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guille1I'm able to download the index page00:00
Ben64then it works00:01
guille1Ben64: but it doesn't... :/00:01
Ben64you were able to get the site via wget00:01
sarnoldrestart your browser perhaps/00:01
sarnoldcheck your /etc/hosts on the machine with the brwoser to make sure that you didn't fake it up for a bit? :)00:02
guille1sarnold: I'm using a proxy to check it from outside00:02
naccsarnold: feels like you're speaking from experience :)00:02
guille1it doesn't load00:02
guille1I did the wget from within the same server... I think that means I cheated a bit00:03
sarnoldnacc: *ahem* me no I never make mistakes no never! :)00:03
Ben64yeah, you need to wget from outsite ....00:03
Ben64what's the website00:04
naccsarnold: that's my operating assumption now :)00:04
sarnolduhoh :)00:04
guille1I can't really do wget from here00:05
guille1I'll get intercepted by the router when I come back00:05
Ben64ok so what's the site00:05
guille1https://guillermourcera.com00:05
Ben64yep, doesn't work00:06
guille1Any ideas? It worked wine until a couple of days ago, and I can load other sites on the same server just fine00:07
Ben6480/tcp filtered http00:07
guille1it's really weird00:07
Ben64you need to open the port00:07
Ben64and probably stop trying to run a site from a home connection00:08
guille1Ben64: open port 80? isn't it open on "Nginx  Full" ? Also, if I'm only using https don't I just need 443?00:09
Ben64443/tcp filtered https00:10
Ben64you should have both open00:10
Ben64and really, stop running servers at home00:10
sarnoldAll 1000 scanned ports on guillermourcera.com (2.136.41.191) are filtered00:22
sarnoldhehe yeah looks like a firewall somewhere is unhappy00:22
Pinkamena_Dhello, I am looking for a way to install Latex with a working package manager (system wide), is this possible?00:37
jgeHey all, anyone know why in ubuntu 16.04 I'm seeing a bunch of "permission denied" when I do 'sudo find / -name blah'00:37
jgeI'm getting it when I run command as root too00:38
sarnoldPinkamena_D: apt-get install texlive-latex-base   should get you a working pdflatex command. Of course you may need more packages depending upon what your documents require.00:39
sarnoldjge: for which files/directories?00:39
Pinkamena_Dsarnold: Thank you, my issue is that I am trying to install the 'tracklang' package for all users. Using the 'tlmgr' program I can only install it for one user.00:41
jgesarnold: lstat() failed for /var/lib/lxcfs/cgroup/blkio/blkio.reset_stats:Permission denied lstat() failed for /var/lib/lxcfs/cgroup/blkio/init.scope/blkio.reset_stats:Permission denied00:41
Pinkamena_Dsarnold: Also using the 'how to manually install a package' instructions I encountered other missing packages which are dependencies, so I assume going down that route will be a nightmare00:42
sarnoldPinkamena_D: the texlive-generic-extra package claims to have tracklang00:42
jgethat's an output from aide by the way which is giving a lot of permission denied errors as well00:42
jgeI have the same exact set up using 14.04 and not seeing it00:42
Pinkamena_DI did $ apt-file search "tracklang.sty" and got no results, was this incorrect?00:42
Pinkamena_D ; how did you find that package?00:43
sarnoldPinkamena_D: hmm is your apt-file up-to-date? mine wasn't, but after updating it, I find: $ apt-file show texlive-generic-extra | grep tracklang.sty00:44
sarnoldtexlive-generic-extra: /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/tracklang/tracklang.sty00:44
sarnoldPinkamena_D: I ran 'apt-cache search tracklang' to find the package name00:44
sarnoldjge: curious. I wonder how that happens. :) what filesystem type is mounted there?00:45
Pinkamena_Dahh, apt-cache - I will keep that in mind, thanks! ; So I guess the idea in general is to just pray that the packages are in one of the ubuntu .debs , then?00:46
sarnoldthat's been my approach to latex packages for sure :)00:47
sarnoldI never got the hang of their 'native' packaging thingy..00:47
Pinkamena_Dsarnold: ok, I appreciate it. Have a good night!00:49
sarnoldyou too, have fun :)00:49
jgesarnold: it's ext400:50
jgeweird issue, fresh install too00:50
sarnoldjge: _really_? I was expecting either cgroups or lxcfs. I wasn't sure which one to expect.00:52
jgehmm yeah I dont know whats going on00:55
jgesarnold: not to be annoying but do you happen to have a fresh install of ubuntu server 16 around you can test something for me?01:04
sarnoldjge: let me spin on up01:05
jgeawesome, thank you01:05
sarnoldjge: alright, it's up01:11
jgesarnold: could you as root run, 'find / -name blah'01:11
jgedo you get any permission denied messages?01:12
sarnoldjge: all the same stuff in /var/lib/lxcfs/cgroup/01:13
jgesarnold: ok, so it's not something I did..01:14
sarnoldlxcfs on /var/lib/lxcfs type fuse.lxcfs ....01:15
sarnoldjge: yeah. lxcfs over fuse makes sense to me, that's the most luikely thing to return permissionm denied to root, woot01:15
jgesarnold: not sure I understood that last line, so is this normal?01:17
jgemy aide reports are also getting a bunch of permission denied on /var/lib/lxcfs and /run/lxcfs01:18
sarnoldjge: yeah, it probably only makes sense 'within' a container of some sort01:18
sarnoldfeel free to tell aide to skip all those01:18
jgeyeah I'll tell it to ignore01:19
jgethanks for looking into that sarnold01:19
sarnoldmy pleasure, I was curious too :)01:20
jge;)01:20
EvilAngelI missed the message but the 16.04 lts server install doesn't boot on an ibm x3850 m202:32
EvilAngelI think the 16.10 does, but I'm checking now02:32
EvilAngelmight be needing iommu=soft03:04
nedbatLooking at this page: http://releases.ubuntu.com/xenial/ , it seems like there's a bunch of text copied and pasted at the top... Am I misunderstanding something?  There used to be an "alternate install", is that just gone for Xenial?03:04
sarnoldeww :)03:06
OerHeksnedbat, for a long time now, mini iso and netinstall are your choise03:07
nedbatOerHeks: any idea why that page has the same paragraphs three times?03:07
EvilAngelI see the same03:08
EvilAngeltwo desktops and 3 servers03:08
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OerHeksnedbat, page is borked indeed, multiple links to .iso and .img03:09
sarnoldsome of it is because there's 16.04 and 16.04.1 links in the different paragraphs03:10
OerHeksoh, that clears it up03:11
sarnoldwell, it explains four of the five paragraphs :) the doubled server 16.04 links still dont make sense03:11
sarnoldand it's probably not right no matter what, I think just 16.04.1 links alone would be best03:12
nedbat¯\_(ツ)_/¯03:15
sarnoldthanks nedbat, I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/164633503:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1646335 in Ubuntu CD Images "duplicated text on http://releases.ubuntu.com/xenial/" [Undecided,New]03:51
seyeongkimcoreycb, yes. and I re-uploaded debdiff for Kilo.04:18
Pinkamena_DI have used ubuntu on my HTPC for a few years, all is usually well but with a few videos there is some low framerate issues. I just switched out the TV so I can no longer use the S-video out from the old vidoe card and I need to buy a new card with HDMI. Any recommendations of a good card for linux which would be able to make use of hardware acceleration?04:25
Pinkamena_Doops wrong channel04:27
masberhiyesterday04:36
masberyesterday suddenly the remote host identification was changed04:37
masberis this something to do with the "Packages that will be upgraded: python-cryptography vim vim-common vim-runtime vim-tiny" entry I see in the unatended-upgrades log file?04:38
masberhello04:47
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lordievaderGood morning08:06
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danpawlikHello, why in dpkg buildpackage for python project, in building its only include *py files without others ?11:24
thekrynnany reason why duplicating a file on an NFS store to the same directory its in triggers a read/write of that data over the network? I thought NFS was smarter than that11:36
GargoyleDon't think so. It's your machine copying the bits!11:41
zulcoreycb: neutron was buidling fine last night....now ostestr is tracebacking out12:58
coreycbzul, yeah it was ok eod yest12:58
zulcoreycb: yeah ill take a look at it when i get in (offically)12:59
coreycbzul, ok thanks12:59
zulcoreycb: although i dont see why it should12:59
coreycbdanpawlik, you may need a manifest file.  although for openstack projects they're starting to drop their manifest because python-pbr is supposed to do the right thing.13:02
danpawlikcoreycb: thanks13:05
danpawlikcoreycb: one more question: http://paste.openstack.org/show/591118/13:07
danpawlikAnd other people who are here: why cloud archive package have debian/nova-common.postinst have the condition with " ! "  http://paste.openstack.org/show/591118/13:08
danpawlik 13:08
coreycbdanpawlik, i think the idea behind that was to leave db migration to the user or config management on non default installs13:09
coreycbdanpawlik, by default it uses an sqlite db but you wouldn't use that in production13:09
danpawlikcoreycb: sure, but in first condition it try to run it on compute node, where is no "connection" and sqlite connection params. Only controller should have it so I guess it's a bug13:12
coreycbdanpawlik, yeah that doesn't seem ideal.  does it cause any issues though?  btw we've talked about dropping the default sqlite db's recently but i think we need to get an exception because services wouldn't start by default.13:17
danpawlikcoreycb: normally not. I will not find it but one of my compute hosts was failing and I was wondering why.  Now I thinking that condition is bad... I don't know if other people have the same error.. Google doesn't show some interesting posts/errors reported on forums.13:20
coreycbdanpawlik, you should be able to just delete the sqlite db after install13:21
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cpaelzerrbasak: could you usdi import ntp for me?13:31
cpaelzerrbasak: I get a ERROR:ubuntu/devel is not a defined object in this git repository, but then the latest Debian is also missing - so maybe a refreshed import will fix it all13:33
cpaelzernacc: ^^ in case you are on unexpectedly early :-)13:34
rbasakTrying13:40
cpaelzerrbasak: let me know if a clone works cleanly for you afterwards - it might be that "my" lpmep has an effect since I merged ntp last time13:44
cpaelzerlogwatch behaves the same for me :-/13:46
rbasakcpaelzer: done, and "usd clone ntp" works for me too.13:58
cpaelzerrbasak: tks, checking on my side now13:59
rbasakDoing logwatch13:59
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cpaelzerrbasak: seems to work now for ntp14:01
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zioprotoI guess this is very basic15:08
zioprotoneutron.notifiers.nova MissingAuthPlugin: An auth plugin is required to determine endpoint URL15:08
KlausedSourcehey guys, i got a question. i got a network printer. i want 1 spool for 1 kind of paper and another 1 for the other kind. the printer always has both kinds of paper.15:11
KlausedSourcewhen i install a printer with cups i need to enter the IP. can i just go and make a "duplicate" entry with the same IP?15:11
ddellavcoreycb I'm rebaseing neutron now, but i noticed the version number has the 0ubuntu1.16.10.1 should I carry that forward?15:40
ddellavcoreycb also neither neutron nor neutron-lbaas have any changes in the git log or changelog since last month at the latest.15:43
ddellavfor stable/newton that is15:43
coreycbddellav, you can use 2:9.1.1-0ubuntu115:44
coreycbnow that zesty has moved on to 10.0.0*15:44
ddellavok15:44
coreycbddellav, are you able to import the released upstream tarball?15:44
ddellavcoreycb yes, without even having to use replace merge mode15:45
coreycbddellav, ok15:45
cpaelzernacc: I'll quickly do logwatch merge (seems very very minor) - let me know if you already started15:46
cpaelzerrbasak: nacc: fyi I also just completed NTP and sent a MP for your review queue15:47
am0nrahxAnyone know of an alternative to this? https://linux-dash.github.io/16:00
am0nrahxfor Windows16:00
tewardam0nrahx: wrong channel for Windows16:01
tewardtry ##windows16:01
am0nrahxFigured someone in here would know since that's a linux utility, but ill try ther.16:01
tewardthis isn't a Windows channel though :p16:01
zulcoreycb: " oslo_db.exception.DBNonExistentTable: (sqlite3.OperationalError) no such table: floatingipdnses [SQL: u'DELETE FROM floatingipdnses']"16:04
nacccpaelzer: nice!16:17
ddellavcoreycb neutron and neutron-lbaas rebased16:42
coreycbddellav, ok16:48
ddellavcoreycb ironic-inspector rebased on new repo and available16:55
coreycbddellav, did ironic-inspector build ok?16:58
ddellavcoreycb yes, on xenial and yakkety17:01
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coreycbddellav, neutron pushed/uploaded.  neutron-lbaas looks to be a no-op.17:12
DatzHi, I'm having an issue where I can only reach my apache server from outside of the local network. If I use the domain name from within the network, I get ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED, but if I use a local IP, I get some text through, but it looks as though css doesn't make it through (no structure or images). Am I correct in assuming that this is a apach2 configuration problem?17:13
DatzThougth it was the router, but I've just relpaced the old one, and the problem remains.17:24
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zulcoreycb: doh....maybe....https://github.com/openstack/oslo.db/commit/e03b0dd06940a9262d90ec2699a4452835c05b5618:40
ddellavcoreycb zul are you guys aware of any issues with nova in newton? I can't get it to build binaries even as-is on xenial or yakkety locally. I'm running it in my ppa just to check but something is up.19:05
zulddellav: no im not19:08
zulcoreycb: yeah oslo.db regression19:36
monsunewas it a good idea to install 15.04 server? or should i rather go for 14 or 16?19:38
tarpmanmonsune: 15.04 reached end of life back in february and hasn't received any security updates since then. you should not use it any more19:41
tarpmanmonsune: for a new system you should use either 16.04 (if you want to install it and leave it) or 16.10 (if you're ok with upgrading to a new release every 6 months)19:41
tarpmanmonsune: support lifetimes are documented here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases19:41
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monsunetarpman thank you very much, that was a precise info :)19:43
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monsunejust not understanding why 15 reached end of life while 14 is still being updated?19:44
naccmonsune: LTS versus non-LTS19:44
monsuneso does it mean that 14 will, in fact, have newer packages, than 15?19:45
sarnoldmonsune: every two years we release a version that we'll support for five years. every six months we release something that we support for nine months.19:45
monsunei basically didn't want 16 and wanted something most recent below that19:45
naccmonsune: no19:45
monsunesarnold oh hm19:46
naccmonsune: 15.04 and 15.10 are irrelevant to talk about at this point, they are no longer supported releases19:46
naccmonsune: you absolutely should not install 15.*19:46
monsuneso many versions... this is really confusing :/19:46
naccmonsune: what is confusing?19:47
naccmonsune: first of all, don't say '15' or '14', they are not Ubuntu versions19:47
monsunenacc ok so looks like my first step it to wipe 15, but not really sure what's next...19:47
naccmonsune: second of all, 14.04 is an LTS (so supported for 5 years), as is 16.04 (and 18.04 will be)19:47
naccmonsune: all other releases are supported for only 9 months19:47
tarpmanmonsune: 14.04 for the most part has the same versions it has when it was released. a stable release receives targeted fixes for important bugs, and security fixes, but that's it for the most part. new software is generally (with only a few exceptions) not added to an existing release19:47
tarpmanmonsune: if you're not sure, just go with 16.04 LTS19:48
monsunean example what is confusing to me: 14.04.1, 14.04.2, 14.04.3, 14.04.4, 14.04.5... and all maintained and supported separately. why is that? i'm sure it makes sense but i'm still not getting it.19:48
naccmonsune: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack19:50
sarnoldthe .2, .3, .4, .5, are mostly just newer kernels with newer hardware support19:50
sarnoldit's 99.99% the same packages19:50
naccmonsune: at this point, only 14.04.0, 14.04.1 and 14.04.5 are supported19:50
monsunetarpman my problem with 16 is php7 that i don't want at the moment but at the same time i don't have access to newest packages if i decide for 14 so this is really hard choice for me19:50
naccmonsune: you don't have the 'latest' packages in 16.04 either (again stop saying '16')19:50
monsuneoh so those are different kernels mostly, ok got it.19:50
nacc!latest | monsune19:51
ubottumonsune: Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, so "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa.19:51
monsunei should say newer packages in 16.04 compared to 14.0419:51
naccmonsune: kernels and X stack, yeah19:51
monsunei wonder about various libs also, etc.19:52
naccmonsune: yes, they will be "newer" in 16.04 than 14.0419:52
naccmonsune: generally; specific packages will get more specific responses19:52
monsunewish i came here to ask for advice before i went with 15.04 (or was it 15.10)19:53
naccmonsune: when did you do that?19:54
naccmonsune: as in, when did you do that install19:54
monsune2 days ago19:54
naccmonsune: where did you download those from?19:54
monsunebut does it mean that currently supported 14.04 will have newer security updates than 15.04/10?19:54
sarnoldmonsune: if your applications can't use php7 yet then it's probably best to stick with 14.04 LTS19:54
naccmonsune: 15.04 and 15.10 are not supported and don't get any updates!19:54
monsunewell many of them can't19:54
monsunei'm just not ready for php719:55
monsuneat the same time i'm sure i could "profit" from 16.04 in many ways but looks like i'm somehow forced to use 14.0419:55
naccmonsune: to have 2 days ago installed 15.04 or 15.10 feels like you had to go out of your way (or not updated your installer USB or whatever): http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/19:55
monsuneso that's why i thought 15.04/10 would be a good choice...19:55
monsune"newer than 14.04, older than 16.04 but still good enough for me" while it came out to be absolutely wrong :)19:56
sarnold15.04 hasn't gotten any security updates since february; 15.10 hasn't gotten any security updates since july19:56
monsunenacc i just downloaded 15.04 (or .10) from some mirror and installed it19:57
naccmonsune: that's ridiculous19:57
sarnold14.04 LTS got a security update a few hours ago :) https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3133-1/19:57
monsunewhy? i think the naming scheme is simply confusing19:57
monsuneversioning*19:57
naccmonsune: you downloaded a, potentially, random ISO from some mirror, without checking what was supported or not?19:57
monsunesarnold so in fact that "old" 14.04 LTS got more security than "newer" 15.04 :)19:57
monsunenacc it's an official mirror listed at your website19:58
monsunethey have 15.04/10 there so why not19:58
monsunei guess you should just remove 15.04/10 everywhere if it is so bad to use it19:58
naccwho is this "you"?19:58
monsunethat's my opinion from an ubuntu noob, the way i see it19:59
monsunei addressed that to someone who previously said "we release"19:59
rbasakThey usually do get moved to old-releases, but I believe there are complex reasons why 15.10 in particular hasn't been moved (Ubuntu phones)19:59
sarnoldmonsune: other projects often designate one or two versions as an "lts" version that they'll support for longer-than-normal, and other versions are "short-term" releases that they support for only a short while19:59
monsunerbasak oh ok so that's why20:00
rbasakBut there always be a period of time after a release is end-of-life but before it has been moved. You shouldn't rely on it.20:00
monsuneyeah but seriously, it seemed so logical to use 15.04/10 if 16.04 was "too good" for me and 14.04 just seemed "too old"...20:01
monsune15 > 1420:01
monsunewhile i totally missed the LTS thing which in fact makes 14 > 15.20:01
naccmonsune: i feel by your logic, then, old versions of software should not be on github either, because they are discoverable. Yes, you have to spend some effort to konw what's supported or not. You could also just look at www.ubuntu.com to get the current supported version(s).20:01
monsuneseriously, no trolling here or anything, that's just how i see it and decided to share with you20:02
naccmonsune: I think that misses the point (14 > 15) -- it's that 14.04 is supported still and 15.04/15.10 are not.20:02
monsuneas i said previously - i should really ask in here before installing20:02
naccor just read the ubuntu website?20:03
monsuneyeah i should study it all, there was lots of time pressure though20:03
naccyou were under so much time pressure, you couldn't check if you downloaded a supported version? that seems crazy to me.20:04
nacci think i'm done talking about this20:04
monsuneso i really wasn't thinking much: "hm 15 > 14, cool with me"20:04
monsunenacc it wasn't even in "unsupported" section first of all20:04
naccmonsune: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases20:06
naccmonsune: so ... it was20:06
tarpmanmonsune: where did you even find a 15.05/15.10 image? https://www.ubuntu.com/download/server only lists 16.04 and 16.1020:06
monsunethis is where i went to grab it: http://de.releases.ubuntu.com20:07
monsunecan you tell from what you see that it wasn't supported and a nono to download?20:08
tarpmanright... guess that falls under what rbasak said earlier (still there because reasons)20:08
tarpmanyeah, that's not ideal20:08
monsunecompared to this mirror: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/20:08
monsuneif i went to .se instead of .de i would not use 15 now for sure20:08
monsunebecause they removed it there and that would catch my attention absolutely20:09
naccthat only shows you waht they host20:09
naccnot what is supported20:09
monsuneunluckily i clicked on Germany and that's how i got 15...20:09
nacci feel like you're missing the point altogether20:09
monsuneno, i just don't have experience with this versioning scheme20:10
sarnoldno matter how the version numbers are assinged it's always a good idea to ask "how long is this supported?" :)20:10
monsuneso i was thinking: "if 14.04 is still supported than 15 would be as well for sure"20:10
monsuneand "why use 14.04 if i can get newer libs etc. in 15.04"20:11
monsunereally, nothing to add here :) that's how it went20:11
sarnoldhehe20:11
monsunesaw it, grabbed it, installed it20:11
rbasakmonsune: Ubuntu was early in the LTS thing, but many things in our ecosystem work the same way. Linux kernel versions for example.20:11
rbasakThere are intermediate Linux versions that are not supported, but ones either side that are, for exactly the same reason.20:12
monsunenow i'm laughing too, shit happens :) will backup, wipe, reinstall with 14.04 and things will be good :)20:12
rbasakTo participate in our ecosystem you really just need to know to look up support lifetimes, sorry.20:12
monsunei just didn't realize about the LTS thing20:12
sarnoldand no doubt about it the HWE versioning is bloody confusing20:12
rbasakYou just fell in a gap by knowing enough to go straight to a mirror but not enough to look up support lifetimes.20:13
rbasakFor example start from www.ubuntu.com and you get to https://www.ubuntu.com/download/server which makes it clear.20:13
monsuneof course i don't deny that it was solely my fault, not blaming anyone but myself, still i stand the ground with the versioning scheme being slightly confusing to noobs and it shouldn't be20:13
sarnoldwe're also changing the HWE slightly for 16.04 LTS in a way that I hope makes it less confusing, once the older HWEs are finally gone :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack20:14
naccmonsune: the versioning scheme makes complete sense. It tells you when something was released.20:14
naccmonsune: it gives you no more information than that20:14
monsunei typed in google: ubuntu mirrors and clicked 3rd result: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads20:14
monsunethen i scrolled to select nearest mirror and that's it20:15
monsunemaybe i would read up more if i wasn't tired and time pressured20:15
naccmonsune: you also didn't read the top of the page20:16
monsunei did20:16
naccmonsune: http://de.releases.ubuntu.com/, "the following release of Ubuntu are available"20:16
monsuneit wasn't really convencing not to download 15.04 :)20:16
naccmonsune: again, just because a file is hosted on a website, that doesn't mean *anything*20:16
monsunewhy isn't there big, fat 15.04 listed in grey with *unsupported* tag?20:17
monsunethat would really help some people imho20:17
nacci've not heard of anyone else running into this problem20:17
monsuneso everyone clearly knows what isn't supported anymore20:17
monsuneheck, there is even 12.04 LTS available :) why wouldn't i believe that 15.04 was supported too?20:19
naccbecause it's not listed on the 'following releases' list20:19
naccyou made a huge assumption about something fairly important20:19
monsuneand those big names are for torrent so i skipped that completely as i wasn't using torrent to download - thus i ended up in mirrors and de mirror in particular20:20
naccmonsune: *what* are you talkinga bout? http://de.releases.ubuntu.com/20:20
naccmonsune: read the first 5 lines20:20
monsunei might be just dumb but really, adding clear info there that 15.04/10 isn't supported anymore would help some people for sure20:20
naccmonsune: or, as is done now, only use ones that are listed20:21
monsunesomeone should look into download stats and see how many people download 15.04/1020:21
naccreally, done now20:21
monsunei didn't use the ones listed because it says torrent there so i wasn't interested and didn't care to check why 15.x wasn't listed20:22
sarnoldhow would we get download stats for mirrors we don't control? :)20:22
monsunei don't know, i thought it was possible somehow, like they send you stats, etc.20:23
monsunei'm 100% sure that the .de mirror is "poisoning" some people with 15.x every day :)20:23
dasjoemonsune: 15.04 on de.archive.ubuntu.com is snappy, not regular Ubuntu20:26
monsunewhat does snappy mean?20:27
monsunealso, why wouldn't the ubuntu download page include tables from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases?20:29
sarnold"snappy" is an entirely new packaging format, see http://snapcraft.io/ for details there.20:29
monsuneso it's so easy and clear to see what's supported, not supported, dates, etc.20:29
dasjoeIt's using a different packaging system and makes use of transactional upgrades. Check out http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2015/01/snappy-ubuntu-for-devices-year-of-linux.html20:29
sarnoldthe 15.04 snappy thing is insanely unfortunate. that never should have been productized imho.20:29
monsuneor at least a nicely visible link to that wiki20:29
monsunesarnold see? and i became a victim of it...20:30
dasjoemonsune: what's supported is easy and clear to see, see the list following "The following releases of Ubuntu are available:"20:30
monsunedasjoe that's just terrible, looks like i installed the worst ubuntu server version possible :)20:30
monsunedasjoe nope, available is just available together with others like 15.x :)20:31
dasjoemonsune: just use 16.04 for servers20:31
monsune"supported" would be the better word then20:31
monsunedasjoe i can't because lots of my php isn't ready for 720:31
monsunethat's the major problem20:31
monsuneand that's why i started to look for something "fairly recent but not ancient" and 15.x seemed logical, only that i missed the LTS meaning...20:32
monsunei wish there was 16.x with older php than php7, then i would install for sure20:32
dasjoeJust fix your PHP, or do what apparently most people do and make use of ondrej's PPA for 5.6 etc20:33
monsunetrust me, there are more people breaking their head because of php720:33
dasjoeKeep in mind you'll be on your own when you're installing unofficial packages20:33
monsunedasjoe it's not only my php20:33
monsuneand i'm not going to sit for a year or pay thousands to have it all updated20:33
monsunei think it's clear?20:34
monsunei just want 5.5 or 5.6 for now like many people20:34
dasjoemonsune: I've had to deal with ancient PHP stuff for some of my clients, we're using ondrej's PPA now20:34
monsunei will certainly give it a try20:35
monsuneassuming it's a good idea to use PPA20:35
monsunewhich i might doubt a little20:35
monsunemore and more people decide on centos+cpanel also just to be able to run php5 and php7 at the same time20:36
dasjoeGood for them, I guess20:37
monsuneso i guess it's not the best idea to force people into php7 in ubuntu 16.0420:37
monsuneubuntu would "profit" from php5 branch in 16.04 and i'm a clear example of such user20:37
sarnoldphp5 would look pretty silly in 2021..20:37
dasjoeYou are free to use whichever PHP you want, you'll just not get official packages20:37
monsunei do agree sarnold but still, people can't just switch instantly20:38
sarnoldmonsune: good thing 14.04 LTS is supported until 2019 :D20:38
monsunethey often have custom solutions coded, coders gone long ago, they have to stick to it or pay a lot to have it re-written20:38
sarnoldaka "technical debt"20:38
sarnoldyou get to pick when you pay it down20:38
monsunesarnold that's why i'm going with 14.04 LTS for sure now :) or hm... well... 16.04 plus PPA for 5.6?20:38
monsunealso, networking is different in 16.0420:39
sarnoldis it?20:39
sarnoldmost people notice systemd first20:39
sarnoldhehe20:39
monsunehe he20:39
monsuneok... 14.04 LTS for me :)20:39
dasjoeafaik FreeBSD ships 5.6, too20:40
monsunethere is debian also of course20:40
monsuneforcing php7 in 16.04 is same thing as forcing LXC in proxmox 4.3 - lots of crap there and people crying every day about issues they are having20:41
monsuneas moving from openvz isn't either easy or hassle-free20:41
monsuneand some people just can't afford experiments, it has to work fine, thus i rather stay back with 14.04 than risk money and time migrating stuff to php7 and deal with other issues20:42
dasjoeAll you're doing is postpone the investment20:43
monsunedasjoe sure but i can at least control when i do invest and how much20:45
monsunei can slowly prepare for a change20:45
monsunemeanwhile it has to be up and running without breaking my head20:46
monsunefor same reason i dumped all openvz instead of making them lxc and just went for KVMs instead20:46
dasjoehttp://php.net/supported-versions.php ← Hmm20:47
monsunewell yeah20:47
dasjoeHere, a migration manual in a somewhat weird mix of English and German, it's just like MS-DOS 6.22 again: http://php.net/manual/de/migration70.php20:50
monsunethank you, i will certainly give it a read20:52
monsunewhat i meant is that i knew i had to migrate, it's just that i can't do this right away20:52
monsuneso i would rather schedule and plan the works step by step20:53
monsune...using older ubuntu because that's how maintainers wanted it20:53
monsuneanyway it's not too bad with 5.6 and extended security fixes period20:54
monsuneubuntu 14.04.5 LTS till april 2019 and php 5.6 till january 2019 :)20:56
monsuneinteresting coincidence :)20:56
monsuneso that's my real deadline for moving into php720:57
RoyKmonsune: two years isn't really that long a time ;)21:24
mozart1893can anyone help with any network traffic monitoring tool with ubuntu server 16.0421:47
monsunemozart1893 console?21:49
mozart1893yes21:49
monsunedo you need to investigate or just watch bw a bit?21:50
mozart1893monsune: i will like to monitor the bandwidth utilization and sometimes track the source of over-utilization aswell21:52
monsunei often use nload and iftop21:52
mozart1893monsune: many thanks....21:54
mozart1893monsune: may i ask how they work.../21:54
monsunealso nethogs as it can show you the bw used by particular process21:54
monsunejust try them and play around21:55
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monsuneyou may begin with bmon anyway :)21:55
Piciiptraf has a lot of information if you want to dig deeper into the packet side of things21:56
monsuneyes iptraf too of course :) he wanted some general overview of his bw so i didn't suggest iptraf21:57
mozart1893many thanks Pici....22:00
monsunetesting speedometer now :) nice gfx22:01
mozart1893i will try all out and see what suites my need most22:01
monsunethat's right mozart189322:01
mpo42vrGood evening22:09
mpo42vrGuys, what do I do if I find out that nothing has been written to syslog for months?22:10
tarpmanpanic22:11
mpo42vrAnd beyond that? :)22:11
* tarpman hides22:11
mpo42vrWhere do I find the configuration of syslog?22:14
monsunein /etc/syslog.conf?22:20
mpo42vrYeah, it wasn't there22:20
* mpo42vr scratches head22:21
mpo42vrEither I was very confused and switched to rsyslog or I was hacked22:21
monsunerun rkhunter and stuff22:22
RoyKmpo42vr: has your machine been booted for that amount of time?22:22
RoyKsystem logger can hang -22:22
mpo42vrYes, it's a web server, it was online all the time22:22
RoyKor crash22:22
tarpmanmpo42vr: confused how? rsyslog is the default syslog in ubuntu22:23
RoyKmpo42vr: rebooted?22:23
monsunenever ignore any symptoms because they usually mean something bigger so definitely you need to find out about this - when in any doubts - backup and reinstall fresh22:23
RoyKmonsune: perhaps better to research the problem without jumping to conclusions22:23
mpo42vrI don't think the machine was rebooted, but can't say22:24
monsuneso you try to tell him that syslog just hanged and it's all fine :)22:24
RoyKmpo42vr: 'uptime' will tell22:24
monsunenever seen a hanged syslog in my life and i got boxes with 2 years+ uptime22:24
RoyKmonsune: I've seen syslog die more than once22:24
RoyKnot hang, though, but still22:24
monsuneok22:25
RoyKsome bad memory or other hw issues can cause quite interesting segfaults22:25
monsunefirst thing to find out is why isn't there /etc/syslog.conf22:26
monsuneoh it's not here either :]22:26
RoyKmonsune: probably because rsyslog.conf is there instead ;)22:27
monsuneyeah22:27
* RoyK slaps monsune with a small manpage22:27
* monsune likes that22:28
monsuneok... rkhunter won't hurt anyway22:28
RoyKman bash | slap monsune22:28
monsuneslap () { man bash }; is better :)22:30
=== mpo is now known as mpo42vr
monsunethen you could just slap, slap, slap anyone and don't worry about piping anymore :)22:31
mpo42vrRoyK: Yes, there was a reboot around the same time22:34
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mpo42vrIt was the reboot that killed my syslogd22:39
monsunempo42vr or that's what you are supposed to think22:57
mpo42vrmonsune: It appears I'm a bit more relaxed than you22:58

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