| mup | PR snapcraft#944 closed: Release changelog for 2.23 <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/944> | 01:33 |
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| mup | PR snapd#2403 opened: store: fix unhandled error from io.Copy() in download() <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2403> | 07:11 |
| madprops__ | very excited about snap | 09:53 |
| madprops__ | still dont understand it fully | 09:53 |
| madprops__ | thinking about what would happen with big applications like DEs | 09:54 |
| madprops__ | im guessing some of it will be global ... but temporarily? | 09:54 |
| madprops__ | will it be snap and the normal global system in conjunction | 09:55 |
| madprops__ | or will everything be snap | 09:55 |
| madprops__ | i wonder | 09:55 |
| madprops__ | but giving applications its jar and water to live is an idea ive always thought why it was not being implemented | 09:56 |
| madprops__ | idk | 09:56 |
| madprops | I saw a question that made me wonder, maybe someone can explain it to me "How do I verify that all 300 copies of libgnutls.so are patched and protected against the latest vulnerabilities?" | 19:15 |
| ali1234 | madprops: there is no good answer to that question, in the general sense. it has always been a problem for any type of app bundling | 19:28 |
| ali1234 | for highly important libraries involving encryption etc there will be platform snaps which will provide library sharing | 19:29 |
| ali1234 | and of course the core platform | 19:30 |
| ali1234 | but you can still get bitten by something obscure | 19:30 |
| madprops | that's what i feared | 19:32 |
| madprops | makes me think, this among other things, that maybe "snapifying" a system maybe not the way to go .. except for certain cases | 19:36 |
| madprops | like video games make sense | 19:36 |
| madprops | but at the same time you can have something like steam | 19:36 |
| madprops | but on the other hand it does have some benefits, like less prone to dependency hell and quicker updates | 19:45 |
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| qengho | madprops: I expect there will be a kind of scanner for out of date dependencies in packages, and shame as the major motivator for people to fix their bugs. | 19:57 |
| qengho | madprops: The great thing about snaps is that a broken package can only harm the things it is allowed touch, which is not very much -- pretty much only what it makes. | 19:59 |
| qengho | madprops: As always, you have to trust the person who makes the code. With snaps, there is no third person (a packager) who has to care enough also. | 20:01 |
| madprops | qengho, how do snap hosting works? do developers make a snap and publish it in some centralized server or they host it themselves? | 20:06 |
| qengho | madprops: There are central hosts, stores. | 20:09 |
| qengho | madprops: Your "snap" system has one in mind when you install. | 20:09 |
| qengho | madprops: And your machine ensures everything is up to date by checking its store every so often. | 20:10 |
| madprops | who mantains these stores monetarily? | 20:10 |
| qengho | madprops: You, if you develop a snap-using OS. Ubuntu has one. Probably others. | 20:12 |
| qengho | I use Ubuntu Core, so my machines ask Ubuntu's store. | 20:12 |
| qengho | I also upload a few packages to Ubuntu's store. I push to a Launchpad branch and it deposits compiled packages (for four architectures!) into my snap-package's Proposed channel in a few minutes. I make sure it looks right and then promote it to Stable channel in the store. | 20:15 |
| qengho | https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/ | 20:15 |
| madprops | nice | 20:19 |
| ali1234 | what architectures do you build for? | 20:20 |
| ali1234 | can snapcraft do cross-builds yet? | 20:20 |
| qengho | ali1234: Some parts have cross-build support, but not all. Some will be tricky. I build for x86, amd64, armhf, & amr64 | 20:22 |
| qengho | ali1234: Now that there's a virtual-machine build process, I suspect the built-in cross-build will die and we'll just emulate the other arch and run "native" there. | 20:23 |
| qengho | But I don't know a lot of that. | 20:23 |
| ali1234 | i find the launchpad workflow too slow for development | 20:24 |
| ali1234 | it would probably be okay once i actually get things working | 20:25 |
| qengho | Yeah, Launchpad isn't your development environment. | 20:26 |
| ali1234 | yeah... unfortunately my target is raspberry pi | 20:26 |
| ali1234 | so native builds are even slowed | 20:26 |
| qengho | ali1234: "snapcraft cleanbuild" runs lxc. Making that be a different architecture should be possible. | 20:28 |
| ali1234 | i couldn't get cleanbuild to even work for host architecture | 20:28 |
| qengho | Just some other wrapper to an emulator. | 20:28 |
| ali1234 | it just gives me apt errors | 20:28 |
| ali1234 | http://askubuntu.com/questions/787258/internal-server-error-when-retrieving-files-from-the-archive-in-lxd | 20:29 |
| qengho | http 500 from an archive? Sounds funny. Are you using a proxy or something? | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | no | 20:32 |
| qengho | ali1234: Well, that would be a problem common to every Ubuntu user everywhere, not specific to snapcraft. | 20:53 |
| ali1234 | it only happens with snapcraft | 20:53 |
| ali1234 | specifically, only with lxc it seems | 20:53 |
| ali1234 | also i didn't post that question | 20:53 |
| ali1234 | so it isnt just me | 20:54 |
| torusJKL | Hi. I have a qustion regarding building with autotools. | 23:01 |
| torusJKL | I want to instruct snapcraft to build witin the directory build_unix. | 23:01 |
| torusJKL | But the configure.ac file is in the directory dist. | 23:02 |
| torusJKL | I tried to use source-dir and specified dist. | 23:02 |
| torusJKL | It found the configure file but then it would say that I should not build in this directory. | 23:03 |
| torusJKL | The error is: Berkeley DB should not be built in the top-level or "dist" directories. Change directory to the build_unix directory and run ../dist/configure from there. | 23:15 |
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