[10:55] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[12:52] <icey> ahoy
[15:19] <waltman> I may be building a new linux server this week. Which ubuntu do I want?
[15:20] <waltman> Do I want desktop or server? I'm assuming it's like debian in that this is just to get me started, and then I can install whatever I want later on.
[15:21] <icey> waltman: 16.04 Server
[15:21] <waltman> I'm thinking I'll go stock to start off with. If I decide I hate unity (or whatever the stock desktop is these days) and want to switch to, say, xubuntu, how hard is it to switch?
[15:21] <icey> fairly easy
[15:21] <waltman> Nice
[15:21] <icey> I have 17.04 desktop installed curently on my l;aptop
[15:21] <icey> but I'm running i3
[15:21] <waltman> what's i3?
[15:22] <icey> installing a different desktop environment (i3, gnome3, kde, ...) just adds a menu entry to the login screen that lets you login with that option
[15:22] <icey> i3 is a tiling window manager
[15:22] <waltman> ah
[15:23] <waltman> I've got a box that's at least 11 years old, and it's been running debian testing all this time. It's become a complete mess.
[15:28] <waltman> Over the weekend I tried to fix a relatively minor package dependency issue and created a major problem.
[15:28] <icey> ha
[15:28] <waltman> I've got it stable, but at this point it's not worth trying to fix it.
[15:29] <waltman> Is ubuntu systemd now?
[15:32] <pleia2> it is
[15:40] <waltman> That was one of the things that apt-get wanted to install for me on Saturday :)
[15:40] <waltman> Note to self: don't mix aptitude and apt-get.
[15:40] <icey> waltman: ;-)
[15:42] <waltman> Another question -- how easy is it to upgrade to the next point release? That used to be a nightmare in red hat, and was a big reason why I was running debian-testing.
[15:42] <icey> waltman: 2 weeks ago I took it from 16.04 (last LTS) through 17.04 (next release, coming out in April) in less than 2 hours?
[15:42] <waltman> But after 11 years I've got tons of package conflicts that are basically impossible to fix.
[15:43] <waltman> That seems like a long time. Did you run into any problems?
[15:43] <icey> most of it was waiting on packages to download and u pdate
[15:43] <icey> 17.04 is curently the daily build so lots of changes from 16.10
[15:44] <waltman> nod
[15:44] <waltman> I've been afraid to update my linode from 12.04.5 for fear of breaking things.
[15:45] <jthan> I feel like if you'd just done upgrades as time went on you wouldn't need to have any fear..
[15:46] <jthan> why not 12.04->14.04 before now? Unless your Linode is running something SO important you couldn't have any downtime at all
[15:47] <waltman> I have a complicated email setup that I didn't want to break.
[15:48] <waltman> Also it's working fine as it is, so I didn't see much benefit in upgrading.
[15:49] <jthan> Well, I wouldn't go 12.04->17.x or whatever the latest LTS is
[15:49] <jthan> I'd go to 14.04
[15:50] <jthan> but.. I haven't used Ubuntu in awhile. Last I recall that was the recommendation though
[15:50] <waltman> Every time I login it reminds me that 14.04.1 is available :)
[15:50]  * jthan fortunately/unfortunately works in a redhat shop now 
[15:50] <waltman> so if I did "do-release-upgrade", that's what I'd get
[15:50] <jthan> The upgrade process seems pretty sturdy though. I doubt of all the things to break your email would be the thing to go.
[15:54] <waltman> My other consideration is that when I set it up 4 years ago I used a 32-bit install, and I'd really like to have it be 64 bits. But that will require more work.
[15:54] <waltman> I think I need to spin up a new linode for that.
[15:55] <waltman> Tha was the recommendation of linode folks I talked to at some conferences.
[18:32] <L3gacy> Hai
[18:32] <jthan> \o
[18:34] <L3gacy> \o/
[18:35] <L3gacy> wassup?  I'm trying to offload a Dell PE 860 and a dell PE 2900 :)
[18:35] <jthan> I'm not local or I'd totally consider
[18:35] <L3gacy> :)
[18:36] <L3gacy> The 2900 has dual quad Xeons, 8GB, 250GB 720RPM, and a 146GB 15k :)
[18:37] <paden> Rack servers?
[18:37] <jthan> Lol
[18:37] <r00t^2> L3gacy: i'd be interested
[18:37] <paden> L3gacy: I'm interested as well.
[18:37] <L3gacy> 2900 is a tower server
[18:37] <paden> You should totally give it to me over r00t^2.
[18:37] <jthan> L3gacy: make them fight to the death
[18:38] <L3gacy> With Pickup, I'm asking $775 for the PE2900
[18:38] <paden> ....
[18:38] <L3gacy> oops
[18:38] <L3gacy> $75
[18:38] <L3gacy> lol
[18:38] <paden> how much for the...
[18:38] <paden> Specs?
[18:38] <L3gacy> bad keyboard!  Bad!
[18:38] <jthan> paden: 11:36 < L3gacy> The 2900 has dual quad Xeons, 8GB, 250GB 720RPM, and a 146GB 15k :)
[18:38] <r00t^2> i was gonna say, 775 for a 2900 is a bit steep lol
[18:38] <L3gacy> Dual Quad Xeons, 2.33Ghz I believe, 8GB FB DDR2 ECC, 250GB 7200, 146GB 15k
[18:39] <L3gacy> I can install Linux of choice on it
[18:39] <r00t^2> i can handle installation. aftermarket fans?
[18:39] <r00t^2> those PE stocks are loud as heck
[18:39] <L3gacy> Stock, but you can mod and replace :)
[18:39] <r00t^2> gotcha. where y'at?
[18:39] <L3gacy> http://www.ratzblog.com/2014/08/reducing-dell-poweredge-pe-295029002800.html
[18:40] <L3gacy> Vineland, NJ
[18:40] <r00t^2> not bad at all
[18:40] <L3gacy> dual PSUs, too
[18:40] <L3gacy> 77A at 12v
[18:40] <r00t^2> yeah, i have a 2800; pretty familiar with the poweredge line
[18:41] <L3gacy> Those PSUs wont ring your bell as bad as my old Ampeg VT22 amp
[18:41] <L3gacy> 650v @ 2.5A DC
[18:41] <L3gacy> I got bit working on it... thrown across the room
[18:41] <r00t^2> paden: it's all yours, i don't think i'd have room in my rack
[18:41] <L3gacy> the 860 is here, too.  4GB ECC DDR2 80GB drive Core 2 Duo
[18:42] <paden> Got pictures?
[18:42] <L3gacy> not atm
[18:42] <L3gacy> soon as I charge phone again
[18:42] <paden> OK.
[18:44] <L3gacy> http://imgur.com/a/B7r4s  I have the sleds and spacers
[18:52] <L3gacy> paden, ok?
[18:53] <jthan> L3gacy: he sometimes gets pretty busy at work and can't answer right away. just fyi :-p Also it's okay to verbally abuse him
[18:53] <L3gacy> lol
[18:53] <jthan> paden: You're bad
[18:53] <jthan> paden: at most things
[19:29] <L3gacy> I need tacos
[19:29] <jthan> same
[20:11] <paden> L3gacy: Lemme think about it?
[20:12] <paden> I might be able to swing it....Maybe.
[20:18] <L3gacy> okie :)
[20:18] <jthan> I'd jump if I were in PA
[20:19] <paden> Dude.
[20:19] <paden> You can't have my server.
[20:19] <jthan> I'd race you
[20:19] <paden> ...
[20:19] <paden> I'd win.
[20:19] <jthan> VROOM VROOM
[20:19] <paden> I have the faster vehicle.
[20:19] <jthan> no you wouldn't.
[20:20] <jthan> no you don't.
[20:20] <paden> Better gearing.
[20:20] <paden> Yes I do.
[20:20] <jthan> Dude.
[20:20] <jthan> I'd hop in the 4Runner and toast your ass
[20:20] <paden> Whatever.
[20:23] <L3gacy> lol
[20:24] <L3gacy> As a matter of fact, Paden, I'll do $50 if you pick it up.  Summbeech is heavy, and I can't lift it due to diminished lung function
[20:24] <L3gacy> Asthma/COPD
[20:24] <paden> Ah, gotcha.
[20:25] <paden> Hmmm
[20:26] <paden> What Xeons?
[20:26] <L3gacy> E series 5Ks
[20:26] <L3gacy> I can check on power up once I find a VGA cable
[20:26]  * L3gacy loks under couch
[20:26] <L3gacy> *looks, even
[20:27] <L3gacy> OOOH!  Cheetos!
[20:27] <L3gacy> >.>
[20:27] <waltman> nom nom
[20:28] <paden> L3gacy: does it have all the disk sleds?
[20:28] <L3gacy> jgq63g1 serial
[20:28] <L3gacy> looking now
[20:28] <L3gacy> 4 sleds
[20:28] <paden> 4 sleds?
[20:28] <paden> Hmmmm
[20:29] <paden> That sounds like a pretty good deal.
[20:30] <L3gacy> E5405 2.00Ghz Quad Core 12MB cache Xeons
[20:30] <L3gacy> :)
[20:31] <paden> Thanks.
[20:31] <L3gacy> Still has the server 2003 sticker :)
[20:31] <L3gacy> yw
[20:32] <paden> Oh, nice.
[20:32] <L3gacy> 8GB tho :)
[20:32] <L3gacy> And my web server is being pulled offline in a week
[20:32] <L3gacy> ffs..
[20:32] <L3gacy> Time to put my 860 back in service here
[20:33] <paden> The ram isn't an issue.
[20:33] <L3gacy> cool beans
[20:38] <L3gacy> I also have a 146GB 15k for it
[20:39] <paden> Yeah, I saw that.
[20:39] <paden> SATA or SAS?
[20:39] <paden> Or?
[20:39] <L3gacy> 146 SAS, 250 SATA
[20:39] <paden> Interesting.
[20:40] <icey> L3gacy: what size disks can it take?
[20:40] <L3gacy> brb
[20:40] <L3gacy> 2tv each
[20:40] <L3gacy> tb
[20:41] <paden> Just 2TB?
[20:41] <L3gacy> per slot
[20:41] <paden> Right.
[20:41] <paden> Interesting.
[20:41] <L3gacy> can  do more if you get 8087 to 7474 cables and a new SAS card
[20:42] <L3gacy> 8484* not 7474
[20:42] <paden> Ah, ok.
[20:42] <paden> What's the upper limit with the cable?
[20:42] <L3gacy> 10tb a sled
[20:43] <paden> Ah, gotcha.
[20:43] <L3gacy> be back in a bit
[20:43] <L3gacy> # is 856 825 0404
[20:43] <L3gacy> heading out for a sec
[20:43] <L3gacy> :)
[22:16] <L3gacy> so back :)