[00:09] had to regenerate initramfs for some reason, fixed it [05:23] good morning guys [05:23] lotuspsychje: Hey hey .. Welcome to the Zoo . [05:24] hey Bashing-om crowdy beasts? [05:25] Yeah ,, tedious fixes with kernels . Them bad boys going behind the package manager's back and breaking the system . [05:26] wow [05:26] !info linux-image-generic [05:26] linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0.51.54 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 12 kB [06:22] howdy all [06:23] omg, elonus isn't here somehow, i have to type his whole name [06:23] it must be the day of the vikings in norway or something, i don't know any of their holidays.. [06:23] i started LFS yesterday, has anyone else tried it? [07:19] hi all [07:33] ducasse: o/ . Welcome to a wild and crazy day . Be ready for a wild ride . [07:34] oh, is it that bad? [07:34] ahaha [07:34] howdy friends [07:34] \o [07:35] what are we debugging today?! [07:35] nothing yet, i'm still waking up :) [07:35] ducasse: Uh Huh .. Never cam tell what the poster is going to do . But the troll activity is nill :) [07:35] every day should start with a critical error! [07:36] jk. my system has been seriously stable for months now. [07:39] i made the mistake of starting a peter frampton live in concert video [07:39] now i'm stuck watching for 30 minutes for one song [07:39] first album i bought as a teenager in like.. 1995? [07:43] arch could user some peter frampton? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrFKG-N7Log [08:07] Good morning. [08:15] <\9> myxo2: LFS as in linux from scratch? i built that a few times many years ago [08:16] <\9> taught me a whole lot about how linux works === jalcine is now known as jacky [08:17] yep \9, i'm following it now [08:19] <\9> i think it was also LFS which taught me to use the -v switch everywhere (i have all the basic utilities aliased to use that switch along with a few others) [08:19] <\9> nowadays if i run a command and it doesn't print exactly what it did i'll go all "wow what on earth just happened" [08:20] wish i could figure out why filelight has become the default for "open containing folder" in my qbittorrent instead of nemo.. [08:20] filelight is useful but really annoying when that happens [08:21] <\9> i still haven't figured out how to alias things for sudo [08:21] <\9> sudo mkdir blah doesn't print anything and it annoys me [08:22] how long did lfs take you total? [08:22] and did you end up going the route of making a custom linux distro with your newfound info? [08:22] <\9> several days i think.. but i had quite the low-end pc [08:23] <\9> no i didn't go to make a custom linux distro.. the idea crossed my mind but that would've been too much effort for no real gain :P [08:24] <\9> http://askubuntu.com/a/22043 welllp [08:24] <\9> that solves that ages-old problem in 2 minutes [08:39] ducasse: Cat showing you how well she types ? [08:40] Bashing-om: isp having problems, link bounces up and down [08:40] _really_ annoying :( [08:41] ducasse: Yuk, think I would rather deal with the cat . [08:42] Bashing-om: yup. i know they've been doing some upgrades, that's probably the cause. [08:43] on the plus side they can soon offer higher speeds :) [08:46] Yup .. My isp did same .. speed now is unreal as what was with - dare I say dialup ? - [08:48] their plan is to offer up to 10gbps, which i kinda like :) [08:53] Mine is going fiber .. and 30gbps .. but to be truthful .. what I do on the 'net .. I can not tell the difference @ lower speeds anyway . [08:54] metered or not? [08:56] unmetered here, our local isps don't seem to have taken an interest in metering. [08:58] mine did, recently :-( [08:58] time to move to another one, I guess [08:59] Metered here, but the cap is fairly high .. we have not even come close with the whole family (6) active all the time . [08:59] that also depends on what you do, obviously [09:00] mine set a limit at 500GB, after which they downgrade the speed severely [09:01] that really sucks :( [09:02] i can't recall hearing about any norwegian isp doing metering, but i might be wrong. [09:02] time to upgrade to another company, I guess :) [09:02] here most have done so since forever [09:02] the one I use now was one of a couple that didn't [09:07] I gonna call it a end-of-session ; Nighty nite good folks . [09:07] ducasse: it really depends on how the national market grew over time, I guess, and maybe how the national government/regulator works [09:08] a lot of ISPs here are metered, except for their own streaming/TV/etc. services [09:09] which you have to pay extra for [09:09] makes sense. i know the regulators here are typically strict, so the isps might run into trouble with it. [09:09] so it's really a problem of net neutrality here IMNSHO [09:10] absolutely, they can force you to use their products. that should not be legal. [09:11] at some times the regulator has been calling things out, but they are practically toothless :-( [09:12] :( luckily they aren't here. telecoms etc are kept on a tight leash. [09:12] any sanctions have to come from the ministry of telecommunications, so the regulator can only suggest them [09:13] doesn't that sort of defeat the point of having regulators? [09:13] right [09:14] also, regulators can't force unmetered, I guess [09:15] most people probably never hit the metered barriers [09:16] wait for 4k streaming to get popular... [09:16] oh, but they will offer that on their own [09:17] right, in the service that is 'exempt'... [09:17] that's dirty. [09:18] one of them even offers Netflix as a service like that [09:19] 10:18 ikonia, package manager is for noobs. i use terminal and sudo [09:19] dear lord. [09:19] but if you would ever prefer another streaming service... [09:21] hmm docker http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-and-docker-partner-to-distribute-docker-releases-as-snaps-on-ubuntu-510665.shtml [09:22] ducasse: Nice quote [09:23] mostly for commercial docker, I think? [09:23] jups, paid i think [09:23] lordievader: what _is_ it with these people? [09:25] ducasse: Well clearly he ain't a noob :P [09:25] lol [09:25] Must be a pure genenious! [09:26] he got kicked soon after, i'm sure he could solve his problem himself either way :) [11:13] good morning [11:15] o/ [13:39] Hiyas all [13:40] hey BluesKaj [13:40] Hi everyone [13:40] hey again pauljw :-) [13:40] :D [13:40] o/ [13:43] hi lordievader [13:44] Hey pauljw === JanC is now known as Guest2425 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [21:03] Busy in the main channel, huh ? .. lacking 35 to be 1000 users ! [21:04] <\9> 2000, you mean? [21:04] <\9> it indeed is a lot [21:07] \9: Opps yeah .,. 2000 ! A lot going on while I snoozed ? [21:07] <\9> i haven't found it any more active than usual [21:07] \o Bashing-om [21:08] <\9> we had some kind of guy who thought he was above package managers because he was so pro at using terminal (and failed to use root to do anything) [21:08] well, then I just relax and enjoy the ride - see what transpires :) [21:08] oh, he was back today? :) [21:08] <\9> no [21:08] <\9> would've been too amusing if he was [21:09] me mixing today and yesterday, sorry. it's been busy here :) [21:09] 'too l33t for apt' :) [21:09] <\9> hehe [21:11] <\9> speaking of mixing today and yesterday, i'm gonna call it a night before today becomes yesterday [21:12] <\9> cyas [21:37] tar xvf is extract, verbosely, but can't remember what f means [21:38] and searching the man page is impossible, looked over it 10x now [21:38] file? [21:38] specify file yes [21:38] wait so would tar xv even do anything? [21:38] because you aren't giving it a file [21:38] man pages for more :P [21:39] why do we need to specify f [21:39] why don't you try it yourself and report back (: [21:39] it literally says, "missing f option?" [21:40] if f is so important, why isn't it implicit, that's my confusion [21:40] *shrug* not something i'm going to lose sleep over [21:42] myxo2: no f means stdin/stdout, iirc [21:42] not according to the man page chief [21:42] \o daftykins [21:42] heya :> [21:43] oh haha i just realized i was asking my Q's in the wrong irc [21:43] your answers make more sense now [21:44] i thought i was in a diff distro talk lol [21:44] myxo2: i'd say you need more help than from IRC if you can't find '-f' in an alphabetical man page [21:44] i found -f, but tar wasn't using - commands, it had no - at all [21:45] -f and f aren't always equivalent depending on the command and i wasn't sure [21:45] it's pretty common not to include a hyphen [21:46] no matter it's resolved [21:46] mmhmm [21:46] so what was the real channel? [21:47] i plead the fif [21:47] i recently learned about distro wars [21:47] i don't play that game haha [21:47] i made the mistake of suggesting the wrong distro on reddit the other day and got flamed, then my post crossposted to linuxcirclejerk and other linux meme subs [21:47] well you're on the internet, not in the US - so you don't get to use that [21:47] in the end it was a good thing, because those subs are hilarious [21:48] that's true, any my vpn is canadian, should i end my queries with 'eh'? [21:48] s/any/and [21:48] people where i'm from do that too [21:48] i'm actually building an LFS system at the moment [21:49] might even have been locals that travelled and became Canadian! [21:49] uh huh [21:49] so i'm distro-less, sp00ky, maybe fedora i think? since that's a recommended base? not to that step yet [21:49] doesn't sound very 'from scratch' to me if you use a base ;D [21:50] well i guess i could go mine my own silicon and copper, but i don't like using gentoo [21:50] i'm going to do the IRC equivalent of smile, nod and walk slowly backwards out of the door now [21:50] ;) [21:51] spinning gestures with my finger around my ear may also accompany the above [23:13] hi [23:14] hi Cuber [23:14] Cyber [23:14] hello [23:14] still peple dont talk [23:15] im going to join off-topic [23:15] okay