[02:29] <FXpro> anyone in here?
[02:37] <OvenWerks> sort of, questions?
[02:54] <FXpro> yes kz earbuds.  any ideas on this brand?
[02:58] <OvenWerks> what do you expect from them? I don't use ear buds at all as I find them uncomfortable and have poor sound.
[02:58] <OvenWerks> So anything I have to say is probably not much use.
[02:58] <FXpro> knowledge zenith is the name of the company.  suppose to be premium budget headphones that out perform many others at much higher price points.
[02:58] <cfhowlett> ?  ask a hardware channel?  seems a bit OT here ...
[02:58] <FXpro> where can I ask?
[02:59] <cfhowlett> google?
[03:01] <FXpro> I am looking for 2nd opinions.  I looked into it a bit.  now i wanted to follow up on irc and see what I can find out.
[03:02] <cfhowlett> and again: this is ubuntustudio support.
[03:02] <cfhowlett> I seriously doubt that music producer uses earbuds in their workflow.
[03:03] <FXpro> performers and producers do on stage and off
[03:03] <OvenWerks> akg headphones are good though
[03:04] <FXpro> but the preference is real headphones of course.
[03:04] <FXpro> I like akg
[03:04] <OvenWerks> do you mean in ear monitors then?
[03:04] <FXpro> better than senheiser actually.  the last set of senheiser studio head phones I had fell apart some how.
[03:04] <FXpro> yes.
[03:05] <OvenWerks> in my mind, earbuds and inear monitors are a logn ways apart, sorry.
[03:05] <cfhowlett> agreed ^^^
[03:05] <FXpro> yes and I agree but I need compact for international travel.
[03:06] <cfhowlett> off topic here.  google "earbud recommendations"
[03:06] <cfhowlett> or "travel earbuds"
[03:06] <FXpro> this last run I just did over seas, 2 pairs got lost in the mix and 2 more pairs fell apart or got destroyed so all my good earphones are gone.  I need new ones.
[03:07] <OvenWerks> You might ask on the Linux Audio User Mailing list, but I would make sure to say you were using them as inear monitors
[03:07] <FXpro> is there a channel for that or?
[03:07] <OvenWerks> It would be off topic there too, but there are a number of people on there who do live audio work profesionally.
[03:08] <FXpro> excellent.  where do I find these people here on freenode?
[03:08] <OvenWerks> A lot of them do not do IRC at all.
[03:09] <FXpro> ehhh, why not.  realtime chat is the tits when you need to inquire about things like this for example.
[03:09] <OvenWerks> No idea, personal preference I guess.
[03:09] <FXpro> ubuntu studio is pretty slick btw.
[03:10] <cfhowlett> or you could go to your local guitar center and ask for recommendations.  real-time, real-life and F2F
[03:10] <FXpro> I would prefer to run it off a memory stick though for now.  my hard drive is all hogged up with stuff.
[03:10] <OvenWerks> I am glad you like it.
[03:11] <FXpro> I have 64gb memory sticks.  I can do ubuntu studio off a memory chip live without sacrificing too much right?
[03:11] <FXpro> the other computer I was testing it on is too slow and its broken right now.
[03:12] <OvenWerks> It depends on the RAM size to some extent and what kind of audio you are doing.
[03:12] <FXpro> how much space is required for it?
[03:12] <FXpro> not 64gb I am sure.
[03:12] <cfhowlett> running from ram is always slower than a HDD install.  once your start firing up ram intenseive apps, it will slow even more.
[03:12] <OvenWerks> recording a number of tracks to "disk" may fail.
[03:12] <FXpro> more like 4gb I am guessing.  its been a while.
[03:13] <OvenWerks> basically the whole song needs to fit in ram, so 10MB per minute, per track
[03:14] <OvenWerks> About
[03:14] <OvenWerks> (assuming 16bit audio at 48K
[03:14] <OvenWerks> Most recording is done as 32 bit floats.
[03:15] <OvenWerks> So double the space.
[03:17] <FXpro> I would guess a discounted gaming computer with ssd and lots of ram is the best idea which I am getting that next.  probably one of those razer blade laptops next.
[03:17] <OvenWerks> in general laptops are slow.
[03:18] <FXpro> what do you think of this one for a/v - http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade-stealth
[03:18] <FXpro> pretty damn slick laptops the razer people have
[03:19] <OvenWerks> It is only two cores... kind of an i3 dressed up as an i7... (in my opinion) I would take a 4 core i5 if I could get that.
[03:20] <OvenWerks> hyperthreading and boost/Turbo are of little use for serious audio.
[03:21] <OvenWerks> (I turn them off in fact)
[03:22] <FXpro> its still a slick laptop
[03:22] <FXpro> very usable for my needs.
[03:30] <FXpro> this one is quadcore - http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade
[03:30] <FXpro> ficken 1799 though geeez...  expensive
[03:39] <OvenWerks> Thats better. I am not so sure of the video... it would be good for things that require video, but for everyday use in Linux, I would go intel which has open drivers and generally just suports Linux. nvidia is a goodsecond in that, they at least supply drivers, but closed.
[03:41] <OvenWerks> Most people stay way from AMD as having the worst Linux support
[03:41] <cfhowlett> agreed!  ^^^
[04:19] <FXpro> intel still wins ever since they robbed dec and had to pay them off for it
[04:57] <OvenWerks> dec is gone...
[05:41] <studio-user752> I wonder if someone here can help me with a problem I just encountered using Ubuntu Studio. I tried to add a menu item using "Menu Editor" under settings and now Whisker Menu only shows a fraction of my available programs, like it reverted to an Ubuntu standard menu file instead of the Ubuntu Studio list. If I use the search function at the top of the menu and search "gimp" I get no results, but I can run it and get gimp.
[05:46] <OvenWerks> studio-user752: Ya, that menu editor is bad.
[05:46] <cfhowlett> OvenWerks, looking for the whisker menu editor and don't see it ...
[05:47] <OvenWerks> cfhowlett: try accessories
[05:47] <OvenWerks> studio-user752: in a terminal try:
[05:48] <OvenWerks> ls .config/menus/
[05:48] <OvenWerks> it should be empty, but I think that is where libremenu puts it's over ride
[05:49] <OvenWerks> studio-user752: There are no known working 100% menu editors... besides manually.
[05:51] <OvenWerks> alacart is the best one out there besides the one kde comes with, but it is kde only I think.
[05:52] <OvenWerks> (the kde one is kde only, alacart is generic-ish)
[05:54] <studio-user752> .config/menus/ contains the file: xfce-applications.menu
[05:55] <OvenWerks> studio-user752: if you delete that, the menu should revert. You can mv it to  xfce-applications.unem to disable it.
[05:56] <studio-user752> Wow, that did the trick
[05:56] <OvenWerks> (ie rename it if you don't want to loose it)
[05:56] <studio-user752> Thanks OvenWerks!
[05:56] <OvenWerks> Ya, I creaed the studio menu... I learned the hard way
[05:56] <OvenWerks> *created
[05:57] <studio-user752> Is there another way to edit the menu?
[05:57] <OvenWerks> yes... it is not easy and requires knowing how the files work.
[05:58] <studio-user752> never mind then, I'll run from a terminal when I need to
[05:59] <OvenWerks> if you look at /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/studio.menu
[06:00] <OvenWerks> it will give some hints. you can put the same kind of thing into ~/.config/menus
[06:00] <OvenWerks> what are you missing?
[06:01] <OvenWerks> if you are trying to start a program from the menu that isn't there, creating a desktop file for it and adding that to ~/.local/share/applications/
[06:01] <OvenWerks> should do it.
[06:01] <studio-user752> ok
[06:03] <OvenWerks> depending on the categories you add it will be added to different places. (Audio or muti-media for example for audio.)
[06:03] <OvenWerks> I am going to have to run, be back tomorrow.
[06:04] <studio-user752> thanks again for the help
[18:21] <Jinx-IT> Anyone here have experience with RME hammerfall channels coming up wrong?
[18:22] <Jinx-IT> i verified in ardour and audacity that it happens.
[20:11] <Jinx-IT> anyone ever seen ardour inputs one off and only working on even channels?
[20:18] <OvenWerks> Jinx-IT: I have not, but I have very few audio interfaces, mostly PCI plus one USB 1.1
[20:19] <Jinx-IT> it's weird...outputs work fine.  i have an older rme hammerfall with 3 ADA8000 units connected.
[20:20] <Jinx-IT> it all worked on a version of Ubuntu Studio that was about 4 years old, but i decided i should wipe and get the latest and greatest...
[20:20] <Jinx-IT> i also fired up audacity and found that the channels are off there as well.
[20:21] <Jinx-IT> now, when i connect channels 1-24, only the EVEN physical inputs work, but appear on the next ODD input down...so 8 goes to 7, etc.
[20:22] <Jinx-IT> i am running the x64 build...maybe i should install the x86 build