[00:09] <myxo2> had to regenerate initramfs for some reason, fixed it
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> good morning guys
[05:23] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Hey hey .. Welcome to the Zoo .
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om crowdy beasts?
[05:25] <Bashing-om> Yeah ,, tedious fixes with kernels . Them bad boys going behind the package manager's back and breaking the system .
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> wow
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[06:22] <myxo2> howdy all
[06:23] <myxo2> omg, elonus isn't here somehow, i have to type his whole name
[06:23] <myxo2> it must be the day of the vikings in norway or something, i don't know any of their holidays..
[06:23] <myxo2> i started LFS yesterday, has anyone else tried it?
[07:19] <ducasse> hi all
[07:33] <Bashing-om> ducasse: o/ . Welcome to a wild and crazy day . Be ready for a wild ride .
[07:34] <ducasse> oh, is it that bad?
[07:34] <myxo2> ahaha
[07:34] <myxo2> howdy friends
[07:34] <ducasse> \o
[07:35] <myxo2> what are we debugging today?!
[07:35] <ducasse> nothing yet, i'm still waking up :)
[07:35] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Uh Huh .. Never cam tell what the poster is going to do . But the troll activity is nill :)
[07:35] <myxo2> every day should start with  a critical error!
[07:36] <myxo2> jk. my system has been seriously stable for months now.
[07:39] <myxo2> i made the mistake of starting a peter frampton live in concert video
[07:39] <myxo2> now i'm stuck watching for 30 minutes for one song
[07:39] <myxo2> first album i bought as a teenager in like.. 1995?
[07:43] <myxo2> arch could user some peter frampton? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrFKG-N7Log
[08:07] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:15] <\9> myxo2: LFS as in linux from scratch? i built that a few times many years ago
[08:16] <\9> taught me a whole lot about how linux works
[08:17] <myxo2> yep \9, i'm following it now
[08:19] <\9> i think it was also LFS which taught me to use the -v switch everywhere (i have all the basic utilities aliased to use that switch along with a few others)
[08:19] <\9> nowadays if i run a command and it doesn't print exactly what it did i'll go all "wow what on earth just happened"
[08:20] <myxo2> wish i could figure out why filelight has become the default for "open containing folder" in my qbittorrent instead of nemo..
[08:20] <myxo2> filelight is useful but really annoying when that happens
[08:21] <\9> i still haven't figured out how to alias things for sudo
[08:21] <\9> sudo mkdir blah doesn't print anything and it annoys me
[08:22] <myxo2> how long did lfs take you total?
[08:22] <myxo2> and did you end up going the route of making a custom linux distro with your newfound info?
[08:22] <\9> several days i think.. but i had quite the low-end pc
[08:23] <\9> no i didn't go to make a custom linux distro.. the idea crossed my mind but that would've been too much effort for no real gain :P
[08:24] <\9> http://askubuntu.com/a/22043 welllp
[08:24] <\9> that solves that ages-old problem in 2 minutes
[08:39] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Cat showing you how well she types ?
[08:40] <ducasse> Bashing-om: isp having problems, link bounces up and down
[08:40] <ducasse> _really_ annoying :(
[08:41] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Yuk, think I would rather deal with the cat .
[08:42] <ducasse> Bashing-om: yup. i know they've been doing some upgrades, that's probably the cause.
[08:43] <ducasse> on the plus side they can soon offer higher speeds :)
[08:46] <Bashing-om> Yup .. My isp did same .. speed now is unreal as what was with - dare I say dialup ? -
[08:48] <ducasse> their plan is to offer up to 10gbps, which i kinda like :)
[08:53] <Bashing-om> Mine is going fiber .. and 30gbps .. but to be truthful .. what I do on the 'net .. I can not tell the difference @ lower speeds anyway .
[08:54] <JanC> metered or not?
[08:56] <ducasse> unmetered here, our local isps don't seem to have taken an interest in metering.
[08:58] <JanC> mine did, recently  :-(
[08:58] <JanC> time to move to another one, I guess
[08:59] <Bashing-om> Metered here, but the cap is fairly high .. we have not even come close with the whole family (6) active all the time .
[08:59] <JanC> that also depends on what you do, obviously
[09:00] <JanC> mine set a limit at 500GB, after which they downgrade the speed severely
[09:01] <ducasse> that really sucks :(
[09:02] <ducasse> i can't recall hearing about any norwegian isp doing metering, but i might be wrong.
[09:02] <JanC> time to upgrade to another company, I guess  :)
[09:02] <JanC> here most have done so since forever
[09:02] <JanC> the one I use now was one of a couple that didn't
[09:07] <Bashing-om> I gonna call it a end-of-session ;  Nighty nite good folks .
[09:07] <JanC> ducasse: it really depends on how the national market grew over time, I guess, and maybe how the national government/regulator works
[09:08] <JanC> a lot of ISPs here are metered, except for their own streaming/TV/etc. services
[09:09] <JanC> which you have to pay extra for
[09:09] <ducasse> makes sense. i know the regulators here are typically strict, so the isps might run into trouble with it.
[09:09] <JanC> so it's really a problem of net neutrality here IMNSHO
[09:10] <ducasse> absolutely, they can force you to use their products. that should not be legal.
[09:11] <JanC> at some times the regulator has been calling things out, but they are practically toothless :-(
[09:12] <ducasse> :( luckily they aren't here. telecoms etc are kept on a tight leash.
[09:12] <JanC> any sanctions have to come from the ministry of telecommunications, so the regulator can only suggest them
[09:13] <ducasse> doesn't that sort of defeat the point of having regulators?
[09:13] <JanC> right
[09:14] <JanC> also, regulators can't force unmetered, I guess
[09:15] <JanC> most people probably never hit the metered barriers
[09:16] <ducasse> wait for 4k streaming to get popular...
[09:16] <JanC> oh, but they will offer that on their own
[09:17] <ducasse> right, in the service that is 'exempt'...
[09:17] <ducasse> that's dirty.
[09:18] <JanC> one of them even offers Netflix as a service like that
[09:19] <ducasse> 10:18 <lenswipee> ikonia, package manager is for noobs. i use terminal and sudo
[09:19] <ducasse> dear lord.
[09:19] <JanC> but if you would ever prefer another streaming service...
[09:21] <OerHeks> hmm docker http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-and-docker-partner-to-distribute-docker-releases-as-snaps-on-ubuntu-510665.shtml
[09:22] <lordievader> ducasse: Nice quote
[09:23] <JanC> mostly for commercial docker, I think?
[09:23] <OerHeks> jups, paid i think
[09:23] <ducasse> lordievader: what _is_ it with these people?
[09:25] <lordievader> ducasse: Well clearly he ain't a noob :P
[09:25] <ducasse> lol
[09:25] <lordievader> Must be a pure genenious!
[09:26] <ducasse> he got kicked soon after, i'm sure he could solve his problem himself either way :)
[11:13] <reconnect> good morning
[11:15] <lordievader> o/
[13:39] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:40] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj
[13:40] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[13:40] <BluesKaj> hey again pauljw :-)
[13:40] <pauljw> :D
[13:40] <lordievader> o/
[13:43] <pauljw> hi lordievader
[13:44] <lordievader> Hey pauljw
[21:03] <Bashing-om> Busy in the main channel, huh ? .. lacking 35 to be 1000 users !
[21:04] <\9> 2000, you mean?
[21:04] <\9> it indeed is a lot
[21:07] <Bashing-om> \9: Opps yeah .,. 2000 ! A lot going on while I snoozed ?
[21:07] <\9> i haven't found it any more active than usual
[21:07] <ducasse> \o Bashing-om
[21:08] <\9> we had some kind of guy who thought he was above package managers because he was so pro at using terminal (and failed to use root to do anything)
[21:08] <Bashing-om> well, then I just relax and enjoy the ride - see what transpires :)
[21:08] <ducasse> oh, he was back today? :)
[21:08] <\9> no
[21:08] <\9> would've been too amusing if he was
[21:09] <ducasse> me mixing today and yesterday, sorry. it's been busy here :)
[21:09] <ducasse> 'too l33t for apt' :)
[21:09] <\9> hehe
[21:11] <\9> speaking of mixing today and yesterday, i'm gonna call it a night before today becomes yesterday
[21:12] <\9> cyas
[21:37] <myxo2> tar xvf is extract, verbosely, but can't remember what f means
[21:38] <myxo2> and searching the man page is impossible, looked over it 10x now
[21:38] <myxo2> file?
[21:38] <daftykins> specify file yes
[21:38] <myxo2> wait so would tar xv even do anything?
[21:38] <myxo2> because you aren't giving it a file
[21:38] <daftykins> man pages for more :P
[21:39] <myxo2> why do we need to specify f
[21:39] <daftykins> why don't you try it yourself and report back (:
[21:39] <myxo2> it literally says, "missing f option?"
[21:40] <myxo2> if f is so important, why isn't it implicit, that's my confusion
[21:40] <daftykins> *shrug* not something i'm going to lose sleep over
[21:42] <ducasse> myxo2: no f means stdin/stdout, iirc
[21:42] <daftykins> not according to the man page chief
[21:42] <ducasse> \o daftykins
[21:42] <daftykins> heya :>
[21:43] <myxo2> oh haha i just realized i was asking my Q's in the wrong irc
[21:43] <myxo2> your answers make more sense now
[21:44] <myxo2> i thought i was in a diff distro talk lol
[21:44] <daftykins> myxo2: i'd say you need more help than from IRC if you can't find '-f' in an alphabetical man page
[21:44] <myxo2> i found -f, but tar wasn't using - commands, it had no - at all
[21:45] <myxo2> -f and f aren't always equivalent depending on the command and i wasn't sure
[21:45] <daftykins> it's pretty common not to include a hyphen
[21:46] <myxo2> no matter it's resolved
[21:46] <daftykins> mmhmm
[21:46] <daftykins> so what was the real channel?
[21:47] <myxo2> i plead the fif
[21:47] <myxo2> i recently learned about distro wars
[21:47] <myxo2> i don't play that game haha
[21:47] <myxo2> i made the mistake of suggesting the wrong distro on reddit the other day and got flamed, then my post crossposted to linuxcirclejerk and other linux meme subs
[21:47] <daftykins> well you're on the internet, not in the US - so you don't get to use that
[21:47] <myxo2> in the end it was a good thing, because those subs are hilarious
[21:48] <myxo2> that's true, any my vpn is canadian, should i end my queries with 'eh'?
[21:48] <myxo2> s/any/and
[21:48] <daftykins> people where i'm from do that too
[21:48] <myxo2> i'm actually building an LFS system at the moment
[21:49] <daftykins> might even have been locals that travelled and became Canadian!
[21:49] <daftykins> uh huh
[21:49] <myxo2> so i'm distro-less, sp00ky, maybe fedora i think? since that's a recommended base? not to that step yet
[21:49] <daftykins> doesn't sound very 'from scratch' to me if you use a base ;D
[21:50] <myxo2> well i guess i could go mine my own silicon and copper, but i don't like using gentoo
[21:50] <daftykins> i'm going to do the IRC equivalent of smile, nod and walk slowly backwards out of the door now
[21:50] <myxo2> ;)
[21:51] <daftykins> spinning gestures with my finger around my ear may also accompany the above
[23:13] <vortex__> hi
[23:14] <vortex__> hi Cuber
[23:14] <vortex__> Cyber
[23:14] <CyberCyborg> hello
[23:14] <vortex__> still peple dont talk
[23:15] <CyberCyborg> im going to join off-topic
[23:15] <vortex__> okay