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tsimonq2HAI AARON00:01
wxltsimonq2: i think you're high. why would i remove the whitespace?00:08
wxlit's:00:08
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wxl   * change00:08
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tsimonq2You did:00:09
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wxlno i didn't.....00:09
tsimonq2YOU are the high one my friend :)00:09
wxlhttps://git.launchpad.net/~wxl/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kalarm/commit/?id=d1c759b452d296f75cd8a0cc748b8194d550d46900:09
wxlooh00:10
tsimonq2Explain this:00:10
wxlok00:10
wxlwait00:10
wxlyou're right00:10
tsimonq2+  [ Clive Johnston ]00:10
tsimonq2+00:10
tsimonq2   * Initial split of kalarm from kdepim00:10
tsimonq2   * Removing packaging info for all but kalarm00:10
tsimonq2   * Fixed watch file00:10
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wxldarnit00:10
tsimonq2+  [ Walter Lapchynski ]00:10
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tsimonq2+  * Added lintian-overrides00:10
ahoneybunplease use pastebin00:10
wxlsooo00:10
tsimonq2ahoneybun: buzzkill00:10
wxlso i have to make a new commit and a merge proposal???00:10
tsimonq2Nope, just a new commit00:10
tsimonq2When you push the MP will automatically update :)00:10
wxldone00:12
tsimonq2Thanks :P00:12
ahoneybunhttp://imgur.com/a/MEQuG00:12
tsimonq2wxl: Merged <300:14
valorievery astonomical somehow00:14
wxlyay name's in lights :)00:14
* wxl had to resist the urge from making smarmy commit messages00:14
tsimonq2wxl: I do it once in a while, don't worry :P00:15
tsimonq2"Fix the awful grammar on this stupid changelog entry"00:15
tsimonq2:P00:15
wxlno it would of been something like "stupid whitespace is stupid"00:16
tsimonq2lol00:17
* acheronuk watches build for failure00:17
tsimonq2ahoneybun: So it's gonna fail?!?00:17
tsimonq2argh00:17
tsimonq2acheronuk: ^^^^00:18
ahoneybunXD00:18
acheronukmight00:18
wxlacheronuk: which'n?00:18
wxlacheronuk: also do you have any insight on the license issue i brought up earlier?00:19
acheronuklicences and copyright files are a mystery I have yet to explore properly00:19
wxlbummer00:19
ahoneybunthey are a nightmare00:20
tsimonq2I've dabbled in it00:20
tsimonq2Shoot00:20
wxlignore the debhelper http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kcoreaddons/26/parsed_console/00:20
wxl3 issues:00:20
wxl1. ARTISTIC is not in debian/copyright which is fine00:20
wxl2. QPL_V1.0 is there but not causing a problem https://cgit.kde.org/kcoreaddons.git/tree/src/lib/licenses00:21
wxl3. all the others that are being complained about ARE included in debian/copyright00:21
tsimonq2sec00:21
wxlalthough re: 1 though adding the license is simple enough i believe copyright requries that the affected files be named00:22
wxlthe debhelper was an easy fix00:23
tsimonq2wxl: Read up on the not-installed file. This has nothing to do with debian/copyright.00:25
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!00:25
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kalarm build #22: FIXED in 10 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kalarm/22/00:25
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!00:25
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kalarm build #21: FIXED in 11 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kalarm/21/00:25
tsimonq2Weeeeeeee wxl ^^^00:25
valorie\o/00:25
wxlthat's not wuz extra-license-file sez00:25
tsimonq2wxl: esplain 00:26
wxltsimonq2: you see KCI-W :: W: libkf5coreaddons-data: extra-license-file usr/share/kf5/licenses/ARTISTIC right?00:27
wxlso the issue is the lintian tag extra-license-file, right?00:28
tsimonq2Yessss00:28
tsimonq2Mhm00:28
wxland then you go to https://lintian.debian.org/tags/extra-license-file.html00:28
wxlAll license information should be collected in the debian/copyright file.00:28
wxldoesn't say ANYTHING about not-installed00:29
tsimonq2wxl: Read vewy vewy carefully (I'm hunting for rabbits blah blah blah) "All license information should be collected in the debian/copyright file. This usually makes it unnecessary for the package to install this information in other places as well."00:30
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!00:30
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kalarm build #21: FIXED in 16 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kalarm/21/00:30
wxltsimonq2: oh i read that, too. point being that there needs to be a not installed to remove all of usr/share/kf5/licenses/* ?00:32
tsimonq2Correct! :D00:32
tsimonq2You win! :P00:32
tsimonq2wxl: Now MP :P00:33
wxlis not-installed just like install? cuz i can't find the darn page in this unsearchable manual :)00:34
tsimonq2Step 1: Memorize the manual00:34
tsimonq2Step 2: See step 100:34
tsimonq2XD00:34
wxlStep 3: /kick * tsimonq2 00:35
ahoneybunbtw tsimonq2 stop with the Trump memes00:35
tsimonq2btw ahoneybun stop being so freaking salty, like damn chill00:35
tsimonq2wxl: No but seriously rtfm, I'll DDG in the meantime for you00:36
valorietsimonq2: please stop with the Trump stuff00:36
valorieit's painful00:36
wxltsimonq2: admittedly, i'd consider recognizing the fact that while you may feel otherwise, there are people that respond incredibly negatively to the mere mention of his name00:36
* ahoneybun wonders why his Fire just did a system update on it's own00:36
ahoneybunme included00:36
tsimonq2Well you are gonna have to hear it for the next 4 years at least...00:37
tsimonq2But fine... :/00:37
ahoneybunI'd rather avoid it when I can00:37
wxlremember that whole Be Considerate thing?00:37
wxl*I* think it's funny because one of those wrong memes just proves how terrible it is, but that' sjust me00:37
* ahoneybun orders a Funko Pop or two00:38
valorieI will hear it, true, but I hope not *here*00:38
wxlat the same time, we must remember there are people that *DO* like him, and it would probably be best to be considerate with them, too00:39
wxlso tl;dr let's not bring it up at all00:39
tsimonq2^00:39
tsimonq2fine fine fine fine FINE00:39
valorieamen to that00:39
tsimonq2I'm just a little sick of *someone* being so salty sometimes... >__<00:40
wxlARGH I CAN"T FIND IT!!! :(00:41
wxltsimonq2: this is not a constructive way of dealing with that.00:41
wxltsimonq2: nor is it the appropriate forum00:41
tsimonq2wxl: Just find an example in packaging.00:41
wxltsimonq2: you and that someone would need to work together to figure out a way to get along00:41
wxli find https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html#install00:42
tsimonq2wxl: It's just like an install file. :)00:43
* wxl facepalms00:43
tsimonq2??????????00:43
wxl634 < wxl:#kubuntu-devel> is not-installed just like install?00:44
tsimonq2Sorry >.<00:46
wxltsimonq2: um i assume this is just a not-installed versus having one for each library or do i need to do that not matter what?00:54
wxle.g. libkf5coreaddons-bin-dev.not-installed?00:55
* acheronuk yawns01:00
wxlacheronuk: any ideas about the above?01:02
tsimonq2wxl: Nope01:03
tsimonq2wxl: Incorrect01:03
tsimonq2The file is JUST called not-installed01:03
tsimonq2Because it's for the whole source package.01:03
wxlk01:03
acheronukwas no webhook for kaddressbook. bah01:08
tsimonq2wxl: Where's your MP? XD01:08
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kaddressbook build #17: NOW UNSTABLE in 12 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kaddressbook/17/01:20
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wxltsimonq2: right thur01:26
tsimonq2wxl: right whur?01:26
wxlthur01:27
tsimonq2whur?01:27
wxlthur01:27
tsimonq2whur?01:27
wxlin yr emalz01:27
tsimonq2Oh thaty01:28
tsimonq2*that01:28
tsimonq2k01:28
wxldude are you done yet???01:30
tsimonq2yu01:30
tsimonq2*ye01:30
wxldude01:30
wxlmerge01:31
wxlmerge01:31
wxlmeeeeeeerge01:31
tsimonq2done01:31
tsimonq2done01:31
tsimonq2done01:31
tsimonq2done01:31
tsimonq2done01:31
acheronuklol01:31
tsimonq2done01:31
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!01:31
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-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!01:31
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kaddressbook build #22: FIXED in 8 min 31 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kaddressbook/22/01:31
tsimonq2DONEEEEEEEEEEEEE01:31
tsimonq2wxl: hey01:31
tsimonq2wxl: hey you01:31
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!01:31
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kaddressbook build #18: FIXED in 8 min 53 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kaddressbook/18/01:31
tsimonq2wxl: YOU SEE YET?01:31
tsimonq2:P01:31
wxlyeah01:32
tsimonq2good01:32
acheronuk3701:32
wxlseconds?01:32
wxli know tsimonq2 took for ever01:32
acheronuk37 left to fix01:33
tsimonq2YAYYYYYYYY01:33
tsimonq2wxl: fix it01:33
tsimonq2wxl: fix it01:33
tsimonq2:P01:33
tsimonq2wxl: What else you gonna fix? :D01:34
wxlnothing rtight now01:37
wxlthe fact i've fit anything in is a miracle XD01:37
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kcoreaddons build #27: STILL UNSTABLE in 14 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kcoreaddons/27/01:46
tsimonq2wxl: STILL UNSTABLE\01:46
tsimonq2:O01:46
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kcoreaddons build #312: STILL UNSTABLE in 15 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kcoreaddons/312/01:46
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wxltsimonq2: yes and what failed was YOUR suggestion, so what's wrong? :)01:50
tsimonq2wxl: You, inspect debian/libkf5coreaddons-data.install01:51
wxltsimonq2: i would have thought that it would have been overridden01:51
tsimonq2wxl: Incorrect.01:51
wxlof course i can't find ANNY DOCUYMENATION ON NOT_INSTALLEWD SOFHUJIGDASIUYWRHFIWUYHREFOI01:52
tsimonq2wxl: https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kcoreaddons/tree/debian/libkf5coreaddons-data.install?h=kubuntu_unstable#n101:52
tsimonq2wxl: Fix it :P01:53
wxltsimonq2: i mean i would have thought that not-installed would override any package.install01:53
tsimonq2nuh uhhhh01:53
acheronuknope01:54
wxlgrr01:54
wxli guess if i think about it like config files it makes sense01:54
wxllocal > global > system01:55
wxldo i have to make ANOTHER proposal?01:55
tsimonq2Nah01:55
tsimonq2Just push it somewhere01:56
wxldone then01:56
tsimonq2I"ll grab it01:56
wxlhttps://git.launchpad.net/~wxl/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kcoreaddons/commit/?id=0b06d9dcc8597dc836ad5d017ae5cc3de56f7d7d01:56
tsimonq2Done01:57
wxlthx02:01
wxlhopefully that works02:01
wxlif one of you can actually find docs on not-installed that would be rad02:01
tsimonq2It BETTER :P02:01
wxlcouldn't find it in either dev/maint guides or policy02:01
acheronuknot very verbose, but http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/zesty/man1/dh_install.1.html02:05
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_plasma-workspace build #63: STILL FAILING in 18 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_plasma-workspace/63/02:05
tsimonq2wxl: What did I tell you?!? RTFM!!!!!!!!02:05
wxloh02:05
tsimonq2:P02:05
wxland it might not work anyways02:05
wxl       Please keep in mind that dh_install will not expand wildcards in02:05
wxl           this file.02:05
tsimonq2Well you don't need a wildard02:06
tsimonq2Just the dir02:06
wxloh i guess i should make that change too02:06
wxlthat is fixed now, please merge02:07
* acheronuk glares at plasma-workspace02:07
wxlacheronuk: might i remind you it's 2am? XD02:08
tsimonq2wxl: DONE02:08
acheronukwxl: I'm quite aware, but thanks02:09
wxl:)02:09
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_plasma-workspace build #64: STILL FAILING in 25 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_plasma-workspace/64/02:12
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!02:12
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-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!02:23
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kcoreaddons build #28: FIXED in 11 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kcoreaddons/28/02:23
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!02:23
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-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!02:23
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tsimonq2wxl: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^602:23
wxldarn right success02:24
wxlbtw i turn kubuntu-ci off (read: ignore). too chatty02:24
wxlhell, that thing's worse than you, simon02:24
wxlAND THAT"S SAYING SOMETHING02:25
tsimonq2lol02:26
tsimonq2wxl: Maybe when you fix all the KCI jobs, you'll be able to turn it back on. XD02:27
wxlhahahah02:28
wxlwe need to get ahoneybun packaging02:28
wxltsimonq2: so do you think i could survive a Ninja app at this point?02:28
tsimonq2wxl: I will support it if you do can tell me how many packages are in Frameworks, Applications, and Plasma combined. XD02:32
tsimonq2Otherwise yes :P02:32
wxlwell02:32
wxllet's see02:32
wxli just need to grab all the repos02:32
wxlgrep recursively through them for Package in control02:32
wxland pipe it through wc02:32
tsimonq2And you have to do it all by yourself. :P02:32
wxlso i don't know but i know how to do it XD02:33
wxltl;dr too easy try again02:33
tsimonq2No I mean source packages02:33
wxloh well that's even easier02:33
wxlcuz then it's just a matter of counting all the repos02:33
wxlWAY TOO EASY02:33
tsimonq2Do it. :P02:33
wxl370? :)02:34
tsimonq2How did you get that number?02:35
wxli cheated02:35
wxllooked at all the repos in kubuntu-packaging XD02:35
tsimonq2Not 100% accurate.02:35
tsimonq2WRONG02:35
wxlhow close am i?02:35
tsimonq2Hint: kde.org02:35
wxloh no that's no fun02:36
wxltheir git is a blooming nightmare02:36
tsimonq2wxl: I'm kidding.02:37
tsimonq2lol02:37
wxlwait i've got an idea :)02:37
tsimonq2wxl: Ok, I just need to have confidence that you know our workflow enough.02:38
tsimonq2wxl: Link me to the tooling. Neon's repos. Our repos. Debian's repos. KDE's repos.02:38
tsimonq2wxl: Then send an email to the ML and I'll +102:38
wxlKDE is https://cgit.kde.org/ which includes 4630 lines of HTML dealing only with the listing of repos, with two lines required for each table row, meaning a total of 2315 repos.02:39
wxlHAH I WIN02:39
tsimonq2Noooooooo :D02:40
wxlhttps://packaging.neon.kde.org/02:40
tsimonq2https://www.kde.org/info/plasma-5.8.4.php02:40
wxlhttps://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git02:40
wxlhttps://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/02:40
wxlhttps://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/kubuntu-automation02:41
tsimonq2KDE?02:41
wxlKDE is https://cgit.kde.org/ which includes 4630 lines of HTML dealing only with the listing of repos, with two lines required for each table row, meaning a total of 2315 repos.02:41
wxli included it along with my answer :)02:42
wxl-1 to you for not noticing02:42
wxlso that's an extra +1 for me02:42
tsimonq2Good, send that and any other info you know about our workflow to the ML :)02:42
wxlplus bonus for style +502:42
wxlokok so do you really think i can actually survive this?02:42
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_plasma-workspace build #65: STILL FAILING in 20 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_plasma-workspace/65/02:43
wxlthat's really my question, less than procedure02:44
wxli kind of feeling like i'm getting the hang of it02:44
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!02:44
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wxlbut i could be fooling myself02:44
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Yes02:45
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> I think you are02:45
wxlok then i'll do it02:46
wxljust like merge proposals, the worst that can happen is it gets rejected XDE02:46
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Well all you need is 2 KDs to say you know what you're talking about02:46
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> And the KC can substitute one KD vote for their collective vote.02:46
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Yup. :)02:46
wxljust for grins, can you send me a link to your application?02:47
tsimonq2About that...02:47
tsimonq2I just bugged people over and over on IRC ;D02:47
* wxl facepalms02:47
wxlkind of like ubuntu-motu? XD02:48
* wxl points and laughs02:48
tsimonq2What? lol02:48
wxl1458 < tsimonq2:#ubuntu-motu> If any of you want to help me become MOTU, throw things at me. ;) 02:48
tsimonq2Yeah lol02:49
* ahoneybun wonders what is going on with peruse04:06
ahoneybunmparillo: the full screen launcher works with the super key04:07
ahoneybunopening and closing04:07
ahoneybunso must by something with our kickoff only04:07
DarinMillerahoneybun: the initial Plasma 5.8.3 in Neon also exihibited open kicker no close with meta.  Later packages fixed it and it's fixed 5.8.4.  So it's not a kubuntu only issue.04:17
ahoneybunwell mparillo said that it was working fine in Manago or whatever with 5.8.304:20
ahoneybunDarinMiller: ^04:20
DarinMillerahoneybun: Yes, eventually 5.8.3 was patched and meta worked to both open and close, but I suspected it's patch 5.8.3 that is not in our repo's. I have not attempted to chase down the patches though.04:30
ahoneybunthat makes sense04:31
ahoneybunbetter to just work out 5.8.4 I think 04:31
DarinMillerhey, pbuilder is fixed.  I can finally create a zenial session.04:31
DarinMillerYes, I agree.  I am holding out for 5.8.4.  Do you recall which version was discussed to back port to 16.04?04:32
ahoneybunwell 5.8.3 is in backports-landing now04:33
tsimonq2DarinMiller: Xenial? ;)04:36
DarinMillertsimonq2:  pbuilder or plasma 5.8.x?04:37
tsimonq210:31:55 PM < DarinMiller> hey, pbuilder is fixed.  I can finally create a zenial session.04:38
tsimonq2Use sbuild! :P04:38
DarinMillerLOL, yes 04:38
DarinMillersbuild? OK, googling for doc's.  Since I don't know how to use either one, might as well learn the "better one?".04:39
DarinMillerwill sbuild use the pbuild enviro's or does it have to dl it's own?04:40
tsimonq2DarinMiller: Well the Ubuntu and Debian archives and PPAs all use it, so... :P04:40
tsimonq2DarinMiller: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild04:41
ahoneybuntsimonq2: let him use what he wants04:41
tsimonq2ahoneybun: shhhhhhhhhhhh04:41
DarinMillerGood to know. I understand the concept behind them but I am serious when I say I don't know how to use them.04:41
tsimonq2stop Aaron04:41
tsimonq2DarinMiller: It's the better solution.04:42
tsimonq2Well for consistency and such04:42
DarinMillertsimonq2: do you use /dev/shm when sbuilding packages?  Is it worth the trouble for occasional package builds?05:01
tsimonq2Yes absolutely05:01
DarinMillertsimonq2:  #11 (optional) on the sbuild link you posted.05:01
tsimonq2Every so often you have to clear all the expired chroots but otherwise I always use it05:01
tsimonq2DarinMiller: apt-cacher-ng is great too05:02
DarinMillerIs there an end to the packaging tool set?  I feel like Alice heading down the infinite rabit hole....05:03
tsimonq2Yes, fortunately. :)05:03
DarinMillerholy crap, 11 chapters of documentation.  No need for sleepeeze if one is a packager, just read the endless documentation....https://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~bloch/acng/html/05:05
DarinMillerso is /dev/shm persistant after reboot?  Is the ram disk only consuming memory when running sbuilds?05:06
tsimonq2Unsure05:06
DarinMillerSetting it up now...  If I mess something up, a format re-install is fast and easy.05:08
DarinMillerto app a ppa to an sbuild enviro. do I just schroot -c zesty-amd64 -u root and add a ppa like a normal installation?05:15
tsimonq2Nuh uh05:15
tsimonq2sec05:15
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> That's my script for KCI: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23535986/05:16
DarinMillerfunny, now that i read the docs, I setup apt-cacher-ng awhile back and forgot all about it.  That was before I learned how to do DHCP name resolution on my home network.  I agree, it is very usefull for mulitple installs within the home network.05:22
DarinMillerOK, sbuild enviro all setup.05:32
IrcsomeBot1<wxl23> They should make a full sbuild into a snap05:33
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> :P05:34
tsimonq2Night guys o/05:34
DarinMillerNight tsimonq2!05:35
DarinMiller+1 for sbuild snap05:39
IrcsomeBot1<wxl23> Can someone invite me to off topic on telegram?06:11
DarinMillerwxl: I would if I could, but I am not using telegram yet myself.06:18
IrcsomeBot1<wxl23> Np06:18
SilentGhostmutt07:10
IrcsomeBot1<wxl23> Bark07:10
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acheronukmorning  :)09:24
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BluesKajHiyas all11:44
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IrcsomeBot1<wxl23> Question: KCI builds from a combination of KDE source with Debian packaging?13:46
acheronukyep14:03
IrcsomeBot1<wxl23> NOW i get it. even did it on my own :)14:04
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ahoneybunwxl: ninjahood?14:49
wxlahoneybun: too soon? :)14:49
ahoneybunI'm trying to figure something out lol14:49
ahoneybunoh right14:49
wxlit's the highest level of packager14:49
wxland a "stepping stone for ascension to KD"14:50
wxl(who writes this stuff?) XD14:50
ahoneybunHarald or Riddell14:50
wxlbtw this clearly needs updated https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Policies#Handlers_.28.28NEW.29.2914:51
ahoneybunLOTS of stuff needs updated14:51
wxlas long as someone's on it :)14:52
ahoneybunwell I think if we update that we don't have names to put there14:52
ahoneybunScott, JR, and Harald are not in here mostly14:52
wxlyah14:52
wxli think i figured out the problem with cantor but i'm not sure i trust myself to fix it15:23
acheronukwxl: what have you figured out?15:39
wxlacheronuk: working on an email. tl;dr it needs dev help15:40
acheronukit needs debian or ubuntu to build a julia package that includes the include (julia.h etc), AFAIK15:42
wxlyup15:42
wxland also the julia library15:42
wxlhttps://cgit.kde.org/cantor.git/commit/?id=3ef0e7ba639622d4f9e613043bb99adde5c19d0515:43
wxlthe thing i'm confused about is that darn comment15:43
wxl" Some distos provide packages without actual includes"15:44
wxlif they KNOW that, then why don't they make it optional? or if it's not optional make it something more like "this will fail on distros that provide packages without actual includes"15:44
acheronukit is optional15:46
wxli mean optional for compilation of the julia support15:47
wxlwhich it's apparently not15:47
wxlwell, ok the library is15:47
acheronuk-- The following OPTIONAL packages have not been found:15:47
acheronuk* Julia , A high-level, high-performance dynamic programming language for technical computing , <http://julialang.org/>15:48
acheronuk   Backend to use Julia with Cantor.15:48
wxloptional to compile cantor, but not optional to compile cantor with julia support15:48
wxlFindJulia.cmake:15:48
wxlREQUIRED_VARS Julia_EXECUTABLE Julia_MAIN_HEADER Julia_INCLUDE_DIRS15:48
wxlso the julia.h is a requirement15:48
acheronukit is. so we have to live without it for now15:50
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Morning15:50
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Work today15:50
acheronukafternoon15:51
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> wxl: how goes it?15:52
acheronukI'll have nuggets please15:52
wxlew15:52
wxltsimonq2: good. u?15:52
* acheronuk would not actually touch anything McD's15:52
wxlthe coke isn't bad XD15:53
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Just woke up. Good thing someone caught me. It's like 9:50 AM and I have to clock in for 10:30 AM.15:53
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Well I know why their coke is so fresh. XD15:53
wxljeez mr. responsibility15:53
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Well I set an alarm but I haz not good sleep last night15:54
BluesKajacheronuk, actually McD's coffee here in Canada is very good, I prefer it ot the popular Tin Horton's brand15:54
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Lol15:54
wxlBluesKaj: your country's love for Tim Horton just shows how incredibly oblivious you are to what good coffee is XD15:55
* wxl is a registered coffee snob15:55
BluesKajwxl, read my post again  ;-)15:55
wxlBluesKaj: oh i did. it's like comparing dog poop to cat poop, my friend. it's still poop. :)15:55
BluesKajwxi , have you tasted McD's canadian coffee ? if not, then don't let your coffee snobbery prejudge15:57
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Well the McDonald's I work at just got brats and cheese curds sooooo XD15:57
wxli guess it is true that McD's does things different in different places, so i'll give you the benefit of the doubt. i mean you can get ramen at the hawaiian mcd's15:57
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> LOL15:58
acheronukwxl: https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-julia-devel/Week-of-Mon-20160919/001433.html15:58
wxlacheronuk: that was where i was going to next. you beat me :)15:58
BluesKajwxl, well I'm retired on fixed income, snob coffee is deleiberately avoided :-)15:59
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> acheronuk is our expert log searcher XD15:59
wxlBluesKaj: that's understandable :)15:59
wxltsimonq2: that's not coffee. that's desert. with a side of coffee.16:00
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Offtopic dude :P16:01
wxlacheronuk: am i reading this correctly that the reason Debian is behind on julia is because they don't offer SSL support in their git?????16:01
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> 9_____916:01
acheronukwxl: "Right, the issue here is this is the debian build where they're using system libraries for everything, and that system copy of libgit2 is not built directly against openssl (I think) so https isn't working."16:03
acheronukfrom the github link ^^^16:04
* wxl facepalms16:04
wxlhowever, i'm not sure that means it will actually have the includes16:04
acheronukno, it doesn't. but hopefully as debian kde may also want those includes for their cantor, they will bug the julia team about them for that new release16:05
acheronukor WE could set Simon on them in full pester mode.....?16:06
* acheronuk runs16:06
wxltrue16:06
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Lol16:07
wxlalthough i'm pretty sure that simon's pester mode is a boolean rather than a range16:07
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Who you want me to pester?16:07
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Yeah, on and off switch XD16:07
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Why am I bugging the Julia team? :P16:07
acheronukin the end though, it is just optional support. could tell KCI to ignore that and not go orange on it16:10
wxlcould you get it to make it informational rather than a warning?16:11
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> ^16:11
wxli'm going to see what's in the "official" ppa16:16
acheronukthat's the thing. I'm reluctant to add it to meta/cmake-ignore as then it goes away on KCI, and if/when there is a fix you won't have that as a reminder, and may have forgotten about it16:17
wxlyep there's includes16:31
wxl!info julia zesty16:37
ubottujulia (source: julia): high-performance programming language for technical computing. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.4.7-1build1 (zesty), package size 3769 kB, installed size 26279 kB16:37
* wxl kicks it jono style16:57
* wxl is listening to REAPING FLESH by Black Breath ♫ https://www.last.fm/music/Black+Breath/_/REAPING+FLESH16:57
wxlacheronuk: what's up with that new-appstreamqt.patch on discover?17:11
wxlsame deal with the patch on print-manager. i guess it would be good to know WHY.17:15
acheronukwxl: that appstream patch was left in there as it might have been needed if we were to backport and were for some reason not able to include the right version of appstream17:21
acheronukbut there is now a newer change is discover git that enables discover 5.8.4 and discover master branch to build against old OR new versions, so i guess that patch can be removed completely17:22
* acheronuk goes to look at print manager17:23
wxlok well you're the expert there so i'll leave that to you :)17:23
wxlprint-manager was disabled by clive17:23
wxlacheronuk: is "dependancy" how they spell it in the uk? XD http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_plasma-sdk/28/parsed_console/job/zesty_unstable_plasma-sdk/28/parsed_console/log_content.html#WARNING217:25
wxlwhy don't you pastebin the entirety of the log?17:26
wxloops wrong channel17:26
acheronukthe thing is KCI is building upstream master code so sometimes patches may be obsolete on there, but may be needed if we use the KCI packaging as a basis to package a very recent stable release.17:28
wxlic17:28
acheronukso at least at first, the cautious thing to do is disable rather than remove17:28
acheronukwxl: nope, 'dependancy' is just a typo 17:33
wxlk on it17:34
wxlre: those other two issues in plasma-sdk, i assume just wiping the unnecessary crunch bang would do the trick17:35
wxlwait but that's an issue with the upstream code derp17:36
wxlso nothing i'm going to be able to fix about that17:37
wxlalthough17:37
wxlmaybe it's necessary17:37
wxllooks like there are similar additions to lintian-overrides17:37
wxlso i guess i'll just do that17:37
wxlalthough, oddly, the upstream code lacks it on cuttlefish17:38
wxlw17:38
wxlt17:38
wxlh17:38
wxloh well17:39
wxlnothing like weekend nachos on the weekend17:44
wxlno way17:54
* wxl is listening to Yes Way by Weekend Nachos ♫ https://www.last.fm/music/Weekend+Nachos/_/Yes+Way17:54
* acheronuk pours a glass of something that rhymes with "black spaniels"17:54
wxlthat's my new band name17:54
wxlyiiiiiiiiiiiiikes holy warnings, peruse17:55
* BluesKaj drinks cough medicine...yeah i do have a cold, I'm not a rubby17:56
wxlXD17:56
* wxl finishes his tea17:56
acheronukhttp://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kde-runtime/72/parsed_console/17:57
wxlO_________________________________________O17:57
wxlwell they're all locale desktops. probablyl not as bad as it seems17:57
wxlstill, have fun with that XD17:58
wxlaw heck i probably have to build this to figure out the soname ughj18:01
wxlugh ther'es got to be a better way to do this18:27
wxlthe solution they provide for this violates the problem to begin with hahahahaah https://lintian.debian.org/tags/description-synopsis-starts-with-article.html18:39
wxlum regarding http://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_pim-data-exporter/lastSuccessfulBuild/parsed_console/ i'm rather confused since control doesn't build any libraries actually18:45
wxlor maybe it does?18:47
* wxl is confused18:47
acheronukit's now a single binary package, so everything goes in the pim-data-exporter package. including the private libraries that it builds. as such it doesn't matter that the soname of that private library doesn't match the package name, and for that library could be overridden19:08
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IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Hai guys20:59
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> wxl wxl wxl wxl wxl wxl wxl wxl20:59
wxloi20:59
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> :P20:59
valorietsimonq2: have you been jamming caffeine again?21:00
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> No I just feel like bugging wxl today :P21:00
valorieso unkind!21:00
wxlit's ok since i usually just ignore his ridiculousness :)21:01
valoriehe's been working hard here21:01
valorielol21:01
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Well I'm gonna become MOTU this weekend XD21:01
valoriewoah21:01
wxlthen quit bugging me21:01
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Right wxl? :P21:01
wxlgo bug your sponsors21:01
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Well I'm waiting for my ride. :P21:02
wxlget a bike21:02
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Not with me21:02
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wxlride to work21:02
valoriehaving a MOTU around again would be awesome21:02
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wxlvalorie: did you see my early mail to the list?21:03
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IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> wxl: Can you tell valorie exactly what Logan said? XD21:03
valorieoh, I need to read email21:03
valoriethanks for reminding me21:03
wxl1930 < Logan:#ubuntu-motu> so basically make them sick of you21:04
valorieyup, pretty much like Kubuntu Devel -- dude, sick of uploading for you, schedule your meeting!21:05
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Lol21:05
valoriewxl: about your email re:julia.h -- it is always good to talk to the devel team21:08
valorieand then file a bug21:08
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Wasn't that to kubuntu-devel?21:08
valorieyes21:08
valoriethanks for writing a technical email I could easily understand21:09
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Won't filing a bug happen after some discussion with something like this?21:09
wxlvalorie: i try :) but that's not the one i wanted you to see21:09
valoriethe Julia devels might know why includes are lacking in Debian & Ubuntu21:09
wxltsimonq2: yeah my thing is i don't know why the bug exists. i feel like it would be a good first step to talk to the debian maintainers of julia21:09
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Then as a wise man once said, "JUST DO IT!"21:10
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> :P21:10
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> "Don't let your dreams be dreams! Yesterday you said tomorrow!"21:11
valorieis there grilling for a ninja black belt?21:11
valorieI thought the work was the grilling21:11
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Nah21:11
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> Correct valorie21:12
IrcsomeBot1<tsimonq2> I'm +1 fwiw21:12
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IrcsomeBot1<ahoneybun> About wxl ninja?21:46
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* valorie has no vote -- I think the other ninjas or KDs decide21:54
acheronuksomething like that22:04
tsimonq2acheronuk: wxl for ninja - your vote? :)22:05
acheronukI mean KDs decide. not ninjas22:05
tsimonq2I know22:05
tsimonq2BUT22:05
tsimonq2Your opinion?22:05
acheronuk+0.7522:07
tsimonq2Oh?22:07
acheronukI would just like to see some more good example MPs 1st. not that I doubt walter's ability, but just see more of what he would would push to git if he had that permission22:11
acheronuka formality really22:13
acheronukif others decide to just ninja him up, I would not have any real objection22:14
tsimonq2wxl: Go go go :D22:15
wxlwell i'll just keep doing what i'm doing :)22:16
valorieI love seeing the green!22:18
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