[06:50] <pitti> Good morning
[06:56] <TheMuso> Hey pitti. :)
[06:58] <pitti> hey TheMuso, how are you?
[07:46] <TheMuso> pitti: Not too bad thanks, sorry to see you go, but change is not a bad thing.
[07:46] <pitti> TheMuso: right, and I just feel it's necessary now
[07:50] <TheMuso> pitti: Yeah I totally understand.
[08:05] <Sweet5hark> moin
[08:09] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:09] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark TheMuso pitti
[08:09] <pitti> bonjour seb128, moin moin Sweet5hark!
[08:11] <Sweet5hark> seb128, pitti, TheMuso: heya, gang. looking out the window right now, seeing it probably cold af. not daring to open anything.
[08:11] <seb128> hehe, it's -3°C here, starts feeling like winter!
[08:12] <pitti> Sweet5hark: I did open the window this morning for a few mins, ccccccoolllld!!
[08:12] <pitti> yeah, -3 here too
[08:12]  * seb128 moves a bit closer to the heater
[08:12] <pitti> you know, this has to end -- I'll spontaneously fly to, say, Sevilla next week!!
[08:12] <pitti> oh wait, I already do, how nice :)
[08:13] <Sweet5hark> -6.5 degree celsius here right now according to the interwebs.
[08:13] <seb128> cooold
[08:13] <seb128> pitti, holidays?
[08:14] <pitti> seb128: yeah, a week of beer drinking; and I invited aaaaall my friends from foundations, CPC, etc. :)
[08:14]  * Sweet5hark is congratulating himself to move to a new appartment that is almost a passive house (KfW70 standard) a month ago.
[08:14] <seb128> lol, that sort of week, I see ;-à
[08:14] <seb128> ;-)
[08:14] <pitti> nice opportunity to say good bye and dump some of my stuff into some other laps
[08:15] <seb128> then you tell people that you are going for "work" right? ;-)
[08:15] <pitti> Sweet5hark: nice! Lueftung und Waermetauscher?
[08:15] <seb128> Sweet5hark, nice
[08:15] <pitti> Sweet5hark: I never use the heating in my office either, but I'm just leeching heat from excessive heating from my neighbor
[08:15] <pitti> (I suppose -- it never really gets cold in here)
[08:16] <pitti> Sweet5hark: but we have such a modern flat in Dresden, and the heating cost is laughable indeed
[08:17] <Sweet5hark> pitti: floor heating and excellent isolated windows. the proper thing to do would be to do a stosslueftung ~now for 5 minutes. Im not ready yet.
[08:17] <pitti> Sweet5hark: open window, brush teeth, close window, go to kitchen to grab breakfast, all good :)
[08:18] <Sweet5hark> alright
[09:01] <willcooke> goodly moreload
[09:02] <seb128> incoming batch of u.k desktopers!
[09:02] <flexiondotorg> Good day
[09:02] <willcooke> :)
[09:02] <seb128> hey willcooke flexiondotorg Laney
[09:02] <flexiondotorg> seb128, o/
[09:03] <flexiondotorg> pitti, Sweet5hark Morning
[09:04] <Laney> hey ;-)()()()(
[09:05] <flexiondotorg> Laney, Morning
[09:05] <pitti> OMG, not a double but a quadruple chin!
[09:05] <pitti> hey Laney
[09:07] <Laney> hey flexiondotorg, aloha pitti, moin seb128
[09:07] <Laney> how's it going?
[09:08] <flexiondotorg> Not bad.
[09:08] <seb128> brrrrr
[09:08] <seb128> but good otherwise
[09:08]  * Laney can see the frost line on the roofs behind is following the sun
[09:08] <flexiondotorg> Tonight I'm going to the first BaDhack, which I'm looking forward to :-)
[09:09] <Laney> sounds BaDass
[09:10] <flexiondotorg> Hope so :-)
[09:10] <flexiondotorg> Hopefully the beginning of a markerspace/hackspace in my local community.
[10:31] <Trevinho> uff, new google test broke unity again... wondering why there's no autopkgtest for these things
[10:39] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, how are you? feel free to contribute one of those :-)
[10:39] <Trevinho> seb128: hey, all good... you?
[10:39] <seb128> I'm good
[10:39] <seb128> I'm playing with the snappy content sharing / gtk
[10:40] <seb128> if you want to use the yakkety gtk on xenial looks like you need to bundle libc as well :-/
[10:40] <Trevinho> seb128: ah, good... That content sharing looks something nice!
[10:41] <Trevinho> seb128: oh, really? different ABI?
[10:41] <seb128> yeah
[10:41] <Trevinho> seb128: shouldn't be ubuntu-core base always the same?
[10:41] <seb128> it is
[10:41] <seb128> but gtk brings in mir
[10:41] <Trevinho> ah, right
[10:42] <seb128> or libmircommon seems to want GLIBCXX_3.4.22 symbol
[10:42] <seb128> which isn't in the xenial core
[10:43] <seb128> oh well, let's start with sharing the xenial gtk
[10:44] <seb128> that makes snaps smaller and work on the current  ubuntu-core version
[10:44] <seb128> then we can look at having an updated stack and bundle more if needed
[10:44] <seb128> but before that needs to go for some errands and lunch
[10:45] <seb128> bbl
[10:45] <Trevinho> yeah, fair enough
[10:45] <Trevinho> seb128: is that covering also all the launching stuff?
[10:46] <seb128> you mean? we already have a desktop-launcher shared part
[10:46] <seb128> but no, just including content for now
[10:47] <seb128> need to work with Didier then on updating the launcher if tweaks are needed (which is likely going to be the case for paths at least)
[10:47] <seb128> but that's for later
[10:47] <didrocks> you will need tweaks, I'msure :)
[10:47] <didrocks> enjoy your lunch!
[10:58] <Laney> snap snap snapppp
[11:07] <Laney> seb128: can you remove xbmc-eventclients-j2me/zesty-proposed (NBS) and python-fitsio python3-fitsio/zesty (FTBFS, no rdeps) please?
[11:08]  * Laney is trying to push through a big transition
[11:08] <Laney> massive autopkgtest queue doesn't help
[12:47] <Laney> meheheh
[12:59] <seb128> Laney, let me have a look
[12:59] <Laney> smoochies
[13:02] <seb128> those are binaries?
[13:02] <Laney> yep
[13:04] <seb128> Laney, does it make sense to remove python-fitsio python3-fitsio binaries and not the source?
[13:05] <Laney> seb128: those are arch specific binaries
[13:06] <seb128> hum?
[13:06] <seb128> you didn't mention archs
[13:06] <Laney> oops
[13:06] <seb128> do you want only the armhf binaries to be removed?
[13:06] <Laney> /armhf
[13:06] <seb128> k
[13:06] <seb128> now that makes more sense
[13:06] <Laney> yeah it only fails there
[13:07] <seb128> right, I was just trying to make sense of the request, now I understand
[13:07] <seb128> thanks
[13:09] <seb128> Laney, kodi ftfbs on powerpc unsure if that's going to get in your way but mentioning it
[13:10] <seb128> e.g deleting xbmc-eventclients-j2me isn't going to be enough to have it a valid candidate
[13:10] <Laney> might do, want to see how it looks after this
[13:10] <seb128> k
[13:11] <Laney> britney is only complaining about that pkg
[13:11] <Laney> i guess it will change to a different one once that is gone
[13:11] <seb128> no
[13:11] <Laney> yes
[13:11] <Laney> missing build on powerpc: xbmc-eventclients-j2me (from 17.0~beta5+dfsg1-1)
[13:12] <seb128> oh, sorry, I saw the message was different but had already close the page
[13:12] <Laney> it says missing build instead of old binaries left
[13:12] <seb128> right you are
[13:12] <seb128> :-)
[13:13] <seb128> let's see after the next iteration then!
[13:14] <Laney> if kodi is still busted then it has no rdeps anyway
[13:14] <Laney> ;-)
[13:15] <seb128> k, next we might delete the ppc build from zesty ;-)
[13:18]  * Laney mehs
[13:18] <Laney> stupid broken tests
[15:09] <tjaalton> Laney: gtk+? :)
[15:09] <tjaalton> looks like it's holding up mesa
[15:28]  * willcooke warms up his copy & paste keys
[15:29] <Laney> tjaalton: no, dbus-test-runner
[15:30] <willcooke> dingaling meeting time
[15:30] <Sweet5hark> aye
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting 2016-11-29
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov 29 15:30:40 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong, flexiondotorg, happyaron (out), hikiko (out), laney, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:30] <willcooke> Hi everyone!
[15:30] <andyrock> Hey
[15:31] <flexiondotorg> Hiya!
[15:31] <qengho> Hi hi!
[15:31] <FJKong> hi
[15:31] <Trevinho> hello
[15:31] <hikiko> hi:) +bye!
[15:32] <willcooke> have a good evening hikiko
[15:33] <willcooke> Right, since andyrock is here, let's get started
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:33] <andyrock> 1. Windows list in the unity8 quicklists
[15:33] <andyrock> 2. Updated some unity7 and unity8 old branches
[15:34] <andyrock> 3. Reviews (Marco's branches and the high dpi one)
[15:34] <andyrock> 4.taxes XD
[15:34] <andyrock> Eow
[15:34] <willcooke> :) thanks andyrock, and thanks for looking at the hidpi branch
[15:34] <flexiondotorg> andyrock, What was the outcome of the HiDPI review?
[15:34] <andyrock> I approved it
[15:35] <andyrock> It works fine
[15:35] <flexiondotorg> Perfect!
[15:35] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, it will find it's way in to backports via Trevinho at some point soonish
[15:35] <desrt> ((Sorry... my network connection chose this exact moment to start acting up.  Come back after?))
[15:35] <willcooke> desrt, ack np
[15:35] <andyrock> And the logic is mostly copied from gnome settings
[15:35] <andyrock> So should be fine
[15:35] <flexiondotorg> Thanks, andyrock. You'll see why I'm interested in a bit...
[15:36] <willcooke> :))
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:36] <attente> hey
[15:36] <attente> currently fixing the mir backend upstream, it's kind of in a broken state due to api changes for gtk 4
[15:36] <attente> attempted fixing the jhbuild snapcraft plugin on github-ci, but not sure how to proceed because the integration test requires network access...
[15:36] <attente> also blocked on build breakage in content-hub due to the gtest regressions
[15:37] <Laney> doesn't continuous build with mir enabled?
[15:37] <desrt> (working again)
[15:37] <attente> it doesn't seem so
[15:38] <attente> the build is working now, but trying to run a gtk app with the mir backend just crashes outright
[15:39] <willcooke> attente/laney ok follow up after the meeting?
[15:39] <Laney> just a question, nothing further
[15:39] <willcooke> oki, thanks
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:40] <desrt> still working on dconf proxy
[15:40] <desrt> got to the point where the proxy detects confined apps, looks up their "allowed" paths, compares this with admin lockdown, and computes a list of keys that they can see, and pushes it into the sandbox via the shared xdg path
[15:40] <desrt> change notification is next, i guess
[15:41] <desrt> but i need to clean things up a bit more
[15:41] <desrt> that's all
[15:41] <willcooke> thanks desrt
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:41] <dgadomski> hey
[15:41] <dgadomski> * back to working on bug #1550983 and bug #1598183
[15:41] <ubot5`> bug 1550983 in virt-manager (Ubuntu) "Fails to start with "Couldn't open libGL.so.1" (missing dependency?)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1550983
[15:41] <ubot5`> bug 1598183 in gvfs "Operation not permitted while writing to symlinked fuse locations" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1598183
[15:41] <dgadomski> * tried to work on bug #1589401, but in my team stopped experiencing it. Let's see how long that lasts
[15:41] <ubot5`> bug 1589401 in NetworkManager "cannot view wifi networks after re-enabling wifi" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1589401
[15:41] <dgadomski> eof
[15:41] <willcooke> good stuff, thanks dgadomski.
[15:42] <dgadomski> thanks
[15:42] <willcooke> Speak to happyaron about #1589401 if needed
[15:42] <dgadomski> ok, cool
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:42] <FJKong> hi
[15:42] <FJKong> bug fixing:
[15:42] <FJKong> #898847 grig package has no .desktop file
[15:42] <FJKong> #1587984 Gnome Software catalog entry missing for Grig
[15:42] <FJKong> #1591112 Gnome Software catalog entry missing for Qtel
[15:42] <FJKong> #1634226 Gnome Software catalog entry missing for D-rats
[15:42] <FJKong> simple ones
[15:42] <FJKong> firefox bug not finished yet
[15:42] <FJKong> eof
[15:43] <willcooke> cool, thanks FJKong
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic flexiondotorg
[15:43] <flexiondotorg> Hi
[15:43] <flexiondotorg> · Contributed to the UbuCon Europe Trip Report.
[15:43] <flexiondotorg> · Researched this weeks candidates for the Snap Upstream Blitz and updated Trello.
[15:43] <flexiondotorg> · Read the Ubuntu Core 16 Specification for Classic Confinement.
[15:43] <flexiondotorg> · Direct contact with HexChat, Mumble, Flowblade, ocenaudio, Gmvault and ZNC.
[15:43] <flexiondotorg> · Provided assistance for the uGet, ZNC, Mumble, ZNC and HexChat teams on their road to snaps.
[15:43] <flexiondotorg> · HexChat upstream now publishing in the Snap store stable channel.
[15:44] <flexiondotorg> · Joined the Patch Pilots.
[15:44] <flexiondotorg> · Reviewed "HiDPI Improvements" document from Ryan, David and Cassidy at System 76. Have a call with them tomorrow afternoon to discuss their plans and explain how they can contribute improvements.
[15:44] <flexiondotorg> · Filed bug and assisted with improving the system-observe interface.
[15:44] <flexiondotorg> · Testing the new Terminal.
[15:44] <flexiondotorg> 🎬
[15:44] <willcooke> nothing else?
[15:44] <willcooke> ;)
[15:44] <willcooke> thanks flexiondotorg
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:44] <willcooke> 1. back from holidays, yay for getting some new lifelong immunity.
[15:44] <willcooke> 2. network-manager 1.4.2 lands in zesty
[15:44] <willcooke> 3. fcitx SRU for xenial
[15:44] <willcooke> 4. opencc SRU for yakkety
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:45] <willcooke> * Unity/Compiz: added Low gfx option in ucc, and a u7 specific gsetting,
[15:45] <willcooke> added the necessary checks to see if the new or old low gfx is used, I
[15:45] <willcooke> still need to add some code to load the profile dynamically (in progress)
[15:45] <willcooke> * Chromium: set up the environment following the development guidelines,
[15:45] <willcooke> added a mir platform in ozone, configured ninja to build that platform
[15:45] <willcooke> along with the others (still studying ninja though I have to accelerate
[15:45] <willcooke> the build somehow and fix some issues I had). Also, looked at the other
[15:45] <willcooke> platforms code to understand how the ozone works and how to add the mir
[15:45] <willcooke> code and dependencies.
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:45] <Laney> • Short week, was off Friday
[15:45] <Laney> • Finish off migrating to the new appstream-generator, now deployed, seems to be doing ok
[15:45] <Laney> • Push forward a big combined transition in z-proposed - lots of rebuilds, delayed by the big test queue backlog
[15:45] <Laney> • z-proposed autopkgtest fixes and investigation for various issues
[15:45] <Laney> • Rebase gst-good SRU after trumped by security update (second one after -bad last week)
[15:46] <Laney> • fwd new version of overlayfs-trash patch to upstream bug, upload to unstable/experimental/zesty/yakkety/xenial
[15:46] <Laney> ✰
[15:46] <willcooke> thanks a lot Laney
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:46] <qengho> * two days holiday. so nice.
[15:46] <qengho> * in-progress: chromium 54 builds on all supported arch, but still sometimes SEGVs in blink code. Consulting upstream.
[15:46] <qengho> * to-do: browser test snap to use xdg-open bridge to outside snap.
[15:46] <qengho> EOF
[15:46] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:47] <seb128> • had friday off-work
[15:47] <seb128> • some archive admin work (reviews, deleted some binaries for transitions)
[15:47] <seb128> • otherwise most of the week was snappy focussed
[15:47] <seb128> ∘ catching up with ongoing/work discussions
[15:47] <seb128> ∘ helped with some debugging
[15:47] <seb128> ∘ started testing the content sharing interface and iterating on the gtk platform snap example, hit some issues trying to use the yakkety gtk stack on xenial so decided to change and start sharing xenial gtk on xenial and deal with the cross-version issues later

[15:47] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - pushed gbuild-to-ide/gbuildtojson fixes: building LibreOffice from kdevelop, Eclipse, Vim/YouCompleteMe, XCode, qtcreator, visual studio with autogenerated project solutions should work again and be more reliable and fastter (and have tests)
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - some upstream refactoring of (killing some SwModify)
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - various changes to get 5.3 beta to build as a snap: configure flags, updated patch queue (ongoing)
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> - various admin bits: filed travel stuff etc.
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:48] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:48] <willcooke> * Tried reproducing bug 1641954 without any luck, the reporter is working through with me to see if I've missed anything during my testing.
[15:48] <willcooke> * More research on implementing input event processing for assistive technologies. I think the best approach is to start a discussion involving all steakholders, i.e shell/compositor developers for GNOME and KDE as well as the unity 8 folks, explain what we have now, and why we need to implement something, and brainstorm a solution thats cross desktop environment. I'm looking to get that discussion going in the next day or so.
[15:48] <willcooke> * Started working on a plan to migrate various pieces of software that use espeak over to using the espeak-ng fork, which is actively maintained. Well, all software that is in main at least, which is not much. Debian has already made the transition, so it is a matter of filing a MIR for espeak-ng and adjusting packages appropriately.
[15:48] <ubot5`> bug 1641954 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "Output switches from HDMI speakers to internal speakers on DPMS off" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1641954
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:48] <willcooke> - cups-filters: Created "driverless" utility which makes CUPS auto-detect printers designed for driverless use (IPP Everywhere, AirPrint), so that one can set them up with legacy printer setup tools and the correct PPDs get auto-generated.
[15:48] <willcooke> - cups-filters: Use CUPS' new Apple Raster support for accepting Apple Raster as input format (improve CUPS' emulation of an AirPrint printer so that Iphones can print on Ubuntu CUPS server). Before there was a half-baked filter based on reverse-engineering.
[15:48] <willcooke> - cups-filters: Released 1.12.0 with most of the new driverless printing stuff.
[15:48] <willcooke> - cups-filters: Created a test setup and sent appropriate instructions to Aveek Basu from Lexmark. Now he is testing Lexmark's printers.
[15:48] <willcooke> - Common Print Dialog: More chat with Aveek Basu about how GSoC students can help us. He wants to find the students for us.
[15:48] <willcooke> - IPP Everywhere: SRU to make Yakkety correctly support IPP Everywhere printers is in -updates now.
[15:48] <willcooke> - Bugs.
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:49] <Trevinho> · Fixed snapcraft parser to support wiki parts with remote parts
[15:49] <Trevinho> · Added support to origin-{branch,commit,tag} in snapcraft remote parts
[15:49] <Trevinho> · Fixed snapcraft infinite copy-loop when snapcraft dir is a sub-sub src folder
[15:49] <Trevinho> · Proposed some upstream patches to Telegram to properly support appindicator
[15:49] <Trevinho> · Reviews for unity-settings-components, and some refactor of the Ethernet item
[15:49] <Trevinho> · Fixed an unity7 crash on lockscreen with a touch display
[15:49] <Trevinho> · Fixed compilation of unity7 with gtest 1.8
[15:49] <Trevinho> · Fixed an appmenu-qt5 crash when it's used outside X11.
[15:49] <Trevinho> ... EOF
[15:49] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[15:49] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:49] <willcooke> ings-components, and some refactor of the Ethernet item
 · Fixed an unity7 crash on lockscreen with a touch display
 · Fixed compilation of unity7 with gtest 1.8
 · Fixed an appmenu-qt5 crash when it's used outside X11.
 ... EOF
[15:49] <willcooke> err
[15:49] <willcooke> wat
[15:50] <willcooke> try again...
[15:50] <willcooke> - GNOME Software SRUs
[15:50] <willcooke> - LightDM 1.21.1 released
[15:50] <willcooke> - Simple Scan 2.23.2 released
[15:50] <willcooke> - Working on LightDM / Unity 8 system snap
[15:50] <willcooke> thats better
[15:50] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[15:50] <willcooke> Anyone got any topics they want to raise?
[15:50] <willcooke> Going in 10....
[15:51] <willcooke> I'll be in the office Thursday this week if anyone wants anything sorting
[15:51] <willcooke> Should be around for 1:1s in the afternoon, but not in the morning.  Will update those affected
[15:51] <willcooke> If there's nothing else, let's wrap
[15:51] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:51] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov 29 15:51:55 2016 UTC.
[15:51] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-11-29-15.30.moin.txt
[15:51] <willcooke> Thank you all
[15:52] <seb128> thanks!
[15:52]  * Sweet5hark cant help find irony in the fact that chromium builds are delayed because of blink code (which started as joke originally).
[15:52] <Sweet5hark> thanks all.
[16:08] <qengho> Sweet5hark: It's not the funny kind of irony.
[16:08]  * qengho brb
[16:09] <Sweet5hark> qengho: the funny kind of irony was sold out in 2015. from 2016 on we will have to live exclusively with the nonfunny variant.
[16:10] <Sweet5hark> (or adapt our concept of humor)
[16:45] <Laney> seb128: ok, please kill kodi ;-)
[16:45] <Laney> wait
[16:45] <seb128> Laney, :-)
[16:45] <Laney> NO
[16:45] <seb128> just on powerpc?
[16:45] <Laney> it migrated
[16:45] <seb128> K
[16:45] <seb128> great
[16:45] <Laney> how did that happen?????????
[16:45] <seb128> tradeoff
[16:45] <seb128> something else in the universe got wrong
[16:45] <Laney> I was looking at some kodi-whatever thing
[16:46]  * Laney checks logs
[16:46] <seb128> got->went
[16:52] <Laney> the hand of god migrated it
[16:52]  * Laney checks the rest
[16:58]  * Laney cries
[16:58] <Laney> there's another transition involved
[17:06] <seb128> Laney, :--
[17:06] <seb128> :-(
[17:06] <seb128> so it didn't went it?
[17:06] <Laney> it wasn't going to anyway because of waiting for tests
[17:06] <Laney> but might have been ready for after that
[17:23]  * Laney builds the 9999 packages
[17:40] <flocculant> good job it's not balloons you're blowing up then
[17:59] <Laney> going to let that grind
[17:59] <Laney> laters
[18:26] <willcooke> night all