[08:43] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:04] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[09:05] <davmor2> brobostigon: Morning dude how's life?
[09:09] <brobostigon> davmor2: a mess, but trying to think postivly and looking forward to better. and you?
[09:10] <brobostigon> https://download.cyanogenmod.org/get/jenkins/187783/cm-14.1-20161130-NIGHTLY-mako.zip woop
[09:10] <davmor2> brobostigon: ouch that wasn't quite the answer I was expecting :( But also Yay for you.  As for me busy and tired but hey I got  a dishwasher and new tablet from black friday so am overjoyed
[09:11] <brobostigon> davmor2: :)
[09:14] <davmor2> popey: I strayed from the hudl2 the battery started to only last for 2 hours, I picked up the Lenovo Tab 3 8inch fantastic tablet only one complaint it doesn't dim enough but I'm down to 64% battery on 2 days use \o/
[09:17] <popey> nice
[09:17] <zmoylan-pi> i got the lenovo tab2 8 incher in argos on special a few months back... tis nice.  battery life is good. only thing i find iffy is that tumblr app is very crashy on it and not other android devices i've tried
[09:18] <foobarry> hudl2 is prefect except for software and battery
[09:18] <foobarry> mini hdmi out micro sd, it has the lot
[09:18] <foobarry> for battery read intel chips
[09:19] <zmoylan-pi> and i do like otg devices... been able to plug a usb drive with a micro usb socket on one end and normal usb-a on the other is dead handy at geeky meetups for swapping files
[09:20] <davmor2> foobarry: yeah I loved my hudl2 when the battery lasted 6-8hours but when it got down to 2 it was ridiculous
[09:24] <foobarry> £11.99 buys you a new battery
[09:24] <foobarry> or 9.99 actually
[09:24] <foobarry> lots sold so must be an issue
[09:27] <zmoylan-pi> how old are the hudl2's now? getting on a bit
[09:27] <davmor2> foobarry: yeah it is but then you got to go through the hassle of opening the device, replacing the battery and so on, so I got £120 Tablet for £90 instead and no looking back, similar power, marshmellow, runs my banking app that the hudl2 didn't and so on
[09:29] <davmor2> oh and the battery lasts days doing the same thing as on the hudl2 :)
[09:29] <popey> mine is 2 years old
[09:30] <popey> battery on my hudl2 is fine
[09:30] <popey> but then i rarely use it anymore :)
[09:30] <zmoylan-pi> which in battery years is? :-)
[09:30] <davmor2> popey: do you ever unplug it :D
[09:30] <popey> Sam used it for ages, but now he has my OnePlus One, he never uses the hudl2
[09:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Computer Security Day! 😃  🔒
[09:53] <davmor2> JamesTait: I discovered this a few days ago looking into firewall for modding a setting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_sSNTP2-T0 enjoy
[10:52] <JamesTait> davmor2, I've left the playlist running, I quite like it.
[11:04] <davmor2> JamesTait: you're welcome
[11:04] <davmor2> JamesTait: the original is more of a rock/pop song but I preferred the nightcore version
[11:20] <foobarry> oh. my touchpad does charge if it already has decent charge
[11:20] <foobarry> trickles very slowly
[11:20] <foobarry> with the raspi charger
[11:20] <foobarry> but not from zero
[14:22] <diddledan> davmor2: good tune!
[14:24] <davmor2> diddledan: apt at least :)
[14:51] <diddledan> https://media.netflix.com/en/company-blog/downloads-make-it-even-easier-to-watch-netflix-on-the-go
[14:55] <m0nkey_> can confirm
[14:55] <m0nkey_> it's available
[14:55] <m0nkey_> not for everything, but most things
[15:03] <daftykins> time to hunt for a wall bracket for that fancy 65" LG OLED :O
[15:09] <diddledan> scathing: https://richardskingdom.net/investigatory-powers-act-rebuttal
[15:17] <diddledan> I found a bug so I made light of it via humour: https://github.com/eclipse/che/issues/3205
[15:19] <diddledan> note my purposeful typo
[15:20] <davmor2> diddledan: man it got fix fast ;)
[15:23] <diddledan> yup
[15:32] <m0nkey_> wow, i just found my old nexus one
[15:33] <diddledan> :-o
[15:33] <m0nkey_> its charging
[15:34] <daftykins> D:
[15:34] <m0nkey_> should be able to put jelly bean on it, right?
[15:35] <daftykins> specs are so bad it wouldn't be worth any effort.
[15:35] <m0nkey_> lol
[15:36] <daftykins> nah deadly serious, 512MB RAM, oof
[15:36] <m0nkey_> it has a legacy feature, which all phones should include
[15:36] <m0nkey_> a user replaceable battery
[15:36] <m0nkey_> even my Note 4 has that feature
[15:36] <daftykins> i'd be willing to bet most people have moved on before they ever have need to change one anyway
[15:47] <daftykins> m0nkey_: haha cyanogenmod gave up at gingerbread O_O (CM v7)
[15:55] <m0nkey_> daftykins, 7.2 was released for it, that appears to be Android 4.4.4
[15:55]  * m0nkey_ is taking bets on weather Purolator screws up the delivery again today
[15:55] <m0nkey_> This was yesterday: Delayed in transit due to missed connection
[15:56] <m0nkey_> Supposed to arrive today
[15:56] <daftykins> not if it's CM
[15:57] <diddledan> m0nkey_: what you getting delivered?
[15:57] <m0nkey_> gtx 1060
[15:57] <diddledan> nice!
[15:57] <daftykins> 3GB or 6GB?
[15:58] <diddledan> all the GB
[15:58] <m0nkey_> 6GB
[15:58] <daftykins> aww yeah just scp'd the last of the ripped music to a clients file server and desktop PC \o/ yay for remote access
[15:59] <daftykins> also yay for 10Mb upload :D
[16:02] <diddledan> AWS has revenue of 13bn
[16:03] <diddledan> that's their last year
[16:13] <daftykins> mmk :)
[16:37] <diddledan> amazon are launching fpga instances
[16:37] <diddledan> so that's a compute instance that is connected somehow to fpga chips
[16:38] <daftykins> mmhmm
[17:39] <m0nkey_> I just had a call from Purolator
[17:40] <diddledan> oh dear
[17:40] <m0nkey_> They claim it's at the 'depot', but no update. Then she went on to say 'It was left at the door'. I bet they lost it.
[17:40] <m0nkey_> I told them it better have not been left at the door, any bugger could just take it.
[17:41] <m0nkey_> I work from home, to make sure somebody is here to receive it, now they've failed two days in a row.
[17:45] <m0nkey_> http://i.imgur.com/Rg0QIQ9.gif
[17:45] <diddledan> haha
[17:46] <m0nkey_> sauce: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBzU8TD1iks
[18:01] <m0nkey_> My guess, somebody 'broke' the box it was in, found it was a GTX 1060 and swiped it.
[18:03] <diddledan> mebbe
[18:19] <diddledan> amazon just announced a shipping container
[18:19] <diddledan> "AWS Snowmobile"
[18:20] <diddledan> 100PB container in a 45ft truck
[18:21] <zmoylan-pi> windows 10 actually _runs_ on it :-D
[18:22] <daftykins> pff
[18:27] <zmoylan-pi> i remember a.c.clarke predicting 4pb in a shoebox sized contained for mid 2050s iirc... looking like we'll get there
[18:28] <daftykins> could be!
[18:28] <diddledan> of course there's gonna be many jokes when yottabytes are commonplace: "boy, you've got a yotta bytes!"
[18:28] <zmoylan-pi> he was suggesting they would be used to distribute illegal copies of library of congress type databases cheap for home useage...
[18:29] <diddledan> but the library of congress takes a couple gig, I thought?
[18:29] <m0nkey_> OK, another agent has just told me it's on the truck with the driver. They don't seem to know what the heck is going on.
[18:30] <daftykins> standard courier then
[18:30] <zmoylan-pi> all the text of library of congress is about 4pb iirc
[18:31] <zmoylan-pi> i'm not sure if that's with or without compression
[18:32] <zmoylan-pi> ah, 1 million google accounts compromised by android malware...
[18:32] <diddledan> \o/
[18:32] <m0nkey_> link?
[18:32] <m0nkey_> Canada Post is the only decent service for deliveries
[18:33] <daftykins> http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/11/1-million-android-accounts-compromised-by-android-malware-called-gooligan/
[18:33] <daftykins> once again only third party marketplaces, so wholly moot when following sane practices
[18:34] <zmoylan-pi> put your android device in a plastic bag, never connect it to the net or a pc. leave it locked in a dark drawer and you're grand
[18:34] <diddledan> what you mean f-droid is unsafe?!
[18:35] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: don't spread FUD
[18:35] <zmoylan-pi> a layer of fud on top of it in the drawer will help too :-)
[18:35] <diddledan> elma fudd
[18:35] <daftykins> i've seen articles that claim it's mostly in the east that people are using third party marketplaces
[18:36] <diddledan> probably getting cracked softwares too
[18:36] <diddledan> hence the third-party marketplace
[18:36] <zmoylan-pi> yeah it does seem that 3rd party markets are the big malware sources for android but a few have made it past google into marketplace till they've been discovered
[18:37] <daftykins> sure, but you have to really be installing some really weird junk to get hit
[18:37] <daftykins> diddledan: yeah or region restrictions maybe
[18:37] <zmoylan-pi> be vewy vewy qwiet, it's malware season
[18:37] <daftykins> a client can't get MS Word right now on android because they like to stick their middle finger at anyone signed up with a Guernsey address
[18:38] <zmoylan-pi> well those tax havens are notorious :-P
[18:38]  * diddledan middle-fingers daftykins .. quite hard.
[18:38] <zmoylan-pi> full of pirates
[18:38] <diddledan> *pokey poke poke*
[18:38] <m0nkey_> it's here!
[18:38] <diddledan> \o/
[18:38] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: it's not a f*ing tax haven.
[18:38] <m0nkey_> that first agent was useless
[18:38] <diddledan> daftykins: anymore
[18:38] <daftykins> and i'd appreciate you not to talk bs about my home either
[18:38] <daftykins> no, nor was it
[18:39] <diddledan> :-p
[18:39] <daftykins> tossers
[18:40] <diddledan> I still don't really understand the relationship between the islands and britain
[18:40] <diddledan> as a britisher we tend to think we "own" the islands
[18:41] <zmoylan-pi> i think it's people think islands and then mix everything they've heard about all of them under one big label 'islands' and thus mistakes are begun
[18:41] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: you're misspelling ireland :-p
[18:42] <zmoylan-pi> well as a german mate said, 'ireland is an island... barely' he wasn't a fan of the damp which comes at you from every direction
[18:42] <m0nkey_> Britain rules the world. We only let the US think they do.
[18:42] <diddledan> lol
[18:42] <diddledan> as a friend would say "slap the locals away with my british passport"
[18:42] <daftykins> well that's definitely a refreshing statement to hear diddledan, usually i find the English are trying to teach me about my own home :>
[18:42] <daftykins> that got old very quickly at Uni
[18:43] <m0nkey_> This is why Canada exists, it's bigger and it's on top. Mostly colonized by Brits.
[18:43] <daftykins> diet 'murica
[18:43] <zmoylan-pi> and exists just to annoy the americans :-P
[18:44] <diddledan> daftykins: I can tell you about your home.. you live there! (that's about the sum of my knowledge :-p)
[18:45] <diddledan> <-- Mormon
[18:45] <m0nkey_> Think about it, the US didn't go to war with Iraq, the UK did.  The UK also recently introduced the 'snooping' charter, which you can bet your bottom it will be adopted in the US shortly.
[18:45] <diddledan> or should that be Norman?
[18:45] <zmoylan-pi> well... the uk has always been snooping, now they're just making it official
[18:45] <diddledan> I think we need an interlude: https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/804033532351971329/photo/1
[18:46] <m0nkey_> They've been testing the snooping in the US, now deployed on a small scale.
[18:47] <diddledan> I like how Britain now has the most repressive surveilance laws in existence which everyone are now clamouring to copy
[18:47] <diddledan> "we're world leaders"
[18:47] <m0nkey_> Then before you know it, BOOM. Everybody has a Telescreen in their living room
[18:48] <diddledan> nowai
[18:49] <zmoylan-pi> why bother when you've trained all the citizens to carry cameras and microphones around with them 24x7
[18:49] <diddledan> I sometimes talk to the people bugging my home
[18:49] <diddledan> the idea is to make them wonder if I know they're listening
[18:50] <daftykins> or scare the children
[18:50] <m0nkey_> Not everyone has a cell phone, especially here.
[18:50] <zmoylan-pi> where's here m0nkey_?
[18:50] <m0nkey_> Anywho
[18:50] <m0nkey_> Canada
[18:50] <diddledan> again, Britain is leading the way on self-surveilance
[18:50] <m0nkey_> You'll be surprised how many people don't have a cell phone here
[18:51] <zmoylan-pi> large spaces still out of coverage i suspect?
[18:51] <m0nkey_> Anywho, I'm going to write a new program this weekend. It's going to generate web browsing noise. Not too much to make look like you're masking something, but just enough to fill their logs up with crap.
[18:51] <diddledan> Britain has the most penetration of cellular surveilance equipment disguised as a phone and has the highest proportion of owners submitting their daily activities to the state social network, Facebook
[18:52] <m0nkey_> In Canada, most of the coverage is located in major cities and along the border (where 95% of the population live)
[18:52] <m0nkey_> When you head north, little or no cell coverage
[18:52] <diddledan> the border is well populated because it's full of Americans who escaped
[18:52] <m0nkey_> Heck, I drove to Guelph from Montreal, about half way, there was no cell coverage.
[18:53] <zmoylan-pi> solar powered mesh connecting mini towers attached to migrating moose... :-P
[18:54] <m0nkey_> And just for fun, I've started reading 1984 again. :)
[18:54] <diddledan> what's the plural of Moose? Meese? Mooses? Mice?
[18:54] <zmoylan-pi> read it out loud so the security services aren't bored on the job
[18:54] <zmoylan-pi> meeses
[18:54] <m0nkey_> diddledan, it's just moose.
[18:55] <m0nkey_> If you lived in Canada, you'd know that.
[18:55] <diddledan> :-p
[18:55] <zmoylan-pi> by the time you've worked out the plural for moose you've been trampled by a herd so saving time is important...
[18:55] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/803837204745306116
[18:56] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/803580527974449152
[18:57] <m0nkey_> I need to follow that account
[18:59] <diddledan> is it really bad that I know where this picture comes from? https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/801944746138554368
[19:00] <diddledan> hint, it's a kids' show
[19:00] <m0nkey_> *sigh*
[19:01] <zmoylan-pi> they're doing a reboot of that show aren't they?
[19:01] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: really?
[19:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD>  
[19:05] <zmoylan-pi> hmm, there was buzz when the 20th anniversary of the show debut rolled around a few months back... http://hollywoodlife.com/2016/09/27/sabrina-the-teenage-witch-anniversary-reboot-melissa-joan-hart/#!
[19:06] <zmoylan-pi> they've rehashed every other mediocre show/movie
[19:07] <daftykins> https://youtu.be/rNk0yTKj0oU
[19:12] <diddledan> interesting that they're using a standard HDD
[19:12] <diddledan> especially as it's only 1TB.
[19:13] <diddledan> I think it would have been better-off by replacing the MSATA SSD with a huge NVMe SSD and getting-rid of the HDD altogether
[19:13] <zmoylan-pi> whilest soldering the ram to the motherboard
[19:14] <daftykins> what makes you say it's mSATA? it's M.2
[19:14] <diddledan> I thought that's what she said
[19:14]  * diddledan re-runs it
[19:15] <diddledan> you're right
[19:15] <diddledan> M.2
[19:15] <daftykins> i mean an M.2 device can still be pinned for SATA or PCIe operation, but i'd hope it's the latter given the age of the device
[19:17] <diddledan> still, it would be better to use a large SSD than the hybrid nonsense
[19:18] <daftykins> yip
[19:18] <daftykins> that whole machine overall is a joke
[19:18] <daftykins> every all-in-one is, really
[19:19] <diddledan> every manufacturer seems to think integration is the best rather than customisation
[19:21] <zmoylan-pi> because apple made a profit doing it
[19:24]  * zmoylan-pi remembers when pc manufacturer ast shortened keyboard cables by 6" to save i think it was 5c per pc.  made their pcs unusable as the cables were too short to reach from under average desk to desk surface.  the keyboard would slide towards the pc
[19:25] <daftykins> was that PS/2 connector days, or DIN?
[19:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what's DIN?
[19:25] <zmoylan-pi> ps/2 at that stage
[19:25] <zmoylan-pi> and a few sockets were damaged by keyboard undertension pulling at the motherboard
[19:26] <diddledan> back then it was common for PCs to be horizontal "desktop" units rather than vertical "tower" units
[19:26] <diddledan> seems everything is tower these days
[19:27] <diddledan> for self-build that is
[19:27] <zmoylan-pi> true but some of their bigger desktops took up too much space so were put on floor on their side
[19:27] <zmoylan-pi> ...and made a nice warm spot under your desk for those winter days
[19:28]  * diddledan remembers his first Windows PC - I skipped 3.1 altogether and jumped direct from an 8086 CPU running DOS to a P133 running Win95
[19:28] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: something to put your feet on :-p
[19:29] <m0nkey_> boo. Can't use my new 1060 until xmas day :(
[19:29] <diddledan> awww :-(
[19:30] <diddledan> swap it anyway and tell the wife the one in the box is still the "new" one
[19:30] <m0nkey_> lol
[19:30] <m0nkey_> I did think about that, but it wouldn't be fair.
[19:30] <m0nkey_> She's not allowed hers until xmas either
[19:30] <daftykins> her what? same card? :P
[19:31] <m0nkey_> No, a new PVR
[19:31] <diddledan> \o/
[19:31] <m0nkey_> She wanted the new one which records 8 channels at any given time
[19:31] <diddledan> you're stuch a good Husband :-)
[19:31] <m0nkey_> PLus it does 4K
[19:31] <m0nkey_> So, next thing will be a 4K TV
[19:31] <diddledan> :-o
[19:31] <diddledan> new TV FTW
[19:31] <diddledan> birthday?
[19:32] <diddledan> :-p
[19:32] <diddledan> course you've just had yours
[19:32] <diddledan> so it'll have to be hers?
[19:32] <daftykins> but what broadcast 4K are you going to get that a PVR can record?
[19:32]  * daftykins blinks
[19:32] <m0nkey_> Didn't get it for the 4K
[19:32] <m0nkey_> got it for the recording
[19:32] <diddledan> prolly does netflix which has some 4K
[19:33] <daftykins> yeah i'm kinda wondering what of a PVR needs to support 4K though
[19:33] <daftykins> unless it's got tuners as a cable box as well or some such
[19:34] <diddledan> if Virgin let you plug your own box into the cable I'd be tempted to get cable
[19:34] <daftykins> surely there's no own box for TV services though
[19:34] <daftykins> if you meant TV
[19:35] <diddledan> well nobody sells them in the UK because Virgin legalese you into not buying them
[19:35] <popey> there are generic cable boxes, but they're generally not supported in the UK
[19:36] <diddledan> I think Virgin scramble the DVB table too, so you need a correction matrix to be able to tune even unencrypted channels
[19:38] <diddledan> it is supposed to be standard DVB-C though so apart from the protection on the channel list you should be able to get off-the-shelf stuff to work
[19:39] <diddledan> the thing with cable though is that it's bi-directional so they will probably be able to see that you've got an illegal device attached
[19:40] <zmoylan-pi> that and you've stopped ringing their complaints department from using their buggy box :-)
[19:41] <diddledan> hah. negative reinforcement
[19:41] <diddledan> "as long as they keep phoning for support we're good"
[19:42] <popey> I had a friend who would modify set top boxes so they didnt call back
[19:42] <popey> that was fun
[19:42] <popey> meant he could use cracked cards
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> *pets his satellite dish*
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> no cards required, AND unscrambled DVB-S(2) signals ;)
[19:43]  * daftykins pats not watching crap
[19:44] <diddledan> \o/
[19:44] <zmoylan-pi> cracked cards and the battle to keep using them took so much time in the 90s
[19:44] <popey> yeah
[19:44] <popey> i remember the 'seasons' software back in the day to decode signals offline to make a key for cards
[19:53] <oliver__> quit
[19:53] <oliver__> \q
[19:54] <oliver__> \quit
[20:06] <brobostigon> https://open.spotify.com/track/7Js4OF5MUb2bqJe09g4uQE :)
[20:20] <m0nkey_> The wife is awesome
[20:20] <m0nkey_> She got home from work 10 mins ago, saw it and said I can use it :D
[20:20] <m0nkey_> Off I go and install
[20:22] <daftykins> woo
[20:50] <m0nkey_> gtx 1060!
[20:50] <m0nkey_> for s&g, i ran the steamvm benchmark, vr ready baby!
[20:51] <daftykins> s&g?
[20:51] <daftykins> yawn VR :P
[20:51] <m0nkey_> gonna run 3dmark now
[20:51] <m0nkey_> back soon
[21:41] <daftykins> and that was the last they heard from m0nkey
[22:15] <m0nkey_> I'm back
[22:15] <m0nkey_> Got a pretty decent bench
[22:15] <daftykins> now for a game! :)
[22:17] <m0nkey_> But can it run Crysis?
[22:17] <daftykins> i lost interest in playing those many moons ago
[22:17] <m0nkey_> I'll re-install Fallout4
[22:17] <m0nkey_> It used to lag on that game
[22:17] <daftykins> what was your last card?
[22:18] <m0nkey_> gtx 960
[22:19] <daftykins> wow that was a tiny upgrade
[22:20] <m0nkey_> it's almost double the performance
[22:21] <zmoylan-pi> scrolling text has never been so responsive :-P
[22:22] <m0nkey_> tested in GTA V, framerate has increased, no more lag which makes it much more enjoyable
[22:22] <Gargoyle> m0nkey_: Happy with it then? I've got the 1060 pegged for a new system build after xmas?
[22:23] <daftykins> yeah, but just surprising for you to upgrade from
[22:23] <daftykins> i went 560Ti -> 1070 :D
[22:23] <m0nkey_> daftykins, i want to get into VR, the 960 was just under the benchmark
[22:24] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wty9j6ttp1d5hqx/4.jpg?dl=0 :D
[22:24] <m0nkey_> would have loved to get the 1070, but there was a $200 price difference
[22:24] <daftykins> where's the 960 headed?
[22:25] <daftykins> yeah i think i paid £360
[22:25] <m0nkey_> it's now in the pc in the living room, replacing an old radeon hd 6850
[22:26] <zmoylan-pi> does it make the pc kick out more heat?
[22:26] <m0nkey_> not really
[22:26] <daftykins> everything newer would be more power efficient than an AMD HD 6850 XD
[22:27] <m0nkey_> less since i took the 6850 out
[23:13] <diddledan> I writted a thing: https://medium.com/@diddledan/advanced-composition-of-polymer-webcomponents-9929788024f9#.x6vyvtoiu
[23:14] <diddledan> I believe I'm a coolkid now I've published on medium?
[23:36] <diddledan> http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/11/30/16000-nutella-found-during-canadian-drug-trafficking-sting/94684600
[23:45] <m0nkey_> lets face it, nutella is f**king delicious