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| vmuser123 | Hope this is the right place to ask: It's been a while since I've done this... Trying to write the daily Touch build to a 16gb ssd and make it bootable so it will start on an x86 pc. Is there a tutorial somewhere? | 02:24 |
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| duflu | vmuser123: Regular Ubuntu (16.10 and later) comes with the touch interface so you don't need to. Just choose Unity8 on the login screen. | 02:28 |
| vmuser123_ | thanks to whomever just replied about unity8. I'm installing this on a small x86 pc with a touch screen monitor. (was a POS machine) full desktop install is pretty slow. | 02:30 |
| duflu | vmuser123_: We're also working on improving performance. What CPU/GPU are you using? | 02:31 |
| vmuser123_ | post-install it won't have a keyboard/monitor so essentially will be a tablet | 02:31 |
| vmuser123_ | it's a atom d525 | 02:31 |
| vmuser123_ | 2gb ddr3 | 02:31 |
| duflu | vmuser123_: Yes regular Ubuntu should support full touch. Just choose Unity8 instead of Unity7 before you log in. | 02:32 |
| duflu | No need to build your own | 02:32 |
| vmuser123_ | Is (are) the daily builds buggy or quirky? | 02:32 |
| dobey | the "touch" daily build tarballs aren't really built for general PC hardware as you're probably using | 02:33 |
| duflu | vmuser123_: They are usable but always risky: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 02:34 |
| dobey | they do some things differently more oriented toward actual phones/tablets | 02:34 |
| duflu | vmuser123_: Also by chance I was the first person to discover Atoms are unusually slow. They have their own bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1580792 | 02:34 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1580792 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Unity8 on Intel Atoms performs poorly (falls back to software rendering more than non-Atoms do)" [High,Confirmed] | 02:34 |
| dobey | honestly sounds like the best option for you, would be ubuntu personal, when those snaps are ready | 02:35 |
| dobey | or better yet, building your own kiosk-ish snap | 02:35 |
| duflu | Although I would highly recommend not using Unity8 on Atoms for now (https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1580792) | 02:36 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1580792 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Unity8 on Intel Atoms performs poorly (falls back to software rendering more than non-Atoms do)" [High,Confirmed] | 02:36 |
| vmuser123_ | gotcha. Not sure what to do. This was a kiosk/pos machine that was given to me. touch screen monitor is really nice (24" medical grade) and wife wants me to mount it on the kitchen wall so we/she can use it to look up receipts & stuff while she cooks. will be monitor only | 02:36 |
| duflu | We know what the problem is, as we've already squeezed out all the Atom performance issues from Mir itself. Just remaining in Unity8 | 02:36 |
| vmuser123_ | performance is so bad I'd rather go back to Embedded POSReady7 | 02:37 |
| vmuser123_ | just thought that Touch may be a good alternative option. I don't mind a bug here & there but the Atom's performance is terrible | 02:38 |
| duflu | vmuser123_: Yes, we know. Please discuss it here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1580792 | 02:38 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1580792 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Unity8 on Intel Atoms performs poorly (falls back to software rendering more than non-Atoms do)" [High,Confirmed] | 02:38 |
| vmuser123_ | ok thank you. | 02:41 |
| duflu | Incidentally, Atoms + mir-demos render very nice and smooth now. So it's encouraging that the future is bright even for older Atom chips. We just need to find where in the Qt* and Unity8 code the remaining performance issue is | 02:43 |
| vmuser123_ | heh. interesting. I wouldn't usually choose Atom but this was free. Stinks because this mobo has SIM slot so I was interested in playing with Touch and phone features | 02:45 |
| dobey | the SIM on the board is only for data, doesn't have voice modem wired up on it | 02:55 |
| duflu | Fan fact: When I ported mir-demos to run properly on Atoms I found the difference was 200x faster. So that's the kind of slowdown we're dealing with when an Atom falls back to software rendering | 03:02 |
| duflu | Fun fact: I think I'm dyslexic | 03:03 |
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| ktchk | Hi can I just buy Meizu and port ubuntu to it?? | 10:49 |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | 11:35 |
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| ktchk | hi any one get meizu pro5 in hong kong? | 12:49 |
| davmor2 | ktchk: in theory it is doable there are instructions on line on how to do it | 12:53 |
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| ktchk | davmor2: have to change the internal boot ? | 13:01 |
| davmor2 | ktchk: http://askubuntu.com/questions/767323/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-meizu-pro-5-that-was-originally-with-android | 13:43 |
| UBport-use|48879 | anyone tried devel_rc-proposed 160? | 13:58 |
| matv1 | my phone turned orange | 14:26 |
| dobey | matv1: did you get an SMS from trump? | 14:31 |
| matv1 | dobey: I didnt. He probably tweeted. MakeUbuntuOrangeAgain! | 14:33 |
| matv1 | but i dont have twitter so yeah | 14:33 |
| mterry | tedg: seeing some errors with the systemd job for a legacy app (I'm trying to get firefox to launch in u8) | 14:34 |
| mterry | mm, let me pastebin | 14:34 |
| mterry | tedg: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23567928/ | 14:34 |
| mterry | That's the journalctl output that mentions firefox and the relevant unit file | 14:35 |
| tedg | mterry: That means the environment got to long... systemd only allows 2048 characters in the environment :-( | 14:35 |
| * tedg bitches about C programmers for a moment | 14:35 | |
| mterry | :( | 14:35 |
| tedg | mterry: There should be a warning in the URL dispatcher log | 14:36 |
| tedg | mterry: We're gonna have to prune more if it's coming up, I black listed a bunch of env vars to try to keep us under it, but we'll have to do more. | 14:36 |
| mterry | tedg: nothing interesting in url dispatcher that I see | 14:37 |
| mterry | tedg: can we create a wrapper script for the envs? | 14:37 |
| tedg | mterry: I think so, there seems to be some environment loading commands, but I haven't played with them yet. | 14:38 |
| dobey | tedg: clearly you should rewrite Xorg in golang then | 14:38 |
| tedg | mterry: We should be able to put something in /run or something | 14:38 |
| tedg | dobey: This is a systemd issue, and we are, it's called snapd ;-) | 14:38 |
| dobey | you mean systemd-snapd | 14:39 |
| mterry | tedg: ah yeah just to triple confirm: "(process:11574): ubuntu-app-launch-DEBUG: Environment length: 2138" | 14:40 |
| mterry | so close | 14:40 |
| dobey | good thing we don't do reverse domain namespacing any more | 14:41 |
| dobey | but even so, could easily make a package name long enough to cause problems :) | 14:41 |
| tedg | mterry: Shorten your username ;-) | 14:46 |
| mterry | haha | 14:47 |
| mterry | Won't Fix | 14:47 |
| mterry | tedg: we can also shorten the snap name to u8 | 14:48 |
| mterry | maybe reset the revision to a single digit | 14:48 |
| tedg | One digital will be enough for anyone! | 14:49 |
| tedg | digit | 14:49 |
| ogra_ | tedg, did you notice that installing unity8-session-snap on a unity7 system makes startup of apps really slow in the unity7 session (since the new debus session package showedf up) | 14:49 |
| ogra_ | *dbus | 14:49 |
| mterry | we have a bug about that... | 14:50 |
| mterry | ogra_: bug 1644323 | 14:50 |
| ogra_ | i.e. i usually hit ctrl-t after login a few times pretty quickly to bring up a handfull of terminals ... they take between 1-2 min to open | 14:50 |
| ubot5 | bug 1644323 in Canonical System Image "Installing unity8-session-snap adversely effects unity7" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1644323 | 14:50 |
| ogra_ | ah, perfect | 14:51 |
| * ogra_ subscribes | 14:51 | |
| mterry | ogra_: workaround for terminal is to launch it from launcher | 14:51 |
| ogra_ | ah | 14:51 |
| ogra_ | i doubt i can cheat my finger memory like that :) | 14:52 |
| mterry | :) | 14:53 |
| mterry | tedg: should I open a bug about this for tracking or should it be just folded an existing bug? | 14:55 |
| mterry | (the env limit) | 14:55 |
| tedg | mterry: Yeah, probably not a bad idea, I kinda see it part of getting the feature landed, but a bug is fine too. | 14:55 |
| mterry | More bugs means you get a more satisfying burst of "fix released" notices! | 14:57 |
| * tedg assumes at the Pearly Gates when he dies they'll ask how many e-mails he got | 14:58 | |
| tedg | mterry: Apparently silo 2129 is not installable, #snappy | 14:59 |
| * tedg is going to look into it but if you have ideas... | 14:59 | |
| mterry | must need a rebuild somewhere | 14:59 |
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| seb128 | tedg, Saviq was saying earlier that an oxide security upload created installability issues in the overlay, unsure if that's what you are seeing though | 15:00 |
| dobey | mterry: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-transfer/+bug/1638708/comments/1 | 15:01 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1638708 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "Hardcoded paths in desktop files need to be processed need $SNAP prefixing" [High,Triaged] | 15:01 |
| tedg | seb128: Hmm, perhaps, thanks for the tip! | 15:01 |
| seb128 | yw! | 15:02 |
| Saviq | tedg, that's only on xenial+o, though is the snap built from x? | 15:05 |
| tedg | Saviq: No, xenial+overlay+silo2129 | 15:06 |
| dobey | yes the snap is supposed to be built from x+o | 15:06 |
| Saviq | tedg, then yeah, that's the issue | 15:07 |
| Saviq | overlay has older oxide than xenial-security | 15:07 |
| Saviq | so BOOM | 15:07 |
| Saviq | https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2148 has it for overlay | 15:07 |
| tedg | LAND IT NOW! | 15:08 |
| tedg | :-) | 15:09 |
| dobey | it's in queue | 15:09 |
| mterry | Oh right, I dealt with that yesterday and my solution was just to add 2148 to my system and rebuild the snap | 15:10 |
| dobey | or just binary copy the packages over to 2129 | 15:16 |
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| la_juyis | hello everyone and welcome to today's session! | 19:02 |
| dobey | la_juyis: i'm clueless. but nice hair :) | 19:16 |
| la_juyis | dobey: ha, wrong channel xD but thanks :D | 19:19 |
| dobey | :D | 19:21 |
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