| === maclin1 is now known as maclin | ||
| hikiko | hello :) | 05:55 |
|---|---|---|
| hikiko | snow! | 05:55 |
| pitti | Good morning | 06:56 |
| hikiko | hi pitti | 07:13 |
| pitti | hey hikiko, how are you? | 07:13 |
| pitti | hikiko: seriously, snow in Greece? | 07:14 |
| hikiko | yeah :) in my city | 07:14 |
| hikiko | well, we have a lot of snow in greece (so many mountains) in the cities that are next to the sea it's rare :) | 07:14 |
| hikiko | winter :D :D :D | 07:15 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 07:32 |
| seb128 | hey hikiko pitti | 07:32 |
| hikiko | hey seb128 | 07:33 |
| seb128 | it's freezing in Greece now?! | 07:34 |
| seb128 | we are done with the warming, getting colder! | 07:34 |
| seb128 | :p | 07:34 |
| hikiko | lol it's not freezing :) it's normal winter! | 07:42 |
| hikiko | finally :) | 07:43 |
| hikiko | it was very weird to have 15 and 17 degrees in november :p but anyway I have to stop the weather forecast :D | 07:44 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128 ! | 07:49 |
| seb128 | pitti, how are you? | 08:00 |
| pitti | seb128: f-f-f-f-reezing! :-) | 08:01 |
| pitti | seb128: nah, je vais bien, merci ! | 08:01 |
| seb128 | lol | 08:01 |
| seb128 | it's still cold here as well but should get a bit warmer later on | 08:01 |
| pitti | seb128: j'ai eu du pizza et de la bière avec mon voisin hier soir, et on a vu "Star Wars V" | 08:01 |
| pitti | un soir d'hommes | 08:01 |
| seb128 | like going from 0° to 7°C | 08:01 |
| seb128 | haha | 08:01 |
| didrocks | some people prepare themselves for Star Wars 3.5 soon :) | 08:02 |
| didrocks | hey pitti, hikiko, re seb128 | 08:02 |
| pitti | seb128: Annett was away on a christmas party with their colleagues | 08:02 |
| seb128 | didrocks, when does it go out? | 08:02 |
| seb128 | pitti, it's not even december yet! | 08:02 |
| pitti | didrocks: oui, mon voisin n'a vu jamais Star Wars -- donc nous faisons ça maintenant | 08:03 |
| didrocks | seb128: mid-december I think? I don't even really know :) | 08:03 |
| didrocks | ah, an illiterate, like I am! :) | 08:03 |
| didrocks | (catching up is still planned though) | 08:03 |
| seb128 | whhhaaattttt | 08:03 |
| pitti | watching the old movies is a bit boring indeed, but you gotta start there of course | 08:03 |
| * seb128 needs to fix didrocks' culture next time we are romming | 08:04 | |
| seb128 | rooming | 08:04 |
| pitti | says the guy who never watched Star Trek! | 08:04 |
| didrocks | :) | 08:04 |
| seb128 | one day | 08:05 |
| seb128 | maybe | 08:05 |
| pitti | which clearly is the better of the two! | 08:05 |
| * pitti ducks and evades the gauntlet | 08:05 | |
| seb128 | I tried but speaking of nothing happening... | 08:05 |
| seb128 | it's even more borring than the old starwars | 08:05 |
| * seb128 stops there before he crosses a line :p | 08:05 | |
| pitti | yeah, we got spoiled by the modern movies with fast cuts | 08:05 |
| hikiko | hi didrocks | 08:06 |
| pitti | seb128: well, I can understand it -- the TNG stories were great, but I do appreciate that the narrative style is a bit slow for modern taste | 08:06 |
| seb128 | right | 08:07 |
| seb128 | damn modern world! | 08:07 |
| willcooke | morning all | 08:54 |
| willcooke | c..c..c..cold | 08:54 |
| chrisccoulson | hi willcooke :) | 08:55 |
| willcooke | how's it going chrisccoulson? | 08:55 |
| willcooke | I was going to ask you about you know what today, do you think it'll be done by EOY? | 08:55 |
| chrisccoulson | willcooke, yeah | 08:56 |
| willcooke | cool, thanks chrisccoulson | 08:57 |
| flexiondotorg | Good morning seb128 didrocks pitti willcooke chrisccoulson hikiko | 09:02 |
| willcooke | hey flexiondotorg | 09:03 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke chrisccoulson flexiondotorg | 09:03 |
| chrisccoulson | nobody's using firefox, right? http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/11/firefox-0day-used-against-tor-users-almost-identical-to-one-fbi-used-in-2013/ | 09:03 |
| chrisccoulson | hi everyone :) | 09:03 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 09:03 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, says the firefox maintainer? :p | 09:03 |
| Laney | brRRRRrrRRRrrrRRRr | 09:03 |
| hikiko | good morning flexiondotorg chrisccoulson willcooke Laney | 09:03 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, I'm not the firefox maintainer :P | 09:03 |
| seb128 | who is? | 09:03 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 09:03 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 09:03 |
| seb128 | hey Laney | 09:03 |
| hikiko | and davmor2 :p | 09:03 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, it's you | 09:03 |
| flexiondotorg | Good morning Laney, davmor2 | 09:04 |
| flexiondotorg | chrisccoulson, Have you spoken to anyone at Mozilla about snapping Firefox? | 09:04 |
| chrisccoulson | flexiondotorg, they're doing it | 09:04 |
| davmor2 | morning hikiko flexiondotorg | 09:04 |
| flexiondotorg | chrisccoulson, Oooh. Excellent. | 09:05 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, :-( | 09:05 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, so we get to pick between an outdated chromium or a non-maintainer-buggy-but-uptodate firefox? | 09:07 |
| seb128 | bah | 09:07 |
| seb128 | way to escape the question! | 09:07 |
| seb128 | oh, he's back | 09:07 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, so we get to pick between an outdated chromium or a non-maintainer-buggy-but-uptodate firefox? | 09:07 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, is firefox that bad? | 09:09 |
| chrisccoulson | I probably should use it again really | 09:09 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, no, I'm enjoying it still, you are the one pointing the security issues and trying to escape maintainship :p | 09:10 |
| * pitti gives firefox a ♥ -- works fine and it's our default browser after all | 09:11 | |
| pitti | I have occasional trouble with hangouts, but then who doesn't (most certainly it doesn't work perfectly in chromium either) | 09:12 |
| seb128 | no it doesn't | 09:13 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, oh, judgint the state of firefox from the current 0-day is probably a bit unfair - that's quite unusual, and there's a fix already ;) | 09:15 |
| seb128 | :-) | 09:16 |
| ricotz | chrisccoulson, yeah fun :-) | 09:16 |
| * ricotz likes firefox too, of course | 09:16 | |
| chrisccoulson | I did stay up until 3am this morning waiting for them to start builds but then got bored and went to sleep, so we'll probably end up being a few hours late with the fix | 09:17 |
| chrisccoulson | hi ricotz :) | 09:17 |
| chrisccoulson | hi pitti :) | 09:17 |
| pitti | hey chrisccoulson! | 09:17 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti, gutted to hear that you're leaving us :( | 09:18 |
| chrisccoulson | although, it does sound like you'll be having a lot of fun :) | 09:18 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, anyway, we always have webbrowser-app if firefox and chromium suck ;) | 09:20 |
| pitti | heh, I hope :) I'll just try it and see if it suits me, but for sure I'm looking forward to being able to concentrate on two or three projects for a change and lose all these little maintenance tasks | 09:20 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, I can imagine :) | 09:20 |
| seb128 | be careful to not be too nice and end up in the same situation where everybody needs you! | 09:21 |
| pitti | yeah, I must learn how to say "no" :) | 09:22 |
| Laney | "<manager> man, this new hire 'pitti' refused all my tasks" | 09:25 |
| Laney | "* pitti drinks cocktails on the beach" | 09:25 |
| chrisccoulson | heh | 09:25 |
| pitti | ^ right, so my work day wouldn't change at all, just who pays for the cocktails! | 09:25 |
| willcooke | Did someone say cocktails? I mean, it's a bit early, but ok. | 09:30 |
| pitti | willcooke: you didn't fully appreciate the concept of a world-wide distributed company yet! | 09:32 |
| seb128 | willcooke, I though you said you would be at the office tomorrow, not today? :p | 09:32 |
| willcooke | haha! | 09:32 |
| chrisccoulson | I'm expecting a delivery of beer this morning. I think it's going to be a challenge to make it last the whole day | 09:32 |
| willcooke | chrisccoulson, do you use a subscription service? | 09:34 |
| chrisccoulson | willcooke, I don't, although I have been thinking about doing the beerhawk subscription | 09:35 |
| willcooke | chrisccoulson, I'll give you a Flavourly referal code. You only have to buy one box and you'll get a tenner off. Well worth it IMO | 09:37 |
| chrisccoulson | oh fun, I've ran out of disk space | 09:47 |
| willcooke | :/ | 09:49 |
| chrisccoulson | lol, I have a single source tree that takes up nearly 200GB | 09:50 |
| hikiko | 200 | 10:02 |
| hikiko | 200GB? | 10:02 |
| hikiko | wow. | 10:03 |
| chrisccoulson | hikiko, it contains a few build directories at nearly 50GB each. I should probably think about deleting some | 10:04 |
| hikiko | yeah but even 50GB is quite big :) | 10:06 |
| chrisccoulson | hikiko, don't ever get dragged in to browser stuff :) | 10:06 |
| hikiko | heh | 10:07 |
| hikiko | too late | 10:07 |
| hikiko | I am currently building gcc in 3 machines to have the same version same prefix and I am going to try distcc+ninja btw... I'll tell you my experience tomorrow (I am optimistic) ;p | 10:08 |
| hikiko | :s/prefix/suffix | 10:08 |
| chrisccoulson | sounds fun :) | 10:08 |
| chrisccoulson | I might be interested in that work ;) | 10:09 |
| chrisccoulson | (although, I can already build chromium fairly quickly) | 10:09 |
| hikiko | chrisccoulson, how? | 10:09 |
| hikiko | tell me the trick | 10:09 |
| chrisccoulson | hikiko, 64GB of RAM and one of these - http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/memory-storage/ssd/950-pro/MZ-V5P512BW | 10:10 |
| chrisccoulson | and I have a quad core xeon CPU in my laptop too | 10:11 |
| hikiko | lol | 10:15 |
| hikiko | ok | 10:15 |
| hikiko | I don't have such hardware:) | 10:16 |
| chrisccoulson | it still takes a while for a full build though. But not 9 hours :) | 10:16 |
| hikiko | but if I combine the RAM+cores of our 3 computers here it will be fast I hope | 10:16 |
| hikiko | yeah | 10:16 |
| hikiko | the 1st time was 9hrs | 10:17 |
| hikiko | and I didn't use all the cores | 10:17 |
| hikiko | I just followed the instructions in the manual ninja -C | 10:17 |
| hikiko | now I am using -j4 | 10:17 |
| hikiko | and soon -j 16 | 10:17 |
| hikiko | (with distcc) | 10:18 |
| marga | desrt, I'm having a super weird issue dconf related: after years of our /etc/dconf/db/site.d/foo settings working properly, they are suddenly not applying. If I look in dconf-editor, it shows that the default is the wrong value (i.e. false when it should be true). I expect it's something that we changed last week or so, but I can't figure out what could cause this, any idea? | 10:57 |
| === sil2100_ is now known as sil2100 | ||
| andyrock | morning | 11:01 |
| willcooke | hey andyrock | 11:04 |
| Trevinho | Laney: once andyrock ACKed the libappindicator change ;-), can you please check this https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2208 ? | 11:05 |
| desrt | marga: huh. nothing should have changed with this. what does the commandline tool say? | 11:07 |
| marga | which tool? If I do dconf read or dconf dump, it shows the wrong value. But I have no way of knowing where the value is coming from. | 11:09 |
| marga | desrt, as I said, I'm pretty sure it's our fault, I'm just at a loss as to how to debug where the problem is | 11:10 |
| desrt | what release are we talking about here? an LTS? | 11:10 |
| desrt | or did you do a dist-upgrade? | 11:10 |
| marga | Trusty | 11:10 |
| desrt | ya.... really really no changes there :p | 11:10 |
| marga | Freshly installed and updated to the latest security updates. But I'm also seeing it on a different machine running a different release. So, pretty sure it's a config change on our side. :-/ | 11:11 |
| desrt | try: touch /etc/dconf/db/*.d; dconf update ? | 11:11 |
| marga | desrt, I sort of tried that (editing one of the files there), but I'll try again. | 11:12 |
| desrt | some text editors do unsafe file access (and as a side-effect, the timestamp on the directory doesn't get updated properly) | 11:12 |
| desrt | a shockingly large number do this, in fact | 11:12 |
| marga | I edited with vim | 11:13 |
| marga | I'd hope it does this right :) | 11:13 |
| desrt | vim does it properly, i think | 11:13 |
| desrt | (and even if it doesn't, the .swp files in the directory would have modified the timestamp) | 11:13 |
| marga | Alright, tried this, no change. | 11:14 |
| marga | Is there any way I could figure out where the "bad" setting is coming from? | 11:14 |
| desrt | do you have locks? | 11:16 |
| marga | I tried reading the setting as root and it was also wrong. Also tried removing the .conf/dconf/user file. | 11:16 |
| desrt | weird....... | 11:17 |
| marga | desrt, yeah, the locks actually work correctly (i.e. I can't edit the setting manually). But I've tried removing them and the default is still wrong. | 11:17 |
| desrt | what is the profile? | 11:17 |
| marga | Ah! I forgot about that part. Let me check, maybe we screwed that | 11:17 |
| desrt | there were some changes in the last year or so to how profile got picked, but i don't think you'd be seeing those in trusty | 11:18 |
| * desrt double-checks | 11:18 | |
| marga | So, the profile _should_ be the one called "user", that contains "user-db:user system-db:local system-db:site" | 11:19 |
| desrt | ya... the profile selection stuff came much later than the version in trusty | 11:19 |
| marga | But it might be that we managed to screw that, maybe. How do I check which profile I'm actually using? | 11:20 |
| desrt | strace? :) | 11:20 |
| desrt | is DCONF_PROFILE set to anything? | 11:20 |
| marga | Nope | 11:20 |
| desrt | so then the tool should try to open /etc/dconf/profile/user, indeed | 11:21 |
| marga | Ok, I'll strace | 11:21 |
| desrt | strace dconf read /whatever | 11:21 |
| desrt | just to see what gets opened | 11:21 |
| marga | Yes, open("/etc/dconf/profile/user", O_RDONLY) = 3 | 11:21 |
| desrt | (like, literally "/whatever" is a good choice, since there is no value here, it will result in less strace output) | 11:22 |
| marga | open("/etc/dconf/db/site", O_RDONLY) = 4 | 11:22 |
| desrt | looks good... | 11:22 |
| marga | Yeah... | 11:22 |
| desrt | and the timestamp on 'site' is reasonable? | 11:22 |
| desrt | it's a bit of a shame that you are working with trusty... the tool grew some features lately that would be useful here | 11:23 |
| marga | Nov 30 12:12 /etc/dconf/db/site (11 minutes ago) | 11:23 |
| marga | desrt, I have a more modern system as well. Both are experiencing the same, that's why I blame our configs. | 11:23 |
| === sil2100_ is now known as sil2100 | ||
| marga | So, what are those fancy new features? :) | 11:26 |
| desrt | sorry. | 11:28 |
| desrt | so the main one is that you can list locks | 11:28 |
| desrt | dconf list-locks / will tell you if dconf thinks that you have any paths locked | 11:29 |
| desrt | (ie: this could be why user values are allowed to appear over system values that you think should be locked) | 11:29 |
| desrt | (no output = no locks) | 11:30 |
| marga | Ok, I had moved one file away (the one that locked the value that I'm using to track the problem). I see the other locks with that. I'll put my lock file back in place | 11:30 |
| marga | Yep, the locks work fine. It's the values that are broken | 11:31 |
| marga | From what I'm seeing, it might be that only booleans are broken. | 11:31 |
| desrt | this is very odd. | 11:32 |
| marga | Indeed. | 11:32 |
| desrt | everything is x86 here, ya? | 11:32 |
| marga | amd64 | 11:32 |
| desrt | right | 11:32 |
| desrt | okay, so my advice: focus on a single key that is showing the problem | 11:33 |
| desrt | make those separate file-db profile files, one per each layer (site, local, user) | 11:33 |
| desrt | and query what dconf thinks each database says, and also if it sees a lock there or not | 11:33 |
| marga | How can I query each db? | 11:33 |
| desrt | write into a file called "myprofile" one line: "file-db:/etc/dconf/db/site" (or whatever single file you want) | 11:34 |
| desrt | then do DCONF_PROFILE=/path/to/myprofile dconf dump / | 11:34 |
| marga | BTW, I can confirm that only boolean values are affected. | 11:34 |
| marga | ok, will do | 11:34 |
| desrt | this is _really_ weird | 11:34 |
| desrt | did you try ints? | 11:34 |
| marga | yeah, I changed an int value and then queried it and it showed the new value. | 11:34 |
| desrt | other option: email me a .tar.gz of your /etc/dconf (complete with both .d directories and the compiled db files, and the profiles) | 11:37 |
| marga | I found the issue. Someone created a second file that overwrote the values with wrong values. | 11:38 |
| desrt | party :) | 11:38 |
| marga | I was checking the file that I had created, and it had the right values... | 11:38 |
| marga | Sigh | 11:38 |
| marga | Thanks for your time :) | 11:38 |
| desrt | just glad i don't have a bug to fix :p | 11:39 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
| === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g | ||
| xnox | marga, you must love dconf a lot =) | 12:46 |
| marga | xnox, I actually find the site.d thing pretty neat | 12:46 |
| * xnox learned a lot about dconf from above | 12:46 | |
| xnox | mostly that i really don't want to touch it | 12:47 |
| marga | :) | 12:47 |
| xnox | marga, when i want to change the defaults, i upload the package into Ubuntu and dist-upgrade =) | 12:47 |
| marga | Ah, but then you can't lock the settings away from the hands of misguided users :) | 12:47 |
| marga | (we are not mean, we only lock some specific settings, like the screensaver lock) | 12:48 |
| xnox | =) | 12:48 |
| Trevinho | Laney: this is all yours now https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2208 ;-) | 13:06 |
| Laney | THE BITS ARE FLOWING | 13:48 |
| Laney | Trevinho: ok | 13:48 |
| Laney | git bisect run you absolute beauty | 14:13 |
| pitti | Laney: well, it's more like a meticulous craftsman with a big hammer than a fairy, but de gustibus non disputandum est :) | 14:15 |
| Laney | de mortuis nihil nisi bonum | 14:17 |
| Laney | pitti: fair comment | 14:18 |
| Laney | my scripts are usually "git clean -fdx; make; make check" | 14:18 |
| Laney | hardly delicate | 14:18 |
| pitti | Laney: confused -- what is dead in that context? | 14:18 |
| pitti | Laney: heh, my usual one is a bit more elaborate: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/scripts/systemd-bisect-run.sh.simple | 14:19 |
| pitti | here's to packages which can be sensibly tested with "make check" :) | 14:20 |
| Laney | pitti: there's a play (forgot the name) where those two phrases are confused | 14:21 |
| pitti | Laney: hm, curious; aside from being completely ignorant of Latin basics, it's hard to imagine how to confuse them | 14:21 |
| Laney | a misquoting IIRC | 14:21 |
| pitti | #ubuntu-desktop topics → is it Friday yet? | 14:22 |
| Laney | http://www.cynic.net/~cjs/degustibus.html | 14:23 |
| seb128 | back to learn something fridays rather than troll fridays? | 14:23 |
| pitti | Laney: ah, thanks! | 14:24 |
| seb128 | not enough larsu around nowadays :-/ | 14:24 |
| Laney | pitti has rectified that one too | 14:24 |
| * Laney sobs | 14:24 | |
| Laney | seb128: (fosdem) | 14:25 |
| seb128 | right! | 14:25 |
| Laney | nothing like a cold and grey weekend in bruxelelelelels to regenerate yourself | 14:26 |
| seb128 | :-) | 14:26 |
| === Laney changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | requests paired with a pink killer will be given preferential treatment | ||
| * larsu waves to seb128! | 14:29 | |
| seb128 | hey larsu! wie gehts? ;-) | 14:29 |
| pitti | it's a larsu! | 14:30 |
| larsu | seb128: too dark! | 14:30 |
| larsu | otherwise great :) How are you? | 14:30 |
| pitti | "pink killer"?? | 14:30 |
| larsu | pitti: hi! What's going on? | 14:31 |
| seb128 | I'm good thanks, sunny here today and not night yet | 14:31 |
| pitti | larsu: eh? bright blue sky and sun here | 14:31 |
| larsu | pitti: rain and dark here :( | 14:31 |
| davmor2 | Laney: man what did Pink do to you to deserve killing | 14:32 |
| davmor2 | Laney: She sings okay songs if you don't like them just listen to something else ;) | 14:32 |
| Laney | davmor2: what happens at fosdem stays at fosdem | 14:33 |
| === JanC is now known as Guest103 | ||
| === JanC_ is now known as JanC | ||
| p_d | hy, After installing/downloading virtualbox completely..it gives me an error - http://imgur.com/a/MbMsf ..how to resolve it "Running VMs found"? | 16:35 |
| === infinity1 is now known as infinity | ||
| * flexiondotorg calls it a day | 18:01 | |
| flexiondotorg | Night desktopers | 18:01 |
| willcooke | see ya flexiondotorg | 18:01 |
| seb128 | night flexiondotorg | 18:02 |
| seb128 | going to do the same here | 18:03 |
| seb128 | have a nice evening desktopers and see you tomorrow | 18:03 |
| willcooke | night seb128 | 18:03 |
| * willcooke follows | 18:03 | |
| willcooke | London tomorrow | 18:03 |
| willcooke | ta ta | 18:03 |
| === robru_ is now known as robru | ||
| Laney | night too | 18:30 |
| ximion | Laney: are you *sure* that you uploaded the appstream patch? Because it is nowehere to be seen in Launchpad | 20:53 |
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