[10:55] Morning peoples, critters and everything else [12:52] ahoy [15:19] I may be building a new linux server this week. Which ubuntu do I want? [15:20] Do I want desktop or server? I'm assuming it's like debian in that this is just to get me started, and then I can install whatever I want later on. [15:21] waltman: 16.04 Server [15:21] I'm thinking I'll go stock to start off with. If I decide I hate unity (or whatever the stock desktop is these days) and want to switch to, say, xubuntu, how hard is it to switch? [15:21] fairly easy [15:21] Nice [15:21] I have 17.04 desktop installed curently on my l;aptop [15:21] but I'm running i3 [15:21] what's i3? [15:22] installing a different desktop environment (i3, gnome3, kde, ...) just adds a menu entry to the login screen that lets you login with that option [15:22] i3 is a tiling window manager [15:22] ah [15:23] I've got a box that's at least 11 years old, and it's been running debian testing all this time. It's become a complete mess. [15:28] Over the weekend I tried to fix a relatively minor package dependency issue and created a major problem. [15:28] ha [15:28] I've got it stable, but at this point it's not worth trying to fix it. [15:29] Is ubuntu systemd now? [15:32] it is [15:40] That was one of the things that apt-get wanted to install for me on Saturday :) [15:40] Note to self: don't mix aptitude and apt-get. [15:40] waltman: ;-) [15:42] Another question -- how easy is it to upgrade to the next point release? That used to be a nightmare in red hat, and was a big reason why I was running debian-testing. [15:42] waltman: 2 weeks ago I took it from 16.04 (last LTS) through 17.04 (next release, coming out in April) in less than 2 hours? [15:42] But after 11 years I've got tons of package conflicts that are basically impossible to fix. [15:43] That seems like a long time. Did you run into any problems? [15:43] most of it was waiting on packages to download and u pdate [15:43] 17.04 is curently the daily build so lots of changes from 16.10 [15:44] nod [15:44] I've been afraid to update my linode from 12.04.5 for fear of breaking things. [15:45] I feel like if you'd just done upgrades as time went on you wouldn't need to have any fear.. [15:46] why not 12.04->14.04 before now? Unless your Linode is running something SO important you couldn't have any downtime at all [15:47] I have a complicated email setup that I didn't want to break. [15:48] Also it's working fine as it is, so I didn't see much benefit in upgrading. [15:49] Well, I wouldn't go 12.04->17.x or whatever the latest LTS is [15:49] I'd go to 14.04 [15:50] but.. I haven't used Ubuntu in awhile. Last I recall that was the recommendation though [15:50] Every time I login it reminds me that 14.04.1 is available :) [15:50] * jthan fortunately/unfortunately works in a redhat shop now [15:50] so if I did "do-release-upgrade", that's what I'd get [15:50] The upgrade process seems pretty sturdy though. I doubt of all the things to break your email would be the thing to go. [15:54] My other consideration is that when I set it up 4 years ago I used a 32-bit install, and I'd really like to have it be 64 bits. But that will require more work. [15:54] I think I need to spin up a new linode for that. [15:55] Tha was the recommendation of linode folks I talked to at some conferences. [18:32] Hai [18:32] \o [18:34] \o/ [18:35] wassup? I'm trying to offload a Dell PE 860 and a dell PE 2900 :) [18:35] I'm not local or I'd totally consider [18:35] :) [18:36] The 2900 has dual quad Xeons, 8GB, 250GB 720RPM, and a 146GB 15k :) [18:37] Rack servers? [18:37] Lol [18:37] L3gacy: i'd be interested [18:37] L3gacy: I'm interested as well. [18:37] 2900 is a tower server [18:37] You should totally give it to me over r00t^2. [18:37] L3gacy: make them fight to the death [18:38] With Pickup, I'm asking $775 for the PE2900 [18:38] .... [18:38] oops [18:38] $75 [18:38] lol [18:38] how much for the... [18:38] Specs? [18:38] bad keyboard! Bad! [18:38] paden: 11:36 < L3gacy> The 2900 has dual quad Xeons, 8GB, 250GB 720RPM, and a 146GB 15k :) [18:38] i was gonna say, 775 for a 2900 is a bit steep lol [18:38] Dual Quad Xeons, 2.33Ghz I believe, 8GB FB DDR2 ECC, 250GB 7200, 146GB 15k [18:39] I can install Linux of choice on it [18:39] i can handle installation. aftermarket fans? [18:39] those PE stocks are loud as heck [18:39] Stock, but you can mod and replace :) [18:39] gotcha. where y'at? [18:39] http://www.ratzblog.com/2014/08/reducing-dell-poweredge-pe-295029002800.html [18:40] Vineland, NJ [18:40] not bad at all [18:40] dual PSUs, too [18:40] 77A at 12v [18:40] yeah, i have a 2800; pretty familiar with the poweredge line [18:41] Those PSUs wont ring your bell as bad as my old Ampeg VT22 amp [18:41] 650v @ 2.5A DC [18:41] I got bit working on it... thrown across the room [18:41] paden: it's all yours, i don't think i'd have room in my rack [18:41] the 860 is here, too. 4GB ECC DDR2 80GB drive Core 2 Duo [18:42] Got pictures? [18:42] not atm [18:42] soon as I charge phone again [18:42] OK. [18:44] http://imgur.com/a/B7r4s I have the sleds and spacers [18:52] paden, ok? [18:53] L3gacy: he sometimes gets pretty busy at work and can't answer right away. just fyi :-p Also it's okay to verbally abuse him [18:53] lol [18:53] paden: You're bad [18:53] paden: at most things [19:29] I need tacos [19:29] same [20:11] L3gacy: Lemme think about it? [20:12] I might be able to swing it....Maybe. [20:18] okie :) [20:18] I'd jump if I were in PA [20:19] Dude. [20:19] You can't have my server. [20:19] I'd race you [20:19] ... [20:19] I'd win. [20:19] VROOM VROOM [20:19] I have the faster vehicle. [20:19] no you wouldn't. [20:20] no you don't. [20:20] Better gearing. [20:20] Yes I do. [20:20] Dude. [20:20] I'd hop in the 4Runner and toast your ass [20:20] Whatever. [20:23] lol [20:24] As a matter of fact, Paden, I'll do $50 if you pick it up. Summbeech is heavy, and I can't lift it due to diminished lung function [20:24] Asthma/COPD [20:24] Ah, gotcha. [20:25] Hmmm [20:26] What Xeons? [20:26] E series 5Ks [20:26] I can check on power up once I find a VGA cable [20:26] * L3gacy loks under couch [20:26] *looks, even [20:27] OOOH! Cheetos! [20:27] >.> [20:27] nom nom [20:28] L3gacy: does it have all the disk sleds? [20:28] jgq63g1 serial [20:28] looking now [20:28] 4 sleds [20:28] 4 sleds? [20:28] Hmmmm [20:29] That sounds like a pretty good deal. [20:30] E5405 2.00Ghz Quad Core 12MB cache Xeons [20:30] :) [20:31] Thanks. [20:31] Still has the server 2003 sticker :) [20:31] yw [20:32] Oh, nice. [20:32] 8GB tho :) [20:32] And my web server is being pulled offline in a week [20:32] ffs.. [20:32] Time to put my 860 back in service here [20:33] The ram isn't an issue. [20:33] cool beans [20:38] I also have a 146GB 15k for it [20:39] Yeah, I saw that. [20:39] SATA or SAS? [20:39] Or? [20:39] 146 SAS, 250 SATA [20:39] Interesting. [20:40] L3gacy: what size disks can it take? [20:40] brb [20:40] 2tv each [20:40] tb [20:41] Just 2TB? [20:41] per slot [20:41] Right. [20:41] Interesting. [20:41] can do more if you get 8087 to 7474 cables and a new SAS card [20:42] 8484* not 7474 [20:42] Ah, ok. [20:42] What's the upper limit with the cable? [20:42] 10tb a sled [20:43] Ah, gotcha. [20:43] be back in a bit [20:43] # is 856 825 0404 [20:43] heading out for a sec [20:43] :) [22:16] so back :)