[04:46] Morning Kilos howzit [04:50] hi Langjan [04:51] ok ty and you? [04:51] OK thks just burned the midnight oil then got lost [04:51] lol [04:52] what do you need to know with kde [04:52] took me a while to get used to it, but once you are familiar with it it works better [04:53] For starters this thing says proprietary drivers might be required to enable additional features [04:53] yes then just tick it [04:53] and it will look for drivers for graphics cards etc [04:53] refresh driver list? or just ok [04:53] ok [04:54] if you have nvidia graphics card then install nvidia-current [04:55] Have no idea what graphics [04:55] using the propriety ones you sometimes need to do a reinstall after kernel upgrades [04:55] it will tell you [04:55] oh maybe you should have done the refresh thing [04:55] then it looks for drivers [04:56] make up your mind, I dont have one here [04:56] click the launcher and type in drivers [04:57] I wanted to make a short cut to her documents then it tells me to enter file name and path [04:57] then tick additional drivers [04:57] ok one thing at a time [04:57] whwres the launcher [04:57] they blue K bottom left [04:58] everything is found from there [04:58] when you got time explore all it can do [04:58] nothing there about additional drivers [04:59] type in additional then [04:59] mine shows it [05:00] type in where [05:00] when you tick the blue k type [05:00] it goes in at the top of the window [05:00] thing [05:00] ? [05:01] no place to type [05:01] or search [05:02] im having a nightmare [05:03] nee man [05:03] when you tick the blue K bottom left it opens a small window [05:04] at the top is a line where you can type in [05:04] maybe you need to tick it to focus [05:04] it opens a menu but no type box [05:05] what [05:05] also it says new version available must I upgrade? [05:05] doesnt it say search at the top [05:05] no [05:05] it says help [05:06] at top and at bottom [05:06] can you type in there [05:06] so obviously if you use kde you need lots of help [05:06] no man [05:06] have you updated/upgraded [05:07] no [05:07] only updates installed [05:07] no upgrade [05:07] no place to type there either [05:07] open a terminal [05:08] do you see a terminal/konsole in that launcher [05:08] run command [05:08] yes [05:08] type in sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade [05:10] terminal disappears when I enter [05:12] it does not look like a terminal [05:12] just a little box [05:12] which kde have you installed [05:13] 14.04 [05:13] open another terminal [05:13] it gives E: The update command takes no arguments [05:14] try just sudo apt update [05:15] does not do anything [05:15] huh [05:15] wat maak jy daar oom [05:16] probeer 'n kak installasie doen [05:16] you type in update and it does nothing? [05:16] yes cursor just goes to next line [05:16] are you connected to the internet [05:16] yes [05:16] type in ping 8.8.8.8 [05:16] sudo apt-get update same result [05:17] dont use apt-get any more [05:18] sudo apt update [05:18] then sudo apt upgrade [05:18] yes I know just tried it in case [05:18] ping 8.8.8.8 same result [05:18] reboot it [05:18] sudo reboot [05:19] same result no result [05:19] shall I reboot and try start again? [05:20] yes [05:20] did you reboot after the install? [05:20] weird that terminal not working [05:20] Yes I did, ok at least that works [05:20] rebooting [05:20] again [05:20] lol [05:21] developing an allergy [05:21] then open terminal and type in sudo touch /forcefsck [05:21] thats weird man, mine just work everytime [05:22] first time i hear of a konsole not working [05:22] kde call a terminal konsole [05:22] ok done [05:22] you done the fsck [05:23] then reboot [05:23] ja man [05:23] it will do a file system check on booting [05:23] ok it worked [05:23] ok then open konsole [05:24] quick Q on the side [05:24] type in sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt upgrade' [05:24] yes? [05:24] nono [05:24] sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade [05:24] her docs were 16 GB but when loaded it only shows 12 [05:25] docs from where [05:25] backed up from win xp [05:25] do you have the original folder [05:25] terminal running on update upgrade [05:25] ok so 16g on xp [05:26] and 12g on ubuntu [05:26] its still on ext hard driibe and backed up on my machine [05:26] it shows 16 GB on my machine [05:26] does it show 12g on your machine [05:26] oh [05:27] first get everything upgraded etc then worry about docs [05:27] as long as you have the whole 16g on your machine thats good [05:27] ok doing uatoremove [05:27] done [05:28] no wait man [05:28] that auto remove you can do anytime [05:28] anyway [05:28] terminal said do autoremove [05:29] anyway its done update and upgrade [05:29] ok and now konsole works? [05:29] yes [05:30] ok now see if you start launcher can you type in additional drivers in the little top window [05:30] no [05:30] eish [05:32] it says system update available and new version also available [05:32] in notifications [05:32] leave the new version [05:33] my allergy is aggravating [05:33] but update if it wants to [05:34] if I go to update it wants to upgrade [05:34] lolol [05:35] upgrade to the new version or just upgrade 14.04 [05:35] look what it wants to upgrade [05:36] we should just install teamviewer and i can do it for you [05:36] that notification has disappreared [05:37] ah [05:37] thats because is just saw you upgraded [05:37] maybe [05:37] ok [05:38] how much space have you on drive [05:38] its smaal, 40 GB about 50% used [05:38] sjoe [05:38] ok do the autoremove [05:39] that will save a bit [05:39] gimme a few mins please [05:39] already done autoremove [05:41] ok [05:42] right what next' [05:42] I want to put a short cut to her documents on the desktop [05:43] do you see the small window desktop [05:43] small window desktop? [05:43] I see the icon, right click gives options [05:44] then create new [05:44] yes on the whole screen you should see a smallish window top left [05:44] then variuous link options [05:45] small window top right says desktop [05:45] anyway that window gets removed too easy imo [05:45] ? [05:46] you see the whole blue screen [05:46] it should show a 3 inch by 3 inch window as desktop on the top left corner [05:47] that little window gives shortcut settings etc [05:47] its top right corner [05:47] you can right click create new folder [05:47] call it docs [05:47] 3 by 3 ? [05:48] no [05:48] run command [05:48] then its gone hiding already [05:48] add widgets [05:48] add panel [05:48] activities [05:48] those are the options [05:48] and lock widgets [05:49] ill try get you a screenshot when i change drives [05:49] lock screen ' [05:49] i think you did a bad install there [05:49] nee man nie daai goed nie [05:49] wel daars niks links bo nie [05:50] should be a small window about 1/3 the size of the screen [05:50] niks nie [05:50] ai! [05:51] anyway if you fiddle in it and tick wrong stuff it goes into hiding [05:51] ok [05:51] so [05:51] go to launcher [05:51] then hover over computer [05:51] then tick home [05:52] in home you will see options [05:52] one is desktop [05:52] tick that [05:52] no computer in menu [05:52] eish [05:53] lemme do screenshot [05:53] now I have search term via three colored dots next to K [05:54] favourites, applications, computer , recently used and leave [05:54] do you see that [05:54] no [05:54] what have you done [05:54] only favorites [05:54] foloowed advice to use kde [05:55] wat maak die oom [05:55] ya but you doing it with bad feelings man [05:55] no then I would not have done it [05:55] that isnt a good install so far [05:56] open terminal and type in sudo apt install aptitude [05:56] I will have to leave you shortly [05:56] ok ill be here on and off all day [05:57] then type in sudo aptitude reinstall kubuntu-desktop [05:57] how do you open a terminal in this damn thing? [05:57] when you tick the launcher do you see the search block at the top [05:57] run command gives that silly little box again [05:57] and konsole is there too [05:58] when you get back give me a shout and we try sort it [05:58] i would install from scratch' [05:59] are you using whole drive for kde [05:59] or running alongside [05:59] aptitude installling [05:59] whole drive [06:00] ok [06:00] now it gives new version of kubuntu option again [06:00] i have no idea how it can be 50% used then [06:01] i have 14.04 on an 8g stick [06:01] yes it nags with that till you turn it off [06:01] well 40 GB drive with 16 GB docs leaves about 20GB free almost 50% [06:01] oh the docs there already? [06:01] yes [06:01] sjoe [06:02] never put the cart before the horses man [06:02] but shows up as 20 GB strange [06:02] you like getting everyone into the car before you put the wheels on [06:02] well the thing was installed [06:03] didnt know kde comes in drips and drabs [06:03] no man [06:03] ai! [06:03] jy kan bly wees jy so ver [06:04] met my allergie ja [06:04] lol [06:04] lmga! [06:04] you actually need to play on a working kde and get used to it then you will see how lekker it is [06:05] and you always have hassles when installing [06:05] so is upgrade not an option to try? [06:05] not the one to 16.04 no [06:05] ok [06:05] what are the pc specs [06:05] I dont have such hassles installing ubuntu [06:06] if its fast you can install 16.04 [06:06] yes you did you just got used to it now and forgot your hassles [06:06] I upgraded ram from 512 to 1 GB [06:06] ai! [06:06] always try have over 2g ram [06:07] otherwise things are slow [06:07] ja man thats all I had [06:07] i have 4g and would like 8g [06:07] its not running slow [06:07] good then its quite a fast pc [06:07] Good little Fujitsu [06:08] Amilo pro [06:08] have you done aptitude reinstall kubuntu-desktop [06:08] no it seems to be stuck on processing triggers for libc-bin [06:09] patience [06:09] thats where more ram works [06:09] things happen quicker [06:10] dont have time will let it run then contact you later today [06:10] ok [06:10] go well [06:11] you too thkas Kilos [06:11] yw sir [06:12] ok changed my schedule, will contact you when it has done running [06:17] lol [06:33] Can aptitude take that long to install? [06:34] no its something not happy there [06:34] but the desktop reinstall is lots [06:35] basically the whole system [06:35] as long as it doesnt show error messages you just leave it to run [06:35] but im sure that was a bad install from scratch [06:36] maybe some bad sectors in the drive [06:36] Aptitude is 11 MB [06:36] aptitude installs in seconds on a good drive [06:36] I have not got to desktop yet [06:36] only aptitude [06:37] you should put the drive in your pc then use disks to format it then clean install [06:37] i mean once formatted then put it back and clean install [06:37] will the lappie drive fit? standard coupling? [06:38] is it sata [06:38] dunno [06:38] if its an idea drive you will need an adapter [06:39] but you can do it from your cd as well [06:39] have you got 14.04 on stick or dvd [06:39] boot on ubuntu cd in lappie? [06:39] yes [06:39] dvd [06:39] yes boot from dvd [06:39] then run disks [06:40] disk utility, i forget what its called [06:40] use a unity disk [06:40] even and earlier release [06:40] ok lets do that but give me a while [06:40] 10.10 or something [06:40] no rush [06:40] can do 12.04 or 10.04 [06:41] a12.04 [06:41] you can even check for bad blocks from the dvd i think [06:45] termnal died again [06:45] boot from dvd [06:46] will run thro your instructions and keep in touch [06:46] give me a while [06:48] ok [07:04] ahoy ZA! [07:04] Format to ntfs? [07:04] no man [07:04] ext4 [07:04] ahoy pavlushka [07:04] ok [07:05] hi pavlushka ' [07:05] Hello Langjan & Kilos :) [07:05] see what blitsbokke did to nz and fiji [07:05] and morning every one. [07:05] no i have no tv here by ian [07:06] Kilos: then go to neighbor's house [07:06] nz 40-0, fiji in final 26-14 [07:06] hahaha [07:06] green and gold monsters [07:07] lol [07:07] revenge for 15-man fiasco [07:33] I think my dvd's are not good, none will boot, only 10.04 which does not seem to have disks available. Will try to burn new iso [07:33] use 10.04 [07:33] and gparted [07:34] delete every thing and make new drive [07:34] is it called disk utility? [07:34] ext4 and you can name it i think [07:34] disk utility is good too [07:35] its a sata disk [07:35] thats ok [07:35] gparted will fix it if no disk utility [07:37] ok now its New Volume 39GB ext4, is that it? Now fresh install [07:37] yes [07:38] Going for Ubuntu 14.04 [07:38] new volume is a stupid name for a drive [07:38] i name them according to size [07:38] like 40g [07:38] Whats in a name [07:38] when you do paths one day to find something you will see [07:39] short clear name [07:39] easier to track [07:39] no spaces or funny characters [07:44] It refers to a required firmware update [07:44] install from scratch [07:44] I saw the same error in kde install but it passed on before I could get all the details [07:45] firmware for where [07:45] the motherboard [07:45] will have to restert and get back to that message [07:45] ok [07:48] can nthe screen be frozen on that message? [07:48] maybe with pause button [07:48] i have no idea [07:50] did not pause, all I got was error dev sr0 sector 107900 and then where was a weblink that I could not get [07:51] ok try the install [07:51] we can look for bad blocks later [07:51] the bad blocks command marks them so they arent used [07:52] same as scandisk in old windows and chkdsk in later ones [07:52] then funny install screen with three horizontal bars, black top and bottom and red in the middle, same screen showed with kde install and disappeared afterwards, I thought it was as it should be but also shows on Ubuntu install [07:52] but we will first check if there are bad blocks [07:53] dont forget all linux is more sensitive to faulty or weak drives than windows is [07:53] tell the tannie to save for an ssd [07:53] Cursor shows inside a 20 x 20 mm red block that moves around with it [07:54] window does not respond to click [07:54] ok ts going now [07:55] She did not even want to spend R300 on 2GB RAM [07:56] lol [07:56] I had two 512 modules that I donated [07:57] good man [07:57] store up blessings in heaven not here [07:58] what about the firmware warning? [07:59] lets see if it works first [07:59] could be a fujitso mb upgrade [07:59] thats major work [07:59] error copying files, clean dvd, drive, burn at lower speed or check hard disk age [07:59] ai! [07:59] clean it [08:00] wipe from centre outwards [08:00] with soft damp cloth [08:01] ok installer crashed, will do and keep in touch [08:04] ok good luck [08:05] i think that drive not in good nick [08:07] I think you think right for a change, lmga! [08:08] See my mail re paypal, does not recognise tara's id [08:09] oh my [08:10] see pm [08:12] The link looks like this, I googled the part I could get down: https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/brcm80211 [08:14] lemme see [08:20] install screen is not clear tells me things are not kosher [08:21] try this [08:21] use gparted again [08:22] make a 5g partition and dont use it then make a partition for the rest of the drive and install there [08:22] must I abort install? It's done about 70% [08:22] or install xp on 5g [08:22] well see how far it goes first [08:23] dont abort [08:23] it will tell you if it cant complete [08:24] the first 5g is where most damage occurs [08:24] boot sectors and so on [08:24] i have used widows to use that part of the drive and installed alongside [08:24] oh no [08:25] not alongside [08:25] in the left over part of drive [08:25] but i think then you must make partitions for / which is root and /swap and /home [08:28] Seems to be installing [08:28] configuring now [08:28] yay [08:40] thank you very much oom Langjan [08:40] hi pavlushka [08:40] Hello Kilos :) [08:40] I am almost done with the keyboard layout conf :) [08:41] just 1 key short [08:45] well done pavlushka [08:45] OK Kilos I have to go for a while, will be in touch [08:45] Kilos: thanks :) [08:45] ok ty Langjan [08:45] ill be here [09:20] btw, how to set pm off, someone is spamming me in private [09:21] with diff nick [09:24] pavlushka: /block *. ? [09:32] hi there frog boots [09:36] Hey oom Kilos. Hoe gaan dit? [09:37] ok dankie en jy seun? [09:41] Goed. All quiet this side this morning [10:20] Kilos, it has installed with message "Firmware not found: b43/ucodes.fw" and some more that I could not get. Chat later [10:20] sjoe [10:23] Langjan https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2243945 [10:23] i go lie down for a while [13:09] You there Kilos ? [13:09] yessir [13:10] just mailed you [13:10] Have a good rest? [13:10] kinda [13:10] how far did your installation get [13:10] Not feeling well or pain or missing your ladies or combination? [13:11] all of the above [13:11] hehe [13:11] just feel a bit weak for some reason [13:11] maybe its the heat [13:11] Running nicely on ubuntu 14.04 with gnome desktp, diska shows no bad sectors [13:11] disks [13:11] run that command in the mail [13:11] it is pretty hot [13:12] it will check properly [13:12] ok [13:12] we 39°c here atm [13:12] let me check [13:13] just the first command will show the state of the drive [13:13] if no bad sectors then no further worries [13:13] 35 in the shade but with ceiling insulation we close windows and curtains mid-morning then inside keeps cool [13:14] yeah that could help [13:14] they got wonderful coolers in melbourne [13:14] water coolers [13:14] big square thing on roof [13:14] cools whole house to where i shiver [13:17] invalid last block [13:18] then run the next command and it will mark it [13:18] my cuz reckons Steve Biko is your best bet [13:19] is that here [13:19] Pretoria, old H F Verwoerd [13:20] I think there is an error in your badblocks command? [13:23] Aussies are well-organized [13:23] blanke toesig [13:26] oh [13:26] i had a friend pass in that hospital [13:26] service and care sucked [13:27] kalafong is good [13:27] had my hernia done there [13:27] but far from rustenburg [13:30] # sudo badblocks -v /dev/sda1 > /tmp/bad-blocks.txt [13:30] that should tell you if there are any [13:31] look in tmp folder and read [13:31] service and care sucks in all hospitals, even private ones [13:31] lol [13:31] njono [13:31] nono [13:31] few exceptions [13:31] kalafong was great when i went midyear about [13:32] it looks like its checking [13:32] and the hernia op was well done with no comebacks [13:32] yes I remember you had good experience there well then you gotta go for it [13:32] where is kalafong [13:32] and [13:32] proffesors do the serious work while interns watch [13:33] south of pretoria along church street [13:33] but thats also too far from here [13:33] ian says he hears good stuff about swartruggens hospital [13:33] ok I see it, its closest to you where you live? [13:33] busy enquiring more [13:33] yes [13:34] so whats the prob? [13:34] what prob? [13:34] you looking for advice about where to go [13:35] oh ye i was hoping to find a good one in rustenburg area [13:35] time away from work costs ian money [13:35] and adds to workload later [13:36] swartruggens is not too far from there but seems like Rustenburg is not to be recommended, pity Jak is no longer there. [13:36] yes swartruggens is 40 ks [13:37] They appointed a nurse that he trained as super above him, then he upped and left [13:37] eish [13:37] thats whe way things are done [13:38] that machine is still checking, says (read only) test - is it a long process? [13:39] it checks the whole drive [13:39] sector by sector [13:39] 38 million sectors so I suppose it will take its time [13:39] lol [13:39] try it on a 1tb drive [13:40] eish...I can imagine [13:41] but then you know where you stand [13:42] it always happens that your most critical system functions always land in bad areas [13:44] ive had those invalid sector probs before and only way to get rid of it was to zero the whole drive [13:52] * pavlushka just added the layout and its working. yay. [13:53] cool beans pavlushka [13:53] হা হা হা [13:54] no one here understands gibberish [13:54] translation "ha ha ha" [13:55] lol [13:58] zero errors [13:58] yay [14:02] drive wasnt properly cleaned for the kde installation [14:45] Thks a span Kilos [14:48] for what lan [14:48] ai! [15:43] good evenng all [15:44] hi magespawn [15:44] hey Kilos [16:06] hey Kilos you back home? [16:10] yes magespawn staying by ian in rustenburg [16:10] lekker beautiful farm but crappie internet [16:15] ah yes, you can rarely have both [16:20] wbb [17:34] haha paddatrapper the ddg function works well [17:41] Kilos: awesome :) [17:42] im using the bot pavlushka has running by them [17:42] or testing it that is [18:04] Kilos: is that part of the new ibid project? [20:04] night all. sleep tight [20:56] good night all [21:02] howzit okes? hows your sunday evenings?