| teddy-dbear | Morning peoples, critters and everything else | 10:55 |
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| icey | ahoy | 12:52 |
| waltman | I may be building a new linux server this week. Which ubuntu do I want? | 15:19 |
| waltman | Do I want desktop or server? I'm assuming it's like debian in that this is just to get me started, and then I can install whatever I want later on. | 15:20 |
| icey | waltman: 16.04 Server | 15:21 |
| waltman | I'm thinking I'll go stock to start off with. If I decide I hate unity (or whatever the stock desktop is these days) and want to switch to, say, xubuntu, how hard is it to switch? | 15:21 |
| icey | fairly easy | 15:21 |
| waltman | Nice | 15:21 |
| icey | I have 17.04 desktop installed curently on my l;aptop | 15:21 |
| icey | but I'm running i3 | 15:21 |
| waltman | what's i3? | 15:21 |
| icey | installing a different desktop environment (i3, gnome3, kde, ...) just adds a menu entry to the login screen that lets you login with that option | 15:22 |
| icey | i3 is a tiling window manager | 15:22 |
| waltman | ah | 15:22 |
| waltman | I've got a box that's at least 11 years old, and it's been running debian testing all this time. It's become a complete mess. | 15:23 |
| waltman | Over the weekend I tried to fix a relatively minor package dependency issue and created a major problem. | 15:28 |
| icey | ha | 15:28 |
| waltman | I've got it stable, but at this point it's not worth trying to fix it. | 15:28 |
| waltman | Is ubuntu systemd now? | 15:29 |
| pleia2 | it is | 15:32 |
| waltman | That was one of the things that apt-get wanted to install for me on Saturday :) | 15:40 |
| waltman | Note to self: don't mix aptitude and apt-get. | 15:40 |
| icey | waltman: ;-) | 15:40 |
| waltman | Another question -- how easy is it to upgrade to the next point release? That used to be a nightmare in red hat, and was a big reason why I was running debian-testing. | 15:42 |
| icey | waltman: 2 weeks ago I took it from 16.04 (last LTS) through 17.04 (next release, coming out in April) in less than 2 hours? | 15:42 |
| waltman | But after 11 years I've got tons of package conflicts that are basically impossible to fix. | 15:42 |
| waltman | That seems like a long time. Did you run into any problems? | 15:43 |
| icey | most of it was waiting on packages to download and u pdate | 15:43 |
| icey | 17.04 is curently the daily build so lots of changes from 16.10 | 15:43 |
| waltman | nod | 15:44 |
| waltman | I've been afraid to update my linode from 12.04.5 for fear of breaking things. | 15:44 |
| jthan | I feel like if you'd just done upgrades as time went on you wouldn't need to have any fear.. | 15:45 |
| jthan | why not 12.04->14.04 before now? Unless your Linode is running something SO important you couldn't have any downtime at all | 15:46 |
| waltman | I have a complicated email setup that I didn't want to break. | 15:47 |
| waltman | Also it's working fine as it is, so I didn't see much benefit in upgrading. | 15:48 |
| jthan | Well, I wouldn't go 12.04->17.x or whatever the latest LTS is | 15:49 |
| jthan | I'd go to 14.04 | 15:49 |
| jthan | but.. I haven't used Ubuntu in awhile. Last I recall that was the recommendation though | 15:50 |
| waltman | Every time I login it reminds me that 14.04.1 is available :) | 15:50 |
| * jthan fortunately/unfortunately works in a redhat shop now | 15:50 | |
| waltman | so if I did "do-release-upgrade", that's what I'd get | 15:50 |
| jthan | The upgrade process seems pretty sturdy though. I doubt of all the things to break your email would be the thing to go. | 15:50 |
| waltman | My other consideration is that when I set it up 4 years ago I used a 32-bit install, and I'd really like to have it be 64 bits. But that will require more work. | 15:54 |
| waltman | I think I need to spin up a new linode for that. | 15:54 |
| waltman | Tha was the recommendation of linode folks I talked to at some conferences. | 15:55 |
| L3gacy | Hai | 18:32 |
| jthan | \o | 18:32 |
| L3gacy | \o/ | 18:34 |
| L3gacy | wassup? I'm trying to offload a Dell PE 860 and a dell PE 2900 :) | 18:35 |
| jthan | I'm not local or I'd totally consider | 18:35 |
| L3gacy | :) | 18:35 |
| L3gacy | The 2900 has dual quad Xeons, 8GB, 250GB 720RPM, and a 146GB 15k :) | 18:36 |
| paden | Rack servers? | 18:37 |
| jthan | Lol | 18:37 |
| r00t^2 | L3gacy: i'd be interested | 18:37 |
| paden | L3gacy: I'm interested as well. | 18:37 |
| L3gacy | 2900 is a tower server | 18:37 |
| paden | You should totally give it to me over r00t^2. | 18:37 |
| jthan | L3gacy: make them fight to the death | 18:37 |
| L3gacy | With Pickup, I'm asking $775 for the PE2900 | 18:38 |
| paden | .... | 18:38 |
| L3gacy | oops | 18:38 |
| L3gacy | $75 | 18:38 |
| L3gacy | lol | 18:38 |
| paden | how much for the... | 18:38 |
| paden | Specs? | 18:38 |
| L3gacy | bad keyboard! Bad! | 18:38 |
| jthan | paden: 11:36 < L3gacy> The 2900 has dual quad Xeons, 8GB, 250GB 720RPM, and a 146GB 15k :) | 18:38 |
| r00t^2 | i was gonna say, 775 for a 2900 is a bit steep lol | 18:38 |
| L3gacy | Dual Quad Xeons, 2.33Ghz I believe, 8GB FB DDR2 ECC, 250GB 7200, 146GB 15k | 18:38 |
| L3gacy | I can install Linux of choice on it | 18:39 |
| r00t^2 | i can handle installation. aftermarket fans? | 18:39 |
| r00t^2 | those PE stocks are loud as heck | 18:39 |
| L3gacy | Stock, but you can mod and replace :) | 18:39 |
| r00t^2 | gotcha. where y'at? | 18:39 |
| L3gacy | http://www.ratzblog.com/2014/08/reducing-dell-poweredge-pe-295029002800.html | 18:39 |
| L3gacy | Vineland, NJ | 18:40 |
| r00t^2 | not bad at all | 18:40 |
| L3gacy | dual PSUs, too | 18:40 |
| L3gacy | 77A at 12v | 18:40 |
| r00t^2 | yeah, i have a 2800; pretty familiar with the poweredge line | 18:40 |
| L3gacy | Those PSUs wont ring your bell as bad as my old Ampeg VT22 amp | 18:41 |
| L3gacy | 650v @ 2.5A DC | 18:41 |
| L3gacy | I got bit working on it... thrown across the room | 18:41 |
| r00t^2 | paden: it's all yours, i don't think i'd have room in my rack | 18:41 |
| L3gacy | the 860 is here, too. 4GB ECC DDR2 80GB drive Core 2 Duo | 18:41 |
| paden | Got pictures? | 18:42 |
| L3gacy | not atm | 18:42 |
| L3gacy | soon as I charge phone again | 18:42 |
| paden | OK. | 18:42 |
| L3gacy | http://imgur.com/a/B7r4s I have the sleds and spacers | 18:44 |
| L3gacy | paden, ok? | 18:52 |
| jthan | L3gacy: he sometimes gets pretty busy at work and can't answer right away. just fyi :-p Also it's okay to verbally abuse him | 18:53 |
| L3gacy | lol | 18:53 |
| jthan | paden: You're bad | 18:53 |
| jthan | paden: at most things | 18:53 |
| L3gacy | I need tacos | 19:29 |
| jthan | same | 19:29 |
| paden | L3gacy: Lemme think about it? | 20:11 |
| paden | I might be able to swing it....Maybe. | 20:12 |
| L3gacy | okie :) | 20:18 |
| jthan | I'd jump if I were in PA | 20:18 |
| paden | Dude. | 20:19 |
| paden | You can't have my server. | 20:19 |
| jthan | I'd race you | 20:19 |
| paden | ... | 20:19 |
| paden | I'd win. | 20:19 |
| jthan | VROOM VROOM | 20:19 |
| paden | I have the faster vehicle. | 20:19 |
| jthan | no you wouldn't. | 20:19 |
| jthan | no you don't. | 20:20 |
| paden | Better gearing. | 20:20 |
| paden | Yes I do. | 20:20 |
| jthan | Dude. | 20:20 |
| jthan | I'd hop in the 4Runner and toast your ass | 20:20 |
| paden | Whatever. | 20:20 |
| L3gacy | lol | 20:23 |
| L3gacy | As a matter of fact, Paden, I'll do $50 if you pick it up. Summbeech is heavy, and I can't lift it due to diminished lung function | 20:24 |
| L3gacy | Asthma/COPD | 20:24 |
| paden | Ah, gotcha. | 20:24 |
| paden | Hmmm | 20:25 |
| paden | What Xeons? | 20:26 |
| L3gacy | E series 5Ks | 20:26 |
| L3gacy | I can check on power up once I find a VGA cable | 20:26 |
| * L3gacy loks under couch | 20:26 | |
| L3gacy | *looks, even | 20:26 |
| L3gacy | OOOH! Cheetos! | 20:27 |
| L3gacy | >.> | 20:27 |
| waltman | nom nom | 20:27 |
| paden | L3gacy: does it have all the disk sleds? | 20:28 |
| L3gacy | jgq63g1 serial | 20:28 |
| L3gacy | looking now | 20:28 |
| L3gacy | 4 sleds | 20:28 |
| paden | 4 sleds? | 20:28 |
| paden | Hmmmm | 20:28 |
| paden | That sounds like a pretty good deal. | 20:29 |
| L3gacy | E5405 2.00Ghz Quad Core 12MB cache Xeons | 20:30 |
| L3gacy | :) | 20:30 |
| paden | Thanks. | 20:31 |
| L3gacy | Still has the server 2003 sticker :) | 20:31 |
| L3gacy | yw | 20:31 |
| paden | Oh, nice. | 20:32 |
| L3gacy | 8GB tho :) | 20:32 |
| L3gacy | And my web server is being pulled offline in a week | 20:32 |
| L3gacy | ffs.. | 20:32 |
| L3gacy | Time to put my 860 back in service here | 20:32 |
| paden | The ram isn't an issue. | 20:33 |
| L3gacy | cool beans | 20:33 |
| L3gacy | I also have a 146GB 15k for it | 20:38 |
| paden | Yeah, I saw that. | 20:39 |
| paden | SATA or SAS? | 20:39 |
| paden | Or? | 20:39 |
| L3gacy | 146 SAS, 250 SATA | 20:39 |
| paden | Interesting. | 20:39 |
| icey | L3gacy: what size disks can it take? | 20:40 |
| L3gacy | brb | 20:40 |
| L3gacy | 2tv each | 20:40 |
| L3gacy | tb | 20:40 |
| paden | Just 2TB? | 20:41 |
| L3gacy | per slot | 20:41 |
| paden | Right. | 20:41 |
| paden | Interesting. | 20:41 |
| L3gacy | can do more if you get 8087 to 7474 cables and a new SAS card | 20:41 |
| L3gacy | 8484* not 7474 | 20:42 |
| paden | Ah, ok. | 20:42 |
| paden | What's the upper limit with the cable? | 20:42 |
| L3gacy | 10tb a sled | 20:42 |
| paden | Ah, gotcha. | 20:43 |
| L3gacy | be back in a bit | 20:43 |
| L3gacy | # is 856 825 0404 | 20:43 |
| L3gacy | heading out for a sec | 20:43 |
| L3gacy | :) | 20:43 |
| L3gacy | so back :) | 22:16 |
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