[02:12] <mapps> hi
[09:19] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Tuesday, and happy Electronic Greetings Day! 😁
[09:24] <phablet> omarly
[09:25] <phablet> first time w b m 10
[09:26] <phablet> bq  m10
[09:29] <diplo> Morning all
[09:30] <foobarry> wave
[09:38] <diplo> Hows you foobarry ? Any luck on the job hunt? Sure you were looking at some point recently
[09:51] <foobarry> i flip between looking and not looking
[09:51] <foobarry> i think i'm a bit fussy basedon location and job spec
[09:51] <foobarry> i occasionally become less fussy depending on circumstances/annoyances at work
[09:52] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:55] <popey> foobarry: you want a spherical lunar device atop a narrow wooden pole?
[10:11] <foobarry> don't we all?
[12:02] <foobarry> my raspi official 2A charger doesn't charge my tablets :(
[12:02] <foobarry> wasted purchase
[12:04] <diddledan> :-(
[12:04] <diddledan> get a raspi to hang off the end and then it'll not be wasted :-p
[12:04] <foobarry> yeah, i can't find my pi zero.
[12:04] <foobarry> too small
[12:11] <diplo> I bought some great chargers that work with everything so far
[12:12] <foobarry> they had a 2.5 A raspi charger but didn't think it was necessary
[12:12] <foobarry> because everything said 2A was sufficient
[12:13] <diplo> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00MTX9GD8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[12:13] <diplo> Those are the ones I'm using for Pi's / phone charging
[12:13] <foobarry> similar to my pi charger
[12:14] <foobarry> not sufficent it seems for hp touchpad (and hudl2 possibly0
[12:14] <popey> don't you need the resistors inside the charger to tell the device it can deliver that current?
[12:14] <diplo> Works for my mums N7
[12:14] <diplo> Yeah, best thing to buy is the MK sockets now, deliver the optimal current to your devices
[12:16] <popey> they're always on though?
[12:16] <foobarry> MK sockets?
[12:16] <BigRedS> MK do mains sockets with USB sockets in them
[12:17] <BigRedS> lots of companies do, but MK's are better than most. I assume that's what diplo means
[12:17] <foobarry> btw one of my wall sockets is jammed "on". why would this happen? quite a new socket (2yrs old)
[12:20] <diplo> Sorry phone went
[12:21] <diplo> Yep exactly, they auto modify the current to your usb cable dependant on the device it detects
[12:21] <diplo> More expensive than most USB sockets, but better too
[12:29] <zmoylan-pi> i got a surge protection plug that has usb sockets on it.  works well
[13:22] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: A short on the inside fusing something? Flip the breaker and take a look
[13:24] <foobarry> TwistedLucidity: if thats the case, would the socket next to it be ok?
[13:24] <foobarry> my missis said the one stuck on was getting hot
[13:24] <foobarry> (we aren't using it anymore)
[13:25] <foobarry> by "next to it", i mean the other one of a socket pai
[13:25] <foobarry> r
[13:25] <TwistedLucidity> Sounds like a short, the whole thing is suspect. Get it replaced ASAP
[13:25] <TwistedLucidity> Or, at least, get it looked at
[13:26] <foobarry> finding good tradesmen is hard
[13:33] <diddledan> digital economy bill blocking porn. what about twitter asks an MP. ""We are legislating to prevent as much as possible of that inadvertent viewing by those who are not desperately actively seeking to do so." <-- surely most teens who find porn are in that category?! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38143757
[13:34] <diddledan> and my constituency MP Maria Miller claims that everything is possible by making law
[13:34] <diddledan> apparently laws make the impossible happen
[13:35] <foobarry> my usual question is , while all of redit be blocked?
[13:35] <foobarry> i'd love a filter that disallowed adult subreddits
[13:35] <foobarry> not just via a setting in your user profile which is self policed
[13:35] <foobarry> reddit has the best and worst of the web
[13:35] <zmoylan-pi> sayonara tumblr
[13:36] <zmoylan-pi> and isn't the only thing this bill will do if passed is teach every kid how to bypass it and then share those skills with adults?
[13:36] <diddledan> I saw a tweet earlier today that muted the thought that the Government are actively trying to drive tech companies out of the country
[13:36] <foobarry> mooted?
[13:37] <diddledan> that too
[13:37] <zmoylan-pi> and starbucks
[13:37] <diddledan> oh golly, starbucks. don't get them started on starbucks.
[13:37] <foobarry> what about sb?
[13:37] <diddledan> coffee is gonna be illegal methinks
[13:37] <foobarry> i stopped rading about the news again
[13:38] <foobarry> too many depressing stories recently
[13:38] <diddledan> aye
[13:38] <foobarry> coffee meh, no biggue
[13:38] <diddledan> Trump. So much Trump.
[13:39] <foobarry> should double click on a word in terminal typically use : as a delimiter?
[13:59] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Not so much, there's various trusted-trader schemes. Or ask your neighbours who they use and if they would recommend them
[14:01] <foobarry> my neighbour who flings dog poo onto my patio...might give him a miss. yeah i'll ask my builder/plasterer other neighbour instead :)
[14:04] <daftykins> #1 neighbour
[14:54] <foobarry> http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/11/notorious-iot-botnets-weaponize-new-flaw-found-in-millions-of-home-routers/
[14:55] <daftykins> always worth nixxing those TR-06# features when you can
[15:33] <TwistedLucidity> What I don't understand is, why (for normal people) does the home router need *ANY* external port open?
[15:33] <TwistedLucidity> Oh, and then there's UPnP
[15:33] <daftykins> and NAT-PMP
[15:33] <foobarry> talktalk keep an open port to "updat your firmware"
[15:34] <foobarry> and they do
[15:34] <daftykins> TR-06# are remote techs so your ISP can look at your router when you call up support
[15:34] <TwistedLucidity> My router, my firmware, my problem
[15:35] <daftykins> right, YOU might use your own, but the article was talking about ISP Supplied ones - read the article TwistedLucidity
[15:35]  * daftykins groans
[15:35] <TwistedLucidity> daftykins: I did
[15:35] <TwistedLucidity> It was a general point
[15:35] <foobarry> then i generally need to allow ISP to do bits
[15:35] <daftykins> right which doesn't apply
[15:35] <foobarry> or risk losing my connection
[15:36] <foobarry> or losing bandwidth
[15:36] <TwistedLucidity> I have to use my ISP's router. Luckily it has a modem-mode; problem solved
[15:39] <diplo> Can't use your own router with Sky, I used to without issue but stopped working recently and whatever I try fails
[15:43] <daftykins> probably added a VLAN
[15:46] <TwistedLucidity> Router <-> VM SuperFlub (modem-mode)
[15:55] <diplo> Well I'm about to cancel Sky TV, see what they offer on the broadband/fibre and make my decision whether to stay or move after that
[15:55] <daftykins> :D
[15:55] <foobarry> saw some company on the tube offering broadband only (no phone) for £20
[15:55] <daftykins> i took apart an old Thomson sky HD box of a clients last night, 300GB maxtor HDD inside, bit of a blast from the past
[16:07] <diplo> foobarry: vodafone are doing that 25 or 27 quid i think
[16:07] <diplo> Thomson one, blimey that's old
[16:07] <daftykins> surely there's still a line rental separate
[16:08] <daftykins> yeah it is, it's been in his understairs cupboard for a while because it used to play up :)
[16:08] <daftykins> i said i'd take it home and have a look if it had bad capacitors
[16:10] <diddledan> the problem isn't so much that TR-069 exists, more that the ISP didn't firewall it off or put it onto a VLAN (BT Openreach has it on a separate VLAN so that the general public can't access the network at all)
[16:11]  * diddledan checks the config on his
[16:11] <daftykins> no i wasn't attempting to infer that
[16:11] <diddledan> TR-069 on my openreach modem is on vlan 301 where the public internet is on vlan 101
[16:11] <daftykins> it's an unnecessary feature though
[16:22] <diplo> daftykins: ref line rental, they are being built into the price now so you don't have two different bills
[16:24] <daftykins> maybe in your country :)
[16:24] <foobarry> i found a jersey 20p piece and couldn't pass it on
[16:24] <foobarry> fortunately self service tills take them
[16:25] <daftykins> yeah, we're not allowed to spend Guernsey or Jersey money anywhere but some ports of ingress - it's a right hassle
[16:26] <daftykins> always have to go to a UK notes only ATM or swap with friends/family before travel or similar
[16:27] <daftykins> poor little young dafty got made to buy something himself in a shop as a kid and was embarassed half to death when the guy asked "what the hell is that green thing?" at my lovely crisp Guernsey £1 note :(
[16:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[16:45] <diddledan> well that's a bit nuts. my parcel due in a few minutes has journeyed from guildford (not far from here) up to birmingham (other side of the country) and then back down to basingstoke (here)
[16:46] <daftykins> :D
[16:46] <daftykins> couriers #1
[16:46] <diddledan> it literally went past basingstoke to get to birmingham
[16:47] <diddledan> unless it went to the m25 I guess
[16:48] <diddledan> it might have gone guildford->m25->m40->birmingham I suppose
[16:49]  * daftykins smiles and nods at the mainlander talk
[16:49] <diddledan> yeah, loookin at maps that's probably the route it went
[16:49] <diddledan> daftykins: you have motorways, too. that dirt track behind the coop
[16:50] <diddledan> :-p
[16:50]  * diddledan assumes you have a coop
[16:50] <daftykins> that's the sheep racing track
[16:50] <daftykins> ;D
[16:51] <diddledan> sheep racing is a welshman's sport. they run away when you're randy so you chase them
[16:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[16:51] <diddledan> :-p
[16:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Anyone like PC World in here?
[16:52] <daftykins> yeah i've heard what you do on those 'holidays' of yours!
[16:53] <diddledan> :-p
[16:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what go to PC World? nope :)
[16:54] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/664874228223623169
[16:55] <daftykins> i don't really believe a word AMD says since they talk up their gear then release lemons - but https://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/new-horizon
[16:55] <daftykins> diddledan: that's nothing new, seen that loads of times
[16:56] <daftykins> found folks machines with chrome and updating broken due to a single registry key o0
[17:14] <DJones> ffs, Why do new mobile phones not have a standard "ring ring" alert tone, all they seem to have is fantasy musical tunes
[17:15] <daftykins> heh yeah, at least you're checking - i always hear the manufacturer default sounds whilst out and about ;)
[17:17] <DJones> All I want it to do is malke a ring ring tone when somebody's ringing me, not beyonce or any other random artuste
[17:17] <DJones> Dammed googe pixel setup
[17:17] <daftykins> oh you got a pixel?
[17:17] <daftykins> pricey.
[17:19] <DJones> Yeah, I was due an upgrade a couple of months back. but wouldn't pay the increased contravt price, noticed a cyber monday discount that leaves me better off when I sell my old phone
[17:20] <daftykins> how handy
[17:20] <DJones> (over the course of the contract anyway)
[17:21] <DJones> Paid an extra £30 up front, plus £1.50/month for 24 months, can sell the old phone for £100, so still make a profit even buying a new case
[17:22] <xnox> pixel - want, but don't want to pay for it =(
[17:22]  * xnox is on the original nexus 6 at the moment
[17:22] <daftykins> i just ordered a OnePlus 3T for a client
[17:22] <DJones> pixel is nice
[17:22] <xnox> will wait until nexus 6 dies
[17:22] <daftykins> christmas gift for his wife
[17:23] <DJones> daftykins: Yeah, surem whats the betting his wife gets his old phone :)
[17:23] <daftykins> nah he'll hold onto his
[17:25] <DJones> I had to laugh before, my parents are heading out to Perth, Australia to visit my dad's sister before Christmas. Speaking to her before she said that she had her old iphone ready and waiting for them to use when they arrive....Thats a joke, they won't even switch their own mobiles on because they have to recharge them
[17:26] <daftykins> XD
[17:26] <DJones> I guess the peril's of being nearly 80
[17:26] <DJones> Technology....
[17:26] <daftykins> clients' secretary and husband go out to Perth a lot, they have a tale of picking up an Aussie SIM and being promised cheap calls back to home but all the credit disappearing in seconds, no idea what happened there
[17:27] <daftykins> they were asking me about how to use skype so they could call for free
[17:27] <DJones> I just tell my parents to use hangouts
[17:28] <DJones> They can do that accidentaly, just don't know which icon to press to do it deliberatly
[17:28] <daftykins> i don't see any benefit either way
[17:29] <DJones> Not much difference, just I don't use skype, and they don't speak to anybody else over the internet apart from me
[17:31] <daftykins> yeah they're middle aged and the fella wants to skype his mother i think, who has an iPad - so mmm
[17:31] <DJones> daftykins: You're not based in Jersey are you (I don't think so from what you've said in the past) just saw a news report about the undersea cables to Jersey being cut
[17:31] <daftykins> nah the better island, Guernsey
[17:31] <DJones> :)
[17:32] <daftykins> o rly, that might still mess things up for me
[17:32] <DJones> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-38141230
[17:32] <DJones> A ship dragging its anchor on the seabed in the English Channel has cut the three main internet cables to the Channel Islands overnight.
[17:32] <DJones> Broadband speeds are expected to be slower as a result and cable owners JT, Sure and BT say it could take up to three weeks to repair.
[17:33] <DJones> "It is exceptionally unlucky and unprecedented for three submarine cables to the UK to be cut in the same day."
[17:33] <DJones> Just thought it worth a mention
[17:33] <daftykins> indeed, thanks for the heads up
[17:34] <DJones> I saw that this morning, but first time I've been online since
[17:36] <DJones> Ah well, good luck, hope it doesn't affect you
[17:36] <daftykins> oh neat my ISP only had voice cables affected
[17:36] <daftykins> \o/
[19:41] <diddledan> it's happening! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/29/ofcom_to_force_a_legal_separation_of_bt_following_failed_voluntary_proposals/
[19:42] <zmoylan-pi> oh for the good old days when they were a monopoly and had no competition
[19:44] <daftykins> won't prevent back room chatter so it'll probably be totally useless
[19:45] <zmoylan-pi> but it'll look like they did something... yay \o/
[19:47] <diddledan> does anyone use private modes in their browser for normal things that isn't adult entertainment?
[19:48] <diddledan> that's in reference to this tweet that just arrived: https://twitter.com/firefox/status/803686679147999232
[19:48] <zmoylan-pi> any time i log into gmail i use a private mode
[19:48] <zmoylan-pi> about 1-2 a year
[19:56] <daftykins> yeah i use it for online banking
[20:07] <daftykins> bed! \o
[20:07] <zmoylan-pi> sleep well
[20:12] <diddledan> at 8pm?! :-o
[20:13] <zmoylan-pi> well if you want to hack wearing a balaclava and hoodie at 3am you have to get your beauty sleep