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myxo2had to regenerate initramfs for some reason, fixed it00:09
lotuspsychjegood morning guys05:23
Bashing-omlotuspsychje: Hey hey .. Welcome to the Zoo .05:23
lotuspsychjehey Bashing-om crowdy beasts?05:24
Bashing-omYeah ,, tedious fixes with kernels . Them bad boys going behind the package manager's back and breaking the system .05:25
lotuspsychjewow05:26
lotuspsychje!info linux-image-generic05:26
ubot5linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0.51.54 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 12 kB05:26
myxo2howdy all06:22
myxo2omg, elonus isn't here somehow, i have to type his whole name06:23
myxo2it must be the day of the vikings in norway or something, i don't know any of their holidays..06:23
myxo2i started LFS yesterday, has anyone else tried it?06:23
ducassehi all07:19
Bashing-omducasse: o/ . Welcome to a wild and crazy day . Be ready for a wild ride .07:33
ducasseoh, is it that bad?07:34
myxo2ahaha07:34
myxo2howdy friends07:34
ducasse\o07:34
myxo2what are we debugging today?!07:35
ducassenothing yet, i'm still waking up :)07:35
Bashing-omducasse: Uh Huh .. Never cam tell what the poster is going to do . But the troll activity is nill :)07:35
myxo2every day should start with  a critical error!07:35
myxo2jk. my system has been seriously stable for months now.07:36
myxo2i made the mistake of starting a peter frampton live in concert video07:39
myxo2now i'm stuck watching for 30 minutes for one song07:39
myxo2first album i bought as a teenager in like.. 1995?07:39
myxo2arch could user some peter frampton? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrFKG-N7Log07:43
lordievaderGood morning.08:07
\9myxo2: LFS as in linux from scratch? i built that a few times many years ago08:15
\9taught me a whole lot about how linux works08:16
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myxo2yep \9, i'm following it now08:17
\9i think it was also LFS which taught me to use the -v switch everywhere (i have all the basic utilities aliased to use that switch along with a few others)08:19
\9nowadays if i run a command and it doesn't print exactly what it did i'll go all "wow what on earth just happened"08:19
myxo2wish i could figure out why filelight has become the default for "open containing folder" in my qbittorrent instead of nemo..08:20
myxo2filelight is useful but really annoying when that happens08:20
\9i still haven't figured out how to alias things for sudo08:21
\9sudo mkdir blah doesn't print anything and it annoys me08:21
myxo2how long did lfs take you total?08:22
myxo2and did you end up going the route of making a custom linux distro with your newfound info?08:22
\9several days i think.. but i had quite the low-end pc08:22
\9no i didn't go to make a custom linux distro.. the idea crossed my mind but that would've been too much effort for no real gain :P08:23
\9http://askubuntu.com/a/22043 welllp08:24
\9that solves that ages-old problem in 2 minutes08:24
Bashing-omducasse: Cat showing you how well she types ?08:39
ducasseBashing-om: isp having problems, link bounces up and down08:40
ducasse_really_ annoying :(08:40
Bashing-omducasse: Yuk, think I would rather deal with the cat .08:41
ducasseBashing-om: yup. i know they've been doing some upgrades, that's probably the cause.08:42
ducasseon the plus side they can soon offer higher speeds :)08:43
Bashing-omYup .. My isp did same .. speed now is unreal as what was with - dare I say dialup ? -08:46
ducassetheir plan is to offer up to 10gbps, which i kinda like :)08:48
Bashing-omMine is going fiber .. and 30gbps .. but to be truthful .. what I do on the 'net .. I can not tell the difference @ lower speeds anyway .08:53
JanCmetered or not?08:54
ducasseunmetered here, our local isps don't seem to have taken an interest in metering.08:56
JanCmine did, recently  :-(08:58
JanCtime to move to another one, I guess08:58
Bashing-omMetered here, but the cap is fairly high .. we have not even come close with the whole family (6) active all the time .08:59
JanCthat also depends on what you do, obviously08:59
JanCmine set a limit at 500GB, after which they downgrade the speed severely09:00
ducassethat really sucks :(09:01
ducassei can't recall hearing about any norwegian isp doing metering, but i might be wrong.09:02
JanCtime to upgrade to another company, I guess  :)09:02
JanChere most have done so since forever09:02
JanCthe one I use now was one of a couple that didn't09:02
Bashing-omI gonna call it a end-of-session ;  Nighty nite good folks .09:07
JanCducasse: it really depends on how the national market grew over time, I guess, and maybe how the national government/regulator works09:07
JanCa lot of ISPs here are metered, except for their own streaming/TV/etc. services09:08
JanCwhich you have to pay extra for09:09
ducassemakes sense. i know the regulators here are typically strict, so the isps might run into trouble with it.09:09
JanCso it's really a problem of net neutrality here IMNSHO09:09
ducasseabsolutely, they can force you to use their products. that should not be legal.09:10
JanCat some times the regulator has been calling things out, but they are practically toothless :-(09:11
ducasse:( luckily they aren't here. telecoms etc are kept on a tight leash.09:12
JanCany sanctions have to come from the ministry of telecommunications, so the regulator can only suggest them09:12
ducassedoesn't that sort of defeat the point of having regulators?09:13
JanCright09:13
JanCalso, regulators can't force unmetered, I guess09:14
JanCmost people probably never hit the metered barriers09:15
ducassewait for 4k streaming to get popular...09:16
JanCoh, but they will offer that on their own09:16
ducasseright, in the service that is 'exempt'...09:17
ducassethat's dirty.09:17
JanCone of them even offers Netflix as a service like that09:18
ducasse10:18 <lenswipee> ikonia, package manager is for noobs. i use terminal and sudo09:19
ducassedear lord.09:19
JanCbut if you would ever prefer another streaming service...09:19
OerHekshmm docker http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-and-docker-partner-to-distribute-docker-releases-as-snaps-on-ubuntu-510665.shtml09:21
lordievaderducasse: Nice quote09:22
JanCmostly for commercial docker, I think?09:23
OerHeksjups, paid i think09:23
ducasselordievader: what _is_ it with these people?09:23
lordievaderducasse: Well clearly he ain't a noob :P09:25
ducasselol09:25
lordievaderMust be a pure genenious!09:25
ducassehe got kicked soon after, i'm sure he could solve his problem himself either way :)09:26
reconnectgood morning11:13
lordievadero/11:15
BluesKajHiyas all13:39
pauljwhey BluesKaj13:40
pauljwHi everyone13:40
BluesKajhey again pauljw :-)13:40
pauljw:D13:40
lordievadero/13:40
pauljwhi lordievader13:43
lordievaderHey pauljw13:44
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Bashing-omBusy in the main channel, huh ? .. lacking 35 to be 1000 users !21:03
\92000, you mean?21:04
\9it indeed is a lot21:04
Bashing-om\9: Opps yeah .,. 2000 ! A lot going on while I snoozed ?21:07
\9i haven't found it any more active than usual21:07
ducasse\o Bashing-om21:07
\9we had some kind of guy who thought he was above package managers because he was so pro at using terminal (and failed to use root to do anything)21:08
Bashing-omwell, then I just relax and enjoy the ride - see what transpires :)21:08
ducasseoh, he was back today? :)21:08
\9no21:08
\9would've been too amusing if he was21:08
ducasseme mixing today and yesterday, sorry. it's been busy here :)21:09
ducasse'too l33t for apt' :)21:09
\9hehe21:09
\9speaking of mixing today and yesterday, i'm gonna call it a night before today becomes yesterday21:11
\9cyas21:12
myxo2tar xvf is extract, verbosely, but can't remember what f means21:37
myxo2and searching the man page is impossible, looked over it 10x now21:38
myxo2file?21:38
daftykinsspecify file yes21:38
myxo2wait so would tar xv even do anything?21:38
myxo2because you aren't giving it a file21:38
daftykinsman pages for more :P21:38
myxo2why do we need to specify f21:39
daftykinswhy don't you try it yourself and report back (:21:39
myxo2it literally says, "missing f option?"21:39
myxo2if f is so important, why isn't it implicit, that's my confusion21:40
daftykins*shrug* not something i'm going to lose sleep over21:40
ducassemyxo2: no f means stdin/stdout, iirc21:42
daftykinsnot according to the man page chief21:42
ducasse\o daftykins21:42
daftykinsheya :>21:42
myxo2oh haha i just realized i was asking my Q's in the wrong irc21:43
myxo2your answers make more sense now21:43
myxo2i thought i was in a diff distro talk lol21:44
daftykinsmyxo2: i'd say you need more help than from IRC if you can't find '-f' in an alphabetical man page21:44
myxo2i found -f, but tar wasn't using - commands, it had no - at all21:44
myxo2-f and f aren't always equivalent depending on the command and i wasn't sure21:45
daftykinsit's pretty common not to include a hyphen21:45
myxo2no matter it's resolved21:46
daftykinsmmhmm21:46
daftykinsso what was the real channel?21:46
myxo2i plead the fif21:47
myxo2i recently learned about distro wars21:47
myxo2i don't play that game haha21:47
myxo2i made the mistake of suggesting the wrong distro on reddit the other day and got flamed, then my post crossposted to linuxcirclejerk and other linux meme subs21:47
daftykinswell you're on the internet, not in the US - so you don't get to use that21:47
myxo2in the end it was a good thing, because those subs are hilarious21:47
myxo2that's true, any my vpn is canadian, should i end my queries with 'eh'?21:48
myxo2s/any/and21:48
daftykinspeople where i'm from do that too21:48
myxo2i'm actually building an LFS system at the moment21:48
daftykinsmight even have been locals that travelled and became Canadian!21:49
daftykinsuh huh21:49
myxo2so i'm distro-less, sp00ky, maybe fedora i think? since that's a recommended base? not to that step yet21:49
daftykinsdoesn't sound very 'from scratch' to me if you use a base ;D21:49
myxo2well i guess i could go mine my own silicon and copper, but i don't like using gentoo21:50
daftykinsi'm going to do the IRC equivalent of smile, nod and walk slowly backwards out of the door now21:50
myxo2;)21:50
daftykinsspinning gestures with my finger around my ear may also accompany the above21:51
vortex__hi23:13
vortex__hi Cuber23:14
vortex__Cyber23:14
CyberCyborghello23:14
vortex__still peple dont talk23:14
CyberCyborgim going to join off-topic23:15
vortex__okay23:15

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