[02:37] <dobey> LStranger: well, or it needs someone to "fix" the s390x test for plasma-framework. it's not about openbox depending on plasma, but plasma depends on openbox
[02:38] <dobey> LStranger: maybe talk to mirv or slangasek on monday, since it seems they've both commented on that bug.
[07:28] <ginggs> Is there a problem on the armhf buildds at the moment? Can't locate Dpkg/Arch.pm in @INC (you may need to install the Dpkg::Arch module)
[08:16] <ginggs> ah, seems it just needed the armhf build of perl 5.24.1~rc4-1 to become available in zety-proposed.
[09:13] <LocutusOfBorg> is it normal to sync daemontools? the upstart delta seems droppable, right?
[11:35] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: iirc, ubuntu phone still uses upstart
[13:43] <mrottenkolber> Hi, is there a standard guide for keybindings? E.g. what document defines that C-s should always be "save" and C-q should be "quit" etc in Ubuntu. Is it Freedsktop related?
[13:56] <Son_Goku> mrottenkolber, no
[13:57] <Son_Goku> mrottenkolber: no, it's a convention that was inherited from GNOME
[13:57] <mrottenkolber> there is no reference at all?
[13:58] <Son_Goku> well, ehh
[13:58] <mrottenkolber> e.g. a formal reference
[13:58] <Son_Goku> I think it's mentioned in the GNOME and KDE HIGs
[13:58] <Son_Goku> but I'm not sure about that
[13:58] <mrottenkolber> hig? human interface guide?
[13:58] <Son_Goku> yes
[14:57] <LStranger> I think the first de-facto keybindings standard was from Microsoft, then all others taken it as a template for convenience.
[14:58] <LStranger> Or may be even from Apple, cannot remember who was first with wide-spread GUI.
[16:24] <LocutusOfBorg> ginggs, somebody (pitti maybe?) told that upstart delta should be dropped, sometime ago
[16:25] <LocutusOfBorg> I opened a bug for this, lets see if we can reach a common decision :)
[16:27] <LocutusOfBorg> we should put some statement on ubuntu-devel mail list