[00:25] <Trioxin> here's a question if anyone wants some points https://askubuntu.com/questions/852907/autostart-gui-app-as-root-without-adding-logged-in-user-to-wheel
[00:28] <valorie> you can have multiple panels, and I believe the settings for each are separate
[02:40] <glmvn> hello everyone
[02:47] <[Relic]> Is there some way of stopping 16.10 task manager from sorting windows alphabetically when set to "do not sort"?
[02:48] <[Relic]> FF taskbar items bounce around a lot if you open in new window rather than new tab
[03:07] <OCNIOZ> Hello! I could use some help with the built in messenger program on Kubuntu, every time I click on Google to try to set up my hangouts account nothing happens
[03:08] <OCNIOZ> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-telepathy-0-9/ already tried what that page says
[03:23] <OCNIOZ> Anyone?
[03:37] <OCNIOZ> Hmmmm
[03:37] <valorie> OCNIOZ: telepathy is no longer being developed
[03:37] <valorie> unfortunately
[03:37] <valorie> I believe we pulled it from the last ISO
[03:37] <OCNIOZ> Oh... so there is no way I can get it working with Google?
[03:37] <OCNIOZ> Ahhhhh
[03:38] <valorie> if we didn't, we should have
[03:38] <OCNIOZ> If it was pulled it was pulled :
[03:38] <valorie> well, some people have said that they got it working
[03:38] <valorie> but mostly I hear complaints
[03:38] <OCNIOZ> Ah. Any idea what those who claim it is working have done?
[03:38] <valorie> google and fb both changed their api or closed them
[03:38] <OCNIOZ> OH
[03:39] <valorie> I don't, and gave up myself
[03:39] <OCNIOZ> Any suggestions on a google hangouts alternative solution then?
[03:39] <valorie> :(
[03:39] <valorie> if I have to use it, I use chromium or chrome
[03:39] <valorie> sorry to say
[03:40] <OCNIOZ> Jeeze... it's gotten that bad?
 They have snapped the Google Hangout but in CLI
[03:40] <OCNIOZ> I use google hangouts for *all* of my calls and text messages
[03:40] <valorie> ahoneybun: a snap for hangouts?
 Oh calls
 I think its called hangups
[03:40] <OCNIOZ> I don't care about calls from my laptop, but the text messages would be super nice
 It works fine when I used it
[03:41] <OCNIOZ> Linnky!?
 Till I moved all to Telegram
 sudo snap find hang
 Either hangups or hangout
 Then sudo snap install hang*
[03:42] <OCNIOZ> Thanks!
 Np
[03:42] <OCNIOZ> I always feel so silly in here
[03:42] <OCNIOZ> I'm an IT pro but it's all Windows OS at work so I know nothing about NIX
[03:42] <valorie> why?
[03:42] <valorie> oh
[03:43] <OCNIOZ> What are "snaps" or should I just google it
 http://snapcraft.io
 One place for sure
[03:44] <valorie> snappy is a way of making instant packages
[03:44] <valorie> self-contained
 Well snaps are
 Snappy is the IoT OS I believe
 That is built with snaps
[03:45] <valorie> ok, sorry
 No reason to be sorry, its very confusing
[03:45] <valorie> agreed
[03:46] <IrcsomeBot1> * ahoneybun needs to learn more snappy and snaps for a conference in March
[04:15] <gstnet> I thought "internet accounts" thing in kde 16.10 IS ktelephaty
[04:16] <gstnet> it works great for me. I use it with google hangouts, AIM and jabber
[06:16] <GoodPuppers> Hello. I have a computer with a GTX 970, an intel core I5 skylake, 8 gigabytes of ram, a few other distros on the hard drive, and a usb drive to install ubuntu. When i boot up into the install menu and press enter to install, it goes to a grey terminal window momentarily, then going black and not displaying anything.
[06:16] <GoodPuppers> Posting here as well, as the problem also occurs on kubuntu.
[06:19] <DarinMiller> GoodPuppers: By chance have you tried nomodeset? http://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-do-i-set-nomodeset-after-ive-already-installed-ubuntu
[06:21] <GoodPuppers> I haven't installed the OS yet, i'm afraid.
[06:21] <hateball> nomodeset works on the install media as well
[06:24] <GoodPuppers> I'm curious, what does nomodeset do?
[06:24] <DarinMiller> GoodPuppers: Sorry, here's a better link.  http://askubuntu.com/questions/131435/can-i-force-kubuntu-installer-to-use-nvidia-driver-not-nouveau
[06:25] <DarinMiller> See UPD: near the bottom.
[06:26] <DarinMiller> nomodeset forces a specific default graphic mode.  Quite often it will not use your native screen resolution- especially if its HDPI.
[06:27] <GoodPuppers> Thanks. Be right back then!
[06:35] <GoodPuppers> It worked, but i forgot i had ubuntu on my usb instead of Kubuntu -_-
[06:35] <GoodPuppers> I saw an amazon logo and noped out
[06:36] <GoodPuppers> How do you pronounce Kubuntu?
[06:36] <GoodPuppers> Is it koo-boon-too, or K Ubuntu?
[06:36] <hateball> I'd use the former
[06:36] <DarinMiller> KU Bun 2
[06:38] <valorie> I use koo buntu
[06:38] <valorie> but since it's made up, you can pronounce it any way you like!
[06:38] <GoodPuppers> does kubuntu have the same advertising and shady business stockbuntu does?
[06:38] <GoodPuppers> I'm gonna pronounce it k ubuntu
[06:39] <valorie> no advertising, no reporting
[06:39] <GoodPuppers> :D
[06:39] <GoodPuppers> I was using mint until people on an IRC trashed my decision
[06:40] <valorie> well, use what you like
[06:40] <DarinMiller> Mint is also a good DE.
[06:40] <valorie> this isn't religion
[06:40] <GoodPuppers> They kinda did let one of their isos get compromised, though
[06:40] <valorie> they did
[06:42] <GoodPuppers> I'm liking linux so far
[06:43] <GoodPuppers> I just started and the automation with simple scripts is pretty cool
[06:45] <DarinMiller> GoodPuppers: For me Linux makes computer fun to use again.  So many projects and things to expore.
[06:46] <GoodPuppers> I also kinda hate it when a computer tells me no
[06:46] <GoodPuppers> I bought you
[06:46] <GoodPuppers> listen to me
[06:50] <DarinMiller> The longer I use Linux, the more I appreciate the community and the attitude of open source.  And the more I dislike any other business model.
[06:53] <valorie> freedom is pretty great
[06:53] <valorie> I don't mind paying my favorite restaurant for dinner, though
[06:54] <valorie> or donating to free projects!
[06:54] <DarinMiller> Ditto :)
[06:54] <valorie> so I hear
[06:54] <valorie> lol
[08:56] <thelionroars> uh, help? The installer won't let me continue past the 'Prepare' stage
[08:57] <hateball> thelionroars: Is this 16.04 or 16.10?
[08:57] <thelionroars> 16.10
[08:57] <hateball> thelionroars: And you have successfully booted into the "Try" mode, and are now trying to install it?
[08:58] <thelionroars> yes
[08:59] <hateball> Hmmm, the "prepare" stage, what does that show? I cant remember
[08:59] <hateball> ack, gotta run, hopefully someone else will be around
[08:59] <thelionroars> it's a new XPS 13, I'm checking UEFI settings at the moment
[08:59] <thelionroars> it asks if you want to download updates while installing, and install 3rd party stuff
[09:00] <thelionroars> but no matter what options, proceeding to disk is disabled
[09:00] <thelionroars> 'disk'
[09:00] <hateball> thelionroars: Does the machine have a windows install on it?
[09:01] <thelionroars> it came with it, I disabled secure boot but am looking for other possible problem settings
[09:01] <hateball> thelionroars: are you looking to dualboot?
[09:01] <thelionroars> nope
[09:01] <hateball> hmmm
[09:01] <thelionroars> I'm wiping that sucker
[09:02] <hateball> thelionroars: have you tried using the partitioning tool before starting the installer?
[09:02] <hateball> to wipe the drive clean
[09:02] <hateball> I think windows has some... hybrid sleep mode... thing... maybe that confuses the installer
[09:02] <thelionroars> might give that a go
[09:03] <thelionroars> Trying AHCI instead of RAID, that may work
[09:07] <thelionroars> I'm guessing it was the RAID being on, that or 'legacy' boot modes being disabled.
[09:07] <thelionroars> working now
[09:07] <thelionroars> phew
[09:11] <hateball> I recall reading about that AHCI/RAID stuff
[09:11] <hateball> Think that was a machine that didnt allow switching to AHCI or some such
[09:11] <hateball> Good you got it going at least !
[09:12] <thelionroars> yes, relieved
[09:42] <timss> Hi. Using Kubuntu 16.10 with Nvidia Quadro 600 (binary driver), and the desktop feels really sluggish. Moving windows have a slight delay, and I can notice a lag when starting krunner etc. Any obvious performance tweaks I should do? I'm used to running Plasma (5) on Intel graphics, where it's really snappy.
[09:44] <yossarianuk> timss: try the latest drivber from the offical nvidia ppa - latest is 275.20
[09:44] <yossarianuk> sorry
[09:44] <yossarianuk> 375.20
[09:44] <hateball> Is 375 packaged now?
[09:45] <hateball> ah I see, very recently
[09:45] <hateball> timss: For the latest official driver: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa && sudo apt update && sudo apt install nvidia-370
[09:46] <hateball> timss: replace with nvidia-375 for the beta driver
[09:46] <yossarianuk> Ii winder if anyone can help me - also I havee a fairly beefy work laptop - I7 cpu, Nviidia 960, 16G ram, SSD - my issue is whenever I write data to a USB stick my system is unusable - really  laggy/slow - its oytherwise pretty damn fast
[09:46] <yossarianuk> its not the USB stick
[09:46] <hateball> yossarianuk: high cpu load?
[09:47] <hateball> yossarianuk: what filesystem does the thumbdrive use?
[09:47] <hateball> NTFS will eat more CPU than say FAT32 or ext*
[09:47] <hateball> I have also seen some bugs related to the notification plasmoid, that gobbles CPU when it updates the progress of file operations down in the tray
[09:48] <timss> yossarianuk: hateball: I'm running 367.57 atm, any particular reason you'd expect the 375 to be much better? I've used a few iterations of drivers on this card without much difference.
[09:48] <yossarianuk> filesystem doesn't matter - fat/ext4 /ntfs i.e using dd makes my machine unusable
[09:48] <soee> 375.20 has one serious bug where opengl apps have poor performance
[09:49] <hateball> yossarianuk: hmmm, using dd would rule out the notification plasmoid as well
[09:49] <yossarianuk> sound skips, mouse lag, just typing this is a nightmare
[09:49] <yossarianuk> doesn't happen on my i5 desktop ...
[09:50] <yossarianuk> anythinng I can do to help troubleshoot - i.e any logs ,,  etc
[09:50] <soee> https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/977518/linux/problems-with-multiple-opengl-applications-running-simultaneously-with-375-20-on-a-gtx970/
[09:50] <yossarianuk> cpu load is fairly high
[09:51] <yossarianuk> not sure if this is ubuntu/kubuntu specific as i've only used *buntu based distros on this machine
[09:51] <yossarianuk> happened to 16.04 also
[09:51] <yossarianuk> (on 16.10)
[09:52] <soee> so it also makes screenlocker crash and you have to switch tty yo unlock screen :)
[09:52] <timss> soee: thanks for the heads up
[09:52] <soee> "The regression was identified, so the next 375.XX release will carry a fix. In the meantime, there is no workaround that we can offer, so please downgrade the driver to 375.10."
[09:56] <yossarianuk> 370.28 performed better in some steam games than 367
[09:57] <yossarianuk> nogt benchmarked 375 - and yes I've had the unlock bug - its easy to sorft out though
[10:05] <yossarianuk> I can see this in dmesg -> scsi host4: runtime PM trying to activate child device host4 but parent (2-1:1.0) is not active
[10:14] <viewer|68393> Hi, since a couple of days (last update) the konsole doesn't start. Encountered on 3 computers (Yakkety)
[10:14] <viewer|68393> Any clues?
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:16] <yocs0000> Hi all! Yesterday update usate the aduio system .... the priority list was altered and caused quite a few problems ....
[14:43] <BluesKaj> yocs0000, what problems?
[14:51] <yocs0000> BluesKaj: got to the office, and the external headset was excluded, which blasted sound across the offices. The priority list was reversed.
[14:53] <BluesKaj> yocs0000, check your multimedia hardware setting in system settings and make sure automute is disabled and relevant controls in alsamixer are turned on and not muted(MM)
[14:56] <BluesKaj> BBL...stuff to do
[14:56] <yocs0000> BluesKaj: yes, of course .... but the point here is that the update overrode th previous settings.
[14:58] <BluesKaj> sometimes updates, especially upgrades also change the config files back to defualt settings
[14:58] <BluesKaj> anyway bbl
[15:08] <viewer|74979> Hi
[15:09] <viewer|74979> I am trying to install Kubuntu in virtualbox as a guest
[15:09] <viewer|74979> while the most is mac os sierra
[15:09] <viewer|74979> its stuck on a window with a blank
[15:09] <viewer|74979> any suggestions?
[17:54] <arensre> Hi
[17:55] <sintre> hi
[17:56] <arensre> nothing goin on hear :)
[17:56] <sintre> same , just waiting till time to do turkey rounds
[19:21] <yocs0000> OK, bluetooth does not work anymore .... yet everything seems to be set up properly. Yet I keep getting obexd service not running.
[19:57] <yocs0000> OK, bluetooth does not work anymore .... yet everything seems to be set up properly. Yet I keep getting obexd service not running.
[20:11] <sintre> well one thx giving dinne rover
[20:11] <yocs0000> hu guys! Bluetooth ot working, 16.10 64 bit, error "Obexd service is not running."
[20:12] <sintre> well seems for some reason using different usb port when installing wokre dnow kubuntu actually booted from ssd
[20:12] <sintre> anybody know the command sequence to update all packages
[20:13] <yocs0000> sintre: I do not understand ....
[20:13] <yocs0000> sintre: like upgrading the release?
[20:14] <sintre> yea couple days ago somebody gave me some back door terminal command
[20:14] <sintre> then it well went to work for thirty minutes
[20:14] <sintre> was like three different lines
[20:15] <sintre> no biggy , sure some more people will be around later
[20:15] <sintre> i gott head off for turkey dinner # 2 here in an hour
[20:15] <yocs0000> sudo do-release-upgrade
[20:16] <yocs0000> sintre:
[20:17] <sintre> here
[20:17] <BluesKaj> yocs0000, one should always update and upgrade your packages first
[20:17] <sintre> ok where to start guys nothing done yet
[20:17] <sintre> it says no packages to be updated
[20:17] <yocs0000> BluesKaj: of course, do we need to say that?!
[20:18] <sintre> ok just had it find some downloaded those now
[20:18] <yocs0000> sintre: sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:18] <BluesKaj> yocs0000, yes, users just need a reminder
[20:18] <yocs0000> sintre: then you do sudo do-release-upgrade
[20:18] <sintre> yea k got it , it  magically found some in 5 minutes lol
[20:18] <sintre> thx
[20:18] <BluesKaj> apt full-upgrade
[20:19] <yocs0000> Bluetooth ot working, 16.10 64 bit, error "Obexd service is not running." Anone with the same problem?
[20:20] <sintre> wish i could help , i don't even own a blu tooth device
[20:22] <yocs0000> I so hate the fact that muon does not refresh the databas ebetween searches and installtions
[20:25] <sintre> moun seems to never ever search a data base for me lol
[20:25] <sintre> just the top programs on front page
[20:25] <yocs0000> anyway, time to go. Have a good upgrade sintre .... yes, it is not only you. I am completely fed up. I am in half a mind ot move to unity. FFS.
[20:25] <sintre> had to us the ubuntu package thing to put some waste time game son
[20:26] <sintre> c ya
[20:33] <sintre> lol funn followed commands , then tell me no new release found
[20:38] <BluesKaj> sintre,  turn off the LTS only option and change it to normal in the update manager
[20:40] <sintre> there we go its rolling now
[20:40] <sintre> thanks a ton
[20:41] <BluesKaj> np
[20:42] <yocs0000> Bluetooth ot working, 16.10 64 bit, error "Obexd service is not running." Anone with the same problem?
[20:44] <sintre> check forums for blu tooth problems , maybe somebody has come across it before?
[20:44] <BluesKaj> yocs0000, make sure bluez-obexd is installed
[20:44] <yocs0000> sintre: this is the last resort, if I had found a solution in the forum would not be here ....
[20:45] <sintre> :(
[20:45] <yocs0000> bluez-obexd is already the newest version (5.41-0ubuntu3). BluesKaj
[20:45] <sintre> is it just one device or all of them?
[20:47] <BluesKaj> yocs0000, ok install bluetooth
[20:47] <yocs0000> BluesKaj: what do you mean?
[20:48] <BluesKaj> it has the plugins
[20:49] <BluesKaj> !bluetooth
[20:49] <yocs0000> BluesKaj: of course I have bluetooth installed :)
[20:49] <BluesKaj> well, it's not installed here by defualt
[20:49] <BluesKaj> default even
[20:52] <yocs0000> BluesKaj: of course, but I need to use it so I installed it .... the point is it worked perfectly well in 16.04, upgraded to 16.10 it does not work anymore together with many other things!
[20:52] <sintre> now you tell me when i just started to upgrade :)
[20:52] <sintre> then again i'm just happy i got the thing to install properly
[20:52] <sintre> :)
[20:53] <sintre> still upacking packages now
[20:54] <BluesKaj> calling it a day ...later
[23:24] <schnoodles> What is the proper way to remove .deb from kubuntu? It never appears in Discover but does in the old "synaptic"