[07:29] <pitti> Good morning
[07:32] <seb128> hey pitti
[07:32] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:33] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[07:34] <seb128> happy friday!
[07:34] <seb128> how are you?
[07:35] <pitti> seb128: I'm great, thanks! how about yourself?
[07:35] <pitti> looking forward to the weekend
[07:35] <seb128> I'm good, thanks!
[07:35] <pitti> Annett and I will meet StevenK in Nuernberg
[07:35] <seb128> same here ;-)
[07:35] <seb128> do you have plans?
[07:35] <seb128> oh, say hello from me then
[07:36] <pitti> I will!
[07:36] <pitti> and on Sunday I'll fly to $warm_place \o/
[07:36] <pitti> (Sevilla, for the core sprint)
[07:37] <seb128> 19°C there, that's alright
[07:40] <didrocks> hey pitti! re seb128
[07:41] <didrocks> waow, summer/spring soon for pitti :)
[07:44] <pitti> bonjour didrocks !
[07:45] <pitti> didrocks: yeah, we'll be eating stollen in the sun!
[07:45] <flocculant> with brandy ...
[07:49] <didrocks> heh, sounds nice :)
[07:49] <didrocks> eating stollen in any condition is nice :)
[07:52] <seb128> wwhaatt
[07:52] <seb128> no, it's wrong, you don't eat stollen when it's warm
[07:52] <seb128> it's like mulled wine
[07:52] <seb128> works only when you need to fight the cold weather
[08:53] <andyrock> Morning
[09:01] <willcooke> morning all
[09:01] <willcooke> how do I report a spam user?  Getting msgs
[09:01] <seb128> hey andyrock willcooke
[09:01] <Laney> amoin moin
[09:01] <seb128> oh, early Laney!
[09:01] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:02] <seb128> willcooke, unsure about spam, maybe #ubuntu-irc knows?
[09:02] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[09:02] <seb128> do you speak about irc spam?
[09:02] <seb128> or launchpad?
[09:02] <willcooke> just googling it now
[09:03] <willcooke> irc
[09:03] <seb128> k
[09:03] <willcooke> I'm getting dm'd
[09:03] <willcooke> it's stopped now
[09:03] <seb128> I think there is an admin channel but don't remember which one
[09:04] <willcooke> gah duckduckgo is annoyingly bad for this
[09:04]  * willcooke reverts to actual google for his googling 
[09:04] <Laney> hey seb128
[09:04] <Laney> how are you?
[09:05] <seb128> good! it's friday & sunny & I've a tennis match tonight
[09:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:05] <seb128> how are you?
[09:06] <Laney> pretty good
[09:06] <Laney> no sun though
[09:06] <Laney> went to climbing and a new micro pub/bakery last night
[09:08] <willcooke> hey Laney davmor2
[09:09] <seb128> nice! and any plan for the w.e yet?
[09:09] <Laney> sup willcooke
[09:09] <Laney> how was london?
[09:09] <willcooke> Was nice to see real people again :)
[09:09] <Laney> was there some event?
[09:10] <davmor2> morning willcooke
[09:10] <Laney> seb128: going to a birthday party, probably go to the allotment if it's not raining ...
[09:10] <Laney> ...
[09:10] <Laney> last free weekend of the year :-o
[09:10] <willcooke> nah, I wanted to chat to a few people and work with p_opey on creating a snap
[09:10] <seb128> did you make a good one? ;-)
[09:10] <willcooke> no
[09:11] <seb128> :-(
[09:11] <willcooke> I gave up around 6pm and went for a ber
[09:11] <willcooke> beer
[09:11] <seb128> wash out the failure at the pub
[09:11] <seb128> I see
[09:11] <willcooke> ha
[09:11] <seb128> good way to deal with it ;-)
[09:12] <davmor2> willcooke: well it was popey there was bound to be some failure ;)
[09:16] <willcooke> happyaron, Chinese New Year is awesome, having to work Saturday and Sunday, less so :)
[09:17] <seb128> do they have to do that?
[09:17] <happyaron> yep
[09:18] <happyaron> it's a so called 7-day holidays, but 2 days are swapped from Saturday and Sunday
[09:18] <seb128> Laney, is bug #1626233 something you are looking at? nautilus upstream asked me the status saying that they talk to somebody from Canonical about it before (they didn't remember who though but I assume it was you?)
[09:18] <seb128> I've not been following the 3.20 update issues much so I didn't know but I said I would ask ... there we are ;-)
[09:18] <seb128> happyaron, I see, still good to have a week off work! oh, and hey btw ;-)
[09:19] <Laney> seb128: doesn't ring any bells
[09:19] <seb128> k
[09:19] <seb128> it might have been jbicha then
[09:20] <seb128> (they said later they though he was working for Canonical)
[09:21]  * seb128 tags it as rls-z-incoming
[09:23] <seb128> Laney, csoranio said it might be tricky to update that patch to work properly with the new codebase, we should maybe just drop it and see how it goes with users?
[09:23] <seb128> do you have an opinion on that?
[09:25] <Laney> I don't want to maintain patches like that if I can help it, but people were loud last time
[09:25] <Laney> I'd dig up the contributor and ask if they want to do it
[09:25] <seb128> thanks
[09:25] <seb128> well apparently somebody updated the patch enough that it applies and build, it's just not working/hitting a segfault
[09:27] <Laney> Yes I understand
[09:33] <flexiondotorg> Morning Laney seb128 willcooke davmor2 happyaron andyrock
[09:34] <davmor2> and a partridge on a pear tree
[09:34] <willcooke> hey flexiondotorg
[09:35] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg, how are you?
[09:35] <davmor2> morning flexiondotorg
[09:35] <flexiondotorg> seb128, All good thanks.
[11:04] <willcooke> Trello is down...... nooooooooooooooooo
[11:13] <Tm_T> topyli is lying, I don't fight wolfes, I might fight for them though
[11:13] <Tm_T> ...aand wrong channel (:
[11:13] <willcooke> :D
[11:13] <davmor2> willcooke: it's like the voices of a million developers cried out at once and then were gone
[11:14] <willcooke> ha
[11:14] <willcooke> they all cried out "yay"
[11:15] <Laney> Tm_T: playing werewolf?
[11:25] <mitya57> Trevinho, hi!
[11:25] <Trevinho> mitya57: hey
[11:26] <mitya57> While looking at bug 1635577, I found this line in libindicator which probably hides the old item: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/libindicator/trunk.16.10/annotate/head:/tools/indicator-loader.c#L172
[11:26] <Tm_T> Laney: no, just discussing where we live, ubuntu community is vast (:
[11:27]  * Trevinho checks
[11:27] <Trevinho> mitya57: thanks for that debugging work, though!
[11:27] <mitya57> And it looks like in https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/libindicator/lp-1045372/+merge/123876 it was changed on purpose from "remove" to "hide".
[11:28] <mitya57> So if we change it back to "remove" we need to make sure we don't reintroduce bug 1045372
[12:22] <mitya57> Trevinho, oh, and thanks for adding my MP to your ticket :)
[12:30]  * Sweet5hark is still amazed by his experience with using LibreOffice online for the first time "in production".
[12:30] <Sweet5hark> 20 people concurrently writing call minutes in one doc and it just kept going.
[12:47] <Trevinho> mitya57: np
[12:54] <seb128> Sweet5hark, like on the uds gobby time? ;-)
[12:56] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yeah, our calls are a bit like UDS sessions in that. we used etherpad before, but now tried a fullblown LibreOffice for the first time.
[12:56] <seb128> Sweet5hark, how is it working? there is a libreoffice server side than somebody needs to host I guess?
[12:57] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yes, its currently hosted by collabora.
[12:57] <seb128> interesting
[12:57] <seb128> do they do free hosting?
[12:58] <seb128> like can anyone use their server?
[12:58] <Sweet5hark> seb128: for TDF, yes ;)
[12:58] <seb128> lol, I see
[13:01] <Laney> is it in the browser?
[13:01] <Laney> or the app(s) connect to the server?
[13:03] <Trevinho> mitya57: sooooo..... Mhmh, well that libindicator thing doesn't seem too wrong to me, unless the indicator actually remove the items at a given point...
[13:04] <Trevinho> mitya57: in UPS I don't think we do anything special for that, so it might be more related to some lib we depend on...
[13:05] <mitya57> Trevinho, so does removing items seem wrong to you?
[13:06] <Trevinho> mitya57: in the applet you say?
[13:06] <mitya57> No matter — in libindicator or in UPS itself.
[13:09] <Trevinho> mitya57: if removing would cause that libreoffice bug again, I'd prefer not
[13:09] <Trevinho> but I've not checked the full logic yte
[13:11] <mitya57> Trevinho, I would leave the decision to you. In any case I fixed owncloud-client so the UPS part is no longer critical.
[13:11] <Trevinho> mitya57: ah, however the line you linked to me before (the one doing the hiding), is actually in the indicator-loader... Which is a dummy loader for menus... So an example app
[13:11] <Trevinho> not the lib itself
[13:11] <Trevinho> isn' it?
[13:12] <mitya57> Oh, maybe.
[13:12] <Trevinho> mitya57: what's the diff at owncloud side, just to understand?
[13:12] <mitya57> Trevinho, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/295376092/owncloud-client_2.2.4+dfsg-2_2.2.4+dfsg-2ubuntu1.diff.gz
[13:12] <mitya57> One line changed :)
[13:13] <mitya57> Re-registering the icon every 30 seconds was a workaround for some old bug in Qt 5.5.
[13:14] <mitya57> Trevinho, but where are the items hidden then? I found only the entry2geometry hash, but I did not fully understand how that works.
[13:26] <Trevinho> mitya57: that hash table should only have the reference of the entry id... not the entry itself... but it associate every menu "title" (or entry, as we call it) to a location in the screen and in the panel...
[13:27] <Trevinho> so basically the panel knows where it's painted in unity... This is has to be known for various reasons such as scrubbing, or to know where to place the menu Alt+<accelerator>
[13:29] <mitya57> Trevinho, the only useful thing happening in on_removed_idle() was dropping the removed items from that hash, so I thought that could hide them somehow.
[13:29] <mitya57> But if I was wrong, then I can not find the line where they are actually hidden.
[13:30] <Trevinho> mitya57: I don't see it at this level... I think it might happen on libindicator only... While the library keeps the refence, it doesn't notify it to the actual applet (whatever it is, indicator-applet or ups or... others)
[13:30] <Trevinho> but this is just a suspect
[14:53] <xnox> Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "overlay-scrollbar"
[14:53] <xnox> that's dead right, and we should not try to load it?
[14:54] <xnox> bin/ubiquity-dm:        os.environ['GTK_MODULES'] = 'overlay-scrollbar'
[14:54] <xnox> bin/ubiquity-wrapper:        os.environ['GTK_MODULES'] += os.pathsep + 'overlay-scrollbar'
[14:54] <xnox> bin/ubiquity-wrapper:        os.environ['GTK_MODULES'] = 'overlay-scrollbar'
[14:55] <attente> is that still used for gtk 2 apps?
[14:55] <ogra_> it isnt instealled at all
[14:55] <xnox> ubiquity is gtk3
[14:55] <ogra_> but it is installable from unitverse i thinnk
[14:56] <ogra_> i guess the question is if you still want it to work for people that explicitly install it
[14:56] <ogra_> (and yeah, i doubt it works at all for gtk3)
[14:56] <xnox> during live-cd installer only? no, there are no apps during ubiquity-only session
[14:57] <ogra_> oh, right ... i missed which files you pointed at
[14:57] <attente> oh, right
[14:57] <ogra_> rip it out ;)
[15:01] <seb128> xnox, yeah, that needs to be cleaned out
[15:04] <ogra_> seb128, should we perhaps also drop it from the archive ?
[15:04] <seb128> ogra_, we did
[15:04] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/overlay-scrollbar/0.2.17.1+15.10.20150604.1-0ubuntu1
[15:05] <seb128> the source still builds a gtk2 binary which is needed since gtk2 doesn't have such overlay scrollbars, that was only added to gtk3
[15:06] <ogra_> yeah, i cant read what "apt search" prints ... sorry :P
[15:27] <attente> desrt: hey, do you know if there's a way to prevent the libtool wrapper from the g-ir-scanner output from overriding LD_LIBRARY_PATH?
[15:27] <desrt> uh
[15:27] <desrt> that's sort of its job
[15:27] <desrt> that's how it is able to make the linker find the in-tree versions of the libraries (which is pretty much the only thing libtool is good for)
[15:28] <attente> but now i have an old system library and it's using that one instead of my locally installed one
[15:29] <attente> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/V8ZduzJD/
[15:30] <attente> i don't really know where /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu is coming from
[15:32] <attente> sorry, i should've given more context about the /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu problem
[18:04] <Laney> happy weekend!
[18:04] <willcooke> oh, yes it's time
[18:04] <willcooke> good night all
[18:04] <willcooke> Weekend \o/
[18:06] <seb128> have a good w.e desktopers!
[19:02] <cmishra> hello
[19:03] <cmishra> are only two ides available now through ubuntu-make? (light table and visual-studio-code)
[19:18] <dobey> pretty sure the android sdk / eclipse is there