I don't have a case to mount it to yet.
[03:50] <Sean_McG> OK fair enough but that was just a curiosity thing and doesn't address your original issue about load. I have 16GB in my new Skylake box but haven't really stress tested it yet
[03:50] <Bashing-om> NewGnuGuy: Old thread with similr issues : https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=160525 . phoronix says should be fixed as of the 3.16 kernel .., still look'n .
[03:59] <redsynapse> when I try to change my brightness with xbacklight, nothing happens
[04:00] <NewGnuGuy> The memory usage graph has remained a straight horizontal line at 9.0 GiB in the task managers (xfce4-taskmanager & gnome-system-monitor ; I use both) for the duration of this convo.
[04:01] <Bashing-om> NewGnuGuy: What kernel " as 4.4 has a bug that is fixed in next release " Timothy Pearson (1): drm/ast: Fix incorrect register check for DRAM width
[04:03] <NewGnuGuy> Bashing-om: 4.8.0-27-generic
[04:07] <tgm4883> NewGnuGuy: are you running some big memory programs?
[04:10] <NewGnuGuy> tgm4883: Currently I'm mainly running Firefox with tons of tabs open (3.9 GiB) and Android Studio (1.3 GiB).
[04:10] <tgm4883> Did you run the stress command that I posted?
[04:12] <angrycoast> I just recently upgraded to 16.04 and had to redo my gns3 install with https://community.gns3.com/qa/upgrading-to-ubuntu-16-04 but now I am stuck trying to connect to the local host, I get errno 111 connection refused
[04:17] <NewGnuGuy> tgm4883: What does the stress command do exactly?
[04:17] <tgm4883> Man stress
[04:20] <tgm4883> NewGnuGuy: you are using 5.3gb of programs, were you expecting the OS to take more than 4GB of RAM to run?
[04:22] <NewGnuGuy> tgm4883: ran the stress command, now the ram graph is over 9 GiB and is sine wave-ish.
[04:24] <NewGnuGuy> tgm4883: oscillating between about 10 and 17 GiB.
[04:25] <tgm4883> NewGnuGuy: good, are you convinced that the system can use more than 9gb of RAM now?
[04:27] <NewGnuGuy> tgm4883: Yes but it's still not doing so in the applications that are acting sluggish.
[04:27] <taofeng> hi
[04:28] <tgm4883> NewGnuGuy: and you still think it's a RAM issue?
[04:32] <NewGnuGuy> tgm4883: firefox is sluggish and it is consistently utilizing no more 4.0 GiB of RAM
[04:32] <Sean_McG> oh, FF...lol
[04:35] <Sean_McG> not exactly a paragon of memory management
[04:38] <NewGnuGuy> tgm4883: I have somewhere around 100-150 tabs open (yes, I know, I have issues) and there is abundant memory to be had, but firefox consistently is utilizing 3.9-4.0 GiB and seemingly refuses to allocate more.
[04:39] <harry__> hi, with linex how do i install micosoft word?
[04:39] <NewGnuGuy> harry__: sudo apt install libreoffice :P
[04:40] <harry__> how do i do that?
[04:40] <kk4ewt> open a terminal and type
[04:40] <harry__> ok
[04:41] <harry__> ok i done where micosoft word
[04:42] <NewGnuGuy> harry__: What distro, version, and desktop environment are you using?
[04:42] <harry__> im using linex with ubunto one on the website
[04:43] <harry__> i think i get it i found libweoffice on apps it looks with word maybe thanks
[04:46] <tgm4883> NewGnuGuy: what's the output of "dpkg -l | grep firefox"
[04:49] <NewGnuGuy> tgm4883:
[04:49] <NewGnuGuy> ii  firefox                               50.0+build2-0ubuntu0.16.10.2                amd64        Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla
[04:49] <NewGnuGuy> ii  firefox-locale-en                     50.0+build2-0ubuntu0.16.10.2                amd64        English language pack for Firefox
[05:03] <mochaMan> can you configure NetworkManager to activate both a wired and a wireless connection at the same time? I've setup a wifi connection but it doesn't look like it tries to activate it while the wired one is connected
[05:08] <evanderson> join #Brasil
[05:09] <rocketbomb> ทดสอบสั่งสู
[05:09] <rocketbomb> sry wrong channel
[05:11] <Sean_McG> can I summon Exodia now?
[05:24] <varnie> join #perl
[05:26] <jeeves_moss> what would cause my Asus netbook to black screen after the grub menu?
[05:33] <llamarme[m]> I don't like unity environment. I've installed cinnamon but I'm thinking to install mint since it comes with cinnamon. Will this make a difference or shall I just leave this setup alone?
[05:54] <Scario> gavin from India?
[05:55] <Scario> welcome Shri MN Doja
[05:56] <victorqribeiro> hi
[05:59] <Scario> halo rocketbomb
[05:59] <Scario> halo Zee
[06:06] <dreki> While setting up sieve on my email server I mistakenly setup a symlink  (~/sieve/myfilter.svbin > ~/.dovecot.sieve) but that should have been  (~/sieve/myfilter.sieve > ~/.dovecot.sieve). I have fixed the mistake but dovecot/sieve still throws an error saying that the symlink still links to the wrong file. I have made sure the symlink is fixed and I tried restarting dovecot and the server but nothing works. I still get the error and my sieve filters aren't proces
[06:07] <dreki> If anyone has any ideas about what I could be doing wrong I would greatly appreciate any help.
[06:09] <cfhowlett> dreki, ask #dovecot
[06:09] <dreki> cfhowlett: okay I will go there. Thanks.
[06:09] <cfhowlett> happy2help
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> !dovecot
[06:10] <dreki> yeah its imap server
[06:13] <dreki> cfhowlett: If no one in #dovecot responds, where is the next place you would look for help?
[06:14] <cfhowlett> dreki, there is the #ubuntu-server channel - I think this channel attracts "average" desktop users.  Setting up a mailserver is a bit more esoteric.
[06:15] <dreki> thanks again.
[06:45] <hhee> guys, any way to dublicate file in midnight commander?
[06:51] <akik> hhee: esc+5, then set the to: field (new name for the copy)
[06:51] <sadpone> hi, can someone help me, im looking for the best linux to run on an old atom n450 powered netbook
[06:51] <sadpone> the kind that used to come preinstalled and only really able to run windows xp
[06:52] <akik> sadpone: try lubuntu
[06:52] <sadpone> would a 32 bit version of ubuntu on an SSD work alright? or is there another build
[06:52] <sadpone> oh
[06:52] <sadpone> ill look that up is it like a light build?
[06:52] <akik> sadpone: it's probably the lightest one
[06:52] <sadpone> how does it differ to ubuntu?
[06:53] <sadpone> im not entirely sure what constitutes linux OS sizes
[06:53] <for{}> how can i make my screen to go to sleep faster before i login graphically?
[06:53] <akik> sadpone: it has the lxde desktop environment which is much lighter than unity
[06:54] <sadpone> what does that mean?
[06:54] <sadpone> sorry
[06:54] <sadpone> i dont know the significance of the desktop environment
[06:54] <akik> sadpone: what does what mean?
[06:55] <Edu> hello fellow Ubuntu users! n00b here!
[06:55] <akik> sadpone: the graphical ui is the desktop environment you get after login
[06:55] <Edu> Is it possible to have supervisor restart programs at a certain time of day? say 5am?
[06:55] <sadpone> yes, i meant what is its significance, like, is that what makes up a big chunk of the system?
[06:56] <sadpone> moreso im just curious about what it means for the system to be "stripped down"
[06:57] <sadpone> what things get stripped away, besides preinstalled programs
[06:58] <liuxg> I am now trying to build my app using qmake 5.6.1, however, my current installation is 5.5.1. How can I upgrade my qmake version? thanks
[06:58] <akik> sadpone: yes the dependencies of the desktop environment can go to maybe a 100 or 200 packages
[06:59] <akik> sadpone: just try installing lubuntu first
[06:59] <sadpone> what are dependencies? like system functions or services?
[06:59] <hateball> Edu: what do you mean by "supervisor" ?
[06:59] <sadpone> im currently downloading it, its gonna be a while
[07:00] <Edu> @hateball
[07:00] <akik> sadpone: on ubuntu the package manager handles dependencies between packages
[07:00] <Edu> i installed an app called supervisor
[07:00] <hateball> !tab| Edu
[07:00] <akik> sadpone: if package a needs package b, it's handled automatically
[07:00] <Edu> hateball: roger
[07:00] <IWantMoney> how can i make my screen to go to sleep faster before i login graphically?
[07:01] <Edu> hateball: from my research it looks like i need a cron instead of this supervisor thing
[07:01] <hateball> Edu: Interesting, I have not used this myself
[07:01] <sadpone> but on lubuntu i take it, i would have to do that myself?
[07:01] <Edu> basically i just want to restart a program everyday @ 5am
[07:01] <hateball> Edu: Are these services or GUI apps running in an X session?
[07:01] <IWantMoney> hateball, kinda offtopic, but are you curvy?
[07:01] <Edu> hateball: it is a video game server
[07:01] <sadpone> like manually installing system components each time a program i get needs it
[07:01] <hateball> Edu: right, so it runs headless
[07:01] <akik> sadpone: it's taken care of by the package management
[07:02] <Edu> hateball: yes, but it really needs to be restarted once a day
[07:02] <hateball> Edu: crontab is what you want then
[07:02] <akik> sadpone: it's called apt and can be controlled by apt-get or apt
[07:02] <hateball> !cron| Edu
[07:03] <sadpone> yes im fermiliar with using apt-get
[07:03] <hateball> Edu: if you are unfamiliar with crontab syntax, https://crontab.guru/ is handy
[07:03] <Edu> i am going to look at it right now
[07:03] <sadpone> thats how you install programs or update linux
[07:03] <Edu> thx!
[07:06] <sadpone> what would be the difference in boot times for ubuntu and lubuntu?
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> sadpone: boot times is also hardware related, and tweaking
[07:09] <akik> sadpone: that would probably be the same
[07:09] <IWantMoney> how can i make my screen to go to sleep faster before i login graphically?
[07:09] <sadpone> well, i think ill just go with lubuntu and see how it goes
[07:10] <IWantMoney> why crontab and not systemd?
[07:10] <IWantMoney> systemd has its own .timer units
[07:10] <Edu> hateball: so basically i need to have a script that restarts the server itself
[07:10] <Edu> hateball: and then just run that script @ 5am using cron
[07:11] <hateball> Edu: How is the server run today? Do you manually start a binary as some user?
[07:12] <Edu> hateball: i launch a .sh which in turn launches a binary, as a user yes
[07:12] <backbox> hey
[07:12] <Edu> hateball: i could probably just use a script that kills all screens
[07:13] <Edu> hateball: then supervisor should automatically restart it i believe
[07:13] <hateball> Edu: well without knowing what the thing is it's pretty hard to say. Does the .sh have any sanity checks in itself? Like if you run it twice, will it restart the server or do you need to do that manually?
[07:13] <Edu> hateball: kind of noob ghetto
[07:13] <backbox> i want hack website
[07:13] <backbox> i can pay money
[07:13] <hateball> !ot | backbox
[07:13] <Edu> hateball: it will launch the server again and kind of mess things up, it will not restart the current one
[07:14] <brotherBox> hi guys. im using the GUI installer on an UEFI system and i want to use my ESP partition as /boot, but the interface wont let me. it seems to be common practice though. is there a way to use ESP as /boot?
[07:14] <brotherBox> backbox gives regular boxes a bad name :(
[07:21] <carly> hey guys
[07:21] <carly> have a question
[07:22] <carly> anyone here?
[07:22] <hateball> !ask | carly
[07:22] <carly> ubottu: sorry!
[07:23] <carly> okay so i need to get my ubuntu back to 16.4 from 16.10
[07:23] <carly> i hate this!
[07:23] <carly> its not working i cant even add chrome, nothing uddates it is hard to work with and i really liked the initial version
[07:24] <carly> i updated on accident really, anyone know how i can downgrade back?
[07:28] <carly> please does anyone know how i can install chrome
[07:28] <carly> so that i have flash and can watch tv on my darn laptop
[07:29] <LonelyPatient_> 有中国人吗
[07:30] <MarxLenin99> I need help
[07:31] <LonelyPatient_> what's wrong?
[07:32] <LonelyPatient_> 有会中文的吗,好烦
[07:33] <LonelyPatient_> quit
[07:33] <Tkong[m]> 這玩意速度真慢
[07:33] <LonelyPatient_> ##quit
[07:33] <MarxLenin99> I'm trying to run Ubuntu using vbox. I can get to the install screen, and then it goes black
[07:33] <LonelyPatient_> 这没什么用啊,就一个在线聊天室 有啥用啊
[07:34] <LonelyPatient_> 国外有什么好的linux论坛推荐吗
[07:34] <elias_a> carly: Downgrading is not supported.
[07:34] <Tkong[m]> 😏
[07:34] <Tkong[m]> 表情都沒有
[07:34] <carly> no one is answerig me tonighjt
[07:34] <elias_a> Easiest way of downgrading: back up your user data, install from scratch and put your files back to /home.
[07:35] <MarxLenin99> Oh well
[07:35] <Tkong[m]> 艹，我不會英文
[07:35] <elias_a> carly: My last was for you. :)
[07:36] <LonelyPatient_> 会中文的出来咯
[07:36] <carly> no downgrading!?
[07:36] <carly> elias_a: can i wipe it and have it reboot into 16.04
[07:36] <hateball> !chrome | carly
[07:36] <hateball> ugh
[07:36] <hateball> carly: anyhow, you download chrome from google directly and just run the deb they provide
[07:37] <elias_a> carly: Check this video to install Chrome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNJB_HpUq_k
[07:37] <carly> hateball: they dont make flash for anything else anymore, i can't watch my tv :( also, i did run the deb but they only provide one for 64 and i am runnning 32 :(
[07:37] <elias_a> carly: If Chromium is not good enough...
[07:37] <hateball> or if you like chromium instead, "sudo apt install chromium-browser adobe-flashplugin"
[07:37] <hateball> carly: oh 32-bit, that's... I have no idea about that
[07:38] <Tkong[m]> 都出來
[07:38] <LonelyPatient_> 这里就一个在线提问题的聊天室了.
[07:38] <giany> How can I see the install date of a package by running a command only..?
[07:38] <carly> chromium is just fine its adobe flash that is messing everything up :(
[07:38] <LonelyPatient_> Tk是哪里的?
[07:38] <carly> hateball: nooo! So there is no way to wipe and re-install ubuntu?
[07:39] <carly> how can i just start over without having to place the boot usb onto my laptop
[07:39] <elias_a> carly: Yes there is a way to reinstall Ubuntu. Sure.
[07:39] <LonelyPatient_> can you see me? what the fuck!
[07:39] <Tkong[m]> 淪陷區
[07:40] <carly> elias_a: is it easy or difficult or complicated? And is there a way for me to just upgrade to the 64bit version - sorry if i sound stupid i'm really new to all of this
[07:40] <LonelyPatient_> 什么鬼,不懂.香港人?
[07:40] <hateball> giany: you can grep through /var/log/apt/history*
[07:40] <hateball> !cn | LonelyPatient_
[07:41] <elias_a> carly: But given the fact that you have to ask it there are a couple things you shoud consider like backing your files up before formatting your linux partitions.
[07:41] <hateball> carly: Switching architecture is not super easy, altho possible. The easiest way would be to backup data and reinstall 64-bit
[07:41] <LonelyPatient_> ubottu tks
[07:41] <carly> i dont really have anything important on this computer...
[07:41] <Tkong[m]> 淪陷區不知道？
[07:41] <elias_a> LonelyPatient_: We do see you. This is a support channel so people do not react to nonsense.
[07:41] <carly> okay would you mind shooting me some info on how to go about that
[07:42] <carly> pretty please!? :)
[07:42] <LonelyPatient_> 讲明白点,你繁体字,我猜你大概是港澳台了
[07:42] <Tkong[m]> 好吧，你是哪裡的！
[07:42] <LonelyPatient_> 我在长沙
[07:42] <elias_a> carly: If you don't any data you need to save, you can do a new install.
[07:43] <Tkong[m]> LonelyPatient_: 嗯哼
[07:43] <LonelyPatient_> 你知道?
[07:43] <hateball> Tkong[m], LonelyPatient_ do speak english
[07:43] <carly> elias_a: okay! how should i do that?
[07:43] <carly> i meant really....really new to this lol
[07:43] <Tkong[m]> LonelyPatient_: 知道的
[07:44] <elias_a> carly: Are there other operating systems in that computer?
[07:44] <LonelyPatient_> 他让我们讲英文额.
[07:44] <carly> elias_a: no i wiped it before i booted it with a bootable usb
[07:44] <LonelyPatient_> ok, i spek english
[07:44] <Tkong[m]> LonelyPatient_: 不會英文怎麼講！😂
[07:44] <hateball> carly: Any reason you used 32-bit instead of 64-bit?
[07:45] <LonelyPatient_>  use  pingying
[07:45] <carly>  hateball nope! Just an idiot lol, didnt even realize i did it
[07:45] <elias_a> carly: Here's how you install: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/install-ubuntu-desktop
[07:45] <IWantMoney> how can i make my screen to go to sleep faster before i login graphically?
[07:45] <LonelyPatient_> hateball why your name is red?
[07:46] <IWantMoney> because hes a hate ball
[07:46] <hateball> LonelyPatient_: Because your IRC client picked that color
[07:46] <carly> elias_a: should i wipe what i have on here first?
[07:46] <IWantMoney> hate is red, dammit
[07:46] <IWantMoney> peace is blue
[07:46] <carly> elias_a: the comp only has 2gb memory btw
[07:46] <hateball> carly: The installer will offer to wipe the whole drive, just like it did the first time
[07:46] <carly> dnt know if that matters
[07:46] <IWantMoney> god is white and devil is black
[07:46] <DroIos> Does anyone here know a good bit about phone operating systems
[07:46] <elias_a> carly: Here's how you download and create the USB stick: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[07:46] <carly> okay awesome!
[07:47] <hateball> carly: And 2GB is fine, the overhead of 64-bit is neglible
[07:47] <hateball> carly: At least when you compare it to not being able to run the software you want, at all
[07:47] <carly> elias_a: hateball i wont have to reinstall w a usb right???
[07:47] <DroIos> I was wondering how they are made, and what I need
[07:47] <carly> hateball: yes true true
[07:47] <elias_a> carly: Yes you do.
[07:47] <hateball> carly: Well yes, you would need to download the 64-bit iso and put onto the thumbdrive and then reinstall
[07:47] <DroIos> Is it posible to build an OS?
[07:47] <venzen> Tkong[m]: google翻译帮助我理解你的最后一条消息
[07:47] <carly> oh man :(
[07:47] <carly> darn
[07:47] <hateball> !ot | DroIos
[07:47] <carly> that takes forever lol
[07:47] <LonelyPatient_> i need a linux bbs, can you recommend one?
[07:48] <elias_a> carly: The system files you need in the installation process are on the USB drive.
[07:48] <DroIos> I know, I am here because I am using ubuntu to build android
[07:49] <carly> okay....damn so upsetting i thought there would be a way to just reboot with a new system from here...like a command or something...there arent any options since im running linux right?
[07:49] <LonelyPatient_> Too bad I think chat room, not help
[07:49] <elias_a> carly: It takes a long time if you are running an old pc, true.
[07:49] <Tkong[m]> venzen: 最後一條？
[07:49] <venzen> Tkong[m]: 很高兴看到人们在这里说中文
[07:49] <vulg> !cn | venzen
[07:49] <carly> i initially had ubuntu but i was trying to change to linux and a woman on this channel gave me a command to run so that i could boot linux 32bit
[07:49] <vulg> !jp | venzen
[07:49] <LonelyPatient_> 我们去中文区吧
[07:49] <vulg> !ko | venzen
[07:50] <Tkong[m]> venzen:我是穿越GFW出來的
[07:50] <elias_a> carly: Upgrade replaces the system files. That is similar in all computer OSs I know.
[07:50] <carly> ok i gotcha
[07:50] <LonelyPatient_> 用的hosts 都没法看youtube视频,太糟糕了
[07:50] <venzen> Tkong[m]: 是的最后一个，对不起，我不能加入的谈话
[07:50] <elias_a> carly: Gotta go now. Ppl will help you. Good luck!
[07:51] <venzen> LonelyPatient_: what is bbs?
[07:51] <carly> kk! thanks!
[07:51] <Tkong[m]> LonelyPatient_: 中文區？哪裡
[07:51] <carly> hateball: i juust found a 32bit flash player download tar.gz for chromium!
[07:51] <LonelyPatient_> venzen: forum
[07:51] <Tkong[m]> venzen: what？
[07:52] <carly> hateball: having so much trouble with installs though, can you help me install the tar.gz
[07:52] <elias_a> carly: One more thing! Consider making a separate /home partition during installation: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/installseparatehome
[07:52] <venzen> LonelyPatient_: i haven't found a good open source bbs
[07:53] <LonelyPatient_> venzen: are you chinese?
[07:53] <carly> elias_a: thank you very much!
[07:53] <venzen> LonelyPatient_: not in the Ubuntu package repository, no i'm not but i have google translate :)
[07:53] <elias_a> carly: That means your data is on a separate partition and it is easier to back up. Separate /home can also be kept intact during installation / upgrade.
[07:54] <venzen> LonelyPatient_: how about zeronet?
[07:54] <elias_a> carly: You're welcome.
[07:54] <vulg> hateball, i really like your nickname
[07:54] <LonelyPatient_> ventu: can you speak chinese?
[07:54] <vulg> how can i make my screen to go to sleep faster before i login graphically?
[07:54] <venzen> LonelyPatient_: i cannot speak Chinese - i used Google transalte service
[07:54] <venzen> *translate
[07:55] <venzen> LonelyPatient_: look at ZeroNet https://zeronet.io/
[07:55] <LonelyPatient_> venzen: where are you from?
[07:55] <venzen> That is a distributed bbs based on the Bitcoin blockchain design
[07:56] <venzen> Once you put it it up, no-one can take it down :)
[07:56] <LonelyPatient_> venzen: can't open it! This site can’t be reached
[07:57] <venzen> LonelyPatient_: ok hold on...
[07:57] <LonelyPatient_> ubottu is a robot? oh my god !
[07:57] <venzen> LonelyPatient_: here is the GitHub page: https://github.com/HelloZeroNet/ZeroNet
[07:58] <LonelyPatient_> i said to him 'thanks',it's funney!
[07:59] <venzen> ubottu: say the password
[07:59] <someone235> Hi, this is my partitions: http://i.imgur.com/VhtnGUZ.png how can I move the unallocated space right to /dev/sda2?
[08:00] <LonelyPatient_> how can i reply message?  ex: quote username
[08:00] <venzen> LonelyPatient_: can you access the ZeroNet GitHub page?
[08:00] <LonelyPatient_> yes  i  got it
[08:00] <venzen> great
[08:01] <venzen> LonelyPatient_: you want to send a private message? /query username
[08:02] <LonelyPatient_> no, like "venzen:"
[08:03] <lotus777> hello
[08:03] <LonelyPatient_> what type the site is? about linux?
[08:04] <venzen> LonelyPatient_: you type the first few characters and then press tab
[08:04] <lotus777> Linux.com
[08:05] <lotus777> LonelyPatient_ what do you mean?
[08:05] <venzen> LonelyPatient_: this is a channel for Ubuntu Linux - its a popular distribution because it is good
[08:05] <backbox> can you tell me how to remove grub
[08:05] <LonelyPatient_> lotus777:  i looking for a linux forum
[08:06] <LonelyPatient_> a good one
[08:06] <venzen> backbox: first one in Yoda's Brain Connector: http://askubuntu.com/questions/131168/how-do-i-uninstall-grub
[08:06] <backbox> where
[08:06] <LonelyPatient_> venzen: your are so nice guy ,thank you!
[08:06] <akik> LonelyPatient_: askubuntu.com
[08:07] <backbox> thanks guys
[08:07] <venzen> LonelyPatient_: yes, askubuntu.com
[08:08] <LonelyPatient_> nice,i take it ,it's good site for ubuntu
[08:08] <akik> LonelyPatient_: https://ubuntuforums.org/
[08:10] <rko-l> Hi bro, i'm from Indonesia
[08:11] <sruli> i need some help to make an array from a string, i get the string by awk print first column, the issue i have is that most have multiple words, so when i turn into array each word becomes an element i need each line to be an element i tried adding quote marks but it does not help, this is what i use at the moment "lisy=$ ... | awk 'BEGIN{FS="  "}{ print "\""$1"\"" }'" and echo "${list[@]}" can anyone please help me out, thanks
[08:11] <LonelyPatient_> halo,i'm come from  China
[08:12] <LonelyPatient_> my english is sucks
[08:14] <LonelyPatient_> anybody give me a gmail! we can be a friend.
[08:16] <AndChat|181649> Why gmail?
[08:18] <phil42> we can be friends right here
[08:18] <phil42> do you run ubuntu?
[08:19] <hateball> !ot| Please only use this channel for support questions
[08:19] <codebyter> is this the right place to ask for some help with some networking problems?
[08:20] <sruli> codebyter: you can try
[08:20] <codebyter> ok, this is my crappy drawing: https://goo.gl/Gz9yY2
[08:20] <codebyter> these are my iptables: https://gist.github.com/carldanley/81cd03b1707caafd01e4066c00714264
[08:20] <codebyter> what am i doing wrong?
[08:20] <codebyter> i have no internet when i activate those tables
[08:23] <sruli> codebyter: i am not an expert but to me it seems biggest problem is you havent set iptable rules for ESTABLISHED, REALATED , (did not read your topology)
[08:23] <sruli> without established&realated rule traffic cannot reach you on the way back
[08:28] <LonelyPatient_> AndChat|181649: gmail used to contact
[08:29] <LonelyPatient_> phil42:  yes, my  os was ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[08:37] <allard-a1fa> testing
[08:40] <uruk7> hello i want to change ip from terminal in ubuntu 16.04 change interfaces and ifconfig enp2s0 down and up but when ifconfig -a the ip inet is the same , no change
[08:42] <LonelyPatient_> are you restart network service?
[08:57] <ilhami> hi.
[09:12] <Scario> Halo Devnull
[09:16] <Scario> halo Pieter Bezuidenhout
[09:19] <carldanle> anyone here familiar with ip tables and stuff? im really stuck on things
[09:19] <sruli> carldanle: ask your question.. if anyone can help they will
[09:20] <carldanle> same thing sruli, I couldn't remember your name
[09:20] <sruli> carldanle: did you add a rule for established&realated?
[09:21] <carldanle> do you have an example by any chance? im still a newbie to ubuntu networking
[09:21] <bhuddah> then how about using ufw and not manually butchering iptables?
[09:22] <carldanle> that's possible too i suppose
[09:22] <carldanle> so just accept everything on iptables?
[09:23] <bhuddah> it's a frontend that acutally translates in iptables
[09:23] <sruli> carldanle: try "iptables -A INPUT  -m conntrack --ctstate ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT"
[09:23] <Guest90051> Where do I go to find someone experienced in android/IOS operating system code?
[09:24] <Guest90051> Google beholds no keys for this door
[09:24] <carldanle> sruli: trying
[09:24] <carldanle> bhuddah: i can dig that - think that might make more sense right?
[09:26] <cfhowlett> Guest90051, www.rent-acoder.com
[09:28] <bhuddah> carldanle: it might be a good starting point to get an idea how a working iptables setup for you looks like.
[09:29] <carldanle> bhuddah: i have it working with all policies as accept and turned on masquerading for the external nic
[09:29] <carldanle> i turned ufw on and allowed in from external nic for port 80 and it instantly did what i wanted it to
[09:30] <bhuddah> carldanle: another good strategy is to add logging rules right at the end of the tables to see what gets caught by the default policy.
[09:30] <carldanle> oh whoa, you can do that?
[09:31] <bhuddah> carldanle: i think ufw can do that too on a higher logging setting.
[09:33] <carldanle> bhuddah: if i leave ufw enabled and reboot, will it re-enable ufw again?
[09:33] <vaba> yes
[09:33] <bhuddah> carldanle: try it. i think the manual says yes.
[09:34] <carldanle> good call
[09:35] <thor> how to install java on ubuntu 17.04?
[09:36] <sruli> talking about FW, is there a way to make application based rules?
[09:36] <cfhowlett> !zenial | Thorstenmari ,
[09:37] <cfhowlett> !zesty | thor
[09:47] <hello> want to know how to scan android device in linux terminal ?
[09:52] <themistereco> the organisation i work for seems to block the terminal apt-get install function, any ideas how i can circumnavigate through this? is there a different port i can use or a different command?
[09:52] <cfhowlett> themistereco, try apt
[09:53] <rory> What is the difference between ctrl-shift-v, and shift-insert. seems like sometimes when I copy text, I have to use shift-insert to paste, but can't see a pattern to it.
[09:54] <rory> and sometimes they paste different things entirely.
[09:54] <themistereco> cfhowlett: ok, i get a description of apt
[09:54] <marshall__> Anyone think they can help me access files on my old disk partition?
[09:56] <themistereco> cfhowlett: any ideas what i can do?
[09:56] <marshall__> Need help with accessing photos on a different partition.
[09:56] <cfhowlett> themistereco, if you have 16.04, use apt not apt-gt
[09:56] <ducasse> rory: shify+insert pastes the x selection buffer, ctrl+v the clipboard
[09:57] <sruli> themistereco: insteat of apt-get just use apt "apt install something"
[09:57] <rory> what determines whether ctrl-c'ing a bit of text in Chrome, sends the text to the clipboard or the x selector buffer?
[09:57] <themistereco> sruli: cfhowlett hmmm ok let me try
[09:57] <rory> Can I make it always go to one or the other?
[09:58] <ducasse> rory: just highlighting it sends it to the selection buffer, ctrl+c the clipboard. use clipit or parcellite to sync them.
[09:58] <marshall__> I had some problems with OpenSUSE and Mint, so I installed Ubuntu 16.04, making a new partition, and now I can't access my photos from the old mint partition.
[09:58] <sruli> marshall__: how is it connected to ur machine? what is partition type?
[09:58] <marshall__> hdd
[09:58] <marshall__> I created it during ubuntu 1604 intallation
[09:59] <marshall__> I think I can see the file, but I believe to access the documents/photos, I would need to access the root file in that partition, right?
[10:00] <themistereco> sruli: cfhowlett i tried sudo apt install but still i got unable to fetch
[10:00] <sruli> marshall__: is it ext 4? did you use any encryption? are the docs under ecryptfs?
[10:01] <cfhowlett> themistereco, time to talk to your IT department
[10:01] <cfhowlett> wait, what release are you on?
[10:01] <sruli> themistereco: i didnt think that would help, i gues you would need to download the files and install using dpkg
[10:01] <marshall__> docs are not encrypted to my knowledge. It is ext 4
[10:02] <sruli> marshall__: pate output of lsblk to paste.ubuntu.com
[10:02] <themistereco> sruli: hmmm ok
[10:02] <themistereco> sruli: yes when i apt download i get the .deb files and i can install them individually.
[10:02] <ducasse> marshall__: the files are likely stored with another userid, in which case you need to copy them as root
[10:03] <sruli> themistereco: great now use dpkg -i to install
[10:03] <themistereco> sruli: thanks
[10:04] <hello> I can use little help here from you guys about android run scan in OS
[10:04] <marshall__> pasted. Thing is that I cannot find the files. I've been searching folders manually for anything that sounds familiar, but I think that they are in the root directory because I saved them under my profile, which was admin
[10:05] <sruli> marshall__: url of the paste?
[10:05] <cfhowlett> admin is not root, marshall__
[10:05] <cfhowlett> go to your /home/username folder.
[10:05] <marshall__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23521482/
[10:05] <marshall__> sorry, I'm still learning
[10:05] <sruli> hello: be specific, what exactly are you trying to do?
[10:07] <marshall__> the partition is at sda5
[10:08] <sruli> marshall__:  what do you have under /media/marshall/eaafd382-a690-42c5-a7f8-c75e90ea4974/home/ ?
[10:09] <marshall__> That's what's left of my old mint partition. I can open it and see lots of folders/files, but I haven't been able to locate my documents and photos
[10:10] <marshall__> I'm still learning how to navigate with the terminal,and I'm not sure how the tree(?) is structured
[10:10] <akik> marshall__: please use linux terms when describing your situation
[10:10] <akik> marshall__: i.e. home directory, user account
[10:11] <marshall__> ok, sorry, I'm new to the terminology. If I say something wrong, please let me know
[10:11] <akik> marshall__: even if your user account had sudo rights (=admin ?), the files live in your home directory under /home/username
[10:13] <Ilyas> remark about 16.04 server documentation: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/network-configuration.html seems to not mention the naming changes, which are mentinoed here http://askubuntu.com/questions/689070/network-interface-name-changes-after-update-to-15-10-udev-changes#689143
[10:13] <akik> marshall__: you can use this syntax to find all jpg files for example: find / -type f -name "*jpg"
[10:14] <marshall__> Ok, so I'm looking at my username directory within the home directory, and I only see two file, a README.txt and a Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop
[10:14] <hateball> akik: Assuming only jpg files contain jpg in their names ;)
[10:14] <sruli> marshall__: its encrypted
[10:14] <marshall__> so do I use the terminal to navigate to that directory, and then type those commands?
[10:15] <marshall__> oh
[10:15] <marshall__> how did you find that out? is it in the way something was written?
[10:15] <sruli> Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop
[10:16] <marshall__> I get this message when trying to access either of those files: The link “Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop” is broken.
[10:16] <sruli> marshall__: in that directory whats the ouput of "ls -lah"
[10:18] <zzarr> hello!
[10:18] <marshall__> where shall I paste it, sruli?
[10:18] <sruli> paste.ubuntu.com
[10:19] <marshall__> done
[10:19] <sruli> url?
[10:19] <zzarr> I have a just started my computer, something is hoging over 2GB of RAM
[10:20] <zzarr> I have xchat, teamviewer, chrome (3 tabs) and the system monitor running
[10:21] <hateball> zzarr: And that isnt showing in the system monitor then? Which process is eating all the memory
[10:21] <zzarr> no, something is hoging more and more RAM
[10:22] <sruli> zzarr: check the output of "ps aux  | awk '{print $6/1024 " MB\t\t" $11}'  | sort -n" highest results at end of list
[10:22] <sruli> marshall__: what is the urlk of ur last paste?
[10:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[10:23] <a1b2c3d4e5f6g7h8> a1 b2 c3 d4 e5 f6 g7 h8 i9 j10 k11 l12 m13 n14 o15 p16 q17 r18 s19 t20 u21 v22 w23 x24 y25 z26zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcbaa1b2c3d4e5f6g7h8i9j10k11l12m13n14o15p16q17r18s19t20u21v22w23x24y25z26z26 y25 x24 w23 v22 u21 t20 s19 r18 q17 p16 o15 n14 m13 l12 k11 j10 i9 h8 g7 f6 e5 d4 c3 b2 a1a1 b2 c3 d4 e5 f6 g7 h8 i9 j10 k11 l12 m13 n14 o15 p16 q17 r18 s19 t20 u21 v22 w23 x24 y25 z26zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcbaa1b2c3d4e5f6g7h8i9j10k11l12m13n14o15p16q17r18s
[10:23] <marshall__> sorry, it's http://paste.ubuntu.com/23521520/
[10:23] <a1b2c3d4e5f6g7h8> a1 b2 c3 d4 e5 f6 g7 h8 i9 j10 k11 l12 m13 n14 o15 p16 q17 r18 s19 t20 u21 v22 w23 x24 y25 z26z26 y25 x24 w23 v22 u21 t20 s19 r18 q17 p16 o15 n14 m13 l12 k11 j10 i9 h8 g7 f6 e5 d4 c3 b2 a1a1b2c3d4e5f6g7h8i9j10k11l12m13n14o15p16q17r18s19t20u21v22w23x24y25z26zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba
[10:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> why is fast/quick boot meant to be disable for UEFI installs?
[10:23] <a1b2c3d4e5f6g7h8> zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcbaa1 b2 c3 d4 e5 f6 g7 h8 i9 j10 k11 l12 m13 n14 o15 p16 q17 r18 s19 t20 u21 v22 w23 x24 y25 z26a1b2c3d4e5f6g7h8i9j10k11l12m13n14o15p16q17r18s19t20u21v22w23x24y25z26z26 y25 x24 w23 v22 u21 t20 s19 r18 q17 p16 o15 n14 m13 l12 k11 j10 i9 h8 g7 f6 e5 d4 c3 b2 a1
[10:23] <marshall__> sruli: I'm also new to irc
[10:23] <a1b2c3d4e5f6g7h8> a1 b2 c3 d4 e5 f6 g7 h8 i9 j10 k11 l12 m13 n14 o15 p16 q17 r18 s19 t20 u21 v22 w23 x24 y25 z26a1 b2 c3 d4 e5 f6 g7 h8 i9 j10 k11 l12 m13 n14 o15 p16 q17 r18 s19 t20 u21 v22 w23 x24 y25 z26a1 b2 c3 d4 e5 f6 g7 h8 i9 j10 k11 l12 m13 n14 o15 p16 q17 r18 s19 t20 u21 v22 w23 x24 y25 z26a1 b2 c3 d4 e5 f6 g7 h8 i9 j10 k11 l12 m13 n14 o15 p16 q17 r18 s19 t20 u21 v22 w23 x24 y25 z26a1 b2 c3 d4 e5 f6 g7 h8 i9 j10 k11 l12 m13 n14 o15 p16 q17 r18 s19 t20 u2
[10:24] <sruli> marshall__: i meant run that command in the username directorey
[10:24] <marshall__> ok, I'll be right back
[10:25] <a1b2c3d4e5f6g7h8> the first one is the most of my life, but the other day, but the other day, but the only way you want. you are not in use. the only way you want. you can also do not want to go to the next few days. I am going to the next few days. if the weather is nice to have the right to stay on your own. the first one is for a couple days ago. I will not be a good time for a couple days, but I think I
[10:26] <marshall__> sruli, is the directory called "username"? I thought you meant for me to run it in the directory with the name of the profile (mine) where they were saved. Can you help me understand, please
[10:27] <marshall__> by "they", I mean the files I'm trying to access
[10:27] <sruli> marshall__: ok lets take it one step at a time, post output of "ls -alh home/"
[10:27] <zzarr> yea, teamviewer is taking about 700 MB, mediascanner-extractor, just under 250MB, dropbox and compiz just under 200 MB each, still it adds up to 2.7GB
[10:29] <marshall__> do you mean home from the partition I'm trying to access, or home from the main partition?
[10:30] <sruli> zzarr: how many times is chome listed? add them all up, u can also check chrome's built in task manager to see
[10:30] <sruli> marshall__: the one u r trying to access
[10:30] <marshall__> thanks, I'll brb with the link
[10:30] <marshall__> url
[10:35] <zzarr> sruli, I killed chrome, but no major change
[10:37] <marshall__> sruli: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23521573/
[10:38] <SaggyClit> I require a large clit to lick.
[10:38] <ducasse> !ops | SaggyClit
[10:40] <sruli> marshall__: i guess the docs u r trying to recover are for the user "marshall"?
[10:41] <marshall__> yes. That is my username
[10:41] <sruli> marshall__: post output of "ls -alh home/marshall"
[10:41] <marshall__> ok
[10:42] <marshall__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23521591/
[10:44] <cfhowlett> enryption?  really should have mentioned that sooner ...
[10:44] <zzarr> I'll reboot again
[10:45] <zzarr> brb
[10:46] <marshall__> cfhowlett, is that meant for me?
[10:46] <sruli> marshall__: ok cd to into the marshall directory and do "sudo ecryptfs-recover-private"
[10:46] <marshall__> sruli, ok, brb
[10:46] <sruli> marshall__: i take it that you remember the password for that user account?
[10:46] <DevAntoine> gi
[10:47] <DevAntoine> I've got the following cron file (put in /etc/cron.d) http://pastebin.com/3aWD4XJe and the following executed script: http://pastebin.com/zddpWh04 Logs print this: /home/antoine/dev/projects/agenor/backend/scripts/manager-planning.sh: line 6: $APP_PATH/scripts/agecom-command.sh: No such file or directory
[10:47] <DevAntoine> Why the variable isn't replaced in the command?
[10:47] <marshall__> yes
[10:47] <DevAntoine> when the script takes the argument it doesn't replace the variable?
[10:47] <sruli> marshall__: output of last command?
[10:48] <marshall__> says the command isn't found
[10:49] <marshall__> I triple checked the spelling with yours
[10:49] <sruli> DevAntoine: you got $1 instead of $i
[10:50] <DevAntoine> sruli: as expacted
[10:50] <DevAntoine> I want to get the argument passed to this command
[10:50] <marshall__> sudo ecryptfs-recover-private
[10:50] <DevAntoine> wait
[10:50] <sruli> DevAntoine: opps, didnt read it correctly, how do you pass the path variable to the script?
[10:51] <DevAntoine> why I've got an error on $APP_PATH oO
[10:51] <DevAntoine> sruli: see first link
[10:51] <LinuxNovice> hi, I needed some help.
[10:51] <DevAntoine> it's the first arg
[10:52] <marshall__> sruli, just making sure none of those black messages were directed at me
[10:52] <LinuxNovice> is there any difference between installing Ubuntu 16.04 and then installing LXDE on top of it and installing Lubuntu?
[10:52] <LinuxNovice> I have a very old laptop and I'm sure Ubuntu 16.04 won't run on it.
[10:53] <cfhowlett> LinuxNovice, yes.  lubuntu has different default apps.  if your laptop won't run ubuntu, then download the lubuntu .iso and make a usb.
[10:53] <sruli> marshall__: you are now using ubuntu, right?
[10:53] <marshall__> yes
[10:53] <mcphail> LinuxNovice: you'd install something like "lubuntu-desktop" if you want the full experience
[10:53] <LinuxNovice> what is that lubuntu-desktop?
[10:54] <LinuxNovice> I am new to Linux.
[10:54] <mcphail> LinuxNovice: lxde plus all the tweaks from Lubuntu
[10:54] <cfhowlett> LinuxNovice, open a terminal.  type apt show lubuntu-desktop
[10:54] <sruli> marshall__: do you see a .Private directory in ur current install? "ls -alh ~"
[10:55] <marshall__> do I need to go back to the main partition I'm currently working in?
[10:55] <LinuxNovice> what does that do? apt show lubuntu-desktop
[10:55] <sruli> marshall__: that should work from where you are
[10:55] <cfhowlett> LinuxNovice, it shows the packages
[10:55] <LinuxNovice> I have installed LXLE now.
[10:56] <cfhowlett> LinuxNovice, lxle is not ubuntu and is not supported here.
[10:56] <sruli> DevAntoine: echo the 2 variables from the cron script as root user, is the output as expected?
[10:56] <marshall__> sruli, there's no .Private directory
[10:56] <LinuxNovice> Yeah. I know. I wanted to install Ubuntu or its variants.
[10:57] <LinuxNovice> just wanted to know if there is any difference.
[10:57] <sruli> marshall__: sudo apt-get install ecryptfs-utils when done run sudo ecryptfs-recover-private
[10:57] <marshall__> sruli, ok, brb
[10:58] <LinuxNovice> It means installing LXDE on top of Ubuntu is different than installing Lubuntu?
[10:58] <cfhowlett> LinuxNovice, asked and answered ... YES they are different
[10:58] <LinuxNovice> ok.
[10:58] <ducasse> DevAntoine: that won't work, the variable in the second line won't be expanded
[10:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi LinuxNovice
[11:00] <DevAntoine> ducasse: how can I make it work?
[11:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, you don't need to pm
[11:00] <LinuxNovice> ok.
[11:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, and  I belive as I tried to explain before
[11:01] <LinuxNovice> yes.
[11:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, 16.10 or 16.04 is the version and the base
[11:01] <ducasse> DevAntoine: by not usign variables on the right-hand side in an assignment
[11:01] <ducasse> *using
[11:01] <LinuxNovice> yes. I know. 16.04 is a LTS release.
[11:01] <marshall__> sruli, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23521632/
[11:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, if you started with for example  Lubuntu 16.04  or  Ubuntu 16.04, you would have the same version base
[11:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, it would be the same basically except for the interface being different and things like hat
[11:02] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD: ok
[11:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, that's also why can  intalll different interfaces into the same install, since the base install version wil stay the same
[11:03] <DevAntoine> ducasse: but I want the $AGECOM_COMMAND to be passed to the script
[11:03] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD: But, I tried Ubuntu 16.04 on my laptop it was very slow. my laptop is very old. But, Lubuntu worked fine on this. Why is that?
[11:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, 16.04  is the version for  Ubuntu or any of it' offical dervatives such as lubunu and xubuntu etc
[11:03] <ducasse> DevAntoine: then you need several slightly different variables
[11:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, if you installed from a 16.04 version as in the ISO  for one, or downloade another from the repos
[11:04] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD: the question is installing LXDE on Ubuntu, will it give the same performance as Lubuntu?
[11:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, yes that' to be expectd, since you  said the lap top is from like 2005 as well ?
[11:04] <DevAntoine> ducasse: ?
[11:05] <sruli> marshall__: take ownership of that directory, "sudo chown -R marshall:marshall /media/marshall/"
[11:05] <ducasse> DevAntoine: why '?'?
[11:05] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD: I usually download the iso and burn it on the usb drive and install from that.
[11:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, Unity 7 the interface used by default in Ubuntu, on top of GNOME 3 otherwise,  and Unity is used by default instead of the GNOME Shell interface for GNOME 3
[11:06] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD: ok
[11:06] <ducasse> DevAntoine: i'll say it again: you can't use variables on the right-hand side in an assignment
[11:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, both of those interfaces are likely to no work  that well if at all raelly, on a old  lap top, since being more resource hungry, hardawre resources
[11:06] <marshall__> sruli, done. Should I retry the "ecryptfs..." command?
[11:06] <sruli> yes
[11:07] <mcphail> LinuxNovice: if you install the lubuntu-desktop package, it will install LXDE and all the lubuntu customisations, giving you a full lubuntu experience. At the login screen, you can pick a Lubuntu session rather than the default Ubuntu/Unity session, and it should be a nippy and agile as a fresh lubuntu install
[11:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, so yes a older lap top should be much bettter off with LXDE/Lubuntu  XFCE/Xubuntu or Mate
[11:07] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD: what is I install Ubuntu LTS and then LXDE interface? will it work?
[11:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or maybe maybe Cinnamon
[11:07] <DevAntoine> ducasse: yeah, that one, I got it. But as I said I need to pass the $AGECOM_COMMAND to my .sh and I don't know why. And I don't know either what you mean with "slightly different variables"
[11:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, yes old lap top don't bother wih Unity if it' o old baialy or GNOME 3
[11:07] <cfhowlett> LinuxNovice, you said you had lxle installed on that computer, not ubuntu.
[11:07] <marshall__> sruli, It gave me the same result: permission denied
[11:08] <LinuxNovice> yes. I intend to try Ubuntu or its other flavours.
[11:08] <ducasse> DevAntoine: you need to set the full path in $AGECOM_COMMAND
[11:08] <sruli> marshall__: use the chown command but put the full path to the final marshall directory
[11:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, you could try the GNOME 3 default interface but would work abot as well as uity
[11:08] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD: ok
[11:09] <DevAntoine> ducasse: oh
[11:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, you mentioned beore that that the lap top was quite old, as a resut,  Lubuntu, Xubuntu,  or  Ubuntu Mate
[11:09] <ducasse> DevAntoine: exactly.
[11:09] <marshall__> sruli, what do you mean the "final" marshall directory?
[11:09] <DevAntoine> ducasse: double quotes won't help right?
[11:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, would be the best way to go really, and yes you can have all three of thos insalled into the  same intall  even
[11:09] <marshall__> ah, from my current home directory?
[11:09] <ducasse> DevAntoine: full path, no variables.
[11:09] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD: ok. I liked Unity also. It was different. But, sadly can't use it on my old laptop.
[11:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, just remember to only download  from the offical ubuntu repos this time thugh
[11:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> LinuxNovice, not websites, lik you did or mate beore
[11:10] <sruli> marshall__: what is the full path to the direcotry where you have .Private?
[11:10] <ducasse> DevAntoine: you can see 'man 5 crontab' for details on this.
[11:10] <LinuxNovice> SebthreeBQM10HD: Yes. I remember that. I had to reinstall the entire OS, because of that.
[11:12] <sruli> DevAntoine: i'm far from an expert but maybe try http://pastebin.com/tvqXbY1M
[11:12] <marshall__> sruli, /media/marshall/eaafd382-a690-42c5-a7f8-c75e90ea4974
[11:13] <marshall__> so that's the path to use?
[11:13] <sruli> marshall__: take ownership of that directory, "sudo chown -R marshall:marshall /media/marshall/eaafd382-a690-42c5-a7f8-c75e90ea4974/home/marshall/"
[11:13] <marshall__> done
[11:14] <sruli> marshall__: sudo apt-get install ecryptfs-utils when done run sudo ecryptfs-recover-private
[11:14] <sruli> marshall__: suorry skip install part run sudo ecryptfs-recover-private
[11:15] <marshall__> sruli, I got the same result. Denied
[11:15] <sruli> marshall__: try "sudo chown -R marshall:marshall /media/marshall/eaafd382-a690-42c5-a7f8-c75e90ea4974/home/marshall/*"
[11:15] <marshall__> with an asterisk at the end?
[11:15] <sruli> yes
[11:17] <marshall__> sruli, ecryptfs again?
[11:17] <sruli> yes
[11:17] <marshall__> sruli, it denied me again
[11:17] <Sarrisuela> Hello I have a problem with the touch screen of my laptop, there someone who can help me?
[11:18] <sruli> marshall__: "cd  media/marshall/eaafd382-a690-42c5-a7f8-c75e90ea4974/home/marshall/" and try again
[11:20] <marshall__> sruli, starting with chown?
[11:20] <sruli> no, juse cd ...
[11:21] <marshall__> I already changed the directory, but you said try again
[11:21] <sruli> marshall__: are you currently in that directory?
[11:21] <marshall__> I'm in eaafd382-a690-42c5-a7f8-c75e90ea4974/home/marshall/
[11:22] <marshall__> I mean I'm in eaafd382-a690-42c5-a7f8-c75e90ea4974/home/marshall/
[11:23] <sruli> marshall__: post output of "ls -lah /media/marshall/eaafd382-a690-42c5-a7f8-c75e90ea4974/home/marshall/"
[11:23] <marshall__> here?
[11:24] <sruli> paste.ubuntu.com
[11:24] <marshall__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23521745/
[11:25] <sruli> marshall__: not that direcotry! use the full command i gave u
[11:26] <sruli> marshall__: or in the current directory do  "cd home/marshall" then "ls -lah"
[11:26] <marshall__> this one? cd  media/marshall/eaafd382-a690-42c5-a7f8-c75e90ea4974/home/marshall/
[11:26] <sruli> yes
[11:27] <sruli> marshall__: post output of "ls -lah"
[11:28] <marshall__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23521758/
[11:28] <popy> رﻻؤﻻرؤرﻻؤرﻻ
[11:28] <popy> hiiiiiiiii
[11:28] <sruli> marshall__: now try sudo ecryptfs-recover-private
[11:29] <popy> no
[11:29] <marshall__> It denied me
[11:32] <ghostal> i want to update an sshd_config to change the port, but i want it done with a bash script. what's the best approach to updating the config programmatically like that?
[11:32] <sruli> marshall__: try "sudo chown -R marshall:marshall /media/marshall/eaafd382-a690-42c5-a7f8-c75e90ea4974/home/*" and try  sudo ecryptfs-recover-private
[11:33] <uruk> hello i want pass dhcp to static , when i change network/interfaces and then ifdown -> ifup change ip but don't work the connection it's posible a problem with dns?
[11:34] <marshall__> both commands from the current directory?
[11:34] <sruli> yes
[11:35] <marshall__> sruli, btw, would the version of my kernel have anything to do with any of this? I upgraded it today.
[11:35] <sruli> dont believe so
[11:36] <marshall__> ok, I was just denied again.
[11:36] <sruli> marshall__: try "cd .." that should take u up 1 dir and try sudo ecryptfs-recover-private
[11:37] <marshall__> cd
[11:37] <marshall__> oops, lol
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:37] <cfhowlett> marshall__, you aint' the first ... nor the last  :)
[11:38] <sruli> marshall, might be that it need to reboot after installing ecryptfs, try a reboot, navigate to /media/marshall/eaafd382-a690-42c5-a7f8-c75e90ea4974/home/ and try  sudo ecryptfs-recover-private
[11:39] <sruli> cfhowlett: when running ecryptfs-recover-private marshall gets error "find: ‘/run/user/1003/gvfs’: Permission denied" do you know what that might be?
[11:39] <cfhowlett> sorry, sruli no idea
[11:39] <marshall__> got it again
[11:39] <sruli> marshall__: try a reboot
[11:40] <marshall__> ok, will I need to reopen hexchat after?
[11:41] <sruli> marshall__: if u need help to recover the files, i guess yes
[11:41] <marshall__> lol, ok. I will have to return later, then. Thanks for the help, though
[11:41] <sruli> marshall__: 1 last thing we can try
[11:41] <marshall__> ok
[11:42] <wale> i added a seconary IP Address to a UBUNTU AWS instance and it is still unreachable, can anybody help...?
[11:42] <sruli> "sudo ecryptfs-recover-private/media/marshall/eaafd382-a690-42c5-a7f8-c75e90ea4974/home/"
[11:43] <marshall__> from the home directory?
[11:43] <sruli> marshall__: sorry typo, insert space after "private"
[11:43] <wale> is sruli referring to me...?
[11:43] <adaboo> try
[11:43] <sruli> marshall__: from anywhere, when putting the full path you can execute from anywhere
[11:44] <sruli> wale: sorry no, wouldnt know about that, maybe try #ubuntu-server
[11:44] <marshall__> with or without an asterisk after home?
[11:45] <sruli> no asterisk
[11:45] <CountryfiedLinux> VLC snap package isn't showing up in the list of installed apps. Any suggestions?
[11:45] <marshall__> Enter your MOUNT passphrase:
[11:46] <marshall__> INFO: Success!  Private data mounted at [/tmp/ecryptfs.vOViixOy].
[11:46] <sruli> there u go
[11:46] <sruli> put in ur password for that account
[11:46] <marshall__> where?
[11:48] <sruli> marshall__: ok, u did that, now do "sudo chown -R marshall:marshall /tmp/ecryptfs.vOViixOy/" then navigate to /tmp/ecryptfs.vOViixOy/ and copy all ur files out of there
[11:49] <adrian_1908> hello guys. I will be setting up my first server (VPS) and will use Ubuntu Server as the distro. Is there some resource you can recommend for a beginner, that covers the basics (e.g. setting up the LAMP stack, sensible firewall rules, how to set up SSH for remote administration)? I need something that caters to newcomers who have never touched these things.
[11:49] <marshall__> what the heck is it doing?
[11:49] <marshall__> scrolling like crazy!
[11:49] <cfhowlett> !server | adrian_1908
[11:49] <cfhowlett> !lamp | adrian_1908
[11:50] <adrian_1908> cfhowlett: i'll try the server channel, thanks.
[11:50] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[11:50] <ducasse> adrian_1908: they will likely give you the same links :)
[11:51] <marshall__> sruli, so it's changing ownership of those files so they belong to my user profile on the main partition now?
[11:51] <sruli> marshall__: it mounted the encrypted directory to /tmp/ecryptfs.vOViixOy/ thats where you'll find ur files, but as soon as u reboot ur dismount it wont be there anymore so copy all the files u need out of there .. else u'll need to go though this each time u want to access them
[11:52] <adrian_1908> hehe, maybe. I already looked at the "serverguide", but it seems rather minimal. I'm sure there are plenty pitfalls for a newcomer that these short articles don't cover.
[11:52] <marshall__> thanks for the heads up, lol! I'll definitely do that :)
[11:52] <sruli> marshall__: becuse the command needed sudo to execute the result it that the files are now owned by root so u need to change onwership before u can copy
[11:52] <BluesKaj> !u | sruli
[11:52] <sruli> marshall__: u see the files ok?
[11:53] <marshall__> I don't see them in the gui
[11:54] <sruli> marshall__: you went to that dir in gui?
[11:55] <marshall__> I looked at it, but there's nothing there
[11:55] <marshall__> let me try the term
[11:56] <marshall__> ok, I see them in the terminal.
[11:56] <marshall__> how can I copy them?
[11:56] <dimm> hello, All! when i try to install ubuntu 16.0.4 to usb flash drive then i have error that file system is read only. how i can solve it? =/
[11:59] <marshall__> sruli, how can I copy all of these files to a directory I can easily access using the GUI?
[12:00] <sruli> marshall__: try "cp -R -v /tmp/ecryptfs.vOViixOy/* /path/to/destination/"
[12:01] <marshall__> do I include the asterisk?
[12:01] <sruli> yes, the asterisk says select all inside there
[12:02] <marshall__> ok, and I can copy them to any other directory I can access?
[12:02] <marshall__> even /home?
[12:02] <sruli> yes, /path/to/destiantion/ is what u need to change to the actuall directory you want to copy it to
[12:03] <kdfjkasd> hello guys
[12:03] <kdfjkasd> i want to build a system specialy for hacking
[12:03] <kdfjkasd> someone help me?
[12:04] <marshall__> sruli, does this look fine? marshall@marshall-MS-7641:/tmp/ecryptfs.vOViixOy/.ecryptfs/marshall/.Private$ cp -R -v /tmp/ecryptfs.vOViixOy/*/home
[12:04] <cfhowlett> kdfjkasd, nope
[12:04] <cfhowlett> kdfjkasd, google "pen testing" for guidance.
[12:06] <dodge29> anyone wanna chat with a bi male 29 pm me
[12:06] <marshall__> sruli?
[12:06] <cfhowlett> dodge29, wronge channel.  be gone.
[12:07] <sruli> marshall__: space after asterisk, i would suggest to create a directory for it first do "mkdir /home/marshall/myoldfiles" then "cp -R -v /tmp/ecryptfs.vOViixOy/* /home/myoldfiles/"
[12:07] <ghostal> can i add a user to the system without it being possible to authenticate as that user using a password?
[12:08] <cfhowlett> ghostal, sounds like you are attempting "kiosk mode"
[12:09] <ghostal> cfhowlett: i don't think so. i want to create a user and user home dir to run a server in, but i don't want people to be able to log in as that user
[12:09] <ghostal> i only want to allow root to do "su the_user"
[12:09] <cfhowlett> ghostal, the #ubuntu-server channel would know more
[12:09] <ghostal> ah, okay, thanks
[12:11] <sruli> ghostal: on visudo remove user from list
[12:12] <sruli> ghostal: or remove user from sudo group, new users are not added by default
[12:12] <marshall__> I did that, sruli , but I don't see the files in the folder when I use the gui
[12:12] <sruli> marshall__: what do u see after running the cp command?
[12:14] <marshall__> sruli, looks like it tried copying every file, but each one has "cp: cannot open" nect to it
[12:14] <marshall__> next*
[12:14] <marshall__> then it says "for reading: Input/output error"
[12:15] <ducasse> ghostal: you can lock the account
[12:15] <ducasse> ghostal: see 'man usermod'
[12:15] <sruli> marshall__: did u  execute the "sudo chown -R marshall:marshall /tmp/ecryptfs.vOViixOy/" ?
[12:15] <DevAntoine> sruli: thanks, I'll try that!
[12:15] <ghostal> ducasse: thanks
[12:16] <marshall__> yes
[12:16] <sruli> marshall__: post output of "ls -lah /tmp/ecryptfs.vOViixOy/"
[12:17] <marshall__> total 32K
[12:17] <marshall__> drwxr-xr-x  8 marshall marshall 4.0K May 17  2016 .
[12:17] <marshall__> drwxrwxrwt 18 root     root     4.0K Nov 23 06:17 ..
[12:17] <marshall__> drwxr-xr-x  3 marshall marshall 4.0K May 16  2016 .ecryptfs
[12:17] <marshall__> drwxr-xr-x 27 marshall marshall 4.0K Nov 21 03:17 katie
[12:17] <marshall__> drwxrwxr-x  3 marshall marshall 4.0K May 16  2016 marshall
[12:17] <sruli> marshall__: please paste outputs to paste.ubuntu.com
[12:19] <marshall__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23521899/
[12:19] <marshall__> when I check the marshall directory, the files are visible in the terminal, but I can't see them in the gui
[12:21] <sruli> marshall__: something is weird , paste output of "ls -lah /tmp/ecryptfs.vOViixOy/.ecryptfs/" and "ls -lah /tmp/ecryptfs.vOViixOy/marshall/"
[12:22] <marshall__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23521910/
[12:22] <marshall__> oops
[12:23] <marshall__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23521912/
[12:24] <WolfkenFang> quit
[12:25] <sruli> marshall__: output of "ls -lah /tmp/ecryptfs.vOViixOy/marshall/" ?
[12:25] <marshall__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23521916/
[12:26] <sruli> marshall__: paste it including the line of the command
[12:27] <marshall__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23521919/
[12:29] <wale> i added a seconary IP Address to a UBUNTU AWS instance and it is still unreachable, can anybody help...?
[12:31] <sruli> marshall__: something is wrong here.. lets start again doing somethings differently, firstly lets remove the other user accounts from that dir, start by pasting output of "ls -lah /media/marshall/eaafd382-a690-42c5-a7f8-c75e90ea4974/home/"
[12:32] <marshall__> sruli, I'm grateful fro the help. I'm going to have to call it a night. When will you be on again?
[12:32] <marshall__> for*
[12:34] <sruli> marshall__: not sure, i am thinking the other user accounts in that partition are cuasing a conflict, try moving them elsewhere leaving only the marshall and .ecryptfs there and try the recover again
[12:35] <dimm> ok, after installing via Install instead Try and then Install everything ok
[12:36] <marshall__> I will, but I need to sleep. It's a big day. I'll leave the computer locked so I can pick up where we're leaving off. Will you be on again later today?
[12:37] <sruli> marshall__: might be, if not maybe others can help
[12:37] <marshall__> Ok, then have a great day, and thanks again!
[12:43] <Kartagis> how can I fix the error
[12:43] <Kartagis> argh
[12:45] <Kartagis> how can I fix the error attempt to read or write outside of disk hd0?
[12:46] <cfhowlett> Kartagis, that is a sign of a failing disk.  the "fix" is to 1.  backup your data  and 2. replace the HDD
[12:47] <Kartagis> cfhowlett: that is under virtualbox
[12:49] <NixkorN> cfhowlett: such insight
[12:49] <cfhowlett> NixkorN, feel free to contribute
[12:49] <NixkorN> to your idiocity?
[12:49] <multifractal> My ubuntu 16.04 has problems with wifi at home. At work it's perfectly fine. At home on win7 partition and other computers it's fine. Only home + ubuntu causes problems with sporadic dropouts. I think maybe neighbour's router uses same channel?
[12:50] <cfhowlett> NixkorN, review the channel guidelines and leave off the insults.  if you can help, help.  if not ...
[12:50] <ducasse> !guidelines | NixkorN
[12:50] <cfhowlett> !guidelines | NixkorN
[12:50] <NixkorN> insults?
[12:51] <multifractal> (I think the word NixkorN was looking for is 'idiocy')
[12:51] <Kartagis> cfhowlett: can I fix it under grub> prompt?
[12:51] <NixkorN> now days telling whats what = insukts?
[12:51] <cfhowlett> save your "wit" for others.  As you have been added to my /ignore, you are invisible to me.  now you can help the OP unimpeded.
[12:52] <cfhowlett> Kartagis, still trying to figure out how you got an i/o error on a vbox.
[12:52] <multifractal> cfhowlett: IIRC you use a dell m3800 no? How's wifi for you? Are you on 16.04 nowadays?
[12:52] <cfhowlett> multifractal, yes indeed.  no wifi issues at all on 16.04
[12:52] <NixkorN> is ubuntu using jstreamer?
[12:55] <noobie_> If I have custom compiled kernel and I want to upgrade it with same parametres. Do I have to recompile a newer verson manually or is there some other way?
[12:56] <ikevin> noobie_, you need to compile a new version
[12:56] <ikevin> so you can use the same .config file
[12:56] <noobie_> ikevin: ok, thank you
[13:08] <Kartagis> cfhowlett: I was able to boot the vm with a live iso, then do a fsck and I got clean results
[13:09] <cfhowlett> Kartagis, this one is too deep for me.  #vbox might know better
[13:10] <sz332> hello, any idea why i get continously hash mismatch errors during apt-get?
[13:12] <jackhumm> any way i can enable three fingers swipe workspace gesture on my lenovo ideapad?
[13:20] <ilhami> :)
[13:20] <ducasse> jackhumm: i doubt it, swipes etc do not register as button events, so they can't be mapped to wm operations afaik
[13:20] <jackhumm> google says using some xswipe touchegg and things
[13:20] <jackhumm> anyone confirm , or tried it?
[13:21] <ducasse> jackhumm: possible, they might be able to send commands with wmctrl or similar.
[13:21] <jackhumm> okay,
[13:22] <Kingsy> so guys, if I wanted a clean (no DE) ubuntu installation on a laptop without an ethernet port.. my only option is ubuntu server?
[13:22] <jackhumm> ducasse: also , does ubuntu lacks a good git gui client ? why github has client for windows and mac but not ubuntu
[13:23] <zteam> jackhumm, you should propably tell, the exact model for your laptop and which version of ubuntu you do use
[13:23] <Kingsy> jackhumm: gitkraken might be what you are looking for?
[13:23] <jackhumm> ubuntu 16.04 , Lenovo Ideapad 510
[13:23] <ducasse> Kingsy: you can also use the lubuntu alternate image
[13:24] <jackhumm> Kingsy: anything for commercial use ?
[13:24] <Kingsy> ducasse: oh? I don't know much about the dists.. wouldnt it be "lubuntu" in that case?
[13:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Kingsy, or install with unity, gnome, kde, etc, remove that, or most of it,  guess that would work.  maybe put something on such as openbox even which hardly is much of an interface, from what I have seen
[13:24] <jackhumm> why github have client for linux , what are they waiting for, they dont like linux at all ? lol
[13:24] <Kingsy> SebthreeBQM10HD: that is exatly what I am trying to do
[13:24] <Kingsy> Go for openbox
[13:25] <ducasse> Kingsy: it doesn't require you to install the lubuntu packages, only the normal lubuntu image does that
[13:25] <Kingsy> but it seems like a shame to start with something like gnome when I dont want it
[13:25] <Kingsy> oh ok!
[13:25] <cfhowlett> !mini | Kingsy,
[13:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Kingsy, ok but openbox is still a window manager, but yes not a full de,  but yes some kind of interface, not just the terminal like   I belive Ubuntu server
[13:25] <Kingsy> cfhowlett: it requires an ethernet port... which I do not have
[13:26] <Kingsy> SebthreeBQM10HD: yes, so I was going to just install ubuntu minimal then install openbox myself.. along with a login manager.
[13:26] <sruli> Kingsy: you can install it as minimal without any additional packages, you dont need ethernet port for that
[13:26] <Kingsy> sruli: really??
[13:27] <Kingsy> I thought it required an active connection to work at all?
[13:27] <sruli> Kingsy: yes, you dont need ethernet to install or use any ubuntu dist
[13:27] <Kingsy> because that would be ideal
[13:27] <NixkorN> seen much unicorns latelly?
[13:27] <Kingsy> sruli: even https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD <--
[13:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Kingsy, yes openbox you would have to put on by default,  as for a dm, woul have one alrady by default depending on what you instaled from, with a noral ISO would have one such as light dm
[13:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Kingsy, you would have to put openbox on yourself, that was meant to say
[13:28] <sruli> Kingsy: yes, you will only have a very minimal install but does not require connection to install or run
[13:28] <Kingsy> SebthreeBQM10HD: well if I can use https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD <-- then it wouldntb have ANYTHING.. which would be ideal really.
[13:29] <Kingsy> well that'll be awesome!
[13:35] <Kingsy> sruli: doesnt work
[13:35] <ioria> Kingsy, mini is a net-install (download pkgs fron internet)  , so it requires an active (cabled) connection, may i suggest you server or a usb-eth adapter ?
[13:35] <Kingsy> sruli: I am on the installer now... it does not let you proceed without an active internet connection
[13:36] <sruli> Kingsy: i have installed many times, will try now on a vm .. few min
[13:36] <Kingsy> ioria: I have a USB ethernet adapter but unfortunately it does not seem to pick that up
[13:39] <koichirose> hello! I have a headless server connected to some speakers. music is stored locally. I'd like to control it remotely but play sound through its speakers (no streaming). what should I look at?
[13:40] <brendan_> Hey
[13:40] <brendan_> Just installed Ubunto for the first time
[13:40] <FinalX> congrats :)
[13:41] <Kingsy> sruli: you cant have installed minimal without ethernet
[13:41] <BluesKaj> koichirose, maybe a wireless KB
[13:41] <brendan_> Any tips or recommendations?
[13:41] <cfhowlett> !fcm | brendan_ read
[13:41] <cfhowlett> !manual | brendan_
[13:41] <sruli> Kingsy: you are correct, sorry my mistake
[13:42] <brendan_> Thanks :)
[13:42] <Kingsy> hrm, I wonder what is the difference between ubuntu server and ubuntu minimal?
[13:42] <sruli> Kingsy: minimal has no packages in the iso
[13:42] <FinalX> Kingsy: http://askubuntu.com/questions/44185/is-using-ubuntu-minimal-any-different-from-server :P first hit on google
[13:43] <ioria> Kingsy, the adapter should work ( i guess)  have you tried a manual network configutation ? (restart the router may help)
[13:44] <koichirose> BluesKaj: :D I was thinking about some android app. is mpd an option?
[13:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD>  /join #techrights
[13:46] <BluesKaj> koichirose, dunno, if you're thinking of using your phone then I'm not much help .. I have a smart phone , but it's mostly just for calls and photos
[13:47] <koichirose> BluesKaj: in general though, some web interface would be fine. I'm not sure which tool is needed to make it output to local speakers instead of streaming
[13:49] <BluesKaj> koichirose, i just use an outboard drive with media, but no OS on it connected to my HTPC via sata
[13:49] <ssg__> htghth
[13:49] <ssg__> 的不会
[13:50] <BluesKaj> !cn | ssg__
[13:50] <cfhowlett> !cn | ssg__
[13:53] <Kingsy> oh so its the same.
[13:54] <Kingsy> does anyone know if the ubuntu server installer allows you to encrypt the partition?
[13:55] <ikonia> I believe it doe
[13:55] <ikonia> does
[13:55] <sruli> Kingsy: you have to create the encryption manually at the start
[13:55] <ioria> Kingsy, mini does, so ....
[13:56] <Kingsy> oh mini does?
[13:57] <ioria> Kingsy, yep... try again with the adapter and do a manual nt configuration
[13:58] <Kingsy> ok
[13:58] <ioria> Kingsy, mini looks for your nt config, if it fails, gives you the option  to set  a static interface
[13:59] <merlin__> hello
[13:59] <edve> Hi there merlin__
[13:59] <brendan_> Hey
[14:00] <merlin__> im linux nooby i wannt to install the 3d cude
[14:00] <edve> try taking a look over the Compiz plugins
[14:01] <edve> https://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/compizconfig-settings-manager
[14:01] <whothehellami> Hi, anyone knows how to get an output of e.g. glxinfo if I ssh to a server?
[14:02] <edve> https://www.google.ca/search?q=glxinfo+loging+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=SKE1WLWOA8WC8QfOxr-ACw#q=glxinfo+logs
[14:02] <edve> DEBUG=VERBOSE
[14:03] <ducasse> koichirose: you can control mpd with an android app, yes
[14:03] <merlin__> what is the best prgramming langue for Linux
[14:03] <Mobiesque> Hi, I have a new computer and a 4k monitor, whenever I try live install, it loads perfectly in 4k but the mouse cursor is stuck in the top left corner. The mouse is recognized and I can move it and guess where it is, but the cursor itself won't move.
[14:04] <edve> merlin__: there isnt but learning bash is quite good for purpose of the CLI interpretation and other command
[14:04] <koichirose> ducasse: and output sound through the local speakers, too?
[14:04] <ducasse> koichirose: yes
[14:04] <edve> you will learn pretty much how your Computer workd
[14:04] <koichirose> ducasse: thank you, will try :)
[14:04] <ducasse> koichirose: mopidy is a nice implementation of an mpd server
[14:05] <koichirose> wow, thanks
[14:05] <ducasse> koichirose: it has web interface, spotify plugins etc
[14:06] <koichirose> installing it right now :)
[14:11] <ubuntu392> hello anyone there who can help me?
[14:14] <ajksh> hello
[14:14] <ajksh> 03b10bc77acf3c81c2477816a4144469
[14:14] <ajksh> crack this MD5 hash if you can
[14:15] <zteam> ubuntu392, that depends on what you need help with
[14:15] <mcphail> ajksh: please read the /topic for the channel, and keep this to Ubuntu support
[14:18] <DevAntoine> at the end of my cron I've got that: > /home/antoine/mp_log 2>&1 If I double the ">" will it be enough to append logs and not erase them each time?
[14:18] <Auahituroa> hi
[14:19] <mason> Good morning, all. I'm curious about something. This morning a bug I'd opened was closed with "Confirmed Fix Released" and "Confirmed Fix Committed" but there's no reference to a patch or commit. Is this typical?
[14:19] <mason> Oh, never mind. I misread. Not closed yet. But there's no pointer to the fix, which makes me curious.
[14:19] <Pici> mason: is it set as a duplciate?
[14:20] <carldanle> okay totally stuck here and super frustrated... i need some networking help
[14:20] <carldanle> my network diagram: https://drive.google.com/drive/recent
[14:20] <mason> Pici: No, it's been open for a while, but I thought it was dead at this point.
[14:20] <carldanle> woops, i meant https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0273NT_b_TWXzR0S1ZIYTZlRUU/view?usp=sharing
[14:21] <carldanle> I can ping out and do anything i need to EXCEPT ssh into other machines on the network
[14:22] <carldanle> I can ssh into 192.168.1.1 via openvpn (on port 1194)\
[14:22] <carldanle> but i can't ssh into 192.168.1.2
[14:22] <carldanle> ufw is disabled
[14:22] <mason> I've requested more information in the ticket itself, anyway. i/
[14:22] <mason> By which I mean o/
[14:23] <carldanle> so i'm stuck because i've only run these commands:
[14:23] <carldanle> sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
[14:23] <carldanle> sudo iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
[14:24] <carldanle> sudo iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT
[14:24] <carldanle> that's it
[14:24] <carldanle> oh, and all policies are set to accept
[14:28] <k_sze> If I want to setup apticron and unattended-upgrades, what do I need to setup so that the system can e-mail me?
[14:30] <jon5000> hello I am hoping someone can help:  Installed 16.04 on a yoga 13 laptop.  Touchscreen is not being recognized.  Previous installs on this computer recognized it and it worked beautifully.  When i typed xinput, the touchscreen was listed as ELAN.  Now with this installation it does not show up in the list at all
[14:32] <swagat87> Hi
[14:33] <swagat87> MATE 16.04.9.1
[14:34] <swagat87> facing error in writing usb
[14:34] <swagat87> any1
[14:36] <swagat87> Hello
[14:38] <DrunkenDwarf> hi all. Im trying to make an image of an SD card with dd "sudo dd if=/dev/sdb of=/path/to/file bs=1M conv=noerror".. It's working but including the ENTIRE disk, im sure that command used to image it minus unused space, I have to image the disk rather than a partition because there are more than one partitions, but theres gigs of unallocated space it's imaging as well. Can I make it image just the partitioned space on the drive and ignore
[14:38] <DrunkenDwarf> unallocated space?
[14:38] <yavuzhan> hey
[14:39] <yavuzhan> anyone online?
[14:40] <BluesKaj> yavuzhan, just ask your question
[14:40] <yavuzhan> using backbox?
[14:41] <mcphail> DrunkenDwarf: dd copies everything, but you can pipe its output through gzip (or similar) to compress the gaps
[14:41] <BluesKaj> yavuzhan,  this is ubuntu support not backbox
[14:45] <serses> i have this weird problem where my wireless keeps dropping on Ubuntu, the same isn't happening on windows
[14:45] <serses> i have Qualcomm Atheros Device 0042 (rev 30) as device
[14:45] <stoned> Hello, I have very slow wifi free internet and I need to get a copy of ubutnu os, where can I get a free copy of an ubuntu os cd?
[14:45] <stoned> Is that possible?
[14:46] <elias_a> stoned: No. Canonical has stopped shipping free cd-disks.
[14:47] <NixkorN> free cds usually come with bundled malware
[14:51] <mcphail> stoned: not free, but you can buy a Canonical USB stick for a  reasonable price - https://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1206
[14:51] <DrunkenDwarf> mcphail, could have sworn i used it before to copy only the used portions of a drive. bugger. is there a way to image the used portion of a drive. the problem is im copying the image of an sd card to another one that's not big enough. (rated to be the same size, but in practice a different sector count.)
[14:52] <mcphail> DrunkenDwarf: I'm really not sure dd can do that. But, by piping it through gzip, you compress it "on the fly"
[14:53] <stoned> I have 3 USB sticks already
[14:53] <stoned> My own, I mean.
[14:53] <stoned> I'll try to figure out a way to download it
[14:53] <DrunkenDwarf> mcphail, i get that, but that doesn't help writing the image to another disk uncompressed which isn't quite big enough
[14:53] <stoned> I'll have to download in small chunks.
[14:54] <sruli> stoned: will it be a efi install?
[14:54] <mcphail> DrunkenDwarf: yes, but you can't magically make a filesystem smaller. What you are wanting to do is copy files, not produce a disk image
[14:54] <stoned> No, BIOS
[14:55] <stoned> The best option for me would be something small like how Debian has Netinstall CD (minimal base system)
[14:55] <stoned> Then I can grab Xorg, and Xmonad and whatever tiny things I need.
[14:55] <mcphail> stoned: ubuntu has a minimal image
[14:55] <stoned> How many Mbs?
[14:55] <stoned> 200-300?
[14:55] <DrunkenDwarf> mcphail, i dont understand why you cant magically make a filesystem smaller when half of it is unallocated, unpartitioned, unused space...... the reason I want an image is cause it's a bootable partition structure, not just a collection of files
[14:56] <sruli> stoned: my 14.04 minimal is 38mb, but u need a internet connection to install.. u can choose to install without adding any packages
[14:56] <stoned> What can I use as a download manager to make sure if my connection drops, I can resume the download?
[14:56] <stoned> Oh, the netboot image?
[14:56] <Adriannom> Hi. I have two identical laptops with Ubuntu 16.04 recently installed on each. XFCE has been installed and Gnome removed, using the same apt commands. On one machine, NetworkManager cannot connect to wifi APs. When I click on an AP, the connecting icon spins and then after about 20 seconds it says "Disconnected - you are now offline". There was no password prompt even though the AP is secured. Windows 10 on the same lapt
[14:56] <Adriannom> op connects normally. The other laptop connects normally in Ubuntu. Please help?
[14:57] <mcphail> stoned: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[14:57] <stoned> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
[14:57] <sruli> stoned: use wget -c
[14:57] <stoned> Hmm.
[14:58] <stoned> Actually, problem is this: I connect to Xfinity Open Wifi (free) and I have no Internet connection, and this is stored in myPC already, but if I try to install w/ a new OS installer CD, I'll have to somehow authenticate to Comcast Xfinity before I have internet.
[14:58] <stoned> So I'm kinda screwed there
[14:59] <stoned> so I need a installer cd w/ wifi drivers, where I can authenticate to comscast account so I can have internet.
[14:59] <stoned> otherwise I need an offline cd (whicn in case I'd require a full installation w/ browser and all, for authentication)
[15:02] <BluesKaj> stoned, do you have a cdrom or usb to which you can burn or dd the iso if you download it from the ubuntu site?
[15:02] <stoned> Can't seem to DL. The connection is too bad
[15:03] <stoned> Most of the time my OS gets hanged at trying to apt-get something
[15:04] <stoned> Then I have to cancel it, start again, maybe then the packets go through and it contacts the server, then hangs somewhere in the middle again.
[15:04] <stoned> I have probably only enough bandwidth to browse web and use irc, youtube is slow too
[15:04] <wallen> I dobut that'd work but you could try to change the source of your updates'
[15:04] <wallen> *?
[15:04] <BluesKaj> stoned, the ubuntu/ubiquity installer will ask for pwd authentication to connect to wifi if needed during the install procedure
[15:04] <stoned> It's already using the closest mirror to my physical location
[15:05] <stoned> BluesKaj: not wifi password.
[15:05] <BluesKaj> if needed stoned
[15:05] <stoned> BluesKaj: it's open wifi, not protected, but you have to authenticate on a website
[15:05] <stoned> It's not wifi authentication, it's ISP authentication POST open wifi connection
[15:06] <stoned> So when you connect to open wifi xfinity, then you open a browser and it takes you to their site, where you auth, and then you are granted internet
[15:06] <stoned> I think they record your mac # and then that's how you get internet
[15:06] <BluesKaj> that's convoluted
[15:06] <stoned> so maybe I don' tneed to auth? I dunno.
[15:06] <stoned> yeah, it's a pita.
[15:12] <jemendja> hi
[15:18] <ducasse> BluesKaj: could he use installer in "try" mode to auth with a browser before running installer?
[15:23] <saviour123> Good atternoon Pals
[15:23] <hhee> guys, how can i install latest php in ubuntu server? by default there is 7.0.8
[15:24] <FinalX> hhee: I'd stick with what it offers; the version Ubuntu comes with is supported and maintained with securoity-patches and bugfixes. I wouldn't recommend trying to install higher versions manually that are out of Ubuntu's control.
[15:24] <saviour123> I am running an app localhost, how can i access it from another client on the same network.
[15:26] <hhee> FinalX, got it. something like backports? one more question, how can i view what new in packages use apt? like changelog or smth else?
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> !latest | hhee
[15:28] <FinalX> hhee: probably easiest way is to look for the package on http://packages.ubuntu.com/ and go to Ubuntu Changelog at the package's page
[15:29] <FinalX> hhee: also, I wouldn't worry about minor 7.0.x version upgrades. And there's not really any distro offering 7.1 yet, to my knowledge.
[15:30] <FinalX> oh, I thought 7.1 was out already, but it isn't. release candidate only. well then... really nothing to be worrying about them :)
[15:30] <FinalX> s/them/then/
[15:34] <BluesKaj> stoned, yes
[15:37] <jon5000> hello I am hoping someone can help:  Installed 16.04 on a yoga 13 laptop.  Touchscreen is not being recognized.  Previous installs on this computer recognized it and it worked beautifully.  When i typed xinput, the touchscreen was listed as ELAN.  Now with this installation it does not show up in the list at all
[15:39] <kingplusplus> please how do i login my ubuntu using a domain i am tired of remember long ips. I have the domain already what do i need to set to do user@server.domain.com
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> jon5000: did you install ubuntu with cable plugged + updates enabled during setup?
[15:41] <angrycoast> is there an easy way to view where a command like teamspeak is located
[15:41] <akik> kingplusplus: if you don't control your dns, you can add the ip/hostname combo to your client machine's /etc/hosts
[15:41] <kingplusplus> akik is that all?
[15:42] <Random832> angrycoast, "type teamspeak"
[15:42] <akik> kingplusplus: yes, after that you can use the hostname in the ssh client
[15:45] <Random832> angrycoast, please keep your questions in the channel
[15:46] <Random832> angrycoast, if what you want is to "erase" teamspeak, then what you need to do is dpkg -S [filename], so in this case dpkg -S /etc/init.d/teamspeak, and uninstall the package with apt remove
[15:48] <Random832> angrycoast, what do you mean "start over" - how did you set it up in the first place?
[15:50] <angrycoast> Random832, I just need to generate another privledge key to gain admin access and thought the easiest way would be to delete and reinstall
[15:50] <Random832> another what?
[15:50] <Random832> how did you install it in the first place? you are not providing enough information to understand what your situation is
[15:51] <angrycoast> Unfortunately I didn't document it but I did create another user to start the server
[15:52] <Random832> ...do you *remember* what you did?
[15:54] <angrycoast> Random832, https://terminal28.com/how-to-install-and-configure-teamspeak3-server-linux-debian-ubuntu/
[15:54] <angrycoast> it was similar to that
[15:55] <angrycoast> cd..
[15:56] <Random832> the other question is what's not working that you think will be fixed by removing and reinstalling it - what's all this "generate another privilege key" stuff mean etc
[15:57] <skinux> I get update dialog every morning, wanting to install updates. And everytime I get another dialog telling me it'll require installing non-authenticated updates. What do I do to get it to actually install the updates and get rid of the non-authenticated updates problem?
[15:57] <FinalX> in the application, upon installation, a token is generated that will provide admin access to a user that logs in to the server and supplies that token. they call that a privilege key.
[15:59] <FinalX> angrycoast: there's probably a way to generate a new priv key but you'd have to figure out where it's installed first. maybe it's in a homedir of a special created user?
[15:59] <hhee> FinalX, got it, thx a lot for answer!
[15:59] <FinalX> np :)
[16:04] <roomerre> hello
[16:05] <roomerre> i have terminus font in urxvt ? So what should i write in the config file to get size 25?
[16:05] <rtl8187pb> hi  world my rtl8187 usb can't see all wifi  with a good antenna but another wireless interface with a less good antenna can see them .
[16:06] <rtl8187pb> i can't find parameter to pass to rtl8187 modules ..
[16:06] <rtl8187pb> thanks for any help
[16:07] <angrycoast> rtl8187pb, do you know what protocol the wireless is using?
[16:07] <WolfkenFang> waddup peeps
[16:08] <rtl8187pb> angrycoast: no encryption open access an hotspot
[16:09] <roomerre> hello
[16:09] <roomerre> i have terminus font in urxvt ? So what should i write in the config file to get size 25?
[16:12] <rtl8187pb> iwlist  interface_rtl8187 scanning see 2 wirelesslan      anyother interface can see much mush  more
[16:12] <ilhami> :)
[16:13] <jon5000> lotuspsychje, which cable plugged? for the screen?  this is a laptop... it is connected.  as to the updates enabled: yes
[16:13] <jon5000> lotuspsychje, thanks for taking it up
[16:13] <angrycoast> I reinstalled teamspeak 3 server and now I can't open the logs to view priveledge key that was generated, it says cd: command not found when trying to enter the logs directory
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> jon5000: are you up to date to latest .1?
[16:17] <Heisenbug> someone knows ho to solve this problem => nmi watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - cpu stuck for 23s! [playmouth303]
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> jon5000: lsb_release -a
[16:20] <Heisenbug> i cant enter the distro cause systemd is blocked after this essage
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> Heisenbug: wicj ubuntu version is this?
[16:20] <Heisenbug> 16.10
[16:21] <Heisenbug> i tried other distros but this error always come out
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> Heisenbug: add yourself as affected here perhaps: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1530405
[16:24] <Heisenbug> the last part was different...it is the same?
[16:24] <boriseto-work> How can I install the latest (or just not edited) gnome-calendar in Ubuntu 16.04? Because the online accounts integration is limited (yes, I've  even tried with gnome control center, but Ubuntu has a different version of the app and can't debug it).
[16:24] <lotuspsychje> Heisenbug: did you test 16.04.1 also?
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> !latest | boriseto-work
[16:25] <Heisenbug> yes, is almost an year than i cant install a distro, after i bought this dell inspiron 7000
[16:26] <Kingsy> ioria: you styill there?
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> Heisenbug: just curious, what graphics card you have?
[16:26] <Kingsy> Does anyone know how I can manually configure my network connection on the ubuntu mini installer?
[16:26] <boriseto-work> lotuspsychje: I understand it won't be the latest, but even at the version that it is, the calendar is fairly modified that I can't use some of the perks of the online accounts it has.
[16:26] <Heisenbug> i have an intel graphic and an nvidia
[16:27] <Kingsy> I can see it detects the device in dmesg
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> Heisenbug: optimus? did you try a nomodeset or nvidia-prime with latest graphics drivers?
[16:28] <boriseto-work> Also, the snap would be helpful too if it has online accounts integrated, but it was removed from the snap repo (or whatever it's called today).
[16:28] <Heisenbug> optimus what
[16:28] <Heisenbug> ?
[16:28] <glitchd> ok so ive got this idea, it involves 2 computers "computer a", "computer b". i want to be able to open a window on computer a and drag it to computer b. is that somehow possible? both computers running the same os, on the same network.
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> Heisenbug: is your card optimus enabled, as in hybrid graphics intel/nvidia?
[16:29] <BluesKaj> Heisenbug, is this alaptop or have you added anew graphics card to your pc?
[16:30] <Heisenbug> is a laptop, and i dont know if my card optimus is enabled
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> Heisenbug: wich nvidia card is it?
[16:31] <Heisenbug> gtx960m
[16:31] <jon5000> lotuspsychje, No LSB modules are available.
[16:31] <jon5000> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[16:31] <jon5000> Description:	Ubuntu 16.10
[16:31] <jon5000> Release:	16.10
[16:31] <jon5000> Codename:	yakkety
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> glitchd: i think the most used layout, would be using 2 screens on the same pc, and drag window between 2 screens
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> Heisenbug: thats an optimus enabled card
[16:33] <BluesKaj> should install nvidia-prime
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> Heisenbug: so it means on ubuntu you will need the package nvidia-prime + a working nvidia driver
[16:34] <dmarce1_> #Ste||ar
[16:34] <BluesKaj> think it's probly installed by default, but needs to be configured with the driver
[16:34] <glitchd> lotuspsychje, yea thats probably the most used scenario, but im trying to achieve something else, between 2 seperate running systems
[16:35] <glitchd>  
[16:36] <Heisenbug> but can i use the intel graphic instead?
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> Heisenbug: after you got the card working, you can set to low mode with nvidia-settings
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> Heisenbug: wich means it will use your intel graphics, performance mode will enable the nvidia one
[16:40] <Heisenbug> but if i cant boot how can i install the required packages?
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> Heisenbug: perhaps you could get in with nomodeset?
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | Heisenbug
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> glitchd: can this be of any help? http://askubuntu.com/questions/335158/share-desktop-via-web-browser
[16:41] <Heisenbug> ok...thak you very much
[16:42] <glitchd> lotuspsychje, not exactly what im talking about, but its on the way toward my goal
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> glitchd: perhaps the #openssh guys might know a trick with ssh X ?
[16:44] <Kingsy> anyone have an idea about my issue?
[16:44] <ducasse> glitchd: look at xpra, you will need to 'disconnect'/'reconnect', though.
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> Kingsy: best way to get your issue solved, is to repeat once in a while, all in one line with your details
[16:48] <glitchd> ducasse, what is xpra?
[16:49] <ducasse> glitchd: 'apt show xpra' will tell you
[16:49] <Kingsy> Does anyone know how I can manually configure my network connection on the ubuntu mini installer?
[16:49] <Kingsy> Its a USB ethernet adapter, dmesg seems to detect it
[16:50] <glitchd> ducasse, mmk
[16:50] <jon5000> lotuspsychje, did you see the results of lsb_release -a
[16:50] <roomerre> anyone knows what 'd be the config of rxvt ?
[16:50] <roomerre> anyone knows what 'd be the config of rxvt ?
[16:50] <glitchd> ducasse, that command just returns error
[16:50] <ducasse> roomerre: you configure it through x resources
[16:51] <ducasse> glitchd: 'apt-cache show xpra' then
[16:51] <glitchd> ducasse, lol i typed it wrong, it does work
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> !info xpra | glitchd suggested by ducasse
[16:54] <glitchd> lotuspsychje, ducasse thx guys
[16:58] <sruli> is there a way to control internet access for applications like iptables for ports/interfaces?
[16:58] <Adda> Hello everyone! I have a problem with the touchpad on my Asus F302L. It freezes every time my laptop goes to sleep, and I have to restart it to get it working again. This has happened to me with other Linux OS, but never managed to solve problem. Can anyone help? I know how to do basic things in the terminal but this seems too advanced for me... :(
[17:03] <ducasse> sruli: kind of, look at apparmor
[17:06] <sruli> ducasse: apparmor is too complicated for what i am trying to achieve, i need when connected via specific connection (such as vpn to office) to only allow some application and rest of time allow all
[17:06] <ducasse> sruli: maybe firejail can do it, not sure.
[17:07] <sruli> ducasse: will look that up, thanks
[17:07] <NixkorN> sruli: this *nix security solutions are supposed to be usable be mere mortals
[17:08] <NixkorN> aren't*
[17:09] <NixkorN> they are costume built to be as open and obfuscated as possible to protect the user from him self
[17:09] <NixkorN> but to be fully open for some one with the right tools
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> !who | NixkorN
[17:11] <NixkorN> lotuspsychje: ty for the headsup
[17:13] <Vignesh> JOIN
[17:15] <NixkorN> still long until you can get support for audio thru HDMI on amd cards?
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> NixkorN: who are you talking to?
[17:16] <NixkorN> is ubuntu using gstreamer as default?
[17:17] <NixkorN> im talking to anyone thats listening
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> NixkorN: this is not a random discuss channel, ask specific ubuntu questions please
[17:17] <NixkorN> i asked 2 specific questions
[17:18] <ducasse> NixkorN: individual applications use or don't use gstreamer
[17:19] <Giant81> I just want to make it stop with the 5 packages https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/kgscy0Is/
[17:19] <NixkorN> lotuspsychje: i recon theres to many questions for you to answer already so im not gona go asking anymore for the moment ty for your patience
[17:19] <Giant81> is there a way to make apt-get stop trying to install these?
[17:20] <NixkorN> man apt-get is your friend
[17:21] <Geo_> hi guys i have a HP Compaq Presario C300 Solo 1.66GHZ 1Gb RAM 80Gb HDD. i have tried to install 3 distros but always get to a black screen when installing off a usb. i have tried the nomodeset command doesnt help. is the laptop not powerful enough
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> Geo_: what kind of graphics is that?
[17:22] <Geo_> im not sure i think its intel from looking online
[17:22] <NixkorN> Geo_: try a distro from 10 years ago it might just work for you
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> NixkorN: please dont suggest manpage, if you dont know the answer
[17:23] <Geo_> nixxkorn lol i thought that would be the case and the easiest thing for me to do.
[17:23] <genii> lotuspsychje: Intel GMA in those
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> !ops | NixkorN spreading FUD
[17:23] <th0r> Geo_, I run debian jessie on a laptop with similar specs
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> Geo_: have you tried a lubuntu or xubuntu perhaps?
[17:24] <tonyyarusso> Geo_: Are you trying to use graphical installers, or the text-mode ones?
[17:24] <Geo_> i tried lubuntu
[17:24] <NixkorN> you got love Plymouth
[17:25] <NixkorN> even if it doesent loves you
[17:25] <Geo_> ty thor
[17:25] <ducasse> Geo_: do you have the machine in front of you?
[17:25] <th0r> Geo_, a dell 430 running xfce
[17:25] <yogg> Hi
[17:25] <tonyyarusso> Geo_: (The latter are probably necessary for you)
[17:26] <juanonymous> when error like this appears :resource temporarily unavailable
[17:26] <juanonymous> what is the possible cause of it?
[17:26] <lukazrhan> Hey, for some reason my bluetooth adapters randomly stops working. "Google before asking" I did, but all I got were temporary fixes. Is anyone available to help?
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> juanonymous: when do you get this error?
[17:26] <ducasse> juanonymous: in a browser?
[17:26] <juanonymous> installing tcllib from source on the shell
[17:27] <hhee> guys, which two panel GUI file manager available in ubuntu?
[17:28] <brunch875> does ubuntu come with pip3 installed by default?
[17:28] <brunch875> is there a way for me to figure this out on my own somehow?
[17:28] <ouroumov__> hhee, caja from Ubuntu MATE (Hit F3 to split pane vertically)
[17:28] <Sagan> Hi. Does somebody know a good software, which is available for unbutu, and allows users do download files at the server via webui? additionally, I should be able to protect files with a password
[17:28] <ouroumov__> brunch875, apt-cache policy pip3
[17:28] <geo__> so sorry guys. i disconnected so so sorry wont happen again
[17:29] <brunch875> thank you :)
[17:29] <yogg> How can I set the nofile limits on ubuntu 16.04? ulimit -Sn always returns me 1024 after an reboot. If I set "* - nofile 65000" in /etc/security/limits.conf nothing changes
[17:29] <geo__> sombody asked if i have the laptop in front of me. i do
[17:29] <Siva_Machina> Geo_: You might need to use a stand alone Window manager like Openbox.
[17:29] <hhee> ouroumov__, got it
[17:30] <Siva_Machina> ....
[17:30] <juanonymous> -bash: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable <-
[17:30] <juanonymous> is it a ram issue?
[17:30] <ouroumov__> brunch875, actually might be "apt-cache policy python-pip" (or python3-pip)
[17:30] <brunch875> ouroumov__: this only says if it's installed, though. I want to know if it's installed by default since I wish to use an ubuntu machine in which I have no sudo credentials
[17:31] <ouroumov__> brunch875, I don't know of a way other than to test on that machine :/
[17:31] <th0r> geo__, I would suggest you pick one distro and stick with it. Some video can be problematic, but the solution is rarely changing distro
[17:31] <ouroumov__> brunch875, or on another vanilla ubuntu install :/
[17:31] <brunch875> I remember having to install pip3 when I installed yakkety
[17:31] <brunch875> but I wanted to confirm
[17:31] <geo__> i would if i could just find one that works.
[17:32] <ikonia> pip = unsupported packages
[17:32] <ikonia> pip = risk
[17:32] <Siva_Machina> geo__: and as for your desktop. Might want to look into stand alone Window Managers
[17:32] <geo__> i will try Debian “jessie” as sombody said it works on a similar machine
[17:32] <Siva_Machina> since they generally use use less resources then full Desktop environments
[17:32] <geo__> yea i just had a quick look at that. im still very new so ill have to look more
[17:32] <brunch875> anyway, this is because I need to use a machine in which I have an account but no sudo. So I thought about installing the tools I need to develop in $HOME/.local
[17:33] <brunch875> pip makes that relatively easy
[17:33] <brunch875> Is there any way I can carry my $HOME on a thumb drive?
[17:33] <geo__> i just want to run the aurduino app on my laptop and im happy
[17:34] <brunch875> I mean, I can always just set the $HOME variable to the thumb drive and be done with it, right?
[17:34] <geo__> i cant spell btw
[17:34] <ikonia> pip makes things bad
[17:34] <brunch875> have stuff like git and pip in that place, no?
[17:34] <andel> powerline?
[17:34] <ikonia> pip is totally different to git
[17:35] <brunch875> and so is vim
[17:35] <brunch875> but I need these tools
[17:35] <NoImNotNineVolt> brunch875: virtualenv
[17:35] <ikonia> but pip does damage, vim doesn't
[17:35] <brunch875> doesn't pip just shove stuff into $HOME/.local ?
[17:35] <ikonia> depends
[17:36] <NoImNotNineVolt> if you use a virtualenv, i don't believe pip shoves stuff anywhere other than in the virtualenv.
[17:36] <ouroumov__> ikonia, brunch875, I don't think this is the right channel to discuss policy and opinions
[17:36] <ikonia> it is the right channel to warn him
[17:36] <ikonia> if he ignores that warning thats not my problem
[17:37] <NoImNotNineVolt> ikonia: your objections are satisfied by using a virtualenv.
[17:37] <sruli> ducasse: i had a look at firejail, its a very handy sandbox, but its application specific, i need to configure for each application seperatly, i dont see a way to block all applications and allow 1
[17:37] <ikonia> NoImNotNineVolt: I don't believe so, but it's not my problem
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> sruli: maybe the #netfilter guys might know a trick or package?
[17:37] <ducasse> sruli: best suggestion i have apart from apparmor
[17:38] <sruli> lotuspsychje: will try that, thanks
[17:38] <NoImNotNineVolt> ikonia: are you suggesting that using pip in a virtualenv messes with the system python or installs unsupported packages outside of the virtualenv?
[17:38] <NoImNotNineVolt> if so, i'd be very interested in seeing any evidence of this.
[17:38] <sruli> ducasse: thanks for trying... i will definitely find a different use for firejail
[17:38] <Giant81> I've been up and down through man pages for apt-get
[17:38] <ikonia> NoImNotNineVolt: not at all, no
[17:38] <Giant81> I can't seem to ge tit to stop trying to install 5 pacakges
[17:39] <ducasse> sruli: np, good luck
[17:40] <ducasse> Giant81: try 'sudo apt-get install -f'
[17:40] <Giant81> -f not known
[17:40] <Giant81> this is the ubuntu install in windows, not sure if this is the right channel
[17:40] <ducasse> *facepalm*
[17:40] <Giant81> wait a min
[17:40] <ducasse> Giant81: no, it isn't.
[17:40] <Siva_Machina> sudo apt innstall -f*
[17:40] <Giant81> spelled install wrong
[17:40] <Giant81> lol
[17:41] <ducasse> !ubuwin | Giant81
[17:41] <Siva_Machina> sudo apt install -f*
[17:41] <Giant81> same problem, still hosed
[17:41] <ducasse> Giant81: try #ubuntu-on-windows, we don't support it here.
[17:41] <sruli> ducasse: ubuwin??? why would MS ever allow that, where can i read it up?
[17:42] <NixkorN> ububntu is colaborating with M$
[17:42] <Giant81> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Q59Mw82F/
[17:42] <Giant81> yeah I'll stop over at that other channel
[17:42] <ducasse> sruli: it was fairly major news, try google
[17:42] <sruli> ducasse: must have been sleeping
[17:42] <MonkeyDust> sruli  https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/03/30/ubuntu-on-windows-the-ubuntu-userspace-for-windows-developers/
[17:43] <Giant81> sruli: s/sleeping/hibernating/  lol
[17:44] <NixkorN> so now windows coder can hack away at linux
[17:45] <ikonia> NixkorN: no
[17:45] <NixkorN> you can now run other distros besides ubuntu to but its stil in testing
[17:46] <ikonia> not sure how that is relevent to anything
[17:47] <NixkorN> you can install fedora and run the unicorn 0 day
[17:47] <ikonia> still waiting for something relavent
[17:47] <NixkorN> maybe port it to other distros too
[17:48] <NixkorN> thats was something revelant imo
[17:48] <ikonia> nope
[17:49] <sruli> ducasse: the way i see ubuwin is a way to get linux users to use MS
[17:49] <ikonia> you're in #ubuntu - ubuntu technical discussion
[17:49] <tgm4883> NixkorN: fearmongering is never relevant
[17:50] <borei> hi all
[17:50] <NixkorN> fear?
[17:50] <Siva_Machina> borei: Hello
[17:50] <borei> im fighting one problem playing mp4 files from apache webserver (apache 2.2, ubuntu 12)
[17:50] <borei> all browser except safari works fine
[17:51] <NixkorN> i got nothing to hide what should i be afarid off?
[17:51] <borei> browsers
[17:51] <borei> for safari i found that byte-range requsts should be supported.
[17:51] <NixkorN> safari?
[17:51] <NixkorN> now thats oftopic
[17:51] <borei> but i can't find how to enable them on the apache side
[17:52] <borei> i just don't know where to go, maybe somebody had same issue
[17:52] <borei> we can close eyes on safari
[17:53] <sruli> borei: maybe try #apache
[17:53] <NixkorN> do you think that this unicorn 0 day is some how related to the new video that freezes i0os devices?
[17:53] <ikonia> borei: I suspect the problem is the browser/plugin rather then web server / OS
[17:53] <ikonia> NixkorN: stop now
[17:53] <NixkorN> what did i do?
[17:53] <ikonia> please stop talking nonsense,
[17:54] <NixkorN> sure
[17:54] <ikonia> the topic of this channel is ubuntu technical support, if you can help with that, great, if not please don't speak
[17:54] <NixkorN> i bet they are related
[17:54] <borei> #apache only by invitetion
[17:54] <Giant81> I like the ubuntu in windows mostly because we're a windows shop, but linux has so many useful tools.  I do most of my network admin job in windows, but use linux tools from time to time, and it keeps me from needing to use a VM or cygwin to use those tools
[17:54] <ikonia> borei: apache won't really add much value for you
[17:55] <NixkorN> this windows vanished?!
[17:55] <ikonia> borei: you've already confirmed it's working well
[17:55] <ikonia> NixkorN: you got kicked from the channel
[17:55] <borei> yes, and safari drives me nuts
[17:55] <ikonia> borei: try #macosx or ##apple
[17:55] <ikonia> borei: some clever guys who can help you debug the browser end
[17:55] <NixkorN> ikonia: stop with the fearmongering
[17:56] <borei> thanks for headsup !
[17:57] <sruli> has anyone tried running selinux in ubuntu? is it easy to configure and smooth to run?
[17:58] <ducasse> sruli: the selinux profiles haven't gotten any tlc in a long time. it's possible, but would need work.
[18:01] <ikonia> sruli: selinux is possible, but it requires some real effort
[18:15] <kbob> ~~/quit
[18:19] <hamdjan> is ubuntu the distro with the best "stable" to "uptodate packages" ratio? i checked the website distrowatch but it does help only partially to answer the question, because it has a package comparision table for only a few packages and also doesn't consider backports and third party deb providers
[18:19] <Wulf> Good Morning
[18:19] <hary> morning
[18:20] <Wulf> I need to create a user on my system and want a static user id that won't change across reinstallations. From which range am I supposed to choose it?
[18:22] <tgm4883> Wulf: system user or regular user?
[18:22] <Wulf> tgm4883: only login per sftp to manage a file store
[18:23] <tgm4883> Wulf: anything above 1000 should work, although new users start getting created at 1000, so you could start at 1100
[18:24] <Wulf> tgm4883: so there is no official range for this usage?
[18:24] <tgm4883> Wulf: not that I'm aware of
[18:26] <puchogenzo> exit
[18:26] <puchogenzo> exit
[18:26] <puchogenzo> sorry
[18:36] <zacktu> I upgraded from 14.04 to 16.04.  After upgrading I used Synaptic to add deb lines that had been in the old system manually.  Now I get lots of error messages about keys and insecure sources when I refresh the repositories.  What do do?
[18:37] <eslam1994_> join hello
[18:37] <M-liathit> Hi
[18:39] <x2416> hi
[18:42] <zacktu> slow day here - bye
[18:43] <peeps[lappy]> where replaces ia32-libs?
[18:44] <peeps[lappy]> *what
[18:44] <MonkeyDust> !find ia32
[18:51] <OnkelTem> Hi all. In which config file do I write LC_ALL=...?
[18:51] <OnkelTem> so that every new console sessoin would inherit
[18:52] <akik> OnkelTem: not 100% sure but try /etc/default/locale
[18:52] <akik> OnkelTem: it doesn't contain LC_ALL by default
[18:52] <OnkelTem> there I have only LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
[18:53] <akik> OnkelTem: you should have many LC_ settings there
[18:53] <OnkelTem> My problem is very frequent: http://apaste.info/xc02Q
[18:54] <akik> OnkelTem: http://pastebin.com/raw/KsKrKx80
[18:54] <OnkelTem> and I have regenerated localtes, and everything seems to be in place
[18:55] <mcphail> You don't write LC_ALL anywhere, do you? Isn't it used on an ad-hoc basis to replace the defaults?
[18:56] <OnkelTem> LC_PAPER=en_RU.UTF-8 - what the hell is this? I'm having it
[18:56] <OnkelTem> en_RU?
[18:56] <OnkelTem> I'm sure that was not me configuring it in this weird way
[18:56] <OnkelTem> problably some app?
[18:58] <OnkelTem> mcphail: I don't get. Every time it goes in such a wrong way I'm triggering :)
[18:58] <OnkelTem> because I do follow stackoverflow advices
[18:58] <OnkelTem> and that didn't work
[18:58] <OnkelTem> haha
[19:05] <OnkelTem> There are too many places to try out
[19:06] <OnkelTem> /etc/default/locale; /etc/environment; /etc/profile; /home/<user>/.bash_profile; /home/<user>/.bashrc
[19:07] <OnkelTem> So which one is correct? And should I set LC_ALL or just LANG?
[19:08] <OnkelTem> I have a feeling that it's KDE who is breakibng eveyrhing
[19:09] <borei> ikonia: range-request is disabled in apache 2.2.22 (ubuntu 12)
[19:09] <borei> it works out of box in 2.4.7, which 14.04
[19:10] <akik> OnkelTem: LC_ALL sets all those variables at once
[19:10] <borei> why it was disabled - that is second question.
[19:10] <akik> OnkelTem: /etc/default/locale is the place for system wide configuration
[19:11] <OnkelTem> akik: then mine is ok, and actually I haven't touched any of the config files
[19:11] <OnkelTem> so I suspect KDE
[19:11] <OnkelTem> now
[19:13] <akik> OnkelTem: but your file was missing those configuration entries (LC_*)
[19:13] <OnkelTem> akik: should I restart to get it probably working?
[19:13] <akik> OnkelTem: no there's no automatic process to modify that file
[19:14] <akik> OnkelTem: the only one i know is dpkg-reconfigure locales
[19:14] <akik> OnkelTem: or localegen
[19:14] <OnkelTem> akik: http://apaste.info/xc02Q - my concerns are now about those en_RU. I think that's the problem
[19:14] <OnkelTem> and I can't find a place in my configs where it's set like that
[19:15] <akik> OnkelTem: try "strace -e open locale"
[19:15] <akik> OnkelTem: that'll show you all the files locale opens
[19:16] <OnkelTem> http://apaste.info/qnZDA
[19:16] <OnkelTem> so it really can't find en_RU/* stuff, because it's a nonsense
[19:17] <OnkelTem> and I did regenerate locales several times and it goes just fine
[19:17] <akik> OnkelTem: what is that "default locale" ? have you set it somewher ?
[19:18] <OnkelTem> akik: I'd guess it means an EMPTY value. I have no LC_ALL or LC_TYPE set anywhere
[19:18] <akik> OnkelTem: what is the locale you want to use ?
[19:18] <OnkelTem> just 'en_US.UTF-8'
[19:19] <akik> OnkelTem: ok try these two commands sudo locale-gen "en_US.UTF-8" and sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[19:19] <akik> starting with sudo both of them
[19:21] <OnkelTem> akik: http://apaste.info/gyELg - at the end I run locale command again
[19:22] <Init_4> Hi all, trying to find some suggestions, anyone know how to disable internal routing? I have 4 interfaces (3usb ethernet and a wlan) tried to delete all the routes, disabled ip fowarding, but still if I try to ping with -S ip or -I interface  from the wlan I got a response from the usb eth interface. there is anything else that can route between the interfaces?
[19:23] <akik> OnkelTem: do you have this problem in your local machine or on some server ?
[19:23] <OnkelTem> akik: local
[19:24] <akik> OnkelTem: how does your /etc/environment look like ?
[19:26] <akik> OnkelTem: never mind, i only have the PATH in there
[19:26] <OnkelTem> akik: same, path only
[19:27] <OnkelTem> I even ran xterm suspecting even konsole :)
[19:27] <akik> OnkelTem: what if you set these two manually first: export LANG=en_US.UTF-8; export LANGUAGE=en_US
[19:28] <OnkelTem> I love programming. There you can always set a breakpoint on a resource usage or variable modification :) Not the case with system configuration...
[19:28] <akik> OnkelTem: and then run those two previous commands
[19:30] <akik> OnkelTem: it's a problem with the configuration files that you can set things in many places
[19:30] <OnkelTem> akik: http://apaste.info/nINen
[19:31] <akik> OnkelTem: sorry, out of ideas
[19:31] <IonutVan_> python 3 is default in ubuntu?
[19:31] <OnkelTem> akik: np, thanks anyway for the attempt :)
[19:33] <OnkelTem> akik: maybe it's a hint. I haven't reinstalled the system for many years :)
[19:34] <akik> OnkelTem: which ubuntu version ?
[19:34] <OnkelTem> 14.04
[19:34] <akik> OnkelTem: i have the same
[19:35] <linux__> #
[19:35] <akik> OnkelTem: try setting the /etc/default/locale as i pasted earlier
[19:35] <akik> OnkelTem: http://pastebin.com/raw/KsKrKx80
[19:36] <OnkelTem> akik: yeah, I've saved the link, trying... I guess I'll need to restart
[19:36] <akik> OnkelTem: i'm pretty sure those entries are there after the default installation
[19:36] <OnkelTem> akik: was you installing 14 from scratch or on top?
[19:36] <OnkelTem> were*
[19:37] <ra21vi> how to switch to Intel from Nvidia on Dell 7559, using 16.10?
[19:37] <akik> OnkelTem: i always install from scratch
[19:37] <OnkelTem> good approach :)
[19:38] <ducasse> OnkelTem: dpkg-reconfigure locales does not set the locale system-wide?
[19:38] <programo> Hi ppl, I am using ubuntu 14.04, how do  I encrypt my data
[19:38] <programo> present in the harddisk
[19:38] <FinalX> ducasse: it generates the /etc/locales but does not set the default locale in /etc/default/locale
[19:38] <OnkelTem> ducasse: no, at least not before restart. And that final measure I haven't tried yet
[19:39] <OnkelTem> the last resort... the sign of weakness
[19:39] <ducasse> programo: entire disk or just /home?
[19:39] <programo> I see on the net to use encfs
[19:39] <programo> Entire disk
[19:40]  * OnkelTem 's uptime is 18 days. 18 days without Witcher 3
[19:40] <FinalX> /etc/default/locale is used by /etc/pam.d/login, /etc/pam.d/sshd, /etc/pam.d/su, /etc/init/mountall.conf, /etc/init.d/keyboard-setup, /etc/init.d/console-setup, /etc/init.d/mountall.sh and /etc/init.d/cron
[19:40] <ducasse> programo: in that case, reinstall and select it as an option in the installer
[19:40] <FinalX> it is meant for the system and not the user.
[19:40] <FinalX> OnkelTem / ducasse ^
[19:40] <programo> I am using a dual boot of Windows and Ubuntu,So I encryt all my data , will I be able to access the data from both the operating system?
[19:40] <FinalX> so yes, rebooting would be useful, considering it's picked up by init and co.
[19:40] <akik> FinalX: the settings from /etc/default/locale affect the user's session
[19:40] <FinalX> akik: yes, through PAM.
[19:41] <FinalX> so logging out of your session and logging back in, should also work.
[19:41] <FinalX> but for the rest of the init stuff, you'd have to re-init
[19:41] <programo> @ducasse how about using encfs
[19:41] <OnkelTem> FinalX: thanks! I see
[19:41] <FinalX> or at the very least restart those services
[19:41] <programo> can I encrpyt my whole disk without resinstalling
[19:41] <ducasse> programo: don't know if there are windows tools that can read it, ask in ##windows. encfs is not for full disk encryption.
[19:42] <ducasse> programo: not easily, no.
[19:42] <OnkelTem> See you after restart
[19:43] <FinalX> perhaps shrink your filesystem, repartition, luks the other partition, move data over, resize again.. yeah, maybe not so very possible
[19:43] <FinalX> too cumbersome ;)
[19:44] <koroso> hey all
[19:44] <ducasse> FinalX: judging by the questions he asked, not without handholding :)
[19:44] <FinalX> yeah... :)
[19:45] <FinalX> to be fair, i'd not even start on it myself.
[19:45] <ducasse> me neither.
[19:46] <OnkelTem> Folks, I've restarted, and it didn't help. But I just checked tty2 and there it works. So I get the problems only in X
[19:48] <akik> OnkelTem: what if you create a new user account in your machine
[19:49] <akik> OnkelTem: then see if the locale settings are defined correctly in the new account
[19:49] <OnkelTem> found one interesting issue: http://askubuntu.com/questions/501181/how-to-change-fix-systems-locale-when-you-setup-in-a-language-not-official-in-y
[19:50] <OnkelTem> Damn I've found where it's set! It is: ~/.kde/env/setlocale.sh
[19:50] <OnkelTem> And there set all that mess
[19:51] <akik> OnkelTem: i don't have that file on kubuntu 14.04
[19:51] <akik> OnkelTem: nothing in that directory
[19:51] <OnkelTem> akik: maybe it's created only when you edit Locale settings. I was editing mine
[19:52] <OnkelTem> that's because I needed to disable Russain as the UI langauge. I've left there only American English
[19:52] <OnkelTem> very similar to what the author describes
[19:54] <OnkelTem> akik: yeah it works!
[19:54] <OnkelTem> huh
[19:54] <akik> good
[19:55] <OnkelTem> Thanks all!
[20:06] <root3> `z: hi
[20:06] <kivy> root3: hi
[20:09] <x2416> hi
[20:14] <palagummi> kali_new: hi
[20:14] <solace> sup
[20:15] <lavenderbowl> Hi, I've just installed Mint 18 (based on Ubuntu 16.04) on a new HDD in UEFI mode (I made sure to partition it via GPT and add a 500MB EFI partition with the boot flag), however when I try to start it up the UEFI menu displays it as "ubuntu(Drive not found)", and it doesn't work. Any idea what I should do?
[20:15] <ducasse> !mint | lavenderbowl
[20:16] <lavenderbowl> I suspect I'll have the same issue if I install plain ubuntu 16.04, hence why I'm asking here
[20:16] <lavenderbowl> Since it is a boot issue
[20:16] <ikonia> then take it to mint
[20:16] <ioria> lavenderbowl, dual boot ?
[20:16] <lavenderbowl> No, fresh new HDD
[20:16] <ikonia> so ask in #mint
[20:17] <ioria> oh, sorry mint... btw ... why did you create a esp ?
[20:17] <ikonia> (or the correct channel name on the correct irc network"
[20:18] <lavenderbowl> Yeah, I asked there. Since there's radio silence over there, I was hoping someone here might have an idea.
[20:18] <ikonia> sorry no
[20:18] <ikonia> thats not how it works,
[20:18] <ikonia> mint is not ubuntu and has variations, so the mint channel supports mint,
[20:19] <younder> I think I tried 5 installs befor UEFI bot finally worked. There were complications in that the SSD should contain linraries and A raid 0 2 GB array contained the  /var /usr/local /tmp /var and /home and there was a seperate 6 Gb disk that should bee left unmounted, but availabe in /media
[20:19] <ikonia> younder: what is that in reference to ?
[20:20] <solace> Does anybody know if it's possible to match the performance of macOS on a macbook using the Ubuntu 16.10?
[20:20] <younder> ikonia,  to lavenderbowl,  I guess If at first you don't succeed try again.
[20:20] <solace> In terms of battery life
[20:21] <ikonia> younder: but your random file system mount points are nothing to do with anything
[20:21] <DBSNode> maybe if you are a dedicated kernel hacker solace
[20:21] <younder> ikonia, random?
[20:22] <ikonia> younder: yes, eg: /usr/local has nothing to do with an EFI boot, and it doesn't have to be "left unmounted"
[20:22] <ducasse> lavenderbowl: hint - check out how grub was installed, and if the efi fw variable is set up correctly. other than that we can't help you.
[20:22] <solace> I've only written a few kernel modules, and added some custom system calls for assignments in an operating systems course at school. @DBSNode
[20:23] <younder> ikonia, It is not left unmounted. There was a separate disk used for backup which was mounted on demand. Perhaps I wasn't clear on that.
[20:23] <ikonia> still nothing to do with efi boot
[20:24] <lavenderbowl> OK then ducasse , I can always try Ubuntu 16.10 and see if I get the same thing
[20:24] <solace> What would the main difference be? I'm gonna assume that there are a few optimizations that would have to be made in terms of how scheduling and paging is handled (since apple determines such algorithms device by device)
[20:24] <ikonia> solace: it's a closed platform
[20:25] <nricciar> is there a way to figure out which packages,versions are installed in a specific coreos release?
[20:25] <nricciar> wrong channel :(
[20:25] <solace> ikonia: Surely there are ways to monitor the behaviour of the kernel?
[20:26] <noob> 0_0
[20:26] <ikonia> solace: what has the kernel got to do with it ?
[20:26] <ducasse> solace: macos and apple hardware are designed to work with each other, i doubt linux devs have access to the same documentation etc.
[20:26] <ikonia> and "monitor behaviour" ??
[20:31] <solace> Well you don't necessarily need to have Apple's documentation. Performance optimizations will (likely) be handled by the kernel, not by processes. By monitoring behaviour I'm talking about examining how paging is handled, how scheduling is handled, how various services are prioritized in terms of "niceness"
[20:32] <ikonia> solace: so basically you don't know what your talking about then
[20:32] <solace> I would say that I do
[20:32] <solace> Tell me what i ahve incorrect?
[20:33] <ioria> solace what's you problem ? maybe we can help
[20:33] <ikonia> solace: how does the kernel interface with apm to interface with the hardware ?
[20:33] <ikonia> paging is pretty much %5 of power optimisation
[20:33] <ikonia> so I'm not sure how you expect to monitor the kernel to improve power managment on a partially closed platform
[20:36] <tomeaton17> Hello, I have a jupyter notebook running on my VPS and I am connecting to it using an SSH tunnel. Is there a way that I can connect to it from any computer without the SSH tunnel?
[20:36] <younder> ikonia, Well it is down to the gowerner. The part of the kernel that controls cpu frequencey and which cores are active.
[20:36] <ikonia> younder: it's more than cpu activity that eats power
[20:36] <Yiota> tomeaton17 you need to expose the port and then proxy it with a web server afaik
[20:36] <solace> That's part of what I'm asking. Is there no way to see exactly what the kernel's doing and at what point in time?
[20:36] <solace> There have to be tools than can used for debugging a kernel
[20:37] <ikonia> solace: there are many tools you can use for analysis depending on what/how your working
[20:38] <ElinKattunge2> I have set up an LTSP server with an Ubuntu chroot, however so I found thermald was halting all my systems so I uninstalled it from the chroot, however when I came to reboot my thin clients, thermald still starts.
[20:38] <younder> ikonia, My CPU is rated for 3.4 GHz it can run 4 GHz in  turbo mode. Bot when ideling it huts down 6 core and run the reaminfg teo at 1.2 GHz. That clearly affects power consumption.
[20:38] <ElinKattunge2> How do I fix this issue? How do I remove thermald?
[20:38] <ikonia> younder: yes, I'm not disagreeing, but there is more than cpu cycles that impact power
[20:40] <ElinKattunge2> Guys?
[20:41] <ikonia> ElinKattunge2: look at the host
[20:41] <ikonia> it's more likley it's a process running from the host
[20:42] <ioria> ElinKattunge2,  thermald  is halting your clients ? how many ? what cpu ?
[20:43] <ElinKattunge2> ikonia: I don't have thermald on the host
[20:43] <ElinKattunge2> nor do I have thermald on the chroots
[20:43] <ElinKattunge2> but it is getting some init script from somewhere because I see it started in the kernel log then halt
[20:44] <tomeaton17> Yiota: Ok good idea, will try it out now
[20:44] <ikonia> ElinKattunge2: that seems unlikley
[20:44] <ikonia> if it's in the kernel log - it's the host
[20:44] <ElinKattunge2> ioria: To be honest, I didn't want to install Ubuntu, but Debian kept failing with ltsp-build-client
[20:44] <ikonia> as the chroot is not running a kernel
[20:45] <ElinKattunge2> I mean the startup thingie
[20:45] <ElinKattunge2> The host doesn't have thermald
[20:45] <ikonia> yes, but if it's being logged in the host kernel - the host is more likley trying
[20:46] <ikonia> and you've already told us the guest doesn't have it
[20:46] <ikonia> find the binary
[20:46] <ikonia> that will give you a clue
[20:47] <ElinKattunge2> Nope, no thermald to be found on anything
[20:48] <ikonia> ElinKattunge2: why do you think it's running
[20:48] <ElinKattunge2> I don't know
[20:48] <ikonia> what ??
[20:48] <ikonia> you said "it's running"
[20:48] <ikonia> now you say "you don't know"
[20:48] <ikonia> is it running yes/no
[20:48] <ElinKattunge2> It said it was
[20:48] <ElinKattunge2> but I can't find it
[20:48] <ikonia> what said it was
[20:49] <ElinKattunge2> I can't exactly debug the chroot...
[20:49] <ikonia> what said it's running
[20:49] <ElinKattunge2> there is no service for thermald on the host
[20:49] <ikonia> what said it's running
[20:49] <ElinKattunge2> The bootup process on the thin clients
[20:49] <ElinKattunge2> said it was started then halt
[20:50] <ikonia> how are you booting the thin client ?
[20:50] <ElinKattunge2> Explain?
[20:50] <ikonia> how are you booting thin clients from ltsp
[20:51] <ikonia> are you just connecting to the terminal service, or are you actually properly booting a remote client
[20:51] <ElinKattunge2> All I know is that in virtualbox, they boot fine
[20:51] <ikonia> sorry - this isn't acceptable
[20:51] <ikonia> you're doing something very odd, and something you don't understand
[20:52] <ioria> ElinKattunge2, usually you boot a thin client with dhcp + ftp
[20:52] <ElinKattunge2> Yes
[20:52] <ElinKattunge2> that is what is used
[20:52] <ikonia> you just said you don't know
[20:52] <ikonia> now you say you do know
[20:52] <ElinKattunge2> Mikrotik router with Next server option configured
[20:52] <ElinKattunge2> Sorry for not understanding...
[20:52] <ElinKattunge2> I'm not perfect
[20:52] <ikonia> I think you are not being honest with things here as you are changing your responses
[20:52] <ElinKattunge2> I have tftp and nbd
[20:53] <ioria> ElinKattunge2,  t
[20:53] <ElinKattunge2> I'm struggling
[20:53] <ikonia> then what is virutal box for
[20:53] <ElinKattunge2> I used it to PXE boot as a test
[20:53] <ioria> ElinKattunge2,  no nbd involved, iirc
[20:53] <ElinKattunge2> and it all booted right to the login
[20:53] <ikonia> so then why did you say "I don't know, all I know is virtual box"
[20:53] <ikonia> now you are saying you're not using virtual box
[20:53] <ElinKattunge2> No, I am using virtualbox
[20:53] <ikonia> sorry - this is an unacceptable approach to debugging
[20:54] <ElinKattunge2> I used it to PXE boot a chroot as a test
[20:54] <ElinKattunge2> and it worked
[20:54] <ElinKattunge2> but my thin clients halt when thermald reports "started" at the boot process
[20:54] <ElinKattunge2> Sorry once again for my misunderstanding, I'm struggling with wording
[20:55] <ioria> ElinKattunge2,  i know 14.04 works well, don't talnk about 15 or 16
[20:55] <ElinKattunge2> I use 16
[20:55] <ioria> *talk
[20:56] <QqnIer> hello
[20:56] <ducasse> ElinKattunge2: if you're having language problems you can try the localized channels. i'm guessing you are scandinavian?
[20:57] <ElinKattunge2> I'm just hungry
[20:57] <ducasse> ElinKattunge2: :)
[20:57] <ioria> lol
[20:57] <ElinKattunge2> and my brain isn't working right, I am planning on trying this tomorrow again once I've eaten and my strategy might be better.
[20:58] <ElinKattunge2> ducasse: :)
[20:58] <Siva_Machina> You are hungry? Better go eat something.
[20:59] <ducasse> ElinKattunge2: does it just hang during boot when trying to start thermald?
[20:59] <ElinKattunge2> Can't afford it
[20:59] <ElinKattunge2> ducasse: There is no service for thermald
[20:59] <ElinKattunge2> honestly
[21:00] <ElinKattunge2> So I don't understand why it attempts to start it when a service can't be found.
[21:00] <ducasse> ElinKattunge2: does it just hang during boot when _it says_ trying to start thermald?
[21:00] <ElinKattunge2> yes
[21:00] <ElinKattunge2> halts
[21:01] <DammitJim> Can I get out of 14.04 HWE while not upgrading to 16.04?
[21:02] <ihubuntu> z
[21:02] <ducasse> ElinKattunge2: i suspect thermald is a red herring here
[21:02] <ElinKattunge2> I used "locate thermald" and nothing
[21:02] <ElinKattunge2> dpkg -l shows that thermald is not installed
[21:03] <ElinKattunge2> there are no init scripts for thermald on the system
[21:03] <ducasse> ElinKattunge2: which would also indicate that.
[21:03] <compdoc> at least red is a proper color for a herring
[21:04] <ElinKattunge2> Red is a lovely color
[21:04] <ducasse> ElinKattunge2: try enabling persistent logging, and dig through the journal from a failed boot to see how far it got
[21:04] <ElinKattunge2> I have the feature walls in my home painted red!
[21:04] <ElinKattunge2> What a fantastic color!
[21:05] <ElinKattunge2> I'm pretty sure journald is an existing command...
[21:06] <ElinKattunge2> I'm going to bed before I destroy my system, night. I will be back on tomorrow for support.
[21:07] <aburrido> Hola
[21:10] <ihubuntu> hello i try make auto installer ubuntu 16.10 but i can't skip select locale keymap and country http://pastebin.com/VkFEQnUW
[21:14] <ducasse> ihubuntu: try #ubuntu-server, i'm pretty sure that came up not too long ago
[21:14] <cyberspectre> Is Ubuntu 16.04 considered unstable in contrast to 14.04? I must say that since upgrading, I've had nothing but problems
[21:14] <DammitJim> it's supposed to be pretty stable
[21:14] <DammitJim> are you on 16.04.1?
[21:14] <DammitJim> first point release where they fixed tons of things?
[21:15] <DammitJim> how much software are you running for which you had to add special repos?
[21:15] <metalliko> hello
[21:15] <cyberspectre> DammitJim, I didn't specifically install 16.04.1. I upgraded from 15.10. Doesn't 16.04 upgrade to 16.04.1 by itself?
[21:15] <metalliko> someone is watching netflix on 16.04?
[21:15] <ducasse> cyberspectre: yes, it does
[21:16] <DammitJim> oh yeah, sorry
[21:16] <cyberspectre> metalliko, the easiest way to be able to watch netflix is to use Google Chrome or Vivaldi browser
[21:16] <tomeaton17> I having a problem with apache, when I change the index.html nothing changes on the webpage, and I tried deleting index.html and it still displays the apache2 welcome page
[21:16] <cyberspectre> ducasse, when I go to 'details' it shows my OS is 16.04, but not 16.04.1
[21:17] <ducasse> tomeaton17: did you restart apache?
[21:17] <metalliko> i tried google chrome but it takes me to the system req. page
[21:17] <tomeaton17> ducasse: Yes I turned it off and it still displays the page
[21:17] <ducasse> cyberspectre: have you been installing updates?
[21:17] <cyberspectre> metalliko, you might have to enable Chrome's built-in pepper flash plugin. Go to the URL chrome:// plugins and enable the unchecked plugin
[21:18] <cyberspectre> ducasse, yes
[21:18] <tomeaton17> ducasse: But when I stop it using systemctl it is still shown in the ps list
[21:18] <ducasse> cyberspectre: what does 'lsb_release -d' say?
[21:19] <cyberspectre> ducasse, looks like it is 16.04.1
[21:21] <cyberspectre> ducasse, the issues I'm having since upgrading are graphics issues and hard drive IO errors. For months, I had to do manual fsck on every reboot, and half the time it just refused to boot... recently I completely wiped the drives and re-installed, which seems to have fixed that, but now I'm in a login loop where I can't log into a gnome desktop session. Unity works, but it looks wack
[21:22] <ducasse> cyberspectre: i/o errors usually meam failing disk. which gpu?
[21:23] <NixkorN> i think you got bad ram
[21:23] <cyberspectre> ducasse, I doubt it's a failing disk. The disk is only 15 months old, and it reports as 'good' in the SMART data. Plus, Windows has no problems with it
[21:23] <NixkorN> or failing motherboard
[21:24] <cyberspectre> NixkorN, you talking to me?
[21:24] <NixkorN> probably bad ram
[21:24] <NixkorN> i would check for that 1st
[21:24] <NixkorN> yes
[21:25] <cyberspectre> Interesting. What makes you think it's bad ram? A motherboard I can totally see. That would cause IO errors and graphics errors easily
[21:25] <NixkorN> or4 cpu
[21:25] <NixkorN> ram is easyer to repalce
[21:25] <ducasse> cyberspectre: new disks can fail too, just saying.
[21:25] <NixkorN> maybe its the cpu
[21:26] <NixkorN> since ram is easyer to check
[21:26] <NixkorN> id start there
[21:26] <cyberspectre> ducasse, right, I know, but I'm considering the SMART data. And I bought a DVR-grade HDD from Hitachi... these things are supposed to last a while
[21:27] <cyberspectre> NixkorN, think maybe it might help just to reseat the modules?
[21:27] <ducasse> cyberspectre: take a look at reallocated sectors etc from smartctl. but which gpu?
[21:28] <cyberspectre> ducasse, it's a gtx-670. Getting a little long in the tooth, but it's water cooled so it shouldn't be showing signs of wear
[21:28] <NixkorN> what resest the modules means?
[21:28] <NixkorN> if you geting errors across trhe baord might be cpu ralted
[21:29] <cyberspectre> Hm... I wish I could somehow get a definitive answer on what the problem(s) is. This may be one of those situations where you just replace things until you get it right
[21:30] <NixkorN> every distro has memcheck
[21:30] <cyberspectre> then again, like I said, Windows doesn't hiccup
[21:30] <NixkorN> start there if you dont get any error its the os
[21:30] <ducasse> cyberspectre: windows might not occupy sectors in the failing range(s), examining smartctl output is quickly done.
[21:31] <cyberspectre> Okay. So I should check smartctl and memtest
[21:31] <cyberspectre> How to check smartctl?
[21:31] <ducasse> cyberspectre: 'sudo smartctl -a'
[21:31] <cyberspectre> ducasse, I can do that while logged in?
[21:31] <ducasse> cyberspectre: 'sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdxx'
[21:31] <ducasse> cyberspectre: yes
[21:32] <cyberspectre> ducasse, smartctl command not found?
[21:32] <cyberspectre> no installation candidate either
[21:32] <ducasse> cyberspectre: install smartmontools
[21:33] <cyberspectre> ducasse, this is what the disks utility does, right?
[21:34] <squinty> yes the disks utility also has a smart section
[21:34] <ducasse> cyberspectre: it does a simpler check, aiui.
[21:37] <cyberspectre> So just to be clear, there's no reason to think downgrading to 14.04 will help in any way?
[21:38] <ducasse> vadviktor: of course it's possible - different kernel version, drivers and central pieces of software.
[21:39] <ducasse> cyberspectre: ^^
[21:40] <ducasse> cyberspectre: i've got to get to bed, but i'm sure someone can help if you hang around.
[21:40] <cyberspectre> thanks ducasse
[21:43] <ElinKattunge2> ducasse, ikonia, Fixed! xD
[21:43] <riccardo> Hi, I'm having massive disk writes at every ubuntu boot (in the order of 150GB), I saw it through dumpe2fs
[21:43] <ElinKattunge2> Problem all solved!
[21:45] <riccardo> I have 16.04, stock kernel. I have installed ubuntu since a few days and I already have over 1TB of data written to the newly created filesystem
[21:46] <riccardo> continuing this way my SSD will get killed in few weeks or so
[21:47] <Zen> riccardo: unlikely, but 150GB would mean you're getting 5+ minute boot times
[21:48] <Zen> Something is really broken
[21:48] <Zen> I'd boot from USB and see if the same is happening.
[21:49] <cyberspectre> interesting. I'm getting hugely long boot times on my SSD also
[21:50] <riccardo> Zen, systemd-analyze says Startup finished in 3.759s (firmware) + 15.920s (loader) + 14.522s (kernel) + 6.895s (userspace) = 41.097s
[21:51] <Zen> riccardo: systemd-analyze blame
[21:52] <riccardo> Zen, this is kinda worrying problem and I just went against it randomly checking my last filesystem check via dumpe2fs
[21:52] <riccardo> Zen, nothing irregular there,  6.525s user@1000.service
[21:52] <riccardo>           5.261s NetworkManager-wait-online.service
[21:52] <riccardo>            833ms gpu-manager.service
[21:52] <riccardo> these are the first 3 entries, pretty normal stuff
[21:53] <Zen> Oh, its kernel thats taking ages
[21:54] <riccardo> indeed, 14s but it could be anything
[21:54] <Zen> kernel log would be useful in that case, journalctl -xe
[21:55] <riccardo> nothing relevant there, just some network red lines
[21:57] <riccardo> thing is I don't even have 150GB of data on the SSD, $(df -h) says I have just 45GB used
[21:57] <Zen> riccardo: just because you don't see anything doesn't mean we wont, post it please.
[21:59] <ElinKattunge2> o.o
[21:59] <riccardo> Zen, http://termbin.com/vywo
[21:59] <ElinKattunge2> riccardo: I must've downloaded a load of cp to your SSD
[21:59] <carldanle> quick question for everyone - do these IP tables look like they'll work? https://gist.github.com/carldanley/81cd03b1707caafd01e4066c00714264
[22:02] <riccardo> ElinKattunge2, what do you mean?
[22:03] <Zen> riccardo: ok, not sure, do a fresh install and see if it persists
[22:04] <riccardo> Zen, do you have any better idea instead of wiping everything?
[22:04] <Zen> Its the thing thats most likely to solve the issue
[22:05] <Zen> That or the tool you used to look at disk writes was wrong
[22:05] <DBSNode> or both
[22:05] <Zen> actually
[22:05] <Zen> it is false
[22:05] <DBSNode> is it though?
[22:05] <riccardo> maybe, but I came from a fresh install
[22:05] <Zen> 150GB in 41s is 3.6GB/s
[22:06] <DammitJim> that's fast
[22:06] <Zen> Thats 29Gbps
[22:06] <riccardo> you are assuming it happens just at exact boot time though
[22:06] <DammitJim> that's more faster
[22:06] <DBSNode> "more faster"
[22:06] <Zen> DammitJim: huh, no its the same speed
[22:06] <Zen> regardless
[22:06] <DBSNode> i want to claw my eyes out
[22:07] <DammitJim> LOL... exactly
[22:07] <DammitJim> that's why I said more -> faster
[22:07] <Zen> riccardo: you said at every boot, so over what period of time is it?
[22:07] <DammitJim> happy thanksgiving guys
[22:07] <riccardo> it's about 4 or 5 boots
[22:08] <riccardo> i just hit 1TB of writes with ~150GB at every boot
[22:09] <Zen> Right.. so its writes over an unspecified amount of time
[22:09] <riccardo> I need some confirmation about dumpe2fs being wrong
[22:09] <Zen> idk
[22:09] <DBSNode> confirmed
[22:10] <riccardo> is there any other way to look at a lifetime write of a fs?
[22:10] <Zen> its probably right, but the way you worded your question made it seem like it did 150GB of writes every boot
[22:11] <riccardo> well, if I leave the PC on for a few hours, there are no suspicious writes of any kind (constantly checking with $(iotop -Pao))
[22:11] <Zen> I still don't know the rate at which you're seeing these writes
[22:11] <riccardo> by the time the PC boots and I go checking dumpe2fs, I find ~150GB of lifetime writes added
[22:12] <Zen> you're just confusing things even more
[22:12] <riccardo> sorry, I'm trying my best
[22:12] <tgm4883> riccardo: that's confusing. So if you rebooted right now and then immediately checked, you would see ~150GB of writes since you booted?
[22:12] <riccardo> exactly
[22:13] <Zen> And if you reboot immediately after that you see another +150GB?
[22:13] <riccardo> exactly
[22:13] <tgm4883> riccardo: or, what I think y ou're trying to say is if you rebooted right now then immediately checked, you would see ~180GB of lifetime writes
[22:13] <Zen> Then sounds like dumpe2fs is probably not correct then
[22:13] <riccardo> I hope so or I need another SSD within a week
[22:14] <Zen> eh, SSDs will happily take 500+TB of writes
[22:14] <riccardo> tgm4883, that!
[22:14] <tgm4883> riccardo: riccardo those are two very different things...
[22:14] <riccardo> not sure about it, mine is quite old and I recall it being rated +10TB of writes
[22:14] <riccardo> it's a Sam 830 evo
[22:14] <Zen> riccardo: see http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead
[22:16] <riccardo> Zen, those stats are amazing. I thought they would last much less
[22:16] <Zen> Nope
[22:17] <Zen> If the 840 pro can take 2.4PB of writes, I'm pretty confident yours will be happy with at least 500TB
[22:17] <riccardo> Zen, btw do you know any method that can check lifetime writes without using dumpe2fs?
[22:18] <riccardo> Zen, this is kinda a relieve. But if I continue adding ~150GB every boot then 500TB is a pretty reachable limit
[22:20] <Guest47427> hi
[22:21] <Guest47427> what s the command line to updat ethe grub as user
[22:21] <tgm4883> riccardo: you aren't adding ~150GB every boot. It sounds like you're adding ~30GB every boot
[22:22] <tgm4883> Now I'd still say that's likely wrong, but lets at least get the probably stated correctly
[22:22] <Guest47427> does anyone know the command line to update the grub2 I tried sudo update-grub but it doesn't work
[22:22] <tgm4883> Guest47427: did you try 'sudo update-grub2' ?
[22:22] <riccardo> tgm4883, let's explain it in pseudocode: dumpe2fs.lifetime_writes += 150
[22:23] <tgm4883> riccardo: ok, so then what's the output of this command
[22:23] <Guest47427> hi tgm4883: I also did: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of `/cow'.
[22:23] <riccardo> tgm4883, and that happens if I reboot my PC
[22:23] <tgm4883> riccardo: 'sudo lshw -class disk'
[22:23] <Guest47427> hi tgm4883: I wonder if I need to do it as a root
[22:23] <tgm4883> Guest47427: well yes
[22:23] <Guest47427> hi tgm4883: I am running live cd
[22:24] <riccardo> tgm4883, http://termbin.com/aqir
[22:24] <aruns_> Hi.
[22:24] <phc> hye
[22:25] <Guest47427> any clue guys how can I do it as a root?
[22:26] <Zen> riccardo: Whats the output of smartctl for the disk?
[22:26] <tgm4883> riccardo: ok, so lets assume that the math done earlier was correct but perhaps the time frame was too short. Lets say it takes you 4X as long to check it after booting than was previously stated
[22:26] <tgm4883> so 164 seconds
[22:27] <riccardo> Zen, http://termbin.com/n7je
[22:27] <phc> hey folks.  i'm writing a grant to get two DIY desktops in my local high school.  the idea is to have the students assemble two desktop systems, install ubuntu, and have the two computers "network" with one another.  are these two DIY newegg bundles appropriate, and what router would you recommend?  http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.2938462  and http://www.n
[22:27] <phc> ewegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3186807
[22:28] <phc> i wanted the students to see both intel and AMD chips
[22:28] <tgm4883> riccardo: The previous math indicated 3.6GB/s, so using our new estimate of 4X as long, we're looking at about 900MB/s
[22:28] <phc> thanks so much for any advice or critique.  it's for the children!
[22:29] <riccardo> tgm4883, the actual write speed for my SSD should be around 300MB/s i think
[22:29] <Zen> riccardo: 5TB of writes on it so far
[22:29] <tgm4883> riccardo: assuming that it's all sequential, the Samsung 840 benchmarks at 350MB/s write speed
[22:29] <phc> the idea is also to have two systems that will still perform in five years, although by "perform" i mean use open source applications
[22:29] <phc> and not "game"
[22:29] <Zen> riccardo: reboot and run smartctl again, and we will see if the disk thinks its had another 150GB of writes
[22:30] <riccardo> Zen, I see but I don't know if 1TB comes from my latest ubuntu installation
[22:30] <phc> the computers will not have internet access through the school's infrastructure, so i'll be burning the distro to disc
[22:30] <Zen> riccardo: Whats the total that dumpe2fs is showing?
[22:30] <tgm4883> riccardo: the proper thing to do here is what Zen said, then we can compare what the difference is between both runs
[22:30] <riccardo> Zen, Lifetime writes:          1083 GB
[22:30] <Zen> ok
[22:31] <Zen> So reboot, we will see if both go up by a large amount
[22:31] <riccardo> roger. doing it now. see you within a min
[22:31] <ramzeus> zfaarova
[22:32] <ramzeus> hello
[22:32] <ramzeus> can anyone help me?
[22:32] <Zen> ask your question
[22:32] <ramzeus> ive got slow video playback on my raspberry pi with ubuntu mate
[22:32] <mira> hi
[22:33] <mira> hi
[22:33] <ramzeus> and sound doesnt hear aswell
[22:33] <Guest97130> ? :
[22:33] <tgm4883> ramzeus: what type of video?
[22:33] <ramzeus> can be anything done with that ?
[22:33] <ramzeus> playing videos in browser
[22:33] <ramzeus> like movies
[22:33] <ramzeus> watching online
[22:33] <Zen> What resolution? Flash player in use?
[22:34] <tgm4883> seriously not enough details
[22:34] <Zen> we don't even know which pi you have
[22:34] <riccardo> here I am
[22:34] <riccardo> Lifetime writes:          1084 GB
[22:34] <Zen> So.. it hasn't gone up
[22:34] <riccardo> just 1GB at this round
[22:35] <Zen> well, 0 < x ≤ 1
[22:35] <ramzeus> i have pi 3 , ubuntu mate , i just wanted to watch movie online , and had a bad sound (like damaged tv sound) and slow playback
[22:35] <riccardo> Zen, http://termbin.com/wvsn
[22:35] <phc> float any ideas to my query, and ill read up for sure
[22:35] <riccardo> this is the new smartctl output
[22:36] <ramzeus> my raspberry pi is attached on my 1080p tv
[22:37] <th0r> ramzeus, the only way I have been able to watch video on my pi is using omxplayer.
[22:37] <ramzeus> iam new with linux system , and dont know what to do ,maybe this raspberry is too weak for online watching
[22:37] <ramzeus> ?
[22:38] <brian15co> Hey everyone. If I f'd up my graphics drivers and cannot reach a greet screen, how might I be able to reinstall them? Every boot brings me to a jumbled screen of vertical lines
[22:38] <brian15co> like this http://imgur.com/2Y8vMl6
[22:38] <ramzeus> i cant find use for my Pi ,
[22:38] <riccardo> btw Zen and tgm4883 thanks for the support!
[22:39] <Juanete> Hi there Channel
[22:39] <Zen> riccardo: yeah, looks like it jumped ~350MB
[22:39] <Zen> So, thats about normal I should expect
[22:40] <ramzeus> Th0r , what have you used you PI for ?
[22:40] <Zen> ramzeus: we still don't know if you were using flash, and on what browser would also be useful
[22:40] <th0r> ramzeus, would be glad to discuss it in #raspbian...I have six
[22:40] <Zen> The Pis aren't very powerful, but should be able to handle video play back
[22:41] <Juanete> I'm coming here to as a curious question maybe someone can help. I'm trying to block a continent IP with mod_geoip in ubuntu 14.04, but all I can is in every htacess of every domain. But I wanted to do it at a server level and I've done it in apache2.conf, but is giving me an error with the "Deny". How can I blcok ip address ata  a server level so I don't have to edit one by one the htacces? Tahnk you all
[22:42] <Zen> Juanete: firewall, I believe its iptables on 14.04
[22:43] <cygnus1412> can anybody tell me how to change the priority of analog-output sound
 yes, that's the second chance I'm going to take, I was wondering if any solution before taking that path
[22:45] <cygnus1412> anybody ??
[22:45] <poco_> So I guess I didn't understand OpenGL and I bought a game requiring 4.X (Divinity Original Sin) and I only have 3.0. After doing some research I'm starting to realize that I can't update my OpenGL unless drivers are built around it and it doesn't look like they are (XPS 13 9343 Intel® Core™ i5-5200U CPU @ 2.20GHz × Intel® HD Graphics 5500 (Broadwel
[22:45] <poco_> l GT2) )
[22:46] <poco_> Am I correct in my assumption or is there a way I can still get it working?
[22:47] <Zen> Juanete: I'm confused to why you wouldn't want to use IPtables, it can act at most levels of the OSI model so should be able to do what you want
[22:47] <Zen> poco_: if your hardware doesn't support it then no
[22:48] <poco_> It's just strange to me that there doesn't seem to be an easy way to check. I saw an official Intel page that my Intel 5500 *can* support OpenGL 4 but I guess at this point it doesn't? It's just strange to me
 because in IP tables I have to ad all the ip's
[22:50] <Not_a_Robot> Guys, how can I make grup reload operating systems, please?
[22:50] <Not_a_Robot> It is pointing to a wrong Windows installation
[22:50] <Juanete> with the mod_geoip only two letters for a continent
[22:50] <Not_a_Robot> because using Grup I can't boot to that OS
[22:50] <Not_a_Robot> but if I select to boot directly that hard drive, the OS boots
[22:50] <Not_a_Robot> so I think Grub neeeds to update that
[22:51] <Not_a_Robot> I don't know what to search on the Internet for this topic
[22:51] <Zen> Juanete: geoip would give you many false positives
[22:52] <Zen> tbh I don't even know why you want to block entire continents like that
 because the people coming to the site is only from one country
[22:53] <Zen> poco_: I assume you looked at the output of glxinfo
[22:53] <tgm4883> poco_: You could try https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads  Keep in mind that I haven't tested that so if it breaks you get to keep both pieces
[22:53] <poco_> Yeah
[22:53] <Zen> ok
 The goal is that they are using my mail to send spam mails and I want to blcok any of them trying
[22:53] <poco_> tgm4883: I've been trying that but can't get the deb package to install
[22:54] <tgm4883> Juanete: sounds like you need to fix your mail server
[22:54] <Zen> poco_: I completely forgot to ask what ubuntu version you're on :D
[22:54] <poco_> 16.04 gnome
[22:54] <Zen> Juanete: oh right, forget blocking like that, use fail2ban
 I'm on it... although I'm not a really advance admin, I'm trying :-)
[22:54] <Zen> poco_: ack.. then mesa just doesn't like you :(
 Already installed today reading Fail2ban
[22:55] <Juanete> any advice more than Fail2Ban?
[22:55] <Zen> Its all I really run
[22:55] <tgm4883> Juanete: I'm not sure about blocking entire continents, but I would just do it via iptables (actually, i'd just use fail2ban)
[22:55] <poco_> Zen: damn :(
[22:55] <poco_> there goes $20
 I'm reading the mail.log in apache2 and it looks like they are trying all the time from some places not interst on it... same IP address.. but I don't want to be all the time on top of the server adding IP's
[22:56] <Zen> Juanete: I feel you may not be up to running a mail server, mine loves to break on me and I know it inside out
[22:56] <poco_> I tried installing Divinity under Wine but that's a whole other mess than I can't seem to work
 lol
[22:56] <Zen> Though I'm confused to why you are mentioning apache2 if its a mail server.. O,o
[22:57] <Zen> Which guide did you follow to set it up?
 https://www.howtoforge.com/installing-mod_geoip-for-apache2-on-ubuntu-12.04
[22:58] <Zen> Juanete: which guide did you follow for setting up your mail server?
 hours of reading through plesk and internet... days doing it, taking really care.
[22:59]  * kali_user asks: I installed Ubuntu GNOME 16.10 and when I try to do an apt-get xchat-gnome the package cannot be found, how can I figure out what changes to my /etc/apt/source.list are requisite in pursuance of being able to effectuate installation of the package on my target system???
[22:59] <Sean_McG> hi all
[22:59] <Zen> Juanete: And where did apache2 come into this then? Because apache2 is a web server and has nothing to do with mail servers
[22:59]  * kali_user says uh, hello all too
[22:59] <Not_a_Robot> Nobody can help with my simple issue please
 https://support.tigertech.net/mod-geoip
[23:00] <Zen> mod_geoip is a plugin for apache2 yes
[23:00] <Zen> But still has nothing to do with mail servers
[23:00] <jim> can I still get 14.04?
[23:01] <Juanete> well, I'm mixing both concepts because I'm doing it because of mail block listed in internet.
[23:01] <Juanete> I want to block this IP's
[23:01] <Sean_McG> jim: I would think so.
[23:01] <Juanete> that's why I give the relation
[23:02] <jim> Sean_McG, ok, I'd like to get the netinstall, 32 bit intel... do you know where that is?
[23:02] <EriC^^> !mini | jim
[23:02] <Sean_McG> give me a moment. Desktop/Server/something else?... oh, cheers EriC^^
[23:03]  * kali_user asks: Hello all! I installed Ubuntu GNOME 16.10 and when I try to do an apt-get xchat-gnome the package cannot be found, how can I figure out what changes to my /etc/apt/source.list are requisite in pursuance of being able to effectuate installation of the package on my target system???
[23:03] <Bashing-om> !xchat | kali_user
[23:03] <EriC^^> jim: it's legacy only fwiw
[23:03] <poco_> See this is what confuses me. The release notes say that Mesa 13.1.0 (which I have) supports OpenGL 4.4 but I'm still on 3.0. How am I supposed to know if my system can get OpenGL 4.X?
[23:03] <Zen> Juanete: but mail servers and web servers do not interact
[23:04] <kali_user> Bashing-om, and ubottu: Thank you so very much! I shall do exactly that!
[23:04] <Sean_McG> poco_: there are function calls in OpenGL to get the version string
[23:04] <Zen> Juanete: mod_geoip will make apache block connections from those IPs, but it wont block them talking to your mail server..
[23:04] <Bashing-om> kali_user: :) happy 'buntu'n .
[23:04] <poco_> Sean_McG: you mean "glxinfo | grep "OpenGL version"?
[23:04] <Sean_McG> poco_: or that, yes
[23:04] <kali_user> Xchat shall be extirpated from my ansible installation script of packages!?!
[23:05] <poco_> Sean_McG: yeah still showing me string: 3.0
[23:05] <JBall> join #python
[23:05] <poco_> Sean_McG:
[23:05] <poco_> "OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 13.1.0-devel"
 8| Really????
[23:05] <Zen> Juanete: why would it? thats a stupid idea
[23:06] <Sean_McG> poco_: I believe it is possible to build Mesa for older OpenGL APIs
 I thought that if I block that IP, the IP won't enter any port (25) or any other port.
[23:06] <Zen> You're clearly in over your head, probably with a mail server thats acting as an open proxy
[23:06]  * kali_user says to Bashing-om, et alia: In fact over time I have simply conducted upgrades to Ubuntu and I recently decided its time to conduct a fresh install and reappoint the totality of my configuration. I have installed a virtual machine to do my testing, and am planning to 'ansible-ize' my full configuration after the initial installation was completed. Thanks again. Also, how can I get the status of other packages?
[23:06] <jim> EriC^^, Sean_McG, thanks :)
[23:06] <kali_user> !hexchat
[23:07] <Sean_McG> poco_: I'm still on trusty so mine says 3.3
[23:07] <poco_> Sean_McG: So why is my system still on 3.0? I mean it's a very modern system and Inetl 5500 graphics seem to support 4.X
[23:07] <EriC^> jim: no problem :)
[23:07] <kali_user> !wine
 If I block all ports TCP and UDP for an specific IP, wouldn't that block the access to the mail?
[23:07] <Zen> Juanete: yes if you use iptables to do it
 I'm having postfix login fails...
[23:07] <poco_> I guess at this point I'm more curious than anything else to determine why my system isn't supported for OpenGL 4
[23:08] <kali_user> !xchat
[23:08] <Zen> Juanete: thats another issue then
[23:08] <Sean_McG> poco_: not sure -- I have an Intel as well and am trying to build a .deb of Mesa 12.0 so I can get OpenGL 4.4 as well
[23:08] <koroso> hey all
[23:08] <Sean_McG> poco_: at least until I can get my nVidia up and working again ;)
[23:08] <kali_user> !iscsitarget
[23:09] <Zen> Juanete: you clearly aren't proficient enough with linux and server management concepts to have a hope in hell in getting a functioning mail server working
 how can I stop having my mail.log file full of people trying to access all types of accoutns?
 thank you for saying, but the path to learn is to fail
[23:09] <poco_> hmmm well I can only get a $20 refund of GOG credit, not a full refund. Anyone have any ideas what to get instead of Divinity Original Sin? haha
[23:10] <funabashi> hey guys do you know any torrent client for cli ?
[23:10] <Sean_McG> funabashi: I think Transmission has a CLI version
[23:10] <wedgie> funabashi: rtorrent
[23:11] <Zen> Juanete: start with something simpler, because you dived in at the deep end, it took me months to get my mail server to be stable and email from it to be accepted by all the major email services
[23:11] <Zen> Pretty sure only a small portion of the people in here have ever gotten a mail server running well too
[23:12] <Sean_McG> I've got sendmail going on my Solaris box, and my Ubuntu machine just smarthosts to it
 ok. I won't quit because of that
[23:12] <Sean_McG> but yes, good luck... mail server configuration is a pain in the ass no matter which MTA you pick
 I came here for help and fix and learn, not for telling me that I don't know how to do it. I already know that.
[23:13] <amikrop> Hi, pc started to be very slow, up to the point it wouldn't boot, so I tried to install ubuntu from usb. Installer freezes at 2nd window. sudo badblocks -sv /dev/sda stucks at 0:00 done (elapsed time runs normally). Is it a disk problem?
[23:13] <Zen> For the most part the actual MTA is a simple setup, its the authentication you have to bolt on around it thats a PITA
[23:14] <Halfcreative> Hey all! first time using IRC how is everyone
[23:14] <amikrop> Also, when I tried to backup 20GB, it took 2:30 hours
[23:14] <Jordan_U> amikrop: Please pastebin the output of "dmesg" and "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda".
[23:17] <amikrop> Jordan_U: dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/23524731/  sudo: smartctl: command not found
[23:17] <Sean_McG> sudo apt-get install smarttools -- I think
[23:18] <funkyjive> cp -avu /source /target is copying files that have the same md5sum and the same date (according to ls -l)
[23:18] <funkyjive> does anyone have any idea why that might be?
[23:18] <Zen> Sean_McG: smartmontools*
[23:18] <Sean_McG> right
[23:18] <amikrop> Sean_McG: E: Unable to locate package smarttools
[23:18] <Zen> amikrop: see my last message
[23:19] <funkyjive> I have a USB3 drive enclosure mounted as a separate drive that I have used for backups.   went to refresh the backup today and it is like it is copying everything.
[23:19] <Bashing-om> !find iscsitarget
[23:19] <Sean_McG> ooof, iSCSI
[23:19] <Sean_McG> have fun.
[23:19] <amikrop> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23524742/
[23:20] <amikrop> Jordan_U: smartctl http://paste.ubuntu.com/23524746/
[23:20] <Juanete> How can I remove/block the LOGIN FAILED from courier-pop3d from a specific IP address and/or user from a domain hosted in the server?
[23:20] <amikrop> Jordan_U: also, this output may help http://paste.ubuntu.com/23524742/
[23:21] <Sean_McG> Juanete: you probably want to firewall them out if they are abusing your system
[23:22] <Juanete> Sean_McG: Already did in the Firewall in Plesk, with a new rule Denying it but stilll getting this mail.log errors...
[23:22] <allthebrians> GRAPHICS TROUBLE: I tried switching from an AMD FirePro 7000 to a Nvidia GTX 970. Long story short, I removed the graphics card and am at my login screen with a single DVI plugged into the motherboard. YAY! Now what? reinstall Nvidia drivers? But the card isn't plugged in yet
[23:23] <Juanete> Sean_McG: https://i.imgur.com/HFqQs7H.png
[23:23] <Sean_McG> if you did it right, it shouldn't appear in the mail.log
[23:24] <mr_yogurt_> When I boot ubuntu, I get a [FAILED] Failed to start Load Kernel Modules. See 'systemctl status systemd-modules-load.service' for details.
[23:24] <Sean_McG> Juanete: I don't know enough about Plesk to know if that is correct
[23:24] <Sean_McG> Juanete: is it possible the traffic is outgoing as well as incoming?
[23:24] <Juanete> Sean_McG: what do you recommend at a system level?
[23:24] <Jordan_U> allthebrians: Physically install the new Nvidia card, then install the proprietary drivers for the card (*If* you want to) via the Additional Drivers tool.
[23:25] <trenton> Hi, I can't open Chromium
[23:25] <amikrop> Jordan_U: any conclusions?
[23:25] <Sean_McG> Juanete: no real recommendations
[23:26] <Juanete> Sean_McG:
[23:26] <Juanete> https://i.imgur.com/oCnaoL6.png
[23:26] <Sean_McG> Juanete: is it possible the firewall rule isn't actually active yet?
[23:26] <Juanete> I did that
[23:26] <trenton> OK, I'll look online for solutions via Firefox
[23:27] <Juanete> Sean_McG:
[23:27] <Juanete> Sean_McG: You were right it wasn't applied
[23:28] <Juanete> Sean_McG: Going to check in few minutes
[23:28] <Juanete> Thnks!!!
[23:28] <Sean_McG> Juanete: OK, good luck
[23:29] <Jordan_U> amikrop: What are you using postfix for?
[23:29] <amikrop> Jordan_U: its just the live usb
[23:30] <tpw_rules> i powered up my system this morning and it doesn't make it to the desktop. it boots as normal, seems to do nothing for a couple minutes while the moving dots and ubuntu logo are up, then drops into a systemd recovery shell or something. i ran journalctl -xb like it said and didn't see anything particularly terrible. there's "name server cannot be used: Temporary failure in name resolution (-3)" from ntpdate, the nvidia driver
[23:30] <tpw_rules>  complaining about something, and apparently the swap device cannot be found
[23:30] <Jordan_U> amikrop: Ahh, ok.
[23:31] <Jordan_U> tpw_rules: Any idea why the swap device can't be found? Have you made any changes recently related to that?
[23:31] <tpw_rules> i don't believe so. all my disks are working fine. windows 10 is on the same system, maybe it repartitioned and didn't notice
[23:31] <Sean_McG> aren't disks all mounted by a label now?
[23:31] <Jordan_U> tpw_rules: Anything interesting from "systemctl status lightdm"?
[23:32] <tpw_rules> Jordan_U: it says Active: inactive (dead). and the little mini-log just says systemd stopped light display manager
[23:33] <Jordan_U> tpw_rules: Interesting. Try "systemctl start lightdm".
[23:33] <tpw_rules> that's just brought me back to the purple screen with the moving dots. it will probably give me back a recovery shell in a minute or so
[23:33] <Zen> tpw_rules: windows 10 has a habit of resetting your fastboot options on updates
[23:33] <trenton> Can't find a solution!!! :(
[23:33] <tpw_rules> Zen: what would that do? they aren't on the same partition or even device
[23:34] <tpw_rules> and it's like "timed out waiting for dev\disk-by-uuid\<garbage>
[23:34] <Zen> tpw_rules: if you try to mount any ntfs drives in fstab they will fail
[23:34] <Zen> Because windows 10 didn't unmount them cleanly because of fastboot
[23:34] <tpw_rules> oh yeah i know that. but i'm not doing that
[23:34] <tpw_rules> yeah i'm familiar with that irritation
[23:34] <Zen> ok, just something worth mentioning
[23:35] <tpw_rules> all my partitions are in order. i don't think swap is the issue
[23:36] <Zen> tpw_rules: blkid will list disks by UUID so you can identify which is causing that timeout
[23:37] <tpw_rules> yeah it couldn't mount swap because the uuid changed
[23:37] <tpw_rules> can i set it back somehow?
[23:37] <Jordan_U> tpw_rules: Please pastebin the output of "sudo blkid" and the contents of your /etc/fstab.
[23:37] <Zen> if swap UUID changed you need to update fstab with the new UUID then
[23:38] <tpw_rules> if i just update fstab that's all i need to do?
[23:38] <tpw_rules> do i need to muck in systemd?
[23:38] <Jordan_U> tpw_rules: Just make sure that the UUID in /etc/fstab matches the UUID of the swap partition. Though UUIDs don't just change, they are either explicitly set or mkswap is used to re-format the swap partition.
[23:39] <tpw_rules> maybe it was never set correctly in the first place. i'll mkswap and see if that fixes it
[23:39] <Jordan_U> tpw_rules: If that is the only problem, then that is all that you need to fix.
[23:39] <Jordan_U> tpw_rules: Don't do that.
[23:39] <tpw_rules> why not
[23:39] <Zen> Because the UUID will just change again
[23:39] <tpw_rules> and then i'll update fstab with the new uuid
[23:40] <tpw_rules> the partition that i designated as swap is there, it just doesn't have the same uuid
[23:40] <Jordan_U> tpw_rules: There is no reason to re-run mkswap, and if you make a typo you could accidentally overwrite valuable data.
[23:40] <tpw_rules> fair enough
[23:42] <Skydancer123> hello i have a touchscreen and rpi now i need a rightclick    anyone can help me ?
[23:44] <stan_man_can> Hi all, two issues that are super annoying on 16.04. 1) Sometimes when I login my mouse cursor doesn't appear for like 30-90 seconds
[23:44] <stan_man_can> if I click and drag I get the blue select box, but the cursor remains hidden until it randomly appears
[23:45] <stan_man_can> 2) sometimes when my computer locks due to in-activity, the box that normally shows my user name and the pasword box is empty so I have to hard-reset
[23:45] <stan_man_can> any ideas>
[23:46] <Skydancer123> on the raspberry pi?
[23:46] <tpw_rules> okay i had to update the UUID for both the efi boot partition and swap partition. windows must have touched them updating
[23:46] <Sean_McG> bleh why is the indexer so slow on Eclipse... I have an 8-core box dammit
[23:46] <Jordan_U> tpw_rules: Windows is not likely to be the cause of this problem.
[23:47] <tpw_rules> then what would have changed the UUID of my efi system partition and swap partition but not the OS partition?
[23:47] <amikrop> Live USB installer freezes at 2nd screen.. (and 20gb backup took 2:30 hours).. could it be disk problems? dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/23524731/  smartctl http://paste.ubuntu.com/23524746/
[23:49] <tpw_rules> wait god damn it i just realized what happened. grub's configuration got messed up and somehow found an old installation on a disk i had connected
[23:49] <Jordan_U> tpw_rules: Again, UUIDs don't just change. Either the fstab was modified or the partitions were deleted and re-made.
[23:49] <tpw_rules> so it was an old instance expecting different support partitions
[23:50] <tpw_rules> and i was selecting the wrong entry in grub. okay that was entirely my fault
[23:52] <salamanderrake> how do I set up update-alternatives to switch between clang and gcc using the cc var?
[23:53] <Sean_McG> oooo mixing and matching compilers, fun fun fun
[23:59] <salamanderrake> Sean_McG: it worked before, all I had to do was make sure it was set to gcc for the nvidia drivers.