| axw | perrito666: back | 00:52 |
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| blahdeblah | thumper: Updated lp:1645729 with profiling data now | 00:53 |
| perrito666 | axw: sorry persian king, I was having dinner | 01:05 |
| axw | perrito666: np, let me know when you want to talk HA | 01:07 |
| perrito666 | now is a good time | 01:09 |
| perrito666 | axw: ? | 01:16 |
| axw | perrito666: ok, HO? | 01:16 |
| axw | perrito666: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/axw-perrito?authuser=1 | 01:16 |
| perrito666 | going | 01:17 |
| axw | thumper: sorry, I was out yesterday when you pinged me. do you still have questions? | 01:29 |
| thumper | axw: yes... | 01:29 |
| thumper | I'm just making a coffee | 01:29 |
| thumper | I also have some heap profiles that I'd like to talk through with you | 01:30 |
| axw | thumper: okey dokey. I shall make tea then | 01:30 |
| perrito666 | axw: now the x in your nickname makes me suspicious, are you actually named xerces? | 01:30 |
| thumper | axw: one with 25G | 01:30 |
| thumper | of heap | 01:30 |
| axw | perrito666: hah no :) x stands for no middle name | 01:31 |
| perrito666 | I have 25G to discuss with you, that is a first :p | 01:31 |
| thumper | shoulda said yes | 01:31 |
| axw | thumper: that's quite the heap | 01:31 |
| babbageclunk | ha ha, Andrew Xerxes Wilkins would be quite the name. | 01:37 |
| * babbageclunk goes for a run | 01:47 | |
| thumper | axw: let me know when you are ready to talk through this stuff | 01:48 |
| axw | thumper: yep, in a few mins | 01:48 |
| menn0 | thumper, axw, wallyworld: the automatic PR check the bot does seems to failing. it's the lxd tests. is that a known thing? | 01:50 |
| menn0 | Failed to copy file. Source: /var/lib/jenkins/cloud-city/jes-homes/merge-juju-lxd/models/cache.yaml Destination: /var/lib/jenkins/workspace/github-check-merge-juju/artifacts/lxd/controller | 01:50 |
| thumper | not sure ... | 01:50 |
| wallyworld | not that i know of | 01:50 |
| menn0 | maybe that's just a red herring | 01:51 |
| menn0 | apparently the checks failed but that's the closest I see to a failure | 01:51 |
| wallyworld | so long as the merge happens, the pre checks can fail for now IMO | 01:51 |
| alexisb | menn0, thumper I can be here a little bit longer, let me know if there is other info you need https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1646310 | 02:01 |
| mup | Bug #1646310: Model Migration Fails on 3rd attempt <model-migration> <juju:Triaged by menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1646310> | 02:01 |
| === natefinch-afk is now known as natefinch | ||
| alexisb | babbageclunk, ^^^ | 02:01 |
| thumper | alexisb: I'm talking with axw, will leave this for menn0 | 02:01 |
| menn0 | alexisb: that's all the detail I need. thanks. | 02:02 |
| thumper | bradm: ping | 02:19 |
| * redir eods | 02:20 | |
| babbageclunk | alexisb: ok, looking | 02:38 |
| bradm | thumper: pong | 02:56 |
| babbageclunk | menn0 are you chasing alexisb's bug? I'll stop looking if you are. | 03:01 |
| menn0 | babbageclunk: i'm not at the moment was planning on it | 03:01 |
| babbageclunk | wow, it suddenly turned into summer outside! | 03:04 |
| babbageclunk | menn0: Ok, well, I've reproduced it - must be pretty new, because I was doing exactly this bouncing back and forth about a week ago. | 03:17 |
| menn0 | babbageclunk: that's what I was thinking too | 03:17 |
| natefinch | wallyworld: why are we copying this value to a temporary variable and then copying it back? https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/staging/cmd/juju/cloud/addcredential.go#L366 | 03:18 |
| wallyworld | natefinch: it's to do with the logic in the loop which handles fields with file attr set. i'd have to re-read the code | 03:19 |
| natefinch | wallyworld: I guess I don't understand why we copy it, modify some fields, then copy it back, rather than just modifying those fields on the original | 03:20 |
| wallyworld | the currentAttr var is outside the loop | 03:20 |
| wallyworld | it's holds the value from the previous iteration, or something like that | 03:21 |
| wallyworld | and from memory, we need to know that for fields with file attr | 03:21 |
| natefinch | we're copying currentAttr to fileAttr, modifying fileAttr, and then copying fileAttr BACK onto the original currentAttr. Why not just modify currentAttr directly? | 03:22 |
| wallyworld | axw: if you had a moment sometime, i'd appreciate a pre-impl check on this wip https://github.com/wallyworld/juju/compare/cmr-worker-publish-local...wallyworld:cmr-worker-publish-api?expand=1 | 03:22 |
| wallyworld | natefinch: i can't recall off hand anymore | 03:24 |
| natefinch | well, I'll change it and see if the tests still pass :) | 03:24 |
| axw | wallyworld: yup, knee deep in profiles atm, will take a look in a bit | 03:25 |
| wallyworld | axw: no worries, just when you are free. i'll keep progressing regardless as I can work on the facade backend. i'll also need a +1 on reed's review which the wip branches off sorry :-( but whenever is fine as I can keep occupied | 03:27 |
| babbageclunk | Is there a charm that deploys as quickly as ubuntu used to? I think it's great that the new version of ubuntu uses lots more features, but it seems to take ages to deploy. | 03:43 |
| natefinch | babbageclunk: just make your own, it's trivial | 03:46 |
| babbageclunk | natefinch: yeah, good point | 03:46 |
| natefinch | babbageclunk: here's my minimal charm. it's just a directory with this in it: | 03:50 |
| natefinch | $ more min/metadata.yaml | 03:50 |
| natefinch | name: min | 03:50 |
| natefinch | summary: nope | 03:50 |
| natefinch | description: nope | 03:50 |
| natefinch | series: | 03:50 |
| natefinch | - xenial | 03:50 |
| babbageclunk | natefinch: awesome, copied! | 03:51 |
| natefinch | I tried to drop summary and description but the juju yaml nazis yelled at me | 03:51 |
| natefinch | wallyworld: do we actually have any credentials with optional values? | 04:50 |
| wallyworld | openstack - domain | 04:50 |
| wallyworld | that with keystone 3 | 04:50 |
| natefinch | wallyworld: hmm ok | 04:57 |
| axw | wallyworld: I thought we agreed that the worker would talk to its own controller always, and the controller would do the inter-controller connections | 05:27 |
| babbageclunk | axw: ping? | 07:21 |
| axw | babbageclunk: pong | 07:43 |
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| axw | mgz: you on yet? seen today's bot sadness? http://juju-ci.vapour.ws:8080/job/github-merge-juju/9754/artifact/artifacts/trusty-err.log/*view*/ | 08:16 |
| babbageclunk | axw: oops - still around? | 08:54 |
| axw | babbageclunk: yes, not for long though | 08:54 |
| axw | babbageclunk: what's up? | 08:55 |
| babbageclunk | axw: ok, just quickly - I just remembered the nasty patch hack we put in last time we were waiting for a fix to be merged into mgo | 08:55 |
| babbageclunk | axw: do you know about that? | 08:55 |
| axw | babbageclunk: I don't know specifics | 08:56 |
| axw | babbageclunk: I think maybe mgz does? | 08:56 |
| axw | babbageclunk: but I know what you're referring to, if that's enough :) | 08:56 |
| babbageclunk | axw: yeah, he does as well | 08:56 |
| babbageclunk | axw: yeah - you could create a patch there for your mgo change if you want to get it into the release | 08:57 |
| babbageclunk | axw: it's a bit nasty but it'll solve the problem right now. | 08:58 |
| axw | babbageclunk: yup, I think we'll need to do that for now. need to also update my PR with a test, which I expect will be difficult | 08:58 |
| axw | so we can patch it in the meantime, since the change is pretty obvious | 08:59 |
| SimonKLB | anyone got experience working with aws and cpu measurement? seems like cloudwatch is the only reliable tool, and that is kind of a bummer when using juju | 13:04 |
| SimonKLB | from what i've read, when checking for example top, what is showing is the physical core rathe what you have allocated for your vm | 13:05 |
| SimonKLB | so it's not going to give you accurate information if you want to monitor the resource usage | 13:05 |
| mup | Bug #1571457 opened: Juju still vulnerable to CVE-2013-2566, CVE-2015-2808 <juju:Fix Released by natefinch> <juju-core:Fix Committed by natefinch> <juju-core 1.25:Fix Released by natefinch> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1571457> | 13:06 |
| mgz | voidspace: is there any chance you could QA my 2.0 windows ssh branch? rick_h volunteered you :P | 14:03 |
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| SimonKLB | im trying to bootstrap on rackspace but i'm seeing: error info: {"forbidden": {"message": "Policy doesn't allow compute_flavor:create:image_backed to be performed.", "code": 403}} | 14:13 |
| SimonKLB | is rackspace still supported? | 14:13 |
| rick_h | SimonKLB: definitely...not suer about that | 14:14 |
| rick_h | SimonKLB: is this just straight from xenial? trying to do trusty or something? | 14:14 |
| SimonKLB | simple `juju bootstrap rackspace` | 14:15 |
| * rick_h tries | 14:15 | |
| rick_h | SimonKLB: try with --debug and see if anything is fishy in there? | 14:15 |
| SimonKLB | this might be something: juju.provider.openstack cinder.go:501 endpoint "volumev2" not found for "DFW" region, trying "volume" | 14:16 |
| voidspace | mgz: does it require running Windoze? | 14:19 |
| voidspace | mgz: I am happy to do that, it will take me some time as I do not have a windozen box | 14:19 |
| voidspace | mgz: but I have license keys so I can create one | 14:19 |
| voidspace | mgz: rick_h: ^^^^ | 14:20 |
| rick_h | ah, /me forgot about that part | 14:20 |
| voidspace | mgz: rick_h: I believe I still have an MSDN subscription as a python core developer | 14:20 |
| rick_h | voidspace: nvm, this 2.0.2 > * | 14:20 |
| voidspace | rick_h: kk | 14:20 |
| rick_h | voidspace: just figured you might have time to help until hardware access came back, but if it's back nvm | 14:20 |
| voidspace | mgz: sorry | 14:20 |
| rick_h | we'll push natefinch for the help | 14:20 |
| voidspace | rick_h: it is bootstrapping now, it wasn't earlier | 14:21 |
| rick_h | SimonKLB: so took a little bit, but a bootstrap here just worked | 14:21 |
| rick_h | SimonKLB: in the DFW region | 14:21 |
| rick_h | voidspace: k, yay | 14:21 |
| natefinch | hallo | 14:21 |
| SimonKLB | rick_h: that's odd, could it be that i need a certain kind of user type? | 14:21 |
| rick_h | natefinch: any chance of the QA review of mgz's PR up please? | 14:21 |
| voidspace | rick_h: natefinch dissapproves of your choice of telegram for secure communication | 14:21 |
| rick_h | SimonKLB: yea, I was just trying to look at what can be set on a user. | 14:21 |
| rick_h | SimonKLB: because the error is a "not authorized 403" styl;e | 14:22 |
| voidspace | rick_h: natefinch says it is insecure by default and we should use signal instead | 14:22 |
| natefinch | also telegram rolled their own crypto... very big no no | 14:22 |
| rick_h | voidspace: natefinch :P well don't send me your password in it but I've got it running with a couple dozen folks that I'm not interested in migrating one by one | 14:22 |
| * rick_h thinks folks should just use hangouts but wtf | 14:22 | |
| natefinch | for regular communication about BS work and home stuff, yeah, just use whatever | 14:23 |
| voidspace | rick_h: you're the one who said we should install telegram for the sprint! | 14:23 |
| voidspace | but sure | 14:23 |
| rick_h | voidspace: yea, because that's where I've got other folks already | 14:23 |
| rick_h | I had to be converted | 14:23 |
| voidspace | I just like debate and I like to understand the state of the art | 14:23 |
| rick_h | now you all suffer my lack of a spine to fight for anything else :P | 14:24 |
| rick_h | ah, yea it's network effect | 14:24 |
| voidspace | and I agree that encryption is probably not a super-high priority for work chat | 14:24 |
| macgreagoir | natefinch: +1 for Signal | 14:24 |
| rick_h | "team, let's meet for dinner in the lobby at 7pm" | 14:24 |
| rick_h | oh noes! the NSA knows when to send the drone! | 14:24 |
| voidspace | but do we want the NSA joining us | 14:24 |
| rick_h | voidspace: maybe they'll pick up the bill? | 14:24 |
| voidspace | even if the NSA aren't listening the googlebots are | 14:25 |
| natefinch | to be fair, we're talking on a channel that is *publicly logged* right now. | 14:25 |
| * rick_h waits for ads to start showing up for signal | 14:26 | |
| natefinch | signal is 100% funded by donations and grants .... another plus for it. they're not *trying* to make money | 14:27 |
| natefinch | sorry.. I just did a bunch of research on this stuff the day before yesterday | 14:27 |
| perrito666 | natefinch: rick_h voidspace just do as I did and come to live to nobodycaresaboutusland | 14:27 |
| natefinch | lol | 14:28 |
| SimonKLB | rick_h: found this https://community.rackspace.com/developers/f/7/t/5143 | 14:28 |
| voidspace | perrito666: :-) | 14:28 |
| SimonKLB | rick_h: "The problem appears to stem from the fact that you are trying to create a compute flavor which does not come with a boot disk. That error means that you have provided an image to use when building the server, but that the server does not have a boot disk." | 14:28 |
| voidspace | perrito666: bring me treasures from your wonderful homeland to Barcelona | 14:28 |
| natefinch | being boring is definitely your best defense | 14:28 |
| voidspace | perrito666: probably waaaay too late for that now though | 14:28 |
| rick_h | SimonKLB: reading | 14:29 |
| perrito666 | voidspace: actually I looked for your stone, but local hippies became too lazy and they all build the same cheap jewlery instead | 14:29 |
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| voidspace | perrito666: fair enough, no pressure dude | 14:32 |
| rick_h | SimonKLB: ummm, I'm not sure what to do with that tbh. So Juju is handling this and it works here just as with the same command you ran. So should be same image/constraints and so no disk available? Some sort of timing issue? | 14:32 |
| rick_h | SimonKLB: can you try another region? | 14:33 |
| voidspace | perrito666: just find me incredible treasure some day, some time - that's all I ask ;-) | 14:33 |
| SimonKLB | rick_h: sure, if you run it using --debug, do you also see: endpoint "volumev2" not found for "DFW" region, trying "volume" ? | 14:33 |
| SimonKLB | else it might be that you have access to something that i don't | 14:33 |
| rick_h | SimonKLB: retrying my bootstrap with --debug to see | 14:34 |
| SimonKLB | thanks | 14:34 |
| rick_h | SimonKLB: https://pastebin.canonical.com/172476/ nothing like that I can see in there | 14:36 |
| SimonKLB | "You do not currently have access to the pastebin." | 14:36 |
| perrito666 | voidspace: you european folks always wanting to find treasures in latin america :p | 14:36 |
| rick_h | ah sorry | 14:36 |
| * rick_h copies better | 14:36 | |
| rick_h | SimonKLB: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23563481/ take 2 | 14:36 |
| SimonKLB | rick_h: looks like youre running some kind of local binary? | 14:38 |
| SimonKLB | mine says: juju.environs.bootstrap tools.go:74 found 16 packaged agent binaries | 14:39 |
| rick_h | SimonKLB: ah, true sorry. I forget to check out of the dev version | 14:39 |
| * rick_h goes back and tries again with the released version this time | 14:39 | |
| voidspace | perrito666: I want to find treasures everywhere | 14:42 |
| voidspace | rick_h: I have to skip standup - minor family emergency | 14:43 |
| voidspace | rick_h: nothing serious, difficult kid, tired wife | 14:43 |
| voidspace | rick_h: you know where I'm at | 14:43 |
| voidspace | rick_h: just finished deploy with vanilla 2.0.1 and the four bundles and *all four bundles worked* (cores allocated) | 14:44 |
| voidspace | rick_h: that's new and different from before | 14:44 |
| voidspace | rick_h: now tearing down and will repeat with 2.0.2 | 14:44 |
| voidspace | rick_h: if that *doesn't* work then I finally have a real repro and something to work with | 14:44 |
| rick_h | voidspace: rgr take care of the fam | 14:46 |
| voidspace | 2.0.2 bootstrap in progress | 14:47 |
| frankban | hey, is anyone available for reviewing https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6639 ? quick branch, thanks! | 14:47 |
| mgz | natefinch: so, I was mistaken about the ci status for add-credential, we have test coverage of autoload-credential but not add-credential | 15:44 |
| mgz | so I don't think your current branch with affect that. | 15:44 |
| rick_h | katco: can you please lookg at frankban's branch above? ^ | 15:55 |
| katco | rick_h: sec, talking with natefinch | 15:56 |
| rick_h | katco: rgr ty | 15:56 |
| mup | Bug #1646524 opened: Excessive logging in juju-db <canonical-bootstack> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1646524> | 15:57 |
| frankban | uiteam call now | 16:00 |
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| katco | frankban|afk: you have a review | 16:26 |
| === frankban|afk is now known as frankban | ||
| frankban | katco: that was just a quick way forward. supporting constraints only as strings introduces a backward incompatibility in the API, and we already have config and configYAML in those same calls | 17:01 |
| frankban | katco: oh, and thanks for the review ;-) | 17:01 |
| katco | frankban: we can version the facade can't we? | 17:02 |
| frankban | katco: yes we can, not sure is worth for this branch | 17:02 |
| katco | frankban: we are already drowning in our technical debt, so i am going to take the stance that we need to do it correct the first time instead of continuing to paper over problems | 17:04 |
| katco | frankban: a manager-type is free to override my judgment ;) | 17:04 |
| frankban | katco: ok, no problem, as I said, this was only an attempt. if we need to go for the non-shortcut solution, I'll try to find another bigger slot in the future, maybe after everyone is ok with the plan | 17:06 |
| katco | frankban: sorry to be contrarian. we have just taken the "quick fix" route for so long it's now preventing us from doing new things | 17:07 |
| frankban | katco: no problem, I am no particularly attached to this solution or another, it just felt natural to me given we already have config and configYAML, didn't realize that's considered tech debt, but I can see the reasons | 17:09 |
| katco | frankban: but specifically in a PR for this, i would be looking for supporting only one approach, and also to make a stab at true unit tests. | 17:09 |
| frankban | katco: why do you prefer stubs lately? time consuming tests? | 17:09 |
| katco | frankban: the config is certainly precedent. i don't know whether it's good or bad :) | 17:09 |
| katco | frankban: i have only been advocating for them lately, i have always preferred them for unit tests. here's why: http://martinfowler.com/bliki/TestPyramid.html | 17:10 |
| katco | frankban: you don't *only* want stubs, but full-stack as the bottom of the pyramid is a death-sentence. we are experiencing that atm. things are too brittle; tests take something like 100-600% longer to write/fix than the code | 17:11 |
| katco | frankban: this is also very good: https://testing.googleblog.com/2015/04/just-say-no-to-more-end-to-end-tests.html | 17:12 |
| frankban | katco: I'll read those, thanks! | 17:13 |
| katco | frankban: ty for the discussion and open-mind. sorry again for the friction | 17:13 |
| perrito666 | brb errands | 18:16 |
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| redir | /me runs errands...bbiab | 19:30 |
| mup | Bug #1646590 opened: Adding machine fails for Power8 node with permanent pending status <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1646590> | 19:33 |
| * redir really goes now | 19:48 | |
| babbageclunk | natefinch: looking at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6645 | 20:12 |
| natefinch | babbageclunk: it's a WIP, so like, right now, there's no tests for a couple of the new functions I added | 20:12 |
| babbageclunk | natefinch: oh ok - should I hold off? | 20:13 |
| natefinch | babbageclunk: probably. I mean, it's totally functional, but I'll need to add a few tests | 20:13 |
| babbageclunk | natefinch: duh, I totally blanked on the WIP at the start. | 20:15 |
| rick_h | natefinch: or katco either of you up for some pair wtf'ing with me on a bug please? | 20:28 |
| natefinch | rick_h: I love WTFnig | 20:28 |
| natefinch | ing | 20:28 |
| rick_h | natefinch: yay! a party it is then | 20:28 |
| rick_h | natefinch: meet you in ?core when you're free | 20:29 |
| balloons | can someone +1 https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6646? | 20:41 |
| balloons | and katco, re: tests; Amen! | 20:43 |
| katco | balloons: :) | 20:43 |
| * redir back | 21:08 | |
| thumper | morning | 21:09 |
| redir | thumper: o/ | 21:09 |
| balloons | happy Friday to those celebrating it | 21:14 |
| babbageclunk | I liked this: https://hypothes.is/blog/code-review-in-remote-teams/ | 21:16 |
| babbageclunk | (In my experience our team's good at this.) | 21:18 |
| babbageclunk | I mean, the Juju team as a whole, not the subteams. | 21:18 |
| alexisb | babbageclunk, that is a great article, I haev not seen that before | 21:30 |
| babbageclunk | alexisb: I like the idea that reviews should be good for team cohesion and morale - I've definitely worked in places where that wasn't true. | 21:32 |
| alexisb | babbageclunk, agreed, also the bits on positive input and not doing the bare minimum | 21:33 |
| alexisb | people put time into their code, reviews should reflect the effort | 21:33 |
| alexisb | babbageclunk, is this bug still valid?: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1620438 | 21:53 |
| mup | Bug #1620438: model-migration pre-checks failed to catch issue: not idle <ci> <intermittent-failure> <regression> <juju:Triaged by menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1620438> | 21:53 |
| babbageclunk | alexisb: not sure - sounds related to something thumper was looking into? | 21:58 |
| babbageclunk | alexisb: it sounds like the presence bug thumper was talking about can mean that the precheck could succeed when the interactive command runs, but then fail when the migration is actually starting. | 22:00 |
| babbageclunk | maybe> | 22:00 |
| babbageclunk | ? | 22:00 |
| thumper | yeah | 22:01 |
| thumper | but I fixed that | 22:01 |
| alexisb | thumper, can you comment on teh bug please | 22:01 |
| * thumper goes to the bug | 22:01 | |
| thumper | oh yeah | 22:01 |
| thumper | fixed that | 22:01 |
| anastasiamac | thumper: PR that fixes it would be an awesome addition as a comment on the bug :D | 22:05 |
| thumper | :P | 22:06 |
| alexisb | thank you thumper :) | 22:08 |
| alexisb | rick_h, anastasiamac I need to change locations, may be just a few minutes late to our release call | 22:09 |
| perrito666 | brb, anothe rerrand | 22:11 |
| anastasiamac | alexisb: k | 22:12 |
| axw | jam: you're probably all over this, but: https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/new-ipv6-support-for-ec2-instances-in-virtual-private-clouds/ | 23:32 |
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