[00:00] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Just trying to do me best. Should I run it again with pastebinit?
[00:00] <Jordan_U> clarkk: ls -l /usr/local/bin/testing-logoff-script2
[00:01] <clarkk> Jordan_U: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root users 118 Dec  3 23:28 /usr/local/bin/testing-logoff-script2
[00:01] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: I would expect it to still be on the terminal .. try and copy and paste direct to pastebinit ?
[00:01] <Jordan_U> clarkk: Also, I assume that you checked in /root/test-logoff-script.log .
[00:01] <clarkk> Jordan_U: yes, it's not there
[00:01] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, It is, how would I do that?
[00:02] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Yeah, I do know you are doing all your best . I too am trying to get through this. And we will .. just time and effort .
[00:02] <Jordan_U> clarkk: Actually, try "date >> /tmp/test_log.txt" in case lightdm runs as its own user that doesn't have a home directory.
[00:02] <Bashing-om> !paste
[00:03] <clarkk> Jordan_U: I tried that first, but I think it gets cleared out on reboot.
[00:03] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Point your browser to " http://paste.ubuntu.com " /// copy and paste there .
[00:03] <Jordan_U> clarkk: Why are you rebooting rather than just logging out?
[00:04] <clarkk> Jordan_U: I need it to run regardless. OK, I can change it and test the logout
[00:05] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23575473/
[00:05] <Jordan_U> clarkk: Also, please make sure that you're using lightdm as a login manager and not gdm/xdm/etc.
[00:05] <clarkk> Jordan_U: actually, according to http://askubuntu.com/a/134534, it takes only effect after lightdm is restarted. You can either reboot or login to a console (Ctrl+Alt+F1) and run sudo restart lightdm
[00:06] <clarkk> Jordan_U: I'm going to test it again. brb
[00:09] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Unexpected somewaht .. but not too shabby . let's get a new look . show now ' df -h ; dpkg -l | grep linux ' . Where I do expect we deal with the linux-image-extra components .
[00:09] <clarkk> Jordan_U: ugh, it won't accept sudo restart lightdm. It returns something like, connection to upstart refused :/
[00:09] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23575483/
[00:10] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, That's pretty good!
[00:10] <clarkk> Jordan_U: how do I determine whether I'm using lightdm?
[00:10] <Jordan_U> clarkk: sudo systemctl restart lightdm
[00:10] <Jordan_U> clarkk: systemctl status lightdm
[00:11] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: ' df -h ' ? we making headway now ?
[00:12] <howarth> the ubuntu virtualbox package seems to be really broken
[00:12] <howarth> whereas the oracle virtualbox-5.1 works perfectly
[00:12] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23575492/
[00:12] <howarth> the ubuntu ones are at 5.1.6 and behave extremely sluggishly and never produce a usable installation of Windows 10
[00:12] <howarth> whereas the oracles ones install Windows 10 extremely fast and produce a usable copy
[00:12] <clarkk> Jordan_U: it says, active (running)
[00:12] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Yes, I think so!
[00:13] <Jordan_U> clarkk: Then that's what you're using at the moment.
[00:13] <clarkk> Jordan_U: ok, testing it. brb
[00:14] <Jordan_U> !bug | howarth
[00:16] <howarth> perhaps it will clear up when ubuntu upgrades
[00:17] <howarth> oracle's virtualbox-5.1 is at 5.1.10 whereas ubuntu's is a 5.1.6
[00:17] <Bashing-om> yomYeah we making headway ..There are many things I do not understand the why of .. in this case why we still have a status of "pH" when we remove the images . Let's now poke at it once more ' sudo dpkg -P linux-image-extra-3.16.0-72-generic ' , See if it can be removed .
[00:17] <howarth> rather puzzled why ubuntu is bothering with the duplication
[00:17] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: ^^
[00:17] <howarth> considering upstream at oracle seems to support the exact same thing for all the ubuntu releases
[00:17] <Jordan_U> howarth: Do you have a support question?
[00:18] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Got it!
[00:18] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, It completed without error
[00:19] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Scratch that, it completed
[00:20] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Wow .. great ! again try as ' sudo dpkg -P linux-image-extra-4.04.0-34-generic ' .
[00:20] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23575519/
[00:20] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I'll run that next
[00:21] <clarkk> Jordan_U: it doesn't work. Also, running that systemctl restart causes errors in lightdm and and appport
[00:21] <blackflow> howarth: Linux native virtualization with KVM is superb. You should try that instead.
[00:22] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, "dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove linux-image-extra-4.04.0-34-generic which isn't installed"
[00:22] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Looks good BUT !! What in the world have you for a boot loader ? I have not seen " Testing for an existing GRUB menu.lst file ... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst " ---- in Years .
[00:23] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, If I knew, I would tell you XD :D
[00:24] <Jordan_U> tom-macbook: Is this a BIOS based or UEFI based installation?
[00:24] <tom-macbook> Jordan_U, Bashing-om, Well, I suppose I should give you some background on the system.
[00:24] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Typo on my part again, should be as  ' sudo dpkg -P linux-image-extra-4.4.0-34-generic ' .. that silly lottle '0' on the wring place .
[00:24] <sploiteer> #drupal
[00:24] <blackflow> howarth: btw, the Virtualbox in Ubuntu _is_ the upstream one. Unless you're thinking about open source vs closed source version? Well Ubuntu cannot distribute the closed source one. But anyway, VB is obsolete nowadays, KVM is more than capable.
[00:25] <tom-macbook> Jordan_U, Bashing-om, My goal for it is so I can pop the 500gb laptop harddrive into any computer (not 32bit) and then have it as my system.
[00:25] <tom-macbook> Jordan_U, Bashing-om, Some are Bios, others are UEFI.
[00:26] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I'll run that now
[00:27] <tom-macbook> Jordan_U, Bashing-om I have alot of OS-less Towers and Laptops that I don't have Harddrives for or want to bother installing anything on, so I figured why not have one drive for all of them?
[00:28] <kk4ewt> tom-macbook,  that really isnt very practical different machines == different hardware that may or maynot  work
[00:28] <kk4ewt> tom-macbook,  your best bet would be live iso on a usb
[00:29] <tom-macbook> kk4ewt, es, I realize this. I also use it for personal things however.
[00:29] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, It finished without any errors.
[00:31] <tom-macbook> kk4ewt, It's good to tinker with.
[00:31] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Figuring out the boot loader once more may be a ral trip .. I do not even remember how to deal with /boot/grub/menu.lst . Was such a long time ago . But for now next ' sudo dpkg -P linux-image-extra-4.4.0-38-generic ' .
[00:32] <Jordan_U> tom-macbook: sudo apt install grub-pc grub-efi-amd64-signed
[00:32] <howarth> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1314587
[00:32] <howarth> looks like the same issue for the prior OS releases
[00:32] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I'll run that!
[00:33] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Yes, and the bootloader works in all the places I need, we can save that for another time ;)
[00:33] <tom-macbook> Jordan_U, So what is that and how does it work?
[00:35] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, That one also completed without error! :D
[00:36] <Bashing-om> Jordan_U: tom-macbook We still have " iU  linux-generic  " so let us not install anything new yet . And before updating/upgrading/installing we want to disable proposed and backport repos !
[00:37] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I can do that right now!
[00:38] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Proposed and Backports are unchecked
[00:38] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: ' sudo dpkg -P linux-image-extra-4.4.0-42-generic ' .
[00:41] <Datboi> Hi
[00:41] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, It's done
[00:41] <Datboi> I'm new to IRC
[00:42] <tom-macbook> Datboi, Welcome!
[00:42] <Datboi> Thanks
[00:43] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: ' sudo dpkg -P linux-image-extra-4.4.0-43-generic ' . Should be the last -extra . next we try and batch purge the related headers .
[00:43] <tom-macbook> Datboi, You can ask a question relating to ubuntu or find other channels. You can also adress someone in the chat by beginning their name and pressing tab
[00:43] <Datboi> Thanks for the information
[00:45] <dikiaap> Oh boi
[00:45] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: run now ' sudo dpkg -P linux-headers-4.4.0-{34,38,42,43}-generic ' .
[00:46] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Alright. It just finished
[00:46] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I'll make a pastebinit
[00:47] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: O got ahead of us (!) // see my XX:46 entry .
[00:48] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23575597/
[00:48] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, What do you mean?
[00:49] <nahtnam> Hey
[00:49] <nahtnam> If I install `ruby-dev`
[00:49] <nahtnam> will that install ruby and gem?
[00:50] <nahtnam> because I did that in my ci, and it says gem: command not found
[00:50] <clarkk> Jordan_U: do you have any more suggestions, please?
[00:52] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: As to the " /lib/modules/ we best look, and get ready to get dirty . I do not know the why here either . but we can recover.  pastebin ' ls -al /lib/modules/ ' and let's see what we have to do .
[00:52] <Ou42> hello
[00:53] <Jordan_U> clarkk: What errors do you see?
[00:53] <Ou42> linux mint user here, but I think I'm Ok here...
[00:53] <Ou42> installed to usb drive on a win8 laptop. told it to put grub on the keydrive and it appeared to not listen, oh but it did. it's MS/Win/UEFI issue. I installed and ran a boot-repair and it added items to boot menu on the keydrive, but I need them apparently on the hdd. any help?
[00:53] <Jordan_U> !mint | Ou42
[00:53] <DrNapster> anyone using 4k with ubuntu mate? how do you make it usable?
[00:53] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23575612/
[00:53] <Ou42> it's a grub issue, s'ok? an ubuntu boot-repair thing almost worked.
[00:54] <Ou42> i have a link to the pastebin
[00:54] <Jordan_U> Ou42: #grub for grub issues, ##linux for help with any distro. This channel is for Ubuntu support only.
[00:54] <KOLANICH> hi all again. I've managed to install grub and boot from lvm. But I have a few issues. I'm not sure if grub-install is the last stage of installation. I have "install kubuntu permanently" item in the menu. When I was installing packages it asked cdrom though it was in the drive. And I have some weird hdd disks (which are not my hdd) in partition manager and it says they are unwriteable.
[00:54] <Ou42> i told it to install grub on the keydive and it did... but EFI did something and i have to reboot each time i trun on the pc to get it to the grub menu on the keydrive. how can i get grub2 efi menu on the hdd?
[00:55] <KOLANICH> Should I reinstall it again?
[00:56] <Ou42> Jordan_U: gotcha
[00:57] <clarkk> Jordan_U: it brings up the dialog that says "report a problem"
[00:59] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Well, package manager was not lyeing to us ... show also ' ls -al /usr/src/ ' and we get dirty .
[00:59] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Okay, can do. What is the problem here?
[01:00] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23575628/
[01:01] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: I had expected that the files in /lib/modules that the package manager would have automagically dealt with . I do not know the why the PM did not .
[01:02] <DrNapster> what is the best way to get 4k looking good? any suggestions?
[01:02] <Sean_McG> DrNapster: make sure VAAPI and/or VDPAU work on your machine
[01:03] <Sean_McG> DrNapster: and more realistically, have a recent nVidia card and their proprietary binary blob driver
[01:03] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I see
[01:04] <DrNapster> i have proprietary nvidia for my 1070 everything is just unusably small the scaling is awful
[01:04] <BetaTD> sup?
[01:05] <BetaTD> someone have good examples of cpu benchmark code?
[01:05] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Humm,... I must have messed up somewhere on removing the headers . let's see what now results ' sudo dpkg -P linux-headers-4.4.0-{34,38,42,43} ' .
[01:05] <BetaTD> or some default problems to do bench on linux machines
[01:06] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, If you did, no worries. This is a great learning experience for us all
[01:07] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, It completed, doesn't say anything about errors
[01:08] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: gimme a bit to gather my thoughts .. think we may want to try in re-install "iU  linux-image-generic " stuff .. think'n .
[01:08] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Alright :)
[01:09] <Sean_McG> DrNapster: ah OK then... check that VDPAU and VAAPI work then
[01:09] <Sean_McG> DrNapster: I have a 1070 as well :)
[01:10] <DrNapster> im not sure what you mean by vdpau and vaapi
[01:10] <timeless[m]> hi
[01:10] <Sean_McG> DrNapster: Google is a thing :)
[01:10] <DrNapster> yeah im working on the google now lol
[01:11] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Still thin'nnnn // I got a honey-do to take care of .. be back in a bit - maybe 15 minites ?
[01:11] <DrNapster> oh also i should mention im using ubuntu mate
[01:11] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Alrighty! I'll work on this macbook in the meantime.
[01:15] <tom-macbook> Jordan_U, So, what is that apt-get command you sent?
[01:17] <Sean_McG> DrNapster: some hints: open up a Terminal window and check the results of 'vainfo' and 'vdpauinfo'
[01:22] <chalcedny> is there a thing like system restore in ubuntu?
[01:22] <clarkk> Jordan_U: are you still around?
[01:22] <chalcedny> whatever happened to my husband's hard drive is bad bad
[01:23] <bazhang> restore from backups chalcedny
[01:23] <ObrienDave> chalcedny, not like what you're thinking for windows
[01:24] <chalcedny> ObrienDave, its a cool feature in windows
[01:24] <ObrienDave> yes, i know. i started with Win2 ;P
[01:24] <chalcedny> :)
[01:24] <chalcedny> i never used to mess with windows
[01:25] <Jordan_U> tom-macbook: It looks like you currently have grub legacy installed. The command I gave will install packages for grub2 for both BIOS and UEFI. (Either of which will only result in a system that is bootable if you otherwise have the appropriate partitions like a BIOS Boot Parittion and an EFI System Partition mounted to /boot/efi/ (those are two separate partitions)).
[01:26] <chalcedny> putting his back together i don't know how to do.
[01:26] <tomreyn> chalcedny: what's up with this hard drive?
[01:26] <tom-macbook> Jordan_U, Is there any way to have both?
[01:26] <Jordan_U> tom-macbook: Yes. You just need to have the things I mentioned setup.
[01:27] <tom-macbook> Jordan_U, Awesome!!! You just gave me the answer i've been after for months
[01:27] <chalcedny> tomreyn, he woke up yesterday after it crashed. it says the drive is full, but it shouldnt be. we got it to boot to one of his 3 users, but its 14.04, not 16.04 like it should be, and it had no internet connection (wired)
[01:27] <nubcake> how can i get mysql-server to accept connections from my lan?
[01:27] <chalcedny> we managed to get it to see the web
[01:28] <nubcake> lsof -Pni :3306 is: mysqld  1332 mysql   27u  IPv4  17320      0t0  TCP 127.0.0.1:3306 (LISTEN)
[01:28] <chalcedny> it has no ssh and repositories are basic for trusty only
[01:28] <Jordan_U> tom-macbook: If you want to be able to move the drive from one computer to another you'll also need to run "sudo grub-install --removeable --target=x86_64-efi".
[01:28] <tomreyn> chalcedny: oh i missed the backlog on this. alright. reinstalling is probably the easiest.
[01:29] <tomreyn> also i'm afraid i got to go for some 40 miniutes...
[01:29] <chalcedny> tomreyn, hes sleeping, enjoy but if you can help id sure be grateful :)
[01:30] <tomreyn> chalcedny: look into why it seems that the drive is full first, use 'df' and 'du' on a terminal
[01:30] <chalcedny> ah ok
[01:31] <tom-macbook> Jordan_U, Amazing, Thank you so much!
[01:31] <tomreyn> or Baobab as a graphical tool
[01:31] <chalcedny> can we fix repositories and get ssh back?
[01:31] <tom-macbook> Jordan_U, After I figure out this issue with my headers and kernals, I'll be sure to do that!
[01:32] <chalcedny> its a lot easier for me to work from my system
[01:32] <tom-macbook> Jordan_U, Would I run that grub update every time i switch computers?
[01:44] <Frozenlock> Hello folks. Any ideas if Chromium 55 will be packaged soon for Ubuntu 16? I've been struggling with this bug https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=631171 since I upraded 14 -> 16 and it's driving me mad. :-(
[01:45] <ObrienDave> i have Chrome 55
[01:46] <Frozenlock> But not Chromium, right?
[01:47] <ObrienDave> ummm, mo
[01:50] <kostkon> !info chromium-browser xenial
[01:51] <marapor> 7buffer 41
[01:52] <scragglez> Where does ubuntu save the path for current backgrounds? I've been modifying .config/gnome-control-center/backgrounds/last-edited.xml but it doesn't seem to actually be changing anything
[01:52] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: I am back ,, you still here ? Do we continue ?
[01:53] <ObrienDave> if you really need chromium 55 there is a PPA but that would be unsupported here
[01:53] <Geo> Can I plug a SATA internal HD into an E-SATA port? Is there any pro/con to using that port over the standard sata port?
[01:54] <ObrienDave> geo, with an Esata to sata adapter, yes. Esata can do 5Gbps iirc
[01:54] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Yep!
[01:55] <ObrienDave> Frozenlock, if you really need chromium 55 there is a PPA but that would be unsupported here
[01:55] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Let's finish this
[01:55] <kostkon> scragglez, control center is probably hardcoded to look in /usr/share/backgrounds
[01:55] <Geo> ObrienDave: ok, they're physically different plugs then?
[01:55] <ObrienDave> geo, yes they are
[01:55] <Geo> cool, thanks
[01:56] <scragglez> kostkon: ah, thanks
[01:58] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, What do you have in mind?
[01:58] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Let's try and stay clean . run next ' sudo dpkg -P linux-image{,-extra}-4.4.0-{46,52}-generic linux-headers-4.4.0-{46,52}{,-generic} ' . We will return to the /lib/modules/ and perhaps /usr/src/ if and when we have too .
[01:59] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, KO
[02:00] <Frozenlock> ObrienDave: Might be worth a look. Could you give me the link?
[02:00] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: I can accept that the removal of -52 will have errors . if so .. lemme know !
[02:02] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23575784/
[02:07] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Yuk - semi so yuk - Did I forget to pull the 3.16 headers ? .. let's get a new status from ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' and see where we now stand .
[02:09] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23575808/
[02:10] <Geo> amd this is maybe just a little off topic, so please feel free to redirect me- but i'm transitioning my ubuntu drives to a new computer. I have 4 drives in a raid 5 for large storage, and 2 drives mirrored for OS/home dirs. I'll need to add a sata pcie card to accomodate them all, should the OS drives be on the motherboard sata ports, or the pcie sata ports?
[02:13] <tomreyn> Geo: it probably doesn't matter unless you've got a mix of 3 / 6 gbps controllers or drives. also, usually (but not necessarily) a separate controller will have more cache, which may be another criteria that might matter.
[02:13] <Geo> tomreyn, thanks! more cache is better, I assume?
[02:14] <tomreyn> faster reads, unless it also does write caching, but then it should have a battery which it probably doesn't have unless you pay extra.
[02:14] <ObrienDave> yes, unless you like bashing spinning rust drives ;P
[02:15] <Geo> ObrienDave, which configuration would you recommend?
[02:15] <Wotac> hi, i tried to install more fonts but the PPAs didn't really work, now one of them altered fontconfig and updating or installing software doesn't work
[02:15] <Wotac> it suggests that i do "apt-get -f install" but it can't do that
[02:16] <ObrienDave> so, you want to use unsupported PPAs, and then ask for help fixing it?
[02:16] <Wotac> no, i want to revert it so i won't be using it after all
[02:17] <ObrienDave> that entails fixing what you did
[02:17] <Wotac> it's saying this: "libfontconfig1 : Depends: fontconfig-config (= 2.12.1-0-0ubuntu3-bohoomil-ultimate-ppa20160423) but 2.11.94-0ubuntu2 is installed"
[02:17] <tomreyn> Geo: unless you are willing to review and compare the mainboard controller and separate controllers' specifications (and the BIOS is able to boot from either) it doesn't matter at all.
[02:18] <ObrienDave> Geo, I'm not much of a RAID person
[02:18] <Geo> yeah, i hear you... i guess the real question is, is the pcie bus itself a bottleneck
[02:19] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, /boot has 193mb free space
[02:19] <Geo> I'd want the performance on the OS disks
[02:19] <tomreyn> Geo: not if it's PCIe 3.0 (6 Gbps)
[02:20] <tomreyn> Geo: IF you'll review the specifications and there are differences which suggest one of the controllers will be faster, then decide what's more important to you: slightly shorter OS boot time and application start time, or slightly faster access to stored data?
[02:20] <Geo> ok, thanks again
[02:21] <Somethingss> Do I get Mate (terminal) support?
[02:21] <Somethingss> I mean here in this channel, or is it an another one?
[02:22] <ObrienDave> Somethingss, you can ask in #ubuntu-mate for Mate specific things. here for Ubuntu core issues
[02:22] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Huh ? as much as we have removed ?? and setting at only 193mb free space .. where are you seeing this from ?? last "df" I saw we were looking good . If we are for real at such a meager free space sure puts the brakes on the next recommnedation !
[02:23] <tomreyn> Geo: you should rather use RAID6 than RAID5, though, it is  much better.
[02:23] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, This is according to the File Systems tab of the System Monitor. May or may not be up to speed with the system itself
[02:23] <x4m> deutsche hier?
[02:24] <tomreyn> !de | x4m
[02:24] <tom-macbook> x4m, Entschuldigung!
[02:24] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: : Let's check again ' df -h ' . as that is real time .
[02:25] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, 185mb free. 58% used.
[02:27] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: I hit that big red button again my accident and lost the last df. paste again ' df -h ' and let me see what you see .
[02:27] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, You got it :)
[02:27] <tom-macbook> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23575848/
[02:28] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Look'n ( I got so many open tabs on browsers getting to be a pain to keep up :) ))
[02:29] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I know how that feels. My macbook actually locked up earlier because of that!
[02:30] <Wotac> how can i change my fontconfig back to stock, i don't seem to have synaptic
[02:31] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: OK ;; we got " 185M " free .. We can work with that . Sorta torn on a best procedure . but let's see how smart the package manager is . Run ' sudo apt install linux-generic/xenial ' . See what happens .
[02:31] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Alright, let's see what happens!
[02:32] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Says somethings will be downgraded and removed and 156 will be freed. Looks good to me
[02:33] <jnewt> if i try to start transmission, it does not start, i get a "starting transmission" in the bottom bar, and then it just goes away.  how can i track down the issue here?
[02:33] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Smart little sucker that it is ! //.letter rip !
[02:35] <uxfi> hii chalcedony :)
[02:35] <uxfi> chalcedony`;
[02:35] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, It finished with no errors! :D
[02:35] <ObrienDave> \o/
[02:35] <jnewt> have newest version (2.84-3ubuntu3), running on 16.04.1 LTS
[02:36] <ObrienDave> jnewt, install deluge. you'll like it better
[02:37] <jnewt> ObrienDave, maybe, but I want to work through troubleshooting this first as opposed to just giving up.
[02:40] <glitchd> jnewt, theres no reason to troubleshoot transmission...just use deluge
[02:41] <ObrienDave> jnewt, easiet to uninstall transmission and reinstall
[02:41] <glitchd> jnewt, even if u figure out what is wrong with it, its still not that great of a problem. upgrade to deluge.
[02:41] <glitchd> jnewt, *not that great of a program
[02:42] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Give krytarik a big THANK YOU for that last .. He has been most active looking over our shoulders .
[02:42] <krytarik> >_>
[02:42] <glitchd> stop squinting.
[02:42] <tom-macbook> krytarik, well well, it'd seem there is a soul watching out for me XD
[02:42] <ObrienDave> soul??? ;P
[02:42] <tom-macbook> krytarik, Thanks a bunch mate. I really owe you and Bashing-om a big one
[02:43] <krytarik> tom-macbook: Well, it's quite a bit of fun for us too. :P
[02:43] <tom-macbook> krytarik, I can definitely appreciate that. Maybe I'll make it up and stick around in my free time, to see if I can help with anything I know!
[02:44] <krytarik> That'd be great, yep!
[02:44] <tom-macbook> krytarik, I've definitely got a load of free time, too!
[02:45] <tom-macbook> This kind of reminds me of that Aardvark thing Google had for a while. I used to be on that thing for a long time.
[02:45] <jnewt> fixed
[02:45] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: OK. Now let's take a new look and see where we stand . show anew ' ls -al /usr/src/ ; ls -al /lib/modules ; ls -al /boot ; dpkg -l | grep linux- ' . we getting ready for the finaleeeee (??) .
[02:47] <tom-macbook> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23575918/ ; ; ; http://paste.ubuntu.com/23575921/
[02:47] <Sean_McG> I haven't had any issues with Tranmission, been using it for years
[02:48] <tom-macbook> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23575925/ ; ; ; http://paste.ubuntu.com/23575927/
[02:48] <jnewt> mine works now.  for some reason, i have to run iptables --flush everytime I boot this VM for anything internet related (down to ping) to work.  not sure why
[02:48] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, ^^^
[02:48] <Fare> I'm trying to make my ubuntu partition bootable. How do I configure the initramfs to know about cryptsetup, etc.
[02:51] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Not as clean as I had hoped .. lemme do some more look'n .
[02:51] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Alrighty!
[02:51] <kastius> moin wobel
[02:51] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I'm actually looking at throwing lubuntu onto an old macbook air 1,1 in the meantime.
[02:51] <ObrienDave> jnewt, such details would have been helpful to know at the beginning
[02:52] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[02:52] <kastius> gibt es hier auch deutsche?
[02:52] <mojtaba> Hello, I have an extra 16 GB SSD drvie on my computer. Is it possible to install fresh ubuntu on it and point the home directory to my current home directory? (I mean can I share my home directory between different OSes?)
[02:52] <Sean_McG> mojtaba: don't see why not
[02:53] <Sean_McG> 16 GB seems small for an SSD though
[02:53] <tom-macbook> mojtaba, Keep in mind that this doesn't include your personal files and programs
[02:53] <mojtaba> tom-macbook: What do you mean by personal files?
[02:53] <mojtaba> Sean_McG: It was on it.
[02:54] <tom-macbook> mojtaba, Documents, Pictures, Music etc that you keep with that OS
[02:54] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: I know nothing about Mac(s) .., Animosity from the old Amiga days - and thus far I have managed to avoid Macs .
[02:54] <Sean_McG> Amiga was such an amazing machine for it's time
[02:54] <mojtaba> tom-macbook: I thought those are on my home directory
[02:54] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I can hardly blame you. I am not pleased with apple as of late.
[02:56] <tom-macbook> mojtaba, Yes, they are.
[02:56] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: A gentle poke again ' sudo dpkg -P linux-image-3.16.0-72-generic ' . Does what ?
[02:57] <mojtaba> tom-macbook: So why I don't have access to them? I am going to point to the same home directory
[02:57] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, It completed without error
[02:58] <tom-macbook> mojtaba, Ah, if there is a way to do that, then yes. Sorry, I may have misunderstood the original question.
[02:58] <mojtaba> tom-macbook: that's fine.
[02:58] <jnewt> ObrienDave, sure, I forgot about that issue.  as soon as I remembered it, the question changes to why do i always have to flush iptables?
[02:59] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: thin'nnnnn .
[03:00] <jnewt> or maybe Why does transmission not start (as opposed to just not download) when there is something up with iptables?
[03:01] <mojtaba> The last question, should I create every partition on the SSD, except the home directory?
[03:01] <mojtaba> How should I point to the home directory that I currently have?
[03:02] <mojtaba> How much should be the size of each one? (considering the capacity of the SSD is 16GB)
[03:02] <Somethingss> Mounting
[03:02] <Sean_McG> you can just add the old drive to /etc/fstab and mount it directly to /home
[03:02] <Sean_McG> (unless you feel comfortable configuring automount)
[03:03] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Next is my own slow way ' sudo dpkg -P linux-image-3.16.0-73-generic ' . Seems we are doing good here .
[03:03] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I agree
[03:03] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, That went through quite well.
[03:03] <tom-macbook> All done.
[03:03] <Sean_McG> oh wait no, if that drive has a whole OS, you might need to mount it elsewhere and potentially symlink /home/<your_user>
[03:04] <mojtaba> Sean_McG: Yes that drive has the whole OS.
[03:04] <mojtaba> Sean_McG: is there anyway of making this automatic?
[03:05] <mojtaba> Or I have to mount it each time?
[03:05] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Great .. next ' sudo dpkg -P linux-image-4.4.0-52-generic ' . Cause -52 is not yet prime time in the repo !
[03:05] <Somethingss> Sean_McG: Wouldn't symlinking to /home be enough?
[03:05] <Sean_McG> yes, you can tell mounts in /etc/fstab to be automatic
[03:05] <mojtaba> Thanks
[03:05] <Sean_McG> Somethingss: yes
[03:05] <Somethingss> mojtaba: You could create a folder /myolddrive, automount it and a symlink should pick it up
[03:06] <mojtaba> Somethingss: thanks
[03:06] <mojtaba> Sean_McG: thanks
[03:06] <ObrienDave> jnewt, i don't know, but since you're using a VM ask in their group
[03:06] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Oop, it complained about that one. Dependency problems on 52-generic
[03:07] <tom-macbook> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23575986/
[03:07] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, ^^
[03:10] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Yep, got my horse before the cart - thought that was gone .. ok try as ' sudo dpkg -P linux-image-extra-4.4.0-52-generic ' first .
[03:11] <Sean_McG> mojtaba: actually it would be more correct to say that entries in /etc/fstab are automatic by default, and have to be set as 'noauto' when you don't want them to mount automatically
[03:12] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, That one finished well. Should I run the command you sent before again?
[03:13] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Yep .. should complete now .
[03:14] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, THERE WE GO.
[03:14] <tom-macbook> FINALLY
[03:18] <MassVI> Anyone use retroarch on here?
[03:20] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: A bot more to come ..but s l o w l y getting there . ' sudo dpkg -P linux-image-extra-3.16.0-73-generic ' .
[03:20] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Alright, let's do it
[03:21] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, That's done
[03:22] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Actually, there is some interesting stuff here. One sec.
[03:23] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Go for a quick smoke while I wait .
[03:23] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23576035/
[03:23] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Oh, yes, by all means, do.
[03:24] <rthornton> no smoking allowed
[03:25] <chacewhatwhat> Hey everyone.
[03:25] <tom-macbook> It'd seem some symbolic links are dead. Glad that was dealt with.
[03:27] <chacewhatwhat> I was trying to install LXDE but i think i accidentally installed lubuntu, now ubuntu boots showing the lubuntu logo but stays in the unity DE. (super) no longer opens the menu thing, and windows have weird button layouts. Any advice?
[03:30] <wedgie> chacewhatwhat: does the login screen (where you enter your password) have a selector to choose which DE to use?
[03:31] <wedgie> when i installed MATE that is what i had to do.
[03:31] <chacewhatwhat> Yes, and the other option besides ubuntu default is plasma
[03:31] <chacewhatwhat> when i log into plasma, its just a black screen, i have to ctrl-alt-del to log out
[03:32] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: "The link /initrd.img is a damaged link " here is of some concern .. Last night that symlink was not established ! Package manager now says it is .. something changed ,, and I should have checked that the symlinks did not point to anything we were to UN-install .. too late now !
[03:33] <chacewhatwhat> oh, and dpkg keeps returning error 1, i need to do a fresh install
[03:34] <nedbat> I had both 4.4.0-31 and 4.4.0-51 kernels installed.  I tried to uninstall -31, and had a few error messages I didn't understand: https://gist.github.com/nedbat/b392e699d44923dee1e55d1238fc6f51  Did I do something wrong?
[03:34] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Perhaps, but there is a chance that it will fix itself, like it did with .52?
[03:35] <Sean_McG> nedbat: not 100% certain, but I think they can be safely ignored, especially the one concerning the kernel headers for -31 not being found
[03:35] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Well .. perhpas before you reboot - inaugerate what Jordan_U advised and get grub-2 installed , that will fix the symlinks . // look'n now to see where we are kernel wise .
[03:36] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Yes, I was going to, just not sure when I should. I wrote down what he said so I should have it all together when I need it.
[03:37] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Looks like it will not be long . still look'n at the next step ..
[03:37] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Awesome!
[03:39] <nedbat> Sean_McG: yeah, things seem ok, but that's a lot of friction.
[03:40] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Lost track of where we are . show me anew ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' ; please .
[03:40] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23576074/
[03:43] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Are we looking good or what ! .. ok ' sudo dpkg -P linux-headers-4.4.0-52-generic ; sudo dpkg -P linux-headers-4.4.0-52 ' .
[03:44] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Yeah! Those went through like a charm.
[03:45] <Sean_McG> daaaaaaamn
[03:46] <tom-macbook> What just happened?!?
[03:46] <Sean_McG> go go gadget freenode
[03:46] <puffinz> ouch, my groin\
[03:46] <puffinz> looks like matrix.org and riot dropped
[03:46] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Now we should be all set for clean up .. but let is look before we leap . show a new ' ls -al /usr/src/ ; ls -al /lib/modules ; ls -al /boot/ ; dpkg -l | grep linux- ' .
[03:46] <tom-macbook> Automated kick the AFK-ers?
[03:47] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Can do!
[03:47] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23576087/
[03:47] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Looks like a bad link between the servers for our IRC .
[03:48] <Freman> anything to do with the erotic novel messages?
[03:48] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23576090/
[03:48] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23576093/
[03:49] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23576095/
[03:49] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, How's it looking?
[03:51] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Good, but not clean enough ... while on my mind .. the nVidia367 driver - how did you install it ? - meantime I am considering what to do with the stragglers in /lib/modules .. and the old initrd.img files .
[03:54] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I installed it through the additional drivers panel. My main desktop runs happily with a GTX 750.
[03:58] <tom-macbook> Marco
[03:59] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: On the Nvidia driver .. good . system will take care of it . And we get just a bit dirty . Run ' sudo rm -rf /lib/modules/4.4.0-{34,38,42,43}* ' .
[04:00] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, This'll be fun then!
[04:00] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: The next maybe even funner :)
[04:02] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Alright, that's in.
[04:03] <plasmoduck> does the biometric finger scanner on laptops work out of the box with ubuntu in most cases or do I need to install some software?
[04:05] <tom-macbook> plasmoduck, There is every chance it'd be in the additional drivers section.
[04:06] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Iffy here as to if we get the desired result, but run ' sudo rm /boot/*-4.4.0-{30,34,38,42,43}-generic ' . And one to go !
[04:07] <danst> hey guys, what do you think of running ubuntu touch on x86 tablet?
[04:07] <danst> I see there are preinstalled system images for that http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[04:07] <danst> but there should be something done with bootloader probably
[04:08] <danst> will extracting those onto ext4 partition and doing grub-install for this disk do the trick?
[04:09] <tom-macbook> danst, Give them a few, someonw who knows will answer.
[04:09] <Fare> Uh, how do I convince initramfs to include cryptsetup?
[04:09] <johnzorn> how can I check if my last set of updates went well? Is there a command that will show if the system is in a consistent state?
[04:11] <Bashing-om> johnzorn: Check ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' a return of all 0's .. you are good to go .
[04:15] <johnzorn> They return 0's. My problem is when I do dpkg --list there are alot of rc and un packages. I upgraded my kernel and rebooted twice and when I try to install virtualbox it still thinks I'm on the old kernel. uname -a shows the new kernel.
[04:16] <danst> what's the error message you get from virtualbox
[04:16] <danst> maybe it wants your kernel sources
[04:16] <danst> to install some modules
[04:17] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, what are these little commands doing?
[04:18] <ObrienDave> update is for current repo info
[04:18] <ObrienDave> upgrade is for installed packages
[04:19] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Well .. looking at kernels that no longer exist and I hope then removing the initrd.img files that do exist that should not be in existence  - that is my hope here .
[04:19] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I see. That is good. Let me run the command that checks space.
[04:20] <johnzorn> danst, when I check the logs it is building against the old kernel 3.16 I'm on 4.8 now I removed everything from 3.16 so I don't know where it's getting this from
[04:20] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23576234/
[04:21] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: :) .. knock'n em out John .. we got " 278M " of free space now .. and I hope soon to wrap this up .
[04:22] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I have a feeling it won't be long.
[04:23] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Afterwords,could you explain to me how to prevent this from happening again?
[04:24] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Already have . house cleaning , say monthly ? ( I run real tight and I clean on 2nd new kernel install)
[04:27] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, i see
[04:29] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I need to clean up my MacBook then.
[04:31] <chump> .
[04:32] <tom-macbook> Marco
[04:32] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: The one with the 15.10 install .. do not bother as it is no longer supported !
[04:32] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I can upgrade it (If that is a wise thing to do)
[04:33] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I just want to clean up a bit before I do. It's offered to give me the update.
[04:33] <kang0> Hi
[04:33] <kang0> (477) #ubuntu-offtopic :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[04:33] <kang0> Isn't it strange?
[04:33] <HelloWorld[m]1> Was geht up?tom-macbook
[04:34] <tom-macbook> HelloWorld[m]1, Hallo
[04:34] <kang0> Off topic is more restricted than Main channel?
[04:34] <kang0> Who has 2 hours time to spare?
[04:34] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Yeah ,, in that case of an on-line release upgrade . will be a great thing to do .
[04:34] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I'll do it overnight then.
[04:38] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: House cleaning : ' sudo apt-get autoclean # only removes files that cannot be downloaded anymore (obsolete) ; sudo apt-get autoremove ; sudo apt-get clean ' . In addition no proprietary drivers installled and screen saver tirned off .. and best if all PPAs reverted to default repo packaging ( update manager "should" take care of that .. but ... ) .
[04:39] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: On our kernel issue . we ready to look at the last one ?
[04:39] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, And if I have run those on my macbook at the kernals and headers are still there....? Then what?
[04:39] <vuong> onionchubx5365.onion/6679
[04:39] <lenswipee> what main path are you suppose to install programs to so that all users can access it/use it?
[04:40] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Yep! Let's get this finished so I can upgrade it
[04:40] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Well .. if the system is in a consistent state and the package manager is happy hapy happy .. there will be no issue . after 'autoremove there should only be 2 kernels in the install left .
[04:40] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Apparently all of my linux systems have a dist-upgrade
[04:41] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Alright! Hopefully that is how it will happen.
[04:42] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: "dist-upgrade" upgrades installed packages .. has nothing direct to do with a release upgrade to the next version release . Different command to effect the release-upgrade .
[04:42] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Ah.
[04:42] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I'm still a bit fuzzy on them all.
[04:43] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: It is amazing to me what I do not understand  - one of the reasons I do what we do here - . learning linux is a life time process .
[04:44] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Yes, I can tell. And it is definitely path to success
[04:45] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, It'll get you far in the long run.
[04:46] <uxfi> hi tom-macbook
[04:46] <tom-macbook> uxfi, Hello
[04:47] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook:  If that last completed with no issues , now run ' sudo rm /boot/*-3.16.0-71-generic ' . And we take a final look at ALL .
[04:47] <InstallingUbuntu> Hello
[04:48] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: NO!!!!!!!
[04:48] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Sounds g
[04:48] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Oh?
[04:48] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I haven't put it in yet
[04:48] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: 71 is opur booting kernel .. I gor my wires crossed .
[04:48] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, No worries. It's all looking the same to me too XD
[04:49] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: run ' sudo rm /boot/*-3.16.0-77-generic ' . It is the -77 .img we want gone gone .
[04:50] <muscleking> muscle worship come worship me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnXiNrpNHRA
[04:50] <ObrienDave> *sigh*
[04:50] <muscleking> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zEmU_mcc6I Muscle worship-master is back
[04:50] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, He's gone.
[04:50] <uxfi> muscleking;  work out?
[04:50] <uxfi> haha
[04:51] <lenswipee> hi, i have a stand alone program that i have to manually install. google tells me to drop it in /user/bin so that all users can access it. any thoughts?
[04:51] <InstallingUbuntu> Can anyone give me a hand installing Ubuntu 16.10 on an old machine?
[04:52] <tom-macbook> InstallingUbuntu, I probably can to an extent
[04:52] <tom-macbook> InstallingUbuntu, What machine?
[04:52] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: OK .. final check we hope . ' ls -al /usr/src/ ; ls -al /lib/modules/ ; ls -al /boot/ dpkg -l } grep linux ' . If now all agree we have the "system heal thy self " .
[04:52] <muscleking> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-HOputmGEU Muscle worship youbg bodybuilding god
[04:53] <InstallingUbuntu> An old custom built Win7 garbage tower
[04:53] <InstallingUbuntu> I got it a few years back
[04:53] <muscleking> just collecting more pay fags
[04:53] <tom-macbook> InstallingUbuntu, Do you want it with or without Windows?
[04:53] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23576318/
[04:54] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23576319/
[04:54] <Flaz> Hello to all
[04:54] <InstallingUbuntu> I'm getting rid of Windows, and I know the install process to an extent, but when I try to boot from a USB I get stuck on the splash screen
[04:54] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23576322/
[04:54] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Those were a bit out of order, sorry
[04:55] <InstallingUbuntu> I can get to the selection screen for install or try but after I select one A: it gets stuck at the splash screen or B: it goes to black screen
[04:56] <tom-macbook> InstallingUbuntu, That could be a variety of reasons.
[04:56] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: good si far perfect .. and /boot/ ?
[04:56] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23576325/
[04:57] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | InstallingUbuntu Have you tried ?
[04:57] <InstallingUbuntu> Tried it, it gave me a corrupted looking screen
[04:57] <InstallingUbuntu> Like Tv static but colored and slanted
[04:57] <tom-macbook> InstallingUbuntu, Kind of red lines?
[04:58] <InstallingUbuntu> somewhat
[04:58] <Flaz> I've a big problem with package, i have tryed all, "make clean" and all commands to fix, but i've yed many damaged packets
[04:58] <Flaz> so I can not install or fix almost anything
[04:58] <tom-macbook> InstallingUbuntu, Do they morph around and glitch with the cursor?
[04:58] <InstallingUbuntu> no, it just freezes up at that point
[04:58] <tom-macbook> InstallingUbuntu, Do you have a graphics card?
[04:59] <InstallingUbuntu> not sure
[04:59] <InstallingUbuntu> let me check
[04:59] <tom-macbook> InstallingUbuntu, Like Nvidia or similar
[04:59] <InstallingUbuntu> probably not
[04:59] <InstallingUbuntu> It's basically scrap
[04:59] <tom-macbook> InstallingUbuntu, I see...
[05:00] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Now with a bit of unknown how grub will re-act ; run ' sudo apt-get -f install ; sudo dpkg --configure -a ' .
[05:00] <tom-macbook> InstallingUbuntu, Is it the correct architecture?
[05:00] <InstallingUbuntu> yep, 32 bit
[05:00] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Yes sir! Let's get it knocked ot
[05:00] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, colored and slanted is indicative of a syncing issue
[05:01] <InstallingUbuntu> ok?
[05:01] <InstallingUbuntu> What should I do?
[05:01] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, apt-getf install returned with all 0's except for 1 not upgraded.
[05:02] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, let's see what dpkg does
[05:02] <ObrienDave> video sync, you might have to see if there's a setting to use your display resolution and/or refresh rate
[05:02] <chovy_> anyone have an asus zenbook?
[05:02] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, dpkg configure did nothing. Or if it did, it returned straight to prompt.
[05:03] <InstallingUbuntu> My monitor is an old Gateway FPD1530
[05:04] <InstallingUbuntu> What should my next step be?
[05:05] <InstallingUbuntu> Should I try a different monitor, or is it my graphics?
[05:05] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: A return to prompt is a great thing ! ..ok .. now for grub . what now is set for booting ? show ' ls -al /vmlinuz* /initrd.img* ' .
[05:05] <tom-macbook> InstallingUbuntu, I do not know about syncing issues, but it wouldn't hurt to try a different monitor.
[05:05] <ObrienDave> it is 1024x768 it should work. see if the screen menu has sync settings
[05:06] <InstallingUbuntu> No sync settings in the menu
[05:06] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23576335/
[05:06] <lenswipee> what's the difference between usr/local and usr/locale?
[05:06] <ObrienDave> or, when installing and you get to that part, the display menu might have an 'auto' setting
[05:06] <InstallingUbuntu> there's an Auto/set button
[05:07] <ObrienDave> try that
[05:07] <tom-macbook> lenswipee, Locale usually has something to do with region
[05:07] <InstallingUbuntu> 1 min
[05:08] <lenswipee> tom-macbook, where do i manually install programs to? /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin?
[05:08] <InstallingUbuntu> Just hit Try w/o installing...
[05:08] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Great again ! .. I can live with that - if the system honots grub2 at this point . your call .. reboot now and see .. or take Jordan_U's advise and do the grub2 install prior to rebooting ??
[05:08] <Ben64> lenswipee: ~/bin
[05:08] <InstallingUbuntu> takes a few seconds to do anything
[05:08] <tom-macbook> lenswipee, I wouldn't know the answer to that one, sorry :/
[05:08] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Honors*
[05:08] <lenswipee> Ben64, what ~ mean
[05:09] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, https://panam.gateway.com/s/Manuals/Desktops/8508866/
[05:09] <Jordan_U> lenswipee: What are you trying to install?
[05:09] <Ben64> lenswipee: your home directory
[05:09] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I'll take Jordan_U's advice and try that out.
[05:09] <lenswipee> Ben64, i want all users to access program
[05:09] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: I feel that is the better course .
[05:09] <lenswipee> Jordan_U, a program that doesn't have a package manager
[05:09] <InstallingUbuntu> Ok I see ubuntu 16.10
[05:09] <Ben64> lenswipee: then install stuff the correct way, using apt
[05:09] <InstallingUbuntu> loading...
[05:09] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I agree
[05:10] <InstallingUbuntu> and that is my monitor ObrienDave
[05:10] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Should I also run the "sudo grub-install --removeable –target=x86_64-efi"?
[05:10] <lenswipee> Ben64, it came as a tar file
[05:10] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, yes, sent you a link for the manual
[05:10] <Ben64> lenswipee: then i suggest you delete it and find a better way of getting the software
[05:11] <lenswipee> Ben64, Unfortunately the company who made it done it this way
[05:11] <InstallingUbuntu> Now its showing the Windows 7 shutting down screen (which was the last thing on the monitor before rebooting) but the image is all staticy
[05:11] <InstallingUbuntu> very strange
[05:11] <lenswipee> Ben64, no better way. it's from company site.
[05:11] <InstallingUbuntu> going to try the auto/set
[05:11] <ObrienDave> k
[05:11] <InstallingUbuntu> aaaaaaaand it did nothing
[05:12] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, ALRIGHT....Configuring grub-pc. I feel i need to be careful here.
[05:12] <ObrienDave> staticy, try checking cable connections
[05:12] <Ben64> lenswipee: then i'd put it in /opt/<software>
[05:12] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Got me .. I was not paying full attention to that detail . as I thought you understood Jordan_U's directive .
[05:12] <InstallingUbuntu> cable connections are fine
[05:12] <InstallingUbuntu> thats the 1st thing I tried
[05:12] <lenswipee> Ben64, opt meaning?
[05:12] <ObrienDave> onboard graphics?
[05:13] <ObrienDave> or video card
[05:13] <InstallingUbuntu> ObrienDave I dont think it has either
[05:13] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, What about grub install devices? Which one do I want?
[05:13] <Ben64> lenswipee: historically option i think
[05:13] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: show me ' sudo fdisk -lu ' so we see what is .
[05:13] <InstallingUbuntu> ObrienDave I can go back to Win7 and check the specs
[05:14] <lenswipee> Ben64, what's wrong with /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin?
[05:14] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, yea, if it a card, check to see if the card came loose
[05:14] <Ben64> lenswipee: those directories are used by the system, could cause conflicts
[05:14] <tom-macbook> paste.ubuntu.com/23576430
[05:14] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, ^^
[05:15] <lenswipee> Ben64, http://askubuntu.com/questions/65728/where-to-install-software-and-executables-for-all-users
[05:16] <lenswipee> Ben64, link says /usr/bin or usr/local/bin
[05:16] <Ben64> lenswipee: then do whatever you want
[05:16] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Your 1st hard drive is the ubuntu install and you want grub installed to 'sda'  / Unless a dire need exist always install to the MBR ( sector 0) . for the boot code .. that is 'sda' .
[05:17] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Got it. Thank you.
[05:17] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, That has completed. now for the EFI version I guess
[05:18] <tom-macbook> And now that is done.
[05:18] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: EFI is not in my bag of tricks ( yet) .
[05:18] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, It completed without error and is at the prompt, so I'll go along with it.
[05:19] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, One more command and I'll reboot.
[05:19] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: ' sudo update-grub ' . says all Okee Dokeee ?
[05:19] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, The specific command being "sudo grub-install --removeable –target=x86_64-efi"
[05:20] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Uh huh ,, and for checking make sure ' sudo update-grub ' has a positive result .
[05:20] <SynfulAck> anyone have experience with burning ESXi with dd?
[05:21] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Alright, wish me luck!
[05:21] <InstallingUbuntu> ObrienDave still here?
[05:21] <tom-macbook> Final stretch....
[05:21] <InstallingUbuntu> I have msinfo32 up
[05:21] <ObrienDave> ok, what video?
[05:21] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: No luck to it .. good system administration pays back triple .
[05:22] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Jordan_U grub-install: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for –target=x86_64-efi.  Check your device.map.
[05:22] <InstallingUbuntu> Nothing under summary
[05:22] <InstallingUbuntu> There's no video or graphics card
[05:23] <ObrienDave> there MUST be. computer model number?
[05:23] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Here I must bow to Jordan_U .. "I no nothing " about EFI booting .
[05:23] <InstallingUbuntu> P4i65GV
[05:24] <InstallingUbuntu> under System Model
[05:24] <InstallingUbuntu> again, its custom
[05:24] <Sean_McG> hmmm, sleeptime
[05:24] <InstallingUbuntu> I bought it ~4 years ago
[05:24] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Maybe I will just run simple grub-install and do that other one later.
[05:25] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: I no nothing ! .. but we need some-one here to make sure boot code is installed !
[05:25] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, https://www.cnet.com/products/asrock-p4i65gv-motherboard-micro-atx-socket-478-i865gv/specs/
[05:25] <InstallingUbuntu> Intel® Extreme Graphics 2 seems to be built onto it
[05:25] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I'll run only grub-install and try that
[05:25] <InstallingUbuntu> yeah I have that page up
[05:26] <tom-macbook> Bash Install device isn't specified....
[05:26] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Ya got time to delve into a mess with tom-macbook ??
[05:27] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Actually, I understand Jordan_U 's instructions. It is only one grub at a time unless they are on different partitions. So let's stick with grub-pc
[05:27] <Flaz> I've a big problem with packets, i have tryed all, "make clean" and all commands to fix, but i've yed many damaged packets so I can not install or fix almost anything. Ubuntu 14.04
[05:27] <ObrienDave> ok, which ubuntu are you trying to install?
[05:27] <InstallingUbuntu> Desktop 16.10 32bit
[05:29] <tom-macbook> Bugger.
[05:29] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: My concern is being able to boot this system in the event of failure . we are going to assume that sda2 is the boot partition for this EFI install .
[05:30] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, There is no EFI partition in /boot
[05:30] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, /boot/grub I should say
[05:31] <scragglez> Is anyone familar with creating upstart jobs?
[05:31] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, you might have to go to a much older version, and do the upgrade to 16.10 from there
[05:31] <InstallingUbuntu> What version?
[05:32] <ObrienDave> oldest LTS is 12.04
[05:32] <ObrienDave> that's good for 6 more months
[05:32] <InstallingUbuntu> but isn't that a later version?
[05:32] <ObrienDave> no, it's year,month
[05:32] <InstallingUbuntu> oooh
[05:32] <ObrienDave> 12.04 is april 2012
[05:33] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: " 993280   485M 83 Linux " says this is not a EFI install !
[05:33] <InstallingUbuntu> http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/ ?
[05:33] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, So how should we proceed?
[05:34] <InstallingUbuntu> Should I install that on my USB with Rufus?
[05:34] <John[Lisbeth]> rufus is a fine tool
[05:35] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, yes, get the 386 version. can you do torrents?
[05:35] <InstallingUbuntu> I just downloaded it
[05:35] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: With your desure to also be able to boot this drive in a EFI environment .. I can not advise on a means to install grub to make that doable .
[05:35] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, which OS are you using now?
[05:35] <InstallingUbuntu> I'm on a separate computer, Win10
[05:36] <InstallingUbuntu> The junk pc is Win7 Ultamate
[05:36] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Completly understandable. It can always be done later as well. Let's continue on the course we were headed and wrap this up! :)
[05:36] <InstallingUbuntu> The junk one is the one I'm installing on
[05:37] <ObrienDave> ok, not familiar with rufus but any program that can properly install to USB would work. personally, i've had better luck burning DVD
[05:37] <InstallingUbuntu> ok
[05:37] <InstallingUbuntu> Well I'm installing it on the USB
[05:38] <ObrienDave> k, can you do torrents?
[05:38] <InstallingUbuntu> I've gotten used to it, this is like my 8th try
[05:38] <InstallingUbuntu> I just downloaded the iso straight up
[05:38] <InstallingUbuntu> they still host it
[05:38] <InstallingUbuntu> http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/
[05:38] <ObrienDave> yes, it's still a supported version
[05:39] <InstallingUbuntu> 32-bit PC (i386) desktop CD
[05:39] <ObrienDave> LTS is good for 5 years
[05:39] <InstallingUbuntu> ok, going to try to boot to the usb
[05:39] <ObrienDave> k
[05:40] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, How can i have grub run in the way it did before?
[05:40] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Can I purge it and reinstall?
[05:42] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, even number years ending in 04 are Long Term Support versions. 12.04 14.04 16.04 etc
[05:42] <InstallingUbuntu> Got it
[05:42] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: we can install grub2 . but as to how to get it back to "what it was" I just do not have that recall of how grub legacy worked .
[05:42] <InstallingUbuntu> I just hit "Try w/o installing"
[05:42] <ObrienDave> k
[05:42] <InstallingUbuntu> taking a minute to do anything
[05:42] <ObrienDave> oh yes, been there :)
[05:42] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: tom-macbook how can i help?
[05:43] <tom-macbook> Ah, perfect timing
[05:43] <uxfi> EriC^^;  hi sir!
[05:43] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, brb 10 min break :)
[05:43] <EriC^^> hi uxfi
[05:43] <InstallingUbuntu> k
[05:43] <InstallingUbuntu> wish me luck
[05:43] <InstallingUbuntu> SUCCess
[05:44] <InstallingUbuntu> New problem
[05:44] <lenswipee> 14.04 LTS is bad. 16.04 much improved.
[05:44] <ObrienDave> cool, do the install and then you will have to upgrade to 14.04 then 16.04. not sure if you can skip straight to 16.04
[05:45] <InstallingUbuntu> doesnt seem to recognize my wireless card
[05:45] <ObrienDave> ok, what?
[05:45] <InstallingUbuntu> Wireless tab shows no networks
[05:45] <ObrienDave> go hardwire for now
[05:45] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Would you explain to EriC^^ ? You know what you're doing more than I do XD
[05:45] <InstallingUbuntu> yeeeah
[05:45] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: I thought this was a EFI grub thing .. turns out this drive only has a seperate /boot. We are to install grub2 - replacing grub-legacy  .
[05:45] <elky> @help
[05:45] <Drone`> (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands.
[05:45] <xX0x431Xx`> elky: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands.
[05:45] <InstallingUbuntu> the problem with that is
[05:45] <lenswipee> InstallingUbuntu, best to fresh install straight into 16.04
[05:45] <InstallingUbuntu> lenswipee cant
[05:45] <InstallingUbuntu> old computer
[05:46] <InstallingUbuntu> ObrienDave I don't have an ethernet cord long enough
[05:47] <InstallingUbuntu> My router is set up near the celing and its connected to too many things for me to move it
[05:47] <ObrienDave> LOL ok, see if you can use one from another device
[05:47] <InstallingUbuntu> one what?
[05:47] <ObrienDave> cable
[05:48] <InstallingUbuntu> they're all too short to reach the ground
[05:48] <InstallingUbuntu> I do, however, have a wireless dongle
[05:48] <ObrienDave> ok, only thing left is to try the 14.04 version
[05:48] <InstallingUbuntu> which I have no Idea if it works w/ linux
[05:48] <ObrienDave> if the system recognizes it, it would work
[05:49] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: what have you got on sda4 ?
[05:49] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, SDA4, let me check
[05:49] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: tom-macbook what's the problem exactly?
[05:50] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, the 'try it' part has very limited wireless support. you might just have to install and see
[05:50] <lenswipee> InstallingUbuntu, why not?
[05:50] <InstallingUbuntu> I have a Belkin F9L1101v2 and the system doesn't seem to recognize it
[05:50] <ObrienDave> ok, i need that break. 5 min
[05:51] <InstallingUbuntu> oh wait
[05:51] <InstallingUbuntu> now I see it
[05:51] <InstallingUbuntu> yeet
[05:51] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, SDA4 is kind of a little bridge partition. It is so I can move things back ad forth on systems that don't talk to eachother. A flashdrive esque sort of thing.
[05:51] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Me personallky to tell the truth here 0 I do not know the specific problem . tom-macbook had explained it to Jordan_U , and Jordan_U gave the solution . I was not paying full attention to that .
[05:51] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Bashing-om would be able to explain my situation a bit better, I do not know the lingo, but I can try.
[05:52] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, EriC^^ I can send the things Jordan_U posted. I wrote them donw
[05:52] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: try to explain the problem
[05:52] <EriC^^> what are you trying to do?
[05:54] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, EriC^^ http://paste.ubuntu.com/23576526/
[05:54] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, In the long run, I've had this linux OS on a laptop harddrive for me to take around with me and use on various systems for personal or other purposes. Also for tinkering.
[05:55] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, I have alot of towers and laptops and one harddrive, so I switch around alot.
[05:55] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, cool
[05:55] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: ok
[05:55] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: so it's not to be used with a mac right?
[05:55] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: fdisk -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23576526/ for tom-macbook .
[05:55] <InstallingUbuntu> Looks like it sees my router
[05:55] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, No.
[05:56] <ObrienDave> excellent
[05:56] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, If it could be, that would be cool, but that is not my priority.
[05:56] <InstallingUbuntu> Yep, it has internet
[05:56] <ObrienDave> ok! go for the install
[05:56] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: ok, type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[05:56] <InstallingUbuntu> After the install, do you recommend I upgrade or stay w/ this version?
[05:57] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Can do.
[05:57] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, when it's done, do ALL of the updates first and then we'll get you to 16.04 at least
[05:57] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, http://termbin.com/lxxl
[05:57] <InstallingUbuntu> Should I check download updates while installing?
[05:57] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, EriC^^ I'm afraid to reboot to fix Bashing-om 's and I's little adventure if grub won't work
[05:58] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, you can
[05:58] <InstallingUbuntu> and 3rd party software?
[05:58] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: you don't have a live usb at hand?
[05:58] <ObrienDave> yes, that's for mpeg and MP4 stuff
[05:58] <InstallingUbuntu> alright
[05:58] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Yes
[05:59] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, it will take 20 minutes or so
[05:59] <InstallingUbuntu> Replace Windows 7 with Ubuntu
[05:59] <InstallingUbuntu> I already copied what I want to save so...
[05:59] <InstallingUbuntu> get er done I guess
[06:00] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: tom-macbook I need that grub is able to boot the 4.4.0-51 kernel . as is from the grub-legacy was booting 3.16 kernel  .
[06:00] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: ok, you need a fat32 partition for efi to work
[06:00] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, if you want to keep W7 you must go the dual boot route
[06:00] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: you could delete the swap partition and make it 300mb less or so and create a fat32 with that
[06:00] <InstallingUbuntu> Nah, I have enough Windows computers. I want a 100% dedicated linux box
[06:00] <InstallingUbuntu> Installing
[06:01] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: the drive is "Disklabel type: dos" . Is that not a problem in that we want GPT ?
[06:01] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Alright. I'll do that now, but is it safe to turn the system off without fixing grub? Also, the computer that the system is on right now is Bios.
[06:01] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: or you could use the /boot partition, and make /boot a part of "/"
[06:01] <ObrienDave> k, i'll be here and EriC^^ is very good at what we're trying to do :)
[06:01] <EriC^^> so you still have an adequately sized swap for hibernation stuff
[06:01] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Whatever you think would be best.
[06:02] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: i think turning the /boot would be better
[06:02] <lenswipee> how to remove admin locks in file say in /usr/foo.txt?
[06:02] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Alright, So i'll power down the computer and boot into my linux recovery environment?
[06:02] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: no, it'll still work with msdos
[06:03] <Ben64> lenswipee: you're going to need to be more specific
[06:03] <InstallingUbuntu> Almost finished copying files looks to be about 80% :)
[06:03] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: K. I sit back and watch a master at work :)
[06:03] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: no you can do it from the actual session
[06:03] <InstallingUbuntu> ObrienDave Also, I want to thank you for your help
[06:03] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I owe you alot. Is there anything I can do to return the favor?
[06:03] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, you till have to do the update part, that's next iirc
[06:04] <InstallingUbuntu> yep
[06:04] <lenswipee> Ben64, i have a file that has a lock icon on it that i want removed for another user to access
[06:04] <ObrienDave> *still
[06:04] <Ben64> lenswipee: what file
[06:04] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Please enlighten me, I ddon't want to miss anything
[06:04] <ZeekHuge> Hi ! I have 14.04 on my laptop(thinkpad T430) and using it with Dell screen through VGA port . I usually keep a lot of applications opened in al the 4 workspaces . But sometimes, when I resume the computer, the lightdm crashes, that is the login window appears for a second, and then everything starts back like I its a new login. And when i log in, the system shows an internal error related to ubuntu-geoip-provider.
[06:04] <ZeekHuge> can you please help
[06:04] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: ok, type sudo cp -a /boot /boot.backup
[06:04] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, no problem, we've all been there :)
[06:04] <ZeekHuge> I don want it to crash
[06:04] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Done
[06:04] <ZeekHuge> though its not very frequent ... but still 3 out of 10 times
[06:05] <lenswipee> Ben64, foo.txt in /usr/foo.txt
[06:05] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: sudo umount /boot
[06:05] <InstallingUbuntu> I'll be back in a few mins
[06:05] <ObrienDave> np
[06:05] <Ben64> lenswipee: what's the output of "ls -ld /usr/foo.txt"
[06:05] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, I'm doing all of this from SSH btw
[06:05] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: np
[06:06] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, I still have access to the gui and terminal on the actual computer.
[06:06] <EriC^^> ok, cool
[06:06] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Done
[06:06] <ZeekHuge> also ... I have observed that the system is not 'super stable' with an external display. Is that because of different resolutions of the two screens ?
[06:06] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: sudo mkfs.fat /dev/sda2
[06:07] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Alright, that finished
[06:07] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: sudo blkid /dev/sda2
[06:08] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: get the uuid and type sudo nano /etc/fstab
[06:08] <InstallingUbuntu> back
[06:08] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: comment out the line that has /boot in it, and make a new line that says UUID=04B0-166A /boot/efi       vfat    umask=0077      0       1
[06:09] <EriC^^> replace your uuid from blkid ^
[06:09] <InstallingUbuntu> looks like its Configuing things
[06:09] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Nano reports "/etc/fstab is being edited by root with VIM 704 PID 646
[06:09] <tom-macbook> "
[06:09] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: np
[06:10] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, good, just let it cook until it reboots
[06:10] <ObrienDave> *reboots into the desktop
[06:10] <ZeekHuge> anyone ?
[06:10] <InstallingUbuntu> ObrienDave I also have a couple of questions
[06:10] <ObrienDave> shoot
[06:11] <InstallingUbuntu> Can I make this be both a Linux desktop and a home media server?
[06:11] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Alright, that is in. Just to clarify, the line with boot goes UUID=balh blah /boot ext 4 etc?
[06:11] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, I comment that one out and replace with the one you sent?
[06:12] <InstallingUbuntu> And can I make it so I can remotely access the desktop
[06:12] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: " I owe you alot. Is there anything I can do to return the favor?" as you said - just hang in here and help others .
[06:12] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, not 100% sure what package would do that but I don't see why not.
[06:12] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, You got it my friend.
[06:12] <ObrienDave> for both
[06:12] <InstallingUbuntu> It's probably as simple as following a few tutorials
[06:12] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: yeah, replacing your uuid with mine
[06:13] <PickledEggs> InstallingUbuntu: remotely access your Ubuntu desktop?
[06:13] <tom-macbook> ALright, got it
[06:13] <InstallingUbuntu> Yeah
[06:13] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: the one you got from sudo blkid /dev/sda2
[06:13] <PickledEggs> InstallingUbuntu: you'll want a VNC server/client
[06:13] <PickledEggs> there are tons out there
[06:13] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: i mean replacing my uuid with yours :)
[06:13] <InstallingUbuntu> PickledEggs Can it go Windows>Ubuntu?
[06:13] <PickledEggs> sure
[06:13] <PickledEggs> I like TigerVNC as a Windows client but there are others
[06:13] <InstallingUbuntu> good
[06:14] <PickledEggs> If you'll be accessing it from outside your home network you'll want to find a guide on securing it
[06:14] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Save and quit?
[06:14] <PickledEggs> I usually SSH into my Ubuntu box and then VNC to localhost
[06:14] <InstallingUbuntu> Nah, just in-home
[06:14] <ObrienDave> remote access basically involves emulating mouse and keyboard and copying your display output
[06:14] <ZeekHuge> InstallingUbuntu: also, if you can just work on terminal, tmate can be usefull.
[06:14] <InstallingUbuntu> Still a linux newbie, so terminal scares me
[06:15] <ObrienDave> it will until you get used to it
[06:15] <InstallingUbuntu> I know ;P
[06:15] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: yes
[06:15] <InstallingUbuntu> but for convenience I just want to be able to vnc from my main pc
[06:16] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Alright, that is all done. What next?
[06:16] <InstallingUbuntu> Installation complete! Restarting
[06:17] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, as you can see, there a LOT of helpful and knowledgeable people here :)
[06:17] <InstallingUbuntu> ooooh yes
[06:17] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: type sudo rm -r /boot/*
[06:17] <InstallingUbuntu> I might actually install an Irc client on this box
[06:18] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, the best part is if someone steers you wrong, someone else will catch it and correct it very quickly
[06:18] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, "No such file or directory"
[06:18] <PickledEggs> I use Smuxi for Ubuntu GUI IRC and Irssi for terminal IRC
[06:18] <InstallingUbuntu> :)
[06:18] <InstallingUbuntu> umm I seem to be stuck at a splash screen
[06:18] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: try ls -l /boot anything there?
[06:19] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, just wait, 1st install is slow
[06:19] <InstallingUbuntu> I hope
[06:19] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Nope, empty
[06:19] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: ok, type sudo mount -a
[06:19] <InstallingUbuntu> the white dots aren't blinking anymore
[06:19] <EriC^^> InstallingUbuntu: try pressing esc
[06:19] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, "mount point /boot/efi does not exist"
[06:19] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, i prefer to install updates until the desktop shows
[06:19] <InstallingUbuntu> nothing happens
[06:20] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: oh, right
[06:20] <ObrienDave> updates AFTER desktop shows
[06:20] <ObrienDave> give a few minutes
[06:20] <InstallingUbuntu> Still stuck...
[06:20] <InstallingUbuntu> ok
[06:20] <ObrienDave> *it
[06:20] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: ok, type sudo cp -a /boot.backup /boot
[06:21] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: then sudo mkdir /boot/efi and try sudo mount -a again
[06:21] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: 1 sec
[06:21] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, They all went through fine!
[06:22] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: ok np, i think the cp command wasn't right, it's ok though
[06:22] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: try sudo rm -r /boot/boot.backup
[06:22] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Alrighty!
[06:22] <EriC^^> then sudo rsync -av /boot.backup/ /boot
[06:22] <EriC^^> (the trailing "/" in /boot.backup/ is important)
[06:23] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, It all went through fine! :D
[06:23] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: ok :D
[06:23] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, still stuck?
[06:23] <InstallingUbuntu> yep
[06:23] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: dpkg -l | grep grub | nc termbin.com 9999
[06:23] <ObrienDave> grrrr
[06:23] <InstallingUbuntu> Restart?
[06:24] <ObrienDave> any network activity you can see?
[06:24] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, http://termbin.com/cyqs
[06:24] <InstallingUbuntu> The box is frozen, I cant see a thing
[06:24] <InstallingUbuntu> I could scan my network w/ my phone though
[06:25] <ZeekHuge> ctrl+alt+F2 ?
[06:25] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: ok, first try "grub-install --recheck /dev/sda"
[06:25] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Copy that!
[06:25] <ZeekHuge> InstallingUbuntu: ^
[06:25] <InstallingUbuntu> It's disconnected from the network
[06:25] <InstallingUbuntu> should I do Ctrl+alt+f2?
[06:26] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, I forgot sudo XD
[06:26] <ZeekHuge> yep
[06:26] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, not sure what that does
[06:26] <ZeekHuge> that would open the terminal.
[06:26] <InstallingUbuntu> Nothing
[06:26] <InstallingUbuntu> It does nothing
[06:27] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Finished, no error reported
[06:27] <tempest1> hello
[06:27] <InstallingUbuntu> Should I power off, power on?
[06:27] <ObrienDave> k. let's go ahead and power down. hold power key for 5 to 10 seconds if needed and reboot. you should get the GRUB screen
[06:28] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: ok, try grub-install --target x86_64-efi --removable
[06:28] <ObrienDave> not sure on a pure Linux system
[06:28] <ZeekHuge> InstallingUbuntu: was it stuck on the Ubuntu screen or was it just a full black screen ?
[06:28] <InstallingUbuntu> ubuntu
[06:29] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, finished without error! :D
[06:29] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: cool, update-grub
[06:29] <InstallingUbuntu> rebooted, got some kind of message
[06:29] <InstallingUbuntu> No Caching mode page found
[06:29] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Bashing-om And it is done!
[06:30] <InstallingUbuntu> Assuming drive cache; write through
[06:30] <InstallingUbuntu> It lists that 3 times
[06:30] <InstallingUbuntu> and nothing else is happening
[06:30] <Bashing-om> Wjen EriC^^ says all done .. then verify what is set to boot ' ls -al /vmlinuz* /initrd.img* ' .
[06:30] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: ok, if you ever put the hdd on a uefi pc, the efi files are in efi/boot/bootx64.efi right now (it's the default hardcoded path for uefi files, usually ubuntu installs in efi/ubuntu/grubx64.efi)
[06:30] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, ok, i think we have a bad install
[06:31] <InstallingUbuntu> welp
[06:31] <InstallingUbuntu> dang
[06:31] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: if the pc doesn't boot the hdd, then you can sometimes press a button when it first boots and choose the efi partition or browse for the efi file yourself
[06:31] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Understood! Thank you so much! I've been stuck on that issue for months on end.
[06:31] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, I see, got it. :D
[06:31] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: one more thing, i think adding an efi file for the default windows path would be helpful in case it also looks for that
[06:31] <InstallingUbuntu> it did give me a short thing at the beginning, F2 to go to bios
[06:31] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, How would I do that?
[06:31] <EriC^^> sudo mkdir -p /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft/Boot
[06:31] <InstallingUbuntu> so did it not overwrite everything?
[06:32] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: When  EriC^^ says all done .. then verify what is set to boot ' ls -al /vmlinuz* /initrd.img* ' .
[06:32] <EriC^^> then sudo cp -a /boot/efi/EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi
[06:32] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23576629/
[06:32] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, yes, it cleared out the drive 1st thing
[06:32] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Do I include "then"?
[06:32] <InstallingUbuntu> Ah, I think I got sometihng
[06:32] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: nope
[06:32] <InstallingUbuntu> I set the boot order to floppy drive first
[06:33] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Got it, let see what happens
[06:33] <InstallingUbuntu> Just restarted and went to boot select
[06:33] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: I do not feel good about that ! EriC^^ see ??
[06:33] <InstallingUbuntu> selected my HD
[06:33] <InstallingUbuntu> Now I think i have grub
[06:33] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, ok, waiting
[06:33] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: what do you mean?
[06:33] <EriC^^> about what?
[06:33] <InstallingUbuntu> I selected Ubuntu and now I'm waiting for something to happen
[06:34] <ObrienDave> ok, let it cook
[06:34] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: set to boot " /vmlinuz.old -> boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-51-generic " as old ???
[06:34] <InstallingUbuntu> nothing yet...
[06:35] <EriC^^> !info linux-generic xenial
[06:35] <ObrienDave> 1st boot is slow. give it time
[06:35] <InstallingUbuntu> got it
[06:36] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: maybe it's the only kernel he has or something?
[06:36] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: what does ls -l /vmlinuz show?
[06:36] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, EriC^^ I can check
[06:37] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: tom-macbook O had hoped for something similar "  /vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-103-generic " but the 4.4.0=51 kernel of-course .
[06:37] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Cannot acces vmlinuz: no such file or directory
[06:37] <InstallingUbuntu> Still nothing
[06:37] <ObrienDave> grrrr
[06:37] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: which ubuntu version is this?
[06:37] <tom-macbook> Should be 16.10?
[06:38] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: naw .. we also left the -49 and the booting 3.16.0-71 kernel .
[06:38] <EriC^^> ok
[06:38] <tom-macbook> 16.04****
[06:38] <tom-macbook> LTS
[06:38] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: why 3.16?
[06:39] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, ok, try installing from USB again, this time install 3rd party software only
[06:39] <InstallingUbuntu> dang
[06:39] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Long story .. 3 days hard work to get to this point .. full boot partition no head room .. and with utopic thrown into the mess .
[06:39] <ObrienDave> we'll do the updates AFTER the system boots
[06:40] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, EriC^^ It's been a great learning experience though
[06:40] <InstallingUbuntu> got it
[06:40] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: it won't boot with the xenial kernel?
[06:40] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, EriC^^ I've enjoyed it
[06:40] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: that's great :)
[06:40] <ObrienDave> 5 min break
[06:41] <InstallingUbuntu> Should I go try w/o installing>install or just straight install?
[06:41] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Unknown .. was in grub set to boot xenial kernel .. but STILL booted 3.16.0-71 .
[06:42] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: meddling with pc's is pretty fun at times
[06:42] <tom-macbook> Oh, EriC^^ , cp: could not creat the regular file, no such file or directory
[06:42] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Agreed
[06:42] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: aha, try ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999
[06:43] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: nice, it's always nice to have a plot twist somewhere
[06:43] <EriC^^> :D
[06:43] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, http://termbin.com/f0v3
[06:44] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: type sudo mkdir -p /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft/Boot
[06:45] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Let me tell ya ! // this has been a dilly that has been " interesting" to several of us . More than a few have had my backside on this one .
[06:46] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, EriC^^ This has actually been the most fun I've had in weeks. I don't know what I'll do after it XD
[06:46] <EriC^^> :D
[06:46] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, It finished :)
[06:46] <Nikitaw99> found out i was banned from #emacs
[06:47] <Nikitaw99> nobody even told me *why*
[06:47] <EriC^^> try sudo cp -a /boot/efi/EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.efi /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi
[06:47] <Nikitaw99> i am suddenly experiencing hatred towards emacs now...
[06:47] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, That completed.
[06:48] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: ok, try dpkg -l | grep linux-image | nc termbin.com 9999
[06:48] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: That is an easy one to answer .. ya break it again .. and learn what it takes to fix !  .. How else do you think we know what we know .. break it and fix it . Afer all it is linux . ya break it and get to keep the pieces to put it back together .
[06:48] <InstallingUbuntu> Well booting to the USB and going to direct install gives me another frozen splash screen, going to try AGAIN
[06:48] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, And that is so brilliant. It may be a hassle sometimes, but it is so worth it!
[06:49] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, go for the live desktop first, install from there
[06:49] <InstallingUbuntu> Live>install got it
[06:49] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, http://termbin.com/1f9q
[06:50] <ObrienDave> you might also think about buying a cheap video card if 16.04 won't support the onboard chip
[06:50] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: that looks about right
[06:50] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: 3rd time I broke mine where I could not fix it .. I got a brain storm - dual boot ! I now multi-boot .
[06:50] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: Bashing-om reboot time?
[06:51] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Wonderful!
[06:51] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Bashing-om If you guys say so!
[06:51] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Would you like one more check?
[06:51] <EriC^^> you could manually create the links if you want, Bashing-om what do you think?
[06:52] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: I alwaus want to know what grub has set for the booting kernel !
[06:52] <InstallingUbuntu> ok, live desktop is up
[06:52] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, it does have an AGP slot for video. might have a hard time finding one in todays environment
[06:52] <InstallingUbuntu> setting up wifi and going to install
[06:52] <ObrienDave> k
[06:52] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: type grep -E "DEFAULT|menuentry" /boot/grub/grub.cfg /etc/default/grub | nc termbin.com 9999
[06:53] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I think this is the right one? http://paste.ubuntu.com/23576682/
[06:53] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, v
[06:54] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, http://termbin.com/adpe
[06:54] <tom-macbook> Sorry XD
[06:54] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: If you are comfortable booting this system from grub . It will be interesting to see what does result as is - in re-booting .
[06:54] <InstallingUbuntu> Well, I clicked desktop environments by accident and it seems to have frozen the whole desktop
[06:54] <InstallingUbuntu> restarting
[06:54] <ObrienDave> k
[06:54] <MannyLNJ> Hello. When I log in to my 16.04 system I get a message that there was an internal error the details show it's in /usr/sbin/cron how do I get help resolving the problem
[06:55] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: yeah
[06:55] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Bashing-om Should I be traditional and do sudo reboot?
[06:55] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: i'd say reboot it, if it doesn't boot, hold shift to get grub and boot an older kernel from advanced menu
[06:55] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: do you have another means of getting online in case it doesn't pan out?
[06:56] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, Bashing-om Got it. Let's do it!
[06:56] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: I would be better satisfied ' sudo update-grub ' and look ' ls -al /vmlinuz* /initrd.img* ' that there are set 2 sets of symlinks ( that we can set manually !) .
[06:56] <tom-macbook> EriC^^, I'm on an old macbook right now using irc and ssh to get to this computer.
[06:56] <EriC^^> tom-macbook: oh ok, cool
[06:56] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I'm fine with doing that, one sec
[06:57] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23576691/
[06:58] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, EriC^^ update grub completed without a hitch
[06:58] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: A lot I have to learn . On to the learning curve . reboot and let's see what happens and what then we have to do - is what I think .
[06:59] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, http://asrock.com/MB/Intel/P4i65G/index.us.asp
[06:59] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Okay! Let's hope it doesn't burst into falmes ! :P
[06:59] <tom-macbook> flames.
[07:00] <InstallingUbuntu> ObrienDave yep thats the one
[07:00] <tom-macbook> way to ruin a joke
[07:00] <ObrienDave> http://asrock.com/MB/Intel/P4i65G/index.us.asp?cat=Download
[07:00] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: well at least you will not be stranded with no access to IRC .
[07:01] <InstallingUbuntu> Should I update the bios or try installing the drivers?
[07:01] <InstallingUbuntu> either way I don't think I can
[07:02] <InstallingUbuntu> unless the bios can be done by usb
[07:02] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Yeah! I've also got my RasPi XD
[07:02] <ObrienDave> no, BIOS requires floppy
[07:02] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, EriC^^ Welp! It rebooted and is sitting at the login screen! Shall I reconnect to SSH?
[07:03] <InstallingUbuntu> So what should I do
[07:04] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, i would do some research and see if you can find a video card that works in the AGP slot
[07:04] <ObrienDave> for BIOS, if it works, don't try to fix it ;P
[07:04] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, And even better, uname -r reports "4.4.0-51-generic"!
[07:05] <InstallingUbuntu> I don't really want to get a video card :P
[07:05] <InstallingUbuntu> Is it a lost cause?
[07:05] <InstallingUbuntu> Or do you think there's a more compatible distro?
[07:05] <ObrienDave> not really, just yet. we have not given up yet ;P
[07:06] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: we do good work ! thank EriC^^ gaciously . so we set the sumlinks ? what shows now ' ls -al /vmlinuz* /initrd.img* ' ?
[07:06] <InstallingUbuntu> well, I can no longer "Try without installing"
[07:06] <InstallingUbuntu> Stays on the splash screen
[07:06] <InstallingUbuntu> should I redo the usb?
[07:07] <InstallingUbuntu> there's an option to write as DD
[07:07] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, did you install and overwrite the existing OS?
[07:07] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, It's invited me to "do-release-upgrade" to 16.10
[07:07] <InstallingUbuntu> Yeah, I did
[07:07] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23576713/
[07:08] <ObrienDave> the USB should be ok. try a full install from the USB
[07:08] <InstallingUbuntu> tried it
[07:08] <InstallingUbuntu> gets stuck every time
[07:08] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: That is an "option" choose wisely grasshopper . 16.10 is only supported for 9 months .
[07:08] <ObrienDave> grrrr
[07:09] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Well, i'd be more comfortable staying with that than I am staying on 15.whatever that my macbook is on
[07:09] <ObrienDave> tom-macbook, 16.04 is LTS 5 year support
[07:10] <tom-macbook> ObrienDave, So I'll probably bump up to that very soon
[07:10] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, you can try the DD option. but I have never done it that way
[07:11] <InstallingUbuntu> Does anyone know if it would work?
[07:11] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Let's set the symlinks properly . show ' ls -al /boot ' to make the work a bit surer and easier .
[07:11] <InstallingUbuntu> Using Rufus to install an iso to a USB as DD
[07:12] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23576726/
[07:13] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, i've had unetbootin work before. it's available for windows
[07:13] <ObrienDave> https://unetbootin.github.io/
[07:13] <InstallingUbuntu> yeah, if this doesn't work I'll use that
[07:13] <Nikitaw99> how do i dualboot with windows and ubuntu?
[07:14] <Nikitaw99> i currently use windows 7
[07:14] <Nikitaw99> and it would be lovely to have ubuntu
[07:14] <ObrienDave> install to a separate partition, GRUB would allow you to select between the two
[07:15] <InstallingUbuntu> isolinux.bin missing or corrupt
[07:15] <InstallingUbuntu> great
[07:15] <crypticnetwork> hey whats up guys, need help figuring out why when i use the "Sudo apt-get update" command it relays back that it couldn't connect and that it couldnt download or files were missing. When the command is entered it does not connect to the repositories.
[07:15] <ObrienDave> crypticnetwork, could be a repo problem, try a different repo
[07:16] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Do ' sudo rm /vmlinuz.old ; sudo ln -s /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-49-generic /vmlinuz.old ; sudo ln -s /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-51-generic /vmlinuz ' .
[07:16] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, is USB fairly new?
[07:16] <InstallingUbuntu> yeah
[07:16] <crypticnetwork> how do i try a different repo? which file do i edit and what should be within the file for repos links
[07:17] <InstallingUbuntu> 128GB PNY
[07:17] <ObrienDave> k
[07:17] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, They all passed
[07:17] <ObrienDave> crypticnetwork, you select a different mirror site for the repos
[07:18] <ObrienDave> crypticnetwork, i don't remember where you select it in Ubuntu. my Xubuntu is slightly different
[07:19] <Vysty> Hi! I'm installing Ubuntu 16.04 into a new computer and I want to dual-boot with the Windows 10 I already have on it. Can anyone help walk me through the installation process so I make sure I install everything correctly?
[07:19] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, why isolinux got corrupted makes no sense
[07:19] <InstallingUbuntu> I have no clue
[07:20] <ObrienDave> do you still have the original ISO?
[07:20] <InstallingUbuntu> I pulled up Ubuntu 12.04 in UNetbootin and I'm downloading from scratch
[07:20] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Next set : Do ' sudo ln -s  /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-49-generic /initrd.img.old ; sudo ln -s  /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-51-generic /initrd.img ' .
[07:20] <InstallingUbuntu> And yes, I have the origional Iso
[07:21] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, k, use that to make a new USB
[07:21] <PickledEggs> Vysty: Have you already installed Windows?
[07:21] <InstallingUbuntu> Is it strange if the file is 12.04.5?
[07:21] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, First one says that the file already exists
[07:21] <Vysty> PickledEggs: Yes, the computer came installed with Windows 10.
[07:21] <ObrienDave> either one will work. no. 12.04.05 is called a point release
[07:21] <ObrienDave> *12.04.5
[07:21] <InstallingUbuntu> ok
[07:21] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Second one passed
[07:22] <Vysty> PickledEggs: I'm at the point where I need to choose my partition space.
[07:22] <PickledEggs> Vysty: do you already have an Ubuntu partition created?
[07:22] <InstallingUbuntu> If needed, Rufus has Syslinux ready to install
[07:23] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: true .. need to delete that old one 1st /.// doooohhh // same as we did for /vmlinuz !
[07:23] <InstallingUbuntu> What exactly is Syslinux?
[07:23] <Vysty> PickledEggs: Nope, I'm at the spot where I need to create those partitions.
[07:23] <InstallingUbuntu> It also has FreeDOS and ReactOS
[07:23] <ObrienDave> System Linus. sort of an archive of the core system
[07:23] <ObrienDave> *linux
[07:23] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I don't follow, what do you mean?
[07:24] <Vysty> PickledEggs: "This computer currently has Windows Boot MAnager on it. What would you like to do?" And I'm given the choices of "Install Ubuntu alongside Windows Boot Manager", "Erase Disk and Install Ubuntu", and "Something Else".
[07:24] <InstallingUbuntu> If this doesn't work, should I try lubuntu insteald?
[07:24] <Vysty> PickledEggs: Obviously I don't want the 2nd one, but I'm not sure about the other two.
[07:24] <PickledEggs> you want the first one
[07:24] <PickledEggs> Ubuntu plays nice with Windows
[07:24] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, basically all *buntus share the same core system. the different flavors have to do with desktop environment and the default installed packages
[07:24] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: ' sudo rm /initrd.img.old ; sudo ln -s  /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-49-generic /initrd.img.old '.
[07:25] <InstallingUbuntu> ok
[07:25] <PickledEggs> which is why I asked if you had it installed already, if you go the other direction Windows will wrestle the boot control away from Grub making it harder to boot into Ubuntu
[07:25] <Vysty> PickledEggs: I thought so. Now when I choose partitions, I have one for "Ubuntu" and one for "Files" (/dev/sda3). Is the "Files" the Windows partition?
[07:25] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, That worked :)
[07:27] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Check ! ' sudo update-grub ' once more .
[07:28] <PickledEggs> Vysty: I'm not certain. I usually make my Ubuntu partition in windows before I start the installation process. I'm hesitant to give you advice without being able to see it, I'd hate for you to lose your windows partition. I
[07:28] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, It'd seem that grub-timeout is no longer supported. Oh well.
[07:28] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, that finished though
[07:28] <PickledEggs> I'm sure someone else will be more qualified than me, I haven't done a Windows/Ubuntu install in quite some time
[07:28] <SynfulAck> Is there a north american time server that can be used which will auto determine which server to use?
[07:28] <SynfulAck> like ntp.org or sumin?
[07:29] <Vysty> PickledEggs: I appreciate it.
[07:29] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Just an advisory .. we can do what is suggestd and make it go away .
[07:29] <ObrienDave> Vysty, look at the format info. windows will be FATx or NTFS. Linus partition should be ext4
[07:30] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Yes?
[07:30] <ObrienDave> *Linux. grrrr, getting tired ;P
[07:30] <ImUs3r> tftp -gl i1 192.168.1.9  <— what it means?
[07:30] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Well .. time once more to test .. re-boot and let's see the effect for real . Then if all is hunky dory remove that old 3.16 kernel !
[07:30] <tom-macbook> Alright, I'll send the reboot signal
[07:30] <ImUs3r> it means that i will take i1 from 192.168.1.9?
[07:31] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, any progress?
[07:31] <InstallingUbuntu> 30% done downloading the iso
[07:31] <ObrienDave> k
[07:32] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, It rebooted, I'm back at prompt :)
[07:32] <InstallingUbuntu> It only took ~5 mins on google chrome, idk why UNetbootin is making it so much slower
[07:32] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, are you making a live usb?
[07:32] <InstallingUbuntu> yep
[07:33] <glitchd> there is way to make it much faster instead of using unetbootin
[07:33] <glitchd> unless you are making a usb with persistence
[07:33] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, no, you can use unetbootin to use the ISO file you already have
[07:34] <glitchd> but when i make a usb, its done in about 5-6 minutes, if even that long
[07:34] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: And you know that all is stable on the 4.4.0-51 kernel ??/ such that we can remove the known good 3.16 kernel ?? ..,or wait and see for sure ??
[07:34] <glitchd> my way uses dd
[07:34] <InstallingUbuntu> Yeah, but I'm not sure if the iso I have is messed up, so I'm trying to eliminate all the possibilities of faliure
[07:34] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, You know, I'll take your word for it. You definitely know them better than I do!
[07:34] <ObrienDave> gotcha
[07:35] <ObrienDave> can you do torrents?
[07:35] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, well using dd will make an exact copy of the iso onto the usb
[07:35] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Nope . Need to KNOW that the booted kernel is stable on that particular hardware before removing the last known good kernel .
[07:35] <MannyLNJ> Not sure where to ask. I am using Ubuntu 16.04 with KVM I want a virtual system to have an IP on the local network so I can access it from the outside. How do I do this?
[07:35] <InstallingUbuntu> I tried DD with Rufus and that gave me an error when I tried to boot to it
[07:36] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, So what is the next step?
[07:36] <InstallingUbuntu> isolinux.bin missing or corrupt
[07:36] <InstallingUbuntu> that was the error
[07:36] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, dd is a commandline utility, i have never used rufus, so i cant comment on that.
[07:36] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, can you d/l using torrents?
[07:36] <tempest1> Any distros where you shouldn't dd their installation iso's?
[07:36] <InstallingUbuntu> not really, Windows 10 hates torrenting software
[07:37] <tom-macbook> InstallingUbuntu, ObrienDave If you have an android, you could even do it from there
[07:37] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, dd bs=4m if=/location_of_iso of /dev/sdb?
[07:37] <InstallingUbuntu> glitchd what?
[07:37] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Use and test the -61 and -49 kernels . once sarisfied .. then remove the 3,16 kernel . next now if ya want is to edit /etc/default/grub and make that advisory go away iffen ya want .
[07:38] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, that's the DD command :)
[07:38] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, that would be the command and you would just fill in the infomation of the location you want it saved in and which sdb you usb is
[07:38] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Nah, I'm alright with the advisory hanging around. I can hide it if I need.
[07:38] <InstallingUbuntu> I'm not on a linux machine currently
[07:38] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, oh well thats to bad, nevermind my comments then
[07:39] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, But is that it? Not one more grand command? :P
[07:39] <InstallingUbuntu> thanks anyway
[07:39] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, np
[07:39] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, if this ISO keeps failing, install bittorrent on w10 and we'll try it that way
[07:39] <InstallingUbuntu> bittorrent won't work on windows 10
[07:40] <glitchd> where did he get the iso from?
[07:40] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, lol yes it will
[07:40] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Then use what there is .. all looks great to me ! once sure that -51 and -49 are stable . remove the old 3.16 kernel .
[07:40] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Can do!
[07:40] <InstallingUbuntu> I tried it earlier and all it did was freeze up...
[07:40] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, what program?
[07:40] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I'll put it through it's paces, try it on a UEFI computer tomorrow, etc.
[07:41] <Vysty> Anyone done a Windows/Ubuntu dual-boot install recently? I'm doing one right now on a new computer and I want to make sure I do it correctly.
[07:41] <InstallingUbuntu> bittorrent
[07:41] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, bittorrent is not a program..
[07:41] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, I just got to say, thank you so much for your time and patience. I'll be sure to stick around here when I can to help out!
[07:41] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, what program were you using to download torrents with?
[07:41] <InstallingUbuntu> I downloaded the bittorrent client
[07:41] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Pass along my thanks to Eric as well!
[07:42] <InstallingUbuntu> www.bittorrent.com
[07:42] <glitchd> no.
[07:42] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: remember ' df -h ' is your friend .. look at it sometimes . do not allow a partition to exceed 90 % capacity .. linux gets cranky then !
[07:42] <InstallingUbuntu> no?
[07:42] <glitchd> google for deluge
[07:42] <glitchd> download that
[07:42] <tom-macbook> Bashing-om, Copy that! And when it begins to look a bit chubby, just run sudo apt-get autoremove/clean?
[07:42] <InstallingUbuntu> download.deluge-torrent.org/windows/?C=M;O=D
[07:43] <InstallingUbuntu> which one?
[07:43] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, http://download.deluge-torrent.org/windows/deluge-1.3.13-win32-py2.7-0.exe
[07:43] <lenswipee> how to chmod and permissions in usr/local/bin/bee
[07:43] <Vysty> I'm installing Ubuntu right now on a computer with Windows  and I want to dual-boot them. I'm at the part where I select my partitions now and I'm not sure what I'm looking at. I have an "Ubuntu" partition (/dev/sda4) and a "Files" partition (/dev/sda3). Is this "Files" partition my current Windows 10?
[07:44] <ObrienDave> Vysty, look at the format info. windows will be FATx or NTFS. Linus partition should be ext4
[07:44] <glitchd> Vysty, what kind of filesystem does it say the partition with the files is ?
[07:44] <Vysty> ObrienDave: Yup, the "Files" is NTFS and Ubuntu is ext4.
[07:44] <glitchd> ObrienDave, beat me to it..
[07:44] <ObrienDave> i'm old and slow ;P
[07:45] <glitchd> lol nah
[07:45] <InstallingUbuntu> glitchd I have deluge now, where do I torrent the 12.04 iso?
[07:45] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, is deluge done downloading yet?
[07:45] <InstallingUbuntu> yeah
[07:45] <Vysty> So the NTFS is the Windows 10 here?
[07:45] <glitchd> ys
[07:45] <glitchd> yes
[07:45] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, ill get you a link 1 second
[07:45] <tom-macbook> Again, thank you all!!!
[07:46] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, btw why are u looking for 12.04?
[07:46] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, ubuntu is up to 16.04 now
[07:46] <InstallingUbuntu> Its the only compatible version with my hardware
[07:46] <InstallingUbuntu> no video card
[07:46] <ObrienDave> glitchd, it won't support his ancient video
[07:46] <glitchd> alrighty then
[07:46] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-12.04.5-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[07:46] <InstallingUbuntu> old video card*
[07:46] <Bashing-om> tom-macbook: Yeah .. and if still "chunky" take action to slim whatever it is ( say /home or maybe /var ) to as less as you can make it . - full partitions can will and do crash the system . Ask me, it is not nice when that happens !
[07:47] <ObrienDave> oops, wait
[07:47] <ObrienDave> grrrrr, frozen. back in a few
[07:48] <glitchd> ObrienDave, dangit, beat me again lol
[07:48] <InstallingUbuntu> downloading, ETA 2mins
[07:48] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, seriously tho, bittorrent.com? lol
[07:48] <InstallingUbuntu> what
[07:49] <glitchd> is that even a real site?
[07:49] <InstallingUbuntu> It even says bittorrent.com on the ubuntu website
[07:49] <glitchd> oh wow..
[07:49] <glitchd> did not know that
[07:49] <lenswipee> how to chmod and permissions in usr/local/bin/bee
[07:49] <glitchd> been using deluge for as long as i can remember
[07:49] <henry__> I have an e-mail server which hangs up at random times. Nothing in logs, but I observed that it doesn't hang up if e-mail server is not running on this machine. Any suggestions?
[07:50] <InstallingUbuntu> they're all basically the same client, just some have ads and some dont
[07:50] <glitchd> lenswipee, what are you trying to change permissions of?
[07:50] <InstallingUbuntu> I think deluge is different though
[07:50] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, deluge has always been the best as far as im concerned
[07:50] <lenswipee> glitchd, a program
[07:50] <glitchd> lenswipee, ...obviously
[07:51] <InstallingUbuntu> ok, I have the iso
[07:51] <lenswipee> glitchd, you asked...
[07:51] <InstallingUbuntu> should I use rufus or unetbootin
[07:51] <glitchd> lenswipee, sudo chmod a+x /usr/bin/bee
[07:51] <ObrienDave> i like unetbootin
[07:51] <glitchd> lenswipee, yes i did..
[07:51] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu,  you should use dd
[07:51] <lenswipee> glitchd, whats a for?
[07:52] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, dd bs=4m if=/location_of_iso of /dev/sdb?
[07:52] <InstallingUbuntu> glitchd how do I use DD in deluge on windows?
[07:52] <ObrienDave> glitchd, he's NOT on Linux
[07:52] <henry__> anyone?
[07:52] <glitchd> oh gawd, im sorry i forgot
[07:52] <InstallingUbuntu> dd in unetbootin*
[07:52] <glitchd> my bad folks
[07:52] <lenswipee> glitchd, whats a in a+x
[07:52] <glitchd> no dd is a linux utility
[07:53] <InstallingUbuntu> I could do dd on rufus
[07:53] <InstallingUbuntu> its an option
[07:53] <InstallingUbuntu> otherwise it just installs normally
[07:53] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, fire up unetbootin, click disk image near the bottom, locate ISO and burn to USB
[07:53] <InstallingUbuntu> already up
[07:53] <InstallingUbuntu> wll do
[07:53] <InstallingUbuntu> will*
[07:54] <InstallingUbuntu> man, how long have we been at this?
[07:54] <InstallingUbuntu> 3 hours?
[07:54] <ObrienDave> you don't need the persistance part
[07:54] <ObrienDave> i lost track ;P
[07:54] <InstallingUbuntu> yeah I skipped persistance
[07:54] <glitchd> lenswipee, i dont remember off hand, but its what i use when making something executable
[07:55] <henry__> do you reboot your servers every x months?
[07:56] <glitchd> lenswipee, it means add, a+x means add executable bit
[07:56] <glitchd> lenswipee, i believe..
[07:56] <Ben64> glitchd: nope
[07:56] <glitchd> Ben64, i just realize youre right, i just read what it actually means
[07:56] <Ben64> it's near the beginning of "man chmod"  :)
[07:57] <hudson> Hello guys, really having a bad day
[07:57] <glitchd> means all users
[07:57] <glitchd> lenswipee, means all users
[07:58] <glitchd> hudson, sry to hear that..
[07:59] <hudson> I had ubuntu installed on my MacBook Pro, It has been stolen recently, will I be able to track it if the person connected it to online services?
[07:59] <hudson> glitchd:
[07:59] <InstallingUbuntu> Usb ready, going to try booting to it
[07:59] <glitchd> hudson, no idea, sry..
[07:59] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, gl
[07:59] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, good luck!
[08:00] <InstallingUbuntu> I got a screen that says UNetbootin and some options
[08:00] <InstallingUbuntu> Default?
[08:00] <InstallingUbuntu> Install Ubuntu?
[08:00] <glitchd> yep
[08:00] <ObrienDave> yup
[08:00] <glitchd> if youre trying to install ubuntu
[08:01] <InstallingUbuntu> There's Install and Install Ubuntu
[08:01] <InstallingUbuntu> which one do I pcik?
[08:01] <InstallingUbuntu> pick*
[08:01] <ObrienDave> ubuntu
[08:01] <hudson> Thanks glitchd , guess am gonna have to try harder
[08:01] <InstallingUbuntu> ok
[08:02] <InstallingUbuntu> there's a blinking underscore at the bottom left
[08:02] <glitchd> hudson, good luck!
[08:02] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, just wait
[08:02] <InstallingUbuntu> now we're at choose a language
[08:02] <glitchd> then choose
[08:02] <ObrienDave> that's a plus
[08:03] <Vysty> I just installed Ubuntu 16.04 to dualboot with my Windows 10. I restarted the computer after installation and the computer boots with Win 10 without asking me what I want to boot with. Can anyone help me figure out where I messed up?
[08:03] <InstallingUbuntu> "You can try to have your keyboard layout detected by pressing a series of keys..."
[08:03] <InstallingUbuntu> yes/no
[08:03] <glitchd> yes
[08:03] <ObrienDave> no, select US keyboard
[08:03] <glitchd> lol
[08:03] <Vysty> One side effect I'm noticing, though, is my Windows 10 has slowed down A LOT.
[08:04] <Jordan_U> hudson: If they navigate to gmail.com then you can see what ip addresses have logged into your account recently, but that's a long shot (and you may instead want to revoke your laptop's access to your gmail, which would prevent this trick from helping you but would also keep them out of your sensitive email).
[08:04] <theyesman> Vysty, installing ubuntu will have no performance hit on windows. none at all.
[08:04] <ObrienDave> Vysty, windows can NOT access the ext4 partition
[08:04] <InstallingUbuntu> too late
[08:04] <InstallingUbuntu> went through the setup
[08:04] <henry__> ObrienDave: aren't there tools which make it possible?
[08:04] <InstallingUbuntu> chose Intel:US
[08:04] <ObrienDave> as long as it works InstallingUbuntu
[08:04] <theyesman> it will not even touch your windows system. they are completely independent of each other.
[08:05] <Vysty> ObrienDave: So how do I access Ubuntu?
[08:05] <Vysty> ObrienDave: Whenever I have done this before, I've been able to select which operating system I want at Startup.
[08:05] <ObrienDave> henry__, i've heard of one utility, but don't remember its name
[08:05] <theyesman> Vysty, sounds like you haven't installed grub.
[08:05] <hudson> Thanks Jordan_U , I don't think they will be able to login to my Ubuntu, had a pretty good password
[08:06] <Vysty> theyesman: Well... can I fix that?
[08:06] <hudson> Is there a probability of ever finding it Jordan_U ?
[08:06] <InstallingUbuntu> There was a problem reading data from the CD-ROM. Please make sure it is in the drive. If retrying does not work, you should check the integrity of your CD-ROM. Failed to copy file from CD-ROM. Retry?
[08:06] <InstallingUbuntu> yes/no
[08:06] <ObrienDave> try
[08:06] <ObrienDave> don't think it will work though
[08:06] <henry__> ObrienDave: it shouldn't be too much of a problem in any case. extX are open standards, so if one wants to, then should be able to access this filesystem from anything. But I understand that you aren't speaking from security point of view?
[08:06] <theyesman> probably have to boot back into live system and run a grub install on the hdd.
[08:06] <InstallingUbuntu> keeps sending me to the error
[08:06] <Vysty> theyesman: How do I do that?
[08:07] <InstallingUbuntu> I'll try "no"
[08:07] <glitchd> henry__, ObrienDave https://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2read/
[08:07] <InstallingUbuntu> Installation step failed
[08:07] <InstallingUbuntu> how lovely
[08:07] <ObrienDave> grrrrrr
[08:07] <Jordan_U> hudson: Unless you had something like dynamic DNS or a system specifically designed for recovering your machine installed prior to it being stolen there's nothing in Ubuntu that I can think of that would help in this situation.
[08:07] <InstallingUbuntu> I ran into this problem trying to dual boot my laptop
[08:07] <Jordan_U> hudson: Call the police.
[08:07] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, try your rufus way again. this is crazy
[08:07] <InstallingUbuntu> the only way to fix it is to use DD
[08:08] <glitchd> installing i think u download dd for windows, but im not positive
[08:09] <InstallingUbuntu> rufus has an option for it
[08:09] <glitchd> i think im wrong about that..
[08:09] <glitchd> try that or get unetbootin
[08:09] <InstallingUbuntu> I just did unetbootin
[08:09] <InstallingUbuntu> didnt work
[08:09] <ObrienDave> that's what he just used
[08:10] <glitchd> oh sry, i must not of been here to read that part
[08:10] <Vysty> Just installed Ubuntu 16.04 to dualboot with Windows and I appear to be having a problem with GRUB. Windows is starting automatically without asking me which OS I want to boot. Can anyone help me get GRUB working properly/
[08:11] <InstallingUbuntu> isolinux.bin is missing or corrupt
[08:11] <ObrienDave> o   m   g
[08:11] <glitchd> ...
[08:12]  * hpeng 
[08:12] <ObrienDave> i'm beginning to suspect your USB is borked
[08:12] <ObrienDave> give it a format, and try using rufus. we had better luck that way
[08:12] <InstallingUbuntu> I mean how many times can you format it
[08:13] <ObrienDave> thousands
[08:13] <InstallingUbuntu> I've done this like 30 times
[08:13] <glitchd> upon thousands
[08:13] <glitchd> its flash memory
[08:13] <glitchd> i meant to be used that way
[08:13] <ObrienDave> it will eventually go bad, but not in this decade ;P
[08:13] <glitchd> what format are you formatting it to?
[08:14] <InstallingUbuntu> I dont have any other USB's to spare, though I don't think that's the problem
[08:14] <InstallingUbuntu> I could boot from my laptop just fine
[08:14] <InstallingUbuntu> its the old hardware
[08:14] <lenswipee> what does the a in a+x do?
[08:14] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, it can be too large. best to use a FAT32 formet
[08:14] <ObrienDave> *format
[08:14] <InstallingUbuntu> is 128GB too large?
[08:15] <Ben64> lenswipee: what glitchd told you 18 minutes ago
[08:15] <glitchd> lenswipee, makes a file executable
[08:15] <ObrienDave> yes, fat32 won't go that large.
[08:15] <ducasse> lenswipee: see top of 'man chmod'
[08:15] <lenswipee> Ben64, actually he said he didn't remener
[08:16] <InstallingUbuntu> so NTFS, UDF, and exFat are my only other options
[08:16] <lenswipee> Ben64, and it's the x part that makes it executable
[08:16] <Ben64> lenswipee: Dec 03 2016 23:57:54 <glitchd>	lenswipee, means all users
[08:16] <InstallingUbuntu> which one should I try
[08:16] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, you'll have to use a disk utility to create a partition on that USB that will suport fat32
[08:16] <ObrienDave> 32GB or smaller
[08:17] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, right click computer and select manage, then disk management, the delete the partiiton, make a small 1 gb partition, then try rufus again.
[08:17] <ObrienDave> 4GB minimum
[08:17] <ObrienDave> just to be safe
[08:17] <glitchd> not a bad idea
[08:17] <ObrienDave> it only needs to be slightly larger than the ISO
[08:17] <InstallingUbuntu> Its asking me to format C:/ to continue and there's only a yes box so I guess I'll click that
[08:17] <glitchd> i suggested 1gb in the intrest of speed
[08:17] <FinalX> FAT32 can be 128GB and technically more, but Win2K can only format until 32GB and the real maximum safe size is 128GB
[08:17] <glitchd> no
[08:18] <FinalX> would highly recommend against it, though
[08:18] <InstallingUbuntu> gotcha
[08:18] <glitchd> lol format c will delete everything in windows.
[08:18] <InstallingUbuntu> i was joking
[08:18] <ObrienDave> NO NOT C:/
[08:18] <ObrienDave> gawd
[08:18] <glitchd> FinalX, theres a small utility you can download to format larger partition to fat32
[08:18] <glitchd> ObrienDave, lmao
[08:19] <ObrienDave> too tired for that ;P
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[08:19] <lenswipee> what does the a in a+x do?
[08:19] <glitchd>  lololol
[08:19] <glitchd> lenswipee, how many times do we have to tell you??
[08:19] <lenswipee> glitchd, once is enough
[08:19] <ObrienDave> lenswipee is now an official troll. NO FEEDING TROLLS
[08:19] <Vysty> Next one! I got my GRUB to work, and now when I restart my computer I'm greeted with a "Secure Boot Violation", which reads "Invalid signature detected. Check Secure Boot Policy in Setup". I can select [OK] and load Ubuntu normally. Can anyone tell me what this is?
[08:19] <glitchd> lenswipee, scroll up and read it the other 2 times i have answered that question.
[08:20] <InstallingUbuntu> ok I have disk management open and my USB selected
[08:20] <lenswipee> glitchd, no answer yet
[08:20] <ObrienDave> delete the partition, make a fat32 partition of 4GB
[08:20] <kbob> 7quit
[08:20] <glitchd> Dec 03 2016 23:57:54 <glitchd> lenswipee, means all users
[08:20] <glitchd> lenswipee, Dec 03 2016 23:57:54 <glitchd> lenswipee, means all users
[08:20] <ObrienDave> lenswipee is now an official troll. NO FEEDING TROLLS
[08:21] <glitchd> yep pretty much
[08:21] <InstallingUbuntu> Formatting first
[08:21] <glitchd> lenswipee, thats the last answer you get from me.
[08:21] <lenswipee> glitchd, what you mean it means all users. there is only one user here.
[08:21] <glitchd> lenswipee, adding you to the ignore list. buhbye then.
[08:21] <ducasse> lenswipee: read the man page
[08:21] <ObrienDave> NO FEEDING TROLLS
[08:22] <lenswipee> ducasse, man page is hard to understand
[08:22] <Vysty> Did anyone see my last question?
[08:22] <Vysty> Or were you guys too busy feeding trolls? :D
[08:22] <InstallingUbuntu> There's no option to delete the partition on my USB
[08:22] <glitchd> Vysty, its because of secure boot
[08:22] <InstallingUbuntu> only to format it as NTFS or exFAT
[08:22] <lenswipee> ducasse, you know it's true
[08:22] <ObrienDave> you can try NTFS
[08:23] <Vysty> glitchd: What is secure boot?
[08:23] <FinalX> glitchd: like I said, it _can_ be bigger, just not _safely_
[08:23] <glitchd> FinalX, right on
[08:23] <InstallingUbuntu> Its been NTFS this whole time
[08:23] <InstallingUbuntu> I think
[08:23] <glitchd> Vysty, its microsofts attempt to stop the use of ubuntu on their machines.
[08:23] <InstallingUbuntu> maybe not
[08:23] <glitchd> Vysty, *linux
[08:23] <Vysty> glitchd: Haha, go figure. Any way to disable it?
[08:23] <ObrienDave> i'm sure fat32 is best for burning ISO
[08:24] <glitchd> Vysty, i dont think windows will work with it disabled
[08:24] <InstallingUbuntu> Any way to partition the USB?
[08:24] <ducasse> Vysty: it's an uefi thing, look for a bios option to 'trust' the ubuntu bootloader
[08:24] <Vysty> glitchd: Or at least have it allow Ubuntu to pass without harassment?
[08:24] <ObrienDave> yes, through disk management
[08:24] <glitchd> Vysty, but im pretty sure there is a way to install a secureboot safe bootloader for linux
[08:24] <Vysty> ducasse: Gotcha.
[08:25] <ducasse> Vysty: you can switch it off, also
[08:25] <glitchd> Vysty, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[08:25] <Vysty> ducasse: Do you know how to do that?
[08:26] <ducasse> Vysty: depends on your bios
[08:26] <glitchd> Vysty, its in the bios
[08:26] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, just don't format C:/ you'll give me a heart attack ;P
[08:26] <glitchd> ObrienDave, im in tears..
[08:26] <glitchd> ObrienDave, lol
[08:26] <Vysty> Alrighty then... which F-key options the BIOS again...
[08:26] <InstallingUbuntu> Already did that when I overwrote the garbage box
[08:26] <glitchd> Vysty, read your screen when booting, it will tell you what to press to reach the bios
[08:26] <InstallingUbuntu> "Install Ubuntu"="Uninstall Windows"
[08:27] <andy_____> join andy
[08:27] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, if you format c, yes.
[08:27] <andy_____> ok
[08:27] <glitchd> join andy in what?
[08:27] <andy_____> sorry
[08:27] <andy_____> i wrong
[08:27] <andy_____> it's in another computer
[08:27] <glitchd> what is?
[08:27] <ObrienDave> proceed IRC commands with /
[08:27] <andy_____> nothing
[08:27] <andy_____> forget please
[08:28] <glitchd> done
[08:28] <andy_____> ok
[08:28] <ObrienDave> as in /join
[08:28] <andy_____> what are u doing in this time man?
[08:29] <ObrienDave> ignoring you ;P
[08:29] <andy_____> ;-;
[08:29] <andy_____> so sad
[08:29] <andy_____> why?
[08:29] <ducasse> !ot | andy_____
[08:29] <glitchd> byebye andy_____
[08:30] <Vysty> Sweet! I'm in the BIOS.
[08:30] <glitchd> Vysty, awesome
[08:30] <Vysty> So I just disable Secure Boot?
[08:31] <ducasse> Vysty: either that, or trust the ubuntu bootloader
[08:31] <glitchd> Vysty, if you want to boot linux, yes. but you will not be able to boot windows until you re-enable it
[08:31] <Apachez> where in compizconfig do I set the settings for how marking things on the desktop is performed? Like if the rectangle should have a solid color or a dotted line?
[08:31] <ducasse> glitchd: sure he will
[08:31] <Vysty> ducasse: Mreh? Which one is it?
[08:31] <glitchd> Vysty, or yes if u see the option to trust the linux bootloader, then do that.
[08:31] <Vysty> I'll still be able to boot whatever I want from GRUB, right?
[08:31] <ducasse> Vysty: yes
[08:32] <glitchd> ducasse, when i disabled secureboot on my other laptop to boot linux, i would not let me boot windows until i re-enable it
[08:32] <glitchd> ducasse, thats the only reason i said that.
[08:32] <ducasse> glitchd: sounds strange, it should not matter
[08:32] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, how we doing?
[08:33] <InstallingUbuntu> trying again
[08:33] <ObrienDave> k
[08:33] <Vysty> Yup, I can choose to boot either one.
[08:33] <glitchd> ducasse, isnt it like one of the core new features of windows 10?
[08:33] <Vysty> Thanks!
[08:33] <InstallingUbuntu> Rufus in iso mode
[08:33] <Vysty> I'm dual-booted! Woo!
[08:33] <ObrienDave> ok, whatever works :)
[08:33] <InstallingUbuntu> do you think an even earlier version would work better?
[08:33] <ducasse> glitchd: not that i use windows, but secure boot is supposed to be optional (yet)
[08:34] <glitchd> ducasse, i agree, but i can only comment from my experience.
[08:34] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, meh, could be but an older version would not let you upgrade
[08:34] <InstallingUbuntu> really?
[08:35] <ObrienDave> ypu, at end-of-life, poof, no more support, no more upgrades
[08:35] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, do you have a install cd by chance?
[08:35] <InstallingUbuntu> nope
[08:35] <glitchd> ok
[08:35] <ObrienDave> just the ISO
[08:35] <InstallingUbuntu> and no, I don't have a cd burner
[08:35] <ducasse> glitchd: well, it clearly worked for him so let's drop the windows talk :)
[08:35] <glitchd> just checking
[08:35] <InstallingUbuntu> just the iso
[08:36] <glitchd> ducasse, much agreed=)
[08:36] <ObrienDave> windows is verboten ;p
[08:37] <Vysty> Okay, next weird one. Installing some software on my fresh Ubuntu OS, and I'm getting this when I try to install anything: "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:37] <Vysty> What other process would be using it?
[08:37] <glitchd> Vysty, you cant have both the software center and synaptic open at the same time
[08:37] <ObrienDave> you have a package manager open, ubuntu store, synaptic, etc
[08:37] <glitchd> Vysty, and you cant install anything from command line with either of those open
[08:38] <glitchd> only 1 at a time
[08:38] <Vysty> None of those are open. I literally just booted Ubuntu and opened the terminl.
[08:38] <Vysty> terminal*
[08:38] <ycarene> Anyone getting random chats?
[08:38] <ObrienDave> ycarene, yes, been happening all night
[08:39] <ycarene> Lovely
[08:39] <InstallingUbuntu> You have been disconnected from the server
[08:39] <Vysty> Ah man the whole system is glitching out on me.
[08:39] <glitchd> Vysty, open terminal, type " ps -A | grep soft "
[08:39] <Vysty> Hold on. Rebooting.
[08:39] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, what server?
[08:39] <glitchd> Vysty, does it list the software center?
[08:39] <InstallingUbuntu> I was trying to make a joke :P
[08:40] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, ...
[08:40] <ObrienDave> gawd. i'm too tired for that ;P
[08:40] <InstallingUbuntu> same
[08:40] <InstallingUbuntu> I think its working
[08:40] <InstallingUbuntu> I got past the cd rom part
[08:40] <ObrienDave> glitchd will get a laugh out of it though ;P
[08:41] <glitchd> lol
[08:41] <Vysty> WTF? Am I getting the Ubuntu blue screen of death or something here?
[08:41] <InstallingUbuntu> Configuring network hardware
[08:41] <glitchd> you were right about that ObrienDave
[08:41] <ObrienDave> see?
[08:41] <InstallingUbuntu> we might just be in business
[08:41] <glitchd> Vysty, there is no such thing..
[08:41] <Vysty> I'm staring at it.
[08:41] <InstallingUbuntu> Network autoconfiguration failed
[08:41] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, just wait
[08:42] <ObrienDave> ok, let it cook!
[08:42] <InstallingUbuntu> no, i have to do something
[08:42] <InstallingUbuntu> it stopped
[08:42] <Lodiz> Hi, anyone successfully installed xorg server 1.19 on ubuntu 16.04 ??
[08:42] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, just wait!
[08:42] <InstallingUbuntu> ???
[08:42] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, did you get USB formatted to fat32?
[08:43] <InstallingUbuntu> no
[08:43] <InstallingUbuntu> NTFS
[08:43] <glitchd> omg..
[08:43] <InstallingUbuntu> I think its working now
[08:43] <Vysty> Yup. Ubuntu blue screen of death.
[08:43] <glitchd> you dont listen InstallingUbuntu
[08:43] <Vysty> My wife is going to kill me.
[08:43] <InstallingUbuntu> my boi
[08:43] <ObrienDave> i know that's the problem.
[08:43] <InstallingUbuntu> This is the only time I've gotten this far
[08:43] <ducasse> Vysty: what happened?
[08:44] <Vysty> ducasse: After I log into Ubuntu, the screen goes blue and I can do nothing.
[08:44] <ObrienDave> you have to find something to get a fat32 partition on that USB or buy a smaller one.
[08:44] <lapideviridi> Hey, I have some trouble removing the application rescuetime from my Ubuntu Mate. Neither apt-get remove nor dpkg -r finds the name of the package. I'm a bit bummed, since I have no idea of what to do when that fails me
[08:44] <glitchd> there is a windows program to do it
[08:44] <InstallingUbuntu> Network is probably not using DHCP Protocol
[08:44] <InstallingUbuntu> Continue
[08:44] <glitchd> fat32gui i think its called
[08:44] <Vysty> ducasse: Restarted and tried it again. Got the blue screen again.
[08:44] <InstallingUbuntu> is the only option
[08:45] <ducasse> Vysty: log in on a console and look for errors in ~/.xsession-errors
[08:45] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, just do it
[08:45] <InstallingUbuntu> Do not configure network at this time
[08:45] <Vysty> ducasse: How do I log onto a console?
[08:45] <ducasse> Vysty: ctrl+alt+f1
[08:45] <glitchd> crtl+alt+f1
[08:45] <glitchd> lol
[08:45] <ObrienDave> Vysty, there is no such thing as a Linux BSOD
[08:45] <lapideviridi> I believe I downloaded a .deb file from their homepage and installed that
[08:46] <Vysty> ObrienDave: I'm staring at it.
[08:46] <glitchd> Vysty, its not a bsod
[08:46] <glitchd> sounds like a graphics drive problem or something like that
[08:46] <ObrienDave> screenshot or it does not exist ;p
[08:46] <glitchd> ObrienDave, +1
[08:47] <InstallingUbuntu> Your installation medium is on /dev/sdb1. You will not be able to create, delete, or resize partitions on this disk, but you may be able to install to existing partitions there.
[08:47] <glitchd> Vysty, go to console and type " sudo killall lightdm
[08:47] <InstallingUbuntu> "Continue"
[08:47] <glitchd> yes
[08:48] <glitchd> Vysty, go to console and type " sudo killall lightdm "
[08:48] <Vysty> ducasse: How do I look for errors in that?
[08:48] <ducasse> Vysty: go to the end
[08:48] <Vysty> ObrienDave: I'm busy trying to fix that damn problem.
[08:48] <InstallingUbuntu> Guided- (many options)
[08:48] <Vysty> ducasse: How do I open it?
[08:48] <InstallingUbuntu> "Use entire disk"?
[08:48] <Vysty> ducasse: I've got no experience using consoles. :/
[08:48] <glitchd> Vysty, dmesg tail
[08:48] <l9> InstallingUbuntu: yes
[08:48] <ObrienDave> guided, yes
[08:48] <InstallingUbuntu> ok
[08:49] <ducasse> Vysty: try 'cat ~/.xsession-errors | nc termbin.com 9999' and post the url
[08:49] <InstallingUbuntu> Write changes?
[08:49] <InstallingUbuntu> y/n
[08:49] <glitchd> yes
[08:49] <ObrienDave> InstallingUbuntu, sorry, but I need to get to bed
[08:49] <glitchd> gn ObrienDave
[08:49] <l9> wuuhu one gotta love spam botnets they are so much fun :D
[08:49] <InstallingUbuntu> Good night, thanks for all the help
[08:49] <l9> not
[08:49] <Vysty> http://termbin.com/zhk0n
[08:49] <ObrienDave> best of luck
[08:49] <InstallingUbuntu> I'll see if I can get on tomorrow and tell you how it went
[08:49] <ObrienDave> k
[08:50] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, i can try to help you if you would like
[08:50] <InstallingUbuntu> thanks
[08:50] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, thanks yes, or thanks no?
[08:50] <InstallingUbuntu> yes
[08:50] <InstallingUbuntu> Its unpacking right now, so nothing to do
[08:50] <InstallingUbuntu> "Installing the base system"
[08:50] <Vysty> ducasse: Did you see my link?
[08:51] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, ok, are you still making the usb or are you installing on the hard drive now?
[08:51] <InstallingUbuntu> installing on the hard drive
[08:51] <InstallingUbuntu> again
[08:51] <glitchd> ok
[08:51] <InstallingUbuntu> We got it to boot to live a few hours ago, and I installed from there
[08:52] <InstallingUbuntu> when I rebooted, however, all I got was a black screen
[08:52] <InstallingUbuntu> so for the past 3 hrs we tried to get it to work again
[08:52] <ducasse> Vysty: yes. i'm not sure how to fix this, i don't use unity.
[08:52] <Vysty> :(
[08:52] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, mmk
[08:53] <blueking> have anyone got 50+ PM's on this irc server ?
[08:53] <glitchd> Vysty, unity es no bueno
[08:53] <glitchd> blueking, nope
[08:53] <Vysty> So... question back out to everyone else: I appear to be getting a blue screen of death with Unity--it's spawning itself over and over again until it kills itself. Can anyone help me through this?
[08:53] <blueking> how to stop PM ?
[08:54] <blueking> ignore doesn't budge it
[08:54] <glitchd> Vysty, sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback
[08:54] <glitchd> Vysty, or sudo apt-get install gnome-panel
[08:54] <Vysty> glitchd: I would like to use Unity if I can.
[08:54] <kLOs> blueking: /umode +r
[08:55] <kLOs> blueking: /umode +R
[08:55] <glitchd> ok
[08:55] <blueking> this /mode +R ?
[08:55] <kLOs> umode
[08:55] <blueking> umode unknown command
[08:56] <glitchd> Vysty, after you install those we can boot in and try to reinstlal unity
[08:56] <kLOs> ok then maybe mode
[08:56] <kLOs> :)
[08:56] <Vysty> What's the difference between Gnome2 and 3?
[08:56] <glitchd> different versions
[08:56] <glitchd> gnome 3 is newer
[08:56] <kLOs> InstallingUbuntu: sure it's not a ahrdware issue?
[08:57] <l9> theres is a pm spam bot net on the loose /mode nick +R too only registered user too pm you
[08:57] <ducasse> Vysty: it could also be a driver issue that causes this, which gpu do you have?
[08:57] <InstallingUbuntu> who knows
[08:57] <Vysty> Don't know. How do I find out?
[08:57] <InstallingUbuntu> It almost worked last time
[08:57] <InstallingUbuntu> seems to almost be working
[08:58] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, any erros now?
[08:58] <InstallingUbuntu> not yet
[08:58] <glitchd> Vysty, lspci | grep vga
[08:58] <ducasse> Vysty: 'lspci', see what VGA compatible controller says
[08:58] <glitchd> Vysty, lspci | grep VGA
[08:59] <Vysty> Intel Corp Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core PRocessor
[08:59] <glitchd> Vysty, was there another one under that one?
[08:59] <Vysty> My audio device.
[09:00] <glitchd> Vysty, pm me the entire output of lspci
[09:00] <Vysty> Can't. I'm on my laptop while I figure this crap out on my desktop.
[09:00] <glitchd> Vysty, thats fine
[09:00] <Vysty> I can termbin it if you remind me how to use the command.
[09:00] <glitchd> lol i dont know how to use it
[09:01] <glitchd> just right click my name and open dialog window and paste the output to me
[09:02] <Vysty> I can't paste the output.
 | nc termbin.com 9999   # netcat
[09:02] <Netek>  /j ##nginx
[09:02] <Vysty> It's on a different computer.
[09:02] <kLOs> ls -la | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:02] <Netek> bleh
[09:02] <Vysty> MonkeyDust: Thank you.
[09:02] <Vysty> glitchd: http://termbin.com/ua21
[09:02] <kLOs> didnt know termbin. thats awesome
[09:03] <glitchd> Vysty, oh you were very right about the video card
[09:04] <Vysty> Installing Gnome-Shell... do I want gdm3 or lightdm as my display manager?
[09:04] <glitchd> sry i didnt comprehend you were on a sperate laptop
[09:04] <glitchd> lightdm
[09:04] <Vysty> What's the difference?
[09:04] <glitchd> not really sure, but i use lightdm, its like the default i think
[09:05] <Vysty> I selected it.
[09:05] <Vysty> lightdm, that is
[09:06] <MonkeyDust> Vysty  FYI http://askubuntu.com/questions/58528/whats-the-difference-between-gdm-and-lightdm#58549
[09:06] <Vysty> MonkeyDust: Thankya sir.
[09:07] <Vysty> How do I exit a console?
[09:07] <MonkeyDust> Vysty  ctrl-d
[09:07] <glitchd> MonkeyDust, thx!
[09:07] <Vysty> MonkeyDust: How do I go back to the login screen from a console?
[09:08] <glitchd> killall lightdm
[09:08] <glitchd> sudo*
[09:09] <ducasse> Vysty: ctrl+alt+f7
[09:10] <glitchd> why did i say killall lightdm...
[09:10] <MonkeyDust> or ctrl-alt arrow left, if you're in TTY1
[09:10] <Vysty> Woa. This new Gnome is weird as hell.
[09:10] <glitchd> MonkeyDust, i just tried that, it did not work..
[09:11] <MonkeyDust> alt-arrow left, rather
[09:11] <glitchd> MonkeyDust, that did work=)
[09:11] <glitchd> MonkeyDust, didnt knwo that one, thx
[09:11] <Vysty> Any way to get older versions of Gnome up and working?
[09:12] <glitchd> Vysty, why?
[09:12] <Vysty> Wondering if I'm going to get used to this new Gnome.
[09:12] <glitchd> i think to get used to it you have to use it for more than 15 minutes..
[09:13] <MonkeyDust> yes, getting used to something is a matter of time
[09:14] <karelyn> alguien habla español?
[09:15] <MonkeyDust> !es
[09:21] <ducasse> Vysty: you could try mate, it's essentially gnome 2. although i'm sure someone here will know how to fix unity.
[09:25] <InstallingUbuntu> ok
[09:26] <InstallingUbuntu> Install GRUB bootloader on a hard disk
[09:26] <InstallingUbuntu> yes/no
[09:26] <glitchd> holy god..
[09:26] <glitchd> yes.
[09:26] <InstallingUbuntu> k
[09:27] <InstallingUbuntu> Finishing the installation
[09:27] <InstallingUbuntu> Installation complete
[09:28] <l9> now the really hard part comes
[09:28] <l9> installing software
[09:28] <InstallingUbuntu> holy mother of god please work
[09:29] <chovy_> how would i install ubuntu on a laptop with no ports?
[09:29] <InstallingUbuntu> black screen...
[09:29] <l9> InstallingUbuntu: then you did something wrong start over
[09:29] <l9> chovy_: ??? what do you mean
[09:29] <InstallingUbuntu> god please let my suffering end
[09:30] <l9> InstallingUbuntu: if you cant handle a simple install of Ubuntu please consider this can you actually use Ubuntu?
[09:31] <l9> and installing it should be a breeze
[09:31] <chovy_> no need to be rude
[09:31] <InstallingUbuntu> have you been here the past 3 hours?
[09:31] <InstallingUbuntu> The hardware is old
[09:31] <InstallingUbuntu> the graphics are nonexistant
[09:31] <InstallingUbuntu> newer versions of ubuntu are just not compatible
[09:31] <InstallingUbuntu> its the most complicated trial-and-error process possible
[09:33] <InstallingUbuntu> I boot up and it goes to grub
[09:33] <InstallingUbuntu> but it seems like its frozen
[09:35] <glitchd> just keep waiting
[09:35] <glitchd> chovy_, who was rude to you?
[09:36] <InstallingUbuntu> I can't boot into Ubuntu w/o hitting enter
[09:36] <InstallingUbuntu> and its not responding to the keyboard
[09:36] <glitchd> uhh...what?
[09:36] <InstallingUbuntu> I already tried switching ports
[09:36] <InstallingUbuntu> Its at the grub select screen
[09:36] <glitchd> did u select the correct keyboard layout?
[09:36] <InstallingUbuntu> yes
[09:37] <glitchd> are u sure?
[09:37] <InstallingUbuntu> it was working before
[09:37] <InstallingUbuntu> YES
[09:37] <glitchd> then completely power down the pc and try again
[09:37] <InstallingUbuntu> what do
[09:37] <InstallingUbuntu> did that
[09:38] <ducasse> InstallingUbuntu: is this a desktop?
[09:38] <InstallingUbuntu> yes
[09:38] <ducasse> InstallingUbuntu: make sure 'legacy support for usb' is enabled in the bios
[09:38] <jack> test
[09:38] <jack> it worked
[09:39] <InstallingUbuntu> just enabled it
[09:39] <InstallingUbuntu> it worked
[09:39] <InstallingUbuntu> you glorious person
[09:39] <InstallingUbuntu> thank you
[09:39] <ducasse> :)
[09:39] <InstallingUbuntu> im so frigging tired
[09:40] <glitchd> i bet
[09:40] <glitchd> youve had quite the "nixventure" today
[09:40] <InstallingUbuntu> yep
[09:40] <InstallingUbuntu> Not sure if its loading
[09:40] <glitchd> i hope it works out well when your wife gets it back
[09:41] <InstallingUbuntu> at this point if I dont get a desktop I'm done
[09:41] <InstallingUbuntu> and guess what
[09:41] <glitchd> desktop
[09:41] <InstallingUbuntu> screens still black
[09:41] <ducasse> !nomodeset
[09:41] <InstallingUbuntu> lets try
[09:42] <InstallingUbuntu> im at grub
[09:42] <glitchd> it relatively to edit grub and add nomodeset
[09:42] <glitchd> press e
[09:42] <InstallingUbuntu> ok
[09:42] <fun> Which apps to see movies from phone
[09:42] <InstallingUbuntu> stuff is here
[09:43] <InstallingUbuntu> setparams 'Ubuntu, with Linux'...
[09:43] <glitchd> press e on the line that boots your os
[09:43] <InstallingUbuntu> I did
[09:43] <InstallingUbuntu> now theres code
[09:43] <InstallingUbuntu> or sometihn
[09:44] <glitchd> now find GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=
[09:44] <InstallingUbuntu> I dont see it
[09:44] <ducasse> the line starts with the word linux
[09:46] <InstallingUbuntu> linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-32generic root=UUID= ...
[09:46] <InstallingUbuntu> there's no GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=
[09:47] <InstallingUbuntu> what do
[09:47] <ducasse> InstallingUbuntu: ignore the GRUB... stuff, just add the word nomodeset to the end of that line
[09:48] <InstallingUbuntu> the end looks like: quiet splash $vt_handoff nomodset
[09:49] <InstallingUbuntu> I added nomodset
[09:49] <glitchd> yep
[09:49] <InstallingUbuntu> ok
[09:49] <akik> nomodeset
[09:49] <InstallingUbuntu> F10 to boot?
[09:49] <ducasse> InstallingUbuntu: ok, then press f10 to boot
[09:49] <akik> you're missing one e
[09:49] <InstallingUbuntu> e?
[09:49] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, nomodeset
[09:49] <InstallingUbuntu> modeset
[09:49] <glitchd> not nomodset
[09:49] <InstallingUbuntu> got it
[09:50] <InstallingUbuntu> hit f10
[09:50] <glitchd> and pray.
[09:50] <InstallingUbuntu> yes
[09:50] <Jonii> Hey, if I have window hidden somehow, is there a trick to make it visible again?
[09:50] <InstallingUbuntu> I got a splash screen
[09:50] <InstallingUbuntu> Ubuntu 12.04
[09:50] <Jonii> Like, Unity launcher shows window exists, but clicking launcher icon does nothing. It's outside my both screens
[09:50] <MonkeyDust> Jonii  alt-tab, or alt-esc
[09:50] <glitchd> Jonii, hidden?
[09:51] <Jonii> Yeah, like, it's probably outside both my screens
[09:51] <InstallingUbuntu> I think its stuck
[09:51] <Jonii> Or it's just not showing up
[09:52] <InstallingUbuntu> how long should I wait before we guess that its frozen?
[09:52] <Jonii> I can still interact with the window but can't really see it... With terminal windows, clicking F11 maximizes it, so you can use that to get it back
[09:52] <Jonii> But some other windows can't really figure out how to get them back to me :p
[09:53] <glitchd> Jonii, cant you just close it and reopen it? it should spawn in the middle of your screen then
[09:53] <Jonii> glitchd:
[09:54] <Jonii> yes. But sometimes the lost windows have unsaved stuff so I don't want to close them
[09:54] <Jonii> So I'd want a way to get these lost windows back in case this happens when I can't afford to restart things
[09:55] <glitchd> Jonii, well i know that holding alt and clicking on the window lets you drag it, maybe that could help
[09:56] <glitchd> Jonii, or maybe set a shortcut to cascade the windows
[09:56] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, anything yet?..
[09:56] <Jonii> that sounds something that could help
[09:57] <ducasse> InstallingUbuntu: no response yet?
[09:57] <InstallingUbuntu> froze
[09:58] <ducasse> InstallingUbuntu: what was on screen?
[09:58] <InstallingUbuntu> tried restarting and adding nomodeset before the $
[09:58] <InstallingUbuntu> Ubuntu 12.04 splash screen
[09:58] <InstallingUbuntu> frozen
[09:58] <InstallingUbuntu> kind of like right now
[09:58] <glitchd> before?
[09:58] <InstallingUbuntu> before and now
[09:59] <ducasse> InstallingUbuntu: you can try removing 'quiet splash' when you add nomodeset, that will give you boot messages so you can see what happens
[09:59] <glitchd> no, i mean you put nomodeset before the $ sign?
[09:59] <InstallingUbuntu> before it was after $vt_handoff
[09:59] <InstallingUbuntu> now I tried before
[10:00] <InstallingUbuntu> I'll try removing quiet splash
[10:00] <ducasse> also add nomodeset
[10:00] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, read this http://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-do-i-set-nomodeset-after-ive-already-installed-ubuntu
[10:00] <InstallingUbuntu> ok
[10:00] <glitchd> Jonii, anything?
[10:01] <Jonii> It's... Well, it's working poorly. But it's working
[10:01] <InstallingUbuntu> Starting to load fallback graphics devices [fail]
[10:02] <glitchd> well that better than not working, i suppose
[10:02] <InstallingUbuntu> everything else shows [OK]
[10:02] <glitchd> Jonii, how are windows being positioned of screen?
[10:02] <glitchd> off screen*
[10:03] <Jonii> glitchd: not really sure
[10:03] <glitchd> Jonii, did this just suddenly start to happen?
[10:03] <Jonii> I tweaked monitor settings so I had multiple windows disappear as a result of that
[10:04] <Jonii> But it's intermittent thing that keeps happening every now and then in my experience
[10:04] <InstallingUbuntu> What do I do from here
[10:04] <glitchd> Jonii, reset the display config then
[10:04] <ducasse> InstallingUbuntu: nothing more happened? did it stop after some message?
[10:04] <InstallingUbuntu> yeah
[10:05] <glitchd> installing find the drivers section and see if you can install a working driver i guess
[10:05] <InstallingUbuntu> Starting load fallback graphics devices [fail]
[10:05] <glitchd> im guessing he got to the desktop?
[10:05] <InstallingUbuntu> No
[10:05] <glitchd> dear lord..
[10:05] <InstallingUbuntu> How do I get to the drivers section
[10:05] <InstallingUbuntu> I cant even get to the desktop
[10:05] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, i said that thinking you had gotten to the desktop finally
[10:05] <ducasse> InstallingUbuntu: seriously, get some sleep. my best suggestions now will take some time.
[10:05] <szafa> get windows
[10:05] <szafa> xDDD
[10:06] <InstallingUbuntu> szafa my longest boi ever
[10:06] <glitchd> szafa, no funny, kinda rude actually
[10:06] <szafa> sry guys
[10:06] <InstallingUbuntu> I'll be back tomorrow
[10:06] <InstallingUbuntu> maybe
[10:06] <glitchd> hope you survive
[10:07] <glitchd> say it was a glitch in an update and it borked the system=)
[10:08]  * glitchd evil smile
[10:13] <mike__> to whom can I speak if I can't connect to Ubuntu forums?
[10:16] <wyseguy> can someone help with desktop crashing after enabling intel-multicode driver?
[10:16] <jatt> mike__: can you access this: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2230004
[10:17] <jatt> mike__: or email ubuntu-forums-council@lists.ubuntu.com
[10:17] <mike__> jatt: yes, I just can't log in
[10:22] <ducasse> mike__: there should be a contacts page on the forums
[10:33] <Guest86497> Hi, I just installed Handrake as snap package, but can't get access to my DVD drive, anyone has the solution???
[10:34] <pseudonymous> Guest86497: No. But it sounds like a permissions problem. Oftentimes regular users can't access hardware peripherals.  Also, why dont you just install handbrake via the regular software repos ?
[10:35] <Guest86497> Because I have issue with mp4 format, can select it, only mkv
[10:36] <bazhang> Guest86497, have you asked in #snappy yet
[10:36] <bazhang> !info handbrake
[10:37] <pseudonymous> Guest86497: I'm not an ubuntu expert, so take this as conjecture. BUT, sounds like you just haven't gotten the relevant packages for mp4 encoding installed ? Most package systems have hard requirements (which are pulled in when a package is installed) and recommended lists of packages not needed but which would enhance the experience
[10:37] <Guest86497> thx @ubottu
[10:48] <Lodiz> anyone using xorg 1.19?
[10:50] <ikonia> does it ship with ubuntu by default ?
[10:50] <craiggirl> World Defeated The Wrong Enemy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm34sj65MkA QUOTE: "Hitler went from being the devil to me, to my fucking hero, in less than a year. His speech in the beginning moves me to tears, and I now know why he was so loved."
[10:51] <MrCucumber> HEY GEEKS!
[10:51] <ikonia> worst intro ever
[10:51] <ikonia> normal people will say "hello"
[10:51] <MrCucumber> well *fellow* geeks
[10:51] <MrCucumber> well im a little abnormal then!
[10:51] <ikonia> it's not a badge of honour
[10:51] <wyseguy> can someone help with desktop crashing after enabling intel-multicode driver?
[10:51] <ikonia> just say "hello"
[10:51] <ikonia> there is no need for anything else
[10:51] <pseudonymous> ikonia: I think the whole Hitler was loved thing was a worse intro, but maybe that's just me :P
[10:51] <ikonia> pseudonymous: and they are gone
[11:22] <tosate> Hi there my launcher shows no icons anymore. The command 'unity  --reset-icons' is not working. Any suggestions?
[11:30] <MonkeyDust> tosate  is this useful http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/how-to-reset-unity-launcher-icons-or.html
[11:30] <parapan> hi all; I am running an ubuntu 16.04 LTS server edition on a machine with only 1 HDD (sda); I want to make a full back-up - image of the system and after that an easy restore; what do you recommend ?
[11:31] <MonkeyDust> !backup | parapan
[11:32] <thushi> Hell all, I have Nvidia GeForce Gt 540 on my laptop, Drivers are installed... Now in the additional drivers setting, Do I need to select Nvidia as well as the default intel one?
[11:32] <MonkeyDust> parapan  if you have no extra/external drive, and your HDD is large enough, you can make a backup partition
[11:32] <thushi> Or just Nvidia is enough ?
[11:33] <postrecito> *
[11:35] <gwozt> hey people
[11:36] <tosate> MonkeyDust no it's not, unfortunately.
[11:36] <olmari> thushi: well generally you can't select but one at one time... with most recent nvidias and "optimus" systems you can either install bumblebee or just install nvidia binaries and then you can choose in nvidia settings which one to use (not as robust as automatic system in windows but something)
[11:37] <thushi> olmari, I have a list of drivers installed in "Additional Drivers" for Nvidia... So , I am not sure which one to go with.
[11:38] <thushi> olmari, I have NVIDIA binary driver(version 367.57) (proprietarly,tested)
[11:38] <thushi> olmari, NVIDIA legacy binary (V 304.132) (proprietary)
[11:38] <thushi> olmari, NVIDIA binary dirver (Version 340.98) (Proprietary)
[11:39] <thushi> olmari, Using X.Org Xserver - Nouveau display driver (open source)
[11:39] <MonkeyDust> thushi  next time, use a !pastebin
[11:40] <thushi> olmari, What is the link for pastebin?
[11:40] <thushi> MonkeyDust, Sorry, Can you please give me the link for pastebin?
[11:40] <MonkeyDust> thushi  http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[11:40] <thushi> MonkeyDust, I want to send a screen shot also, Is there anything available for that?
[11:41] <clarkk> hi Jordan_U:  are you still around?
[11:41] <MonkeyDust> thushi  imgur.com
[11:41] <olmari> thushi: usually newest and/or tested one, it just gives you options it knows to works with your hardware
[11:42] <thushi> olmari, Ok If i select Nvidia propreitary tested one, then shall i deselect the intel one?
[11:47] <thushi> olmari, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23577608/ I have pasted the list of options available in my system. Can you please look into that once?
[11:47] <thushi> olmari, I am not sure which one to select now :/
[11:49] <Wotac> i tried to install extra fonts but the PPA didn't fully work, now i have packages that are depending on something i don't have instead of ubuntu defaults, how can i change them back? apt-get -f install didn't work
[11:49] <Wotac> "libfontconfig1 : Depends: fontconfig-config (= 2.12.1-0-0ubuntu3-bohoomil-ultimate-ppa20160423) but 2.11.94-0ubuntu2 is installed"
[11:54] <thushi> olmari, Attached the screen shot also http://imgur.com/a/xFuGN
[11:54] <thushi> olmari, If i select the Proprietary,tested one i am getting a blank screen. also I am not able to switch to any other tty
[12:25] <FManTropyx> damned PM spam
[12:27] <bekks> FManTropyx: Identify to services and run "/mode FManTropyx +R" to inhibit queries from unidentified users.
[12:27] <FManTropyx> I got PMs from about 40 random accounts
[12:28] <nubcake> ich versuche gerade ubuntu 15.04 und 16.04 in die default datei vom tftp einzutragen, allerdings scheint das beispiel nicht zur 64bit version zu passen. "kernel /ubuntu15.04-desktop-amd64/amd64/linux" existiert in der verzeichnisstruktur von ubuntu 15.04 desktop amd64 so garnicht.
[12:28] <akik> !de | nubcake
[12:29] <nubcake> oh sorry, wrong channel.. i thought i tabbed to ubuntu-de
[12:29] <Rohit_> how to add wla0
[12:31] <Rohit_> Hello
[12:32] <clarkk> I've struggled for half a day on this. I need to run a script when a user logs out of lightdm on Ubuntu 16.04 shuts, and also when the user shuts down.  This is my attempt so far, but it doesn't work. Can anyone help me, please?  https://gist.github.com/anonymous/22fcfe47249d3f53cc95cce0131645e3
[12:32] <clarkk> * ignore "shuts"
[12:34] <blackflow> clarkk: obvious things first, is the script marked executable?
[12:34] <ikonia> clarkk: what part is not working ?
[12:39] <OerHeks> wild guess, use /full/path/to/testing-logoff-script2
[12:47] <clarkk> blackflow: yes it's executable
[12:47] <clarkk> ikonia: it's not running on log off (or shutdown)
[12:48] <clarkk> OerHeks: ok, I'll try that. I need to log off / restart. I'll be back in 10 mins
[12:53] <pidof> anyone help me
[12:53] <pidof> how to install ms office in ubuntu ?
[13:00] <Wulf> Hello.
[13:01] <TheNavigat> I have a problem with my Skylalke Intel graphics, identical to this http://askubuntu.com/questions/761312/ubuntu-16-04-skylake-not-able-to-shutdown-and-restart
[13:01] <TheNavigat> s/Skylalke/Skylake
[13:01] <ViRuS007> hello
[13:02] <TheNavigat> Apparently using nVidia fixes the problem but that consumes too much battery too fast
[13:02] <Wulf> I installed a kernel package manually (apt-get install ...) and now set it to automatically installed with apt-mark auto. Why does apt-get autormove not see it?
[13:02] <TheNavigat> Can anyone please help me with a fix for the Intel graphics problem, apart from just switching to nVidia?
[13:03] <bekks> Wulf: are you currently using that kernel?
[13:03] <Wulf> bekks: no
[13:03] <boddy> hello
[13:03] <bekks> Wulf: So why dont you just uninstall it then?
[13:03] <Wulf> bekks: I want to understand why it's not working
[13:04] <boddy> can i please ask for help i would like to patch a file in linux but ican't any of the online tutorials i found
[13:04] <bekks> boddy: why file do you want to patch, and why?
[13:05] <TheNavigat> Does anyone know what's the name of the package responsible for the Intel Graphics, for example? Maybe I can try installing the latest thing
[13:08] <ViRuS007> what is best lib for crypt ruby source code ?
[13:08] <ikonia> best is an impossible statement
[13:08] <ikonia> I'd suggest talking to the ruby developers and explaining your requirements to them
[13:09] <ViRuS007> thanks :)
[13:11] <TheNavigat> Should I ask again or something? :/
[13:11] <TheNavigat> Or provide more details?
[13:13] <gwozt> hey guys i downloaded the latest disc image
[13:14] <blackflow> TheNavigat: there's nothing to install, the intel graphics driver is part of the kernel.
[13:14] <gwozt> and i was wondering how can i burn it to a usb
[13:14] <MonkeyDust> gwozt  of what?
[13:14] <ikonia> !install | gwozt
[13:14] <bekks> gwozt: you dont burn anything to USB, except you want to destroy your USB with fire.
[13:14] <gwozt> well, the problem is not that actually
[13:15] <ikonia> then what is the problem
[13:15] <ikonia> you asked "how do I burn" then got told the answer now you say "thats not the problem"
[13:15] <gwozt> ive been trying to install arch then i was screwed then i thought ok then lets install ubuntu since it is easier
[13:15] <gwozt> then i erased the disc
[13:15] <ikonia> gwozt: why don't you tell us the actual problem
[13:16] <TheNavigat> blackflow: So xserver-xorg-video-intel is irrelevant?
[13:16] <TheNavigat> Should I try a newer kernel?
[13:16] <ikonia> why ?
[13:16] <ikonia> why are you talking about changing kernels ???
[13:16] <TheNavigat> ikonia: I have a problem with my Intel Graphics
[13:16] <ikonia> ok - so focus on that
[13:16] <ikonia> not random changes
[13:16] <TheNavigat> Skylake fails to shutdown, sleep, or logout
[13:17] <gwozt> then i started doing all these weirdass stuff to get my usb working cuz it couldn't be seen by the laptop
[13:17] <TheNavigat> And there's no fix whatsoever available anywhere
[13:17] <clarkk> blackflow: ikonia OerHeks - it didn't work. I've simplified the code slightly  https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e1a9a7d0a61409073831c7c728d04b98
[13:17] <ikonia> TheNavigat: ok, so why would you change kernels
[13:17] <bekks> TheNavigat: I dont think thats a skylake issue.
[13:17] <TheNavigat> ikonia: Because the new kernels /might/ have a fixx
[13:17] <gwozt> ikonia,  just one question actually can i install ubuntu using startup disc?
[13:17] <ikonia> TheNavigat: so may standing on your head
[13:17] <TheNavigat> bekks: What do you think, then? It seems to happen only for Skylake Graphics
[13:17] <ikonia> TheNavigat: you don't just swap random things out, more so when it's likley to make your machine unsuported
[13:18] <blackflow> TheNavigat: that package does not contain the actual driver, but Xorg's modules for the driver
[13:18] <TheNavigat> ikonia: Not really, and it's not random. Please hear me out
[13:18] <ikonia> gwozt: "startup disc" ??
[13:18] <ikonia> TheNavigat: it is random
[13:18] <bekks> TheNavigat: So you changed graphics adapter in your some other Intel chipset, and tested it?
[13:18] <gwozt> i used startup disc creator
[13:18] <gwozt> to burn the iso to usb
[13:18] <ikonia> gwozt: read the link ubottu gave you and it gives you all the options and walks them through with you
[13:18] <TheNavigat> bekks: I use the exact same OS on another computer with a different Intel Graphics version and it works
[13:19] <TheNavigat> And the only case where this occurs is if people use Skylake
[13:19] <bekks> TheNavigat: and a totally different chipset, etc.
[13:19] <MonkeyDust> gwozt  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[13:19] <TheNavigat> bekks: Well, the only common thing between me and the guy who posted the thing on Ask Ubuntu is the graphics
[13:19] <TheNavigat> I'm using a different laptop
[13:19] <TheNavigat> A different brand, in fact
[13:19] <TheNavigat> and I have the exact same problem
[13:19] <TheNavigat> The only common thing is the Skylake Graphics
[13:20] <clarkk> I need to run a script when a user logs out of lightdm on Ubuntu 16.04, and also when the user shuts down.  This is my attempt so far, but it doesn't run. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e1a9a7d0a61409073831c7c728d04b98
[13:21] <TheNavigat> ikonia: Okay, hear me out, please. Doesn't the kernel contain the intel graphics drivers?
[13:21] <TheNavigat> My thought was to basically update the drivers
[13:21] <TheNavigat> That's all :)
[13:21] <ikonia> TheNavigat: it contaings part of it
[13:22] <TheNavigat> Well, and then I should update xserver-xorg-video-intel, correct?
[13:22] <ikonia> TheNavigat: the display services is made up of various things as is the power managment
[13:22] <ikonia> TheNavigat: what component is the fault with ?
[13:22] <TheNavigat> The graphics driver
[13:22] <ikonia> TheNavigat: are %100 sure
[13:22] <TheNavigat> ikonia: Pretty much, yes
[13:22] <TheNavigat> Switching to nVidia fixes everything
[13:22] <bekks> TheNavigat: So you have an error message stating that?
[13:23] <blackflow> TheNavigat: the intel driver is part of the kernel, there's nothing do update/upgrade separately. There is, however, the "intel-microcode" package that might in theory fix such a bug in an updated version.
[13:23] <ikonia> TheNavigat: how did you work that out ?
[13:23] <ioria> clarkk, on 14.04 i sue this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM#Adding_System_Hooks
[13:23] <ioria> *use
[13:23] <TheNavigat> bekks: Unfortunately Ubuntu crashes before it gets a chance to print anything useful to the log, as far as I can understand. I might have missed something, too
[13:23] <blackflow> TheNavigat: to be precise, it doesn't "fix" anything, it just removes the cause of the problem by using different hardware :)
[13:24] <TheNavigat> blackflow: I'm confused. I have no idea what to do TBH. I just want to fix this...
[13:24] <TheNavigat> Yes, this is crappy because I don't have definitive log
[13:24] <TheNavigat> logs*
[13:24] <TheNavigat> I don't even know which package is causing the problem
[13:24] <TheNavigat> What I do know is that Ubuntu 16.04 worked before the updates, and that *some* package broke everything when I updated it
[13:24] <TheNavigat> Which one? I have absolutely no idea
[13:24] <ikonia> TheNavigat: so you've gone from being certain - to "don't know" in the space of 90 seconds
[13:24] <bekks> TheNavigat: So having no clue and no logs - why are you sure its the graphics driver's fault?
[13:25] <ikonia> TheNavigat: I suggest stopping what you're doing, and working with someone who can help you debug to actually debug it to the right component
[13:25] <ikonia> rather than just swapping random things out
[13:25] <blackflow> TheNavigat: personally, I don't think there's a fix except to patiently wait until one of the updates to the kernel and/or microcode fixes it. Note that skylake is very much new. Bugs will be aplenty. I've had issues with intel even on "older" models like broadwell, on 16.04, random freezes. Using nvidia instead.
[13:25] <TheNavigat> ikonia: Can you please give me a break? It's not like I'm destroying the world. I'm just asking for help
[13:25] <ikonia> TheNavigat: and I'm advising you
[13:26] <TheNavigat> ikonia: I'm aware, I'm a FOSS dev and I know what you're talking about
[13:26] <ikonia> TheNavigat: if you want I can let you blindly get on with breaking your system
[13:26] <ikonia> TheNavigat: nonsense
[13:26] <TheNavigat> But it's not like I have anything to deal with
[13:26] <TheNavigat> FFS...
[13:26] <ikonia> TheNavigat: if you knew what you where talking about you wouldn't be blindly swapping out packages
[13:26] <ikonia> and getting upset when people guide you
[13:26] <OerHeks> "<TheNavigat> Apparently using nVidia fixes the problem but that consumes too much battery too fast"
[13:27] <TheNavigat> blackflow: I guess... Thanks for the help :)
[13:27] <blackflow> ikonia: if you google for the log entry TheNavigat posted, you'd find out it's a problem with the intel driver
[13:27] <OerHeks> that makes me wonder, there is a switch in your systemsettings
[13:27] <TheNavigat> OerHeks: I'm not following
[13:27] <ikonia> blackflow: I've seen a reference to it, I also see a reference to the APM for certain makes using that chipset
[13:28] <TheNavigat> ikonia: I really know what you're talking about and I'm aware of how messed up this might seem to someone who's more experienced in Linux and such than I am, but I'm not hiding anything. If I could possibly obtain any logs, I would've used them
[13:28] <ikonia> TheNavigat: I don't think you're hiding anything at all
[13:28] <clarkk> ioria: that's what I'm using, isn't it?
[13:28] <TheNavigat> Either I'm not knowledgeable enough to obtain such logs, or they're hidden too well
[13:29] <TheNavigat> I built my hypothesis based on others reporting the exact same problem produced on different laptops with different chipsets and different structure
[13:29] <TheNavigat> With the only common thing being the Skylake graphics
[13:29] <TheNavigat> So yes, if you please, I kind of know what I
[13:29] <TheNavigat> what I'm doing *
[13:29] <bekks> And the same broken APM. :P
[13:29] <TheNavigat> At least relative to others having the same problem
[13:30] <TheNavigat> I'm not mad but it doesn't feel nice when instead of getting actual advice one would just keep being raided with personal attacks and stuff like "You don't even know what you're doing"
[13:30] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:31] <TheNavigat> There's a hundred ways to phrase "nonsense" without being rude, you know :)
[13:31] <OerHeks> TheNavigat,  you didn't install the nvidia drivers?
[13:31] <TheNavigat> OverHeks: I did, yep
[13:31] <TheNavigat> I have nVidia settings here, that's how I switch
[13:31] <TheNavigat> And that's the only way it works
[13:31] <TheNavigat> One thing though is, it worked earlier
[13:31] <OerHeks> TheNavigat, then you would have an app in systemsettings, prime?
[13:31] <TheNavigat> I just did an upgrade and everything broke
[13:31] <TheNavigat> OverHeks: ope
[13:31] <TheNavigat> Nope *
[13:32] <TheNavigat> There's the NVIDIA X Server Settings, though
[13:32] <TheNavigat> Prime isn't in System Settings, nope
[13:33] <TheNavigat> blackflow: Is there anything on Ubuntu's bug tracking platform I can follow?
[13:33] <OerHeks> TheNavigat, correct, something like this http://i.stack.imgur.com/YZRF0.png
[13:33] <TheNavigat> I forgot its name, unfortunately :(
[13:33] <TheNavigat> I'd like to be able to follow the problem and progress on it
[13:33] <TheNavigat> OverHeks: Yep, I have that :D
[13:39] <Fare> Hi. Can someone with a working cryptroot setup tell me what they what in /etc/initramfs-tools/ ? I can't get it to include /sbin/cryptsetup in the initramfs
[13:58] <vlt> Fare: Two options. Prepend every update-initramfs command with CRYPTSETUP=y or put a valid line to /etc/crypttab.
[13:59] <vlt> Fare: It used to work without that in older versions but both Ubuntu and Debian seem to need that now.
[14:03] <jerald> Anyone know if it's possible to get virtualbox working with secure boot?
[14:03] <jerald> I'm on xubuntu btw
[14:23] <matias> hi, I'm new :)
[14:25] <mag009> wc/
[14:25] <mag009> wc/
[14:27] <clarkk> I need to run a script when a user logs out of lightdm on Ubuntu 16.04, and also when the user shuts down.  This is my attempt so far, but it doesn't run. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e1a9a7d0a61409073831c7c728d04b98   Can anyone help, please?
[14:30] <MonkeyDust> clarkk  if you don't get an answer here, try and ask in #bash
[14:31] <xan> hi, have problem to install nvidia driver
[14:31] <xan> need help
[14:31] <xan> my desktop has only nvidia video card
[14:32] <xan> using open works
[14:32] <xan> but when i install closed doesent boot
[14:32] <xan> freeze before start GDM
[14:33] <avenger_q> xan: my cock is so frekin hard for terminal!
[14:33] <avenger_q> xan: my cock is so frekin hard for terminal!
[14:34] <BluesKaj> avenger_q, stop that
[14:34] <avenger_q> Blueskaj: why?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> this is a family chat
[14:35] <avenger_q> every time i run sudo-apt-get hard cock it returns an error
[14:36] <BluesKaj> !ops
[14:36] <tutux[m]> try aptitude
[14:36] <BluesKaj> or attitiude
[14:36] <avenger_q> aptitude for my penis is bad
[14:36] <BluesKaj> friggin 13 yr old minds
[14:37] <tutux[m]> aptitude -f install
[14:37] <BluesKaj> thanks, DJones
[14:37] <DJones> BluesKaj: no probs
[14:41] <sruli1> i need some help with lsof, i am trying to test what is the right command to see which process is busy with a mount, i am copying a large file to the mount, when i try to unmount i get the device busy error, but "lsof +D /path/to/mount" returns empty, what paramaters do i need in the lsof command to get the result?
[14:44] <clarkk> MonkeyDust: thanks, but why do you believe it's a bash issue?
[14:47] <MonkeyDust> clarkk  because of this line and i assumed it's a bash syntax issue ... "#!/bin/bash"
[14:48] <clarkk> ok, thanks MonkeyDust. I've posted there, but I'm hoping someone here will have some more ideas
[14:50] <clarkk> restarting. Be back in 10 mins
[14:58] <linux_user> How do I request that an Ubuntu package be updated in the repo?
[15:00] <Joel12345> What can I do against squeezed packets (softnet ~ 6200 events/s)
[15:00] <zykotick9> linux_user: file a wishlist bug...  check was debian unstable is using...  what package is it?
[15:00] <OerHeks> linux_user, depends what, high impact bug, or just a new feature .. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#When
[15:01] <MonkeyDust> launchpad comes to my mind
[15:01] <zykotick9> s/check was/check what/
[15:11] <emr> Hello how can i install ubuntu server on hp proliant ml110 gen9 server?
[15:11] <EriC^^> !install | emr
[15:12] <emr> EriC^^, actually i perfectly installed but its not booting
[15:12] <MonkeyDust> emr  start from the beginning, what brings you here
[15:12] <EriC^^> emr: what happens when you boot it
[15:13] <emr> there is ilo thing on hp server
[15:13] <MonkeyDust> emr  'ilo thing'?
[15:13] <EriC^^> ilo?
[15:14] <emr> iLO4 which i dont familiar with also raid configuration
[15:14] <emr> however i dont want to use this features simply i want to install ubuntu server and
[15:15] <emr> boot it thats all
[15:16] <MonkeyDust> ILO is Integrated Lights Out, is what I read here
[15:17] <anouar_ben_othma> hello
[15:25] <linux_user> the package is ansible and they are adding features and fixing bugs like crazy
[15:25] <linux_user> there are a number of bugs fixed between 2.0.0.2 and 2.2.0.0_1
[15:26] <linux_user> is there a faq on filling a wishlist bug?
[15:27] <linux_user> I do not run Debian I run Ubuntu so I have made no checks of Debian
[15:27] <OerHeks> ansible advises their ppa http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/intro_installation.html#latest-releases-via-apt-ubuntu , xenial and yakety is @ 2.2.0.0-1ppa~yakkety
[15:27] <MonkeyDust> linux_user  start here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu/Wishlist
[15:28] <OerHeks> even trusty & precise .. https://launchpad.net/~ansible/+archive/ubuntu/ansible
[15:29] <binBlob> Some packages have the suffix dfsg1, what does it mean?
[15:29] <linux_user> MonkeyDust: is there some way to add my request to that page you are saying? I see no such capability to do so
[15:30] <OerHeks> Debian Free Software Guidelines
[15:31] <binBlob> OerHeks: thanks
[15:32] <linux_user> MonkeyDust: ok, logging in first
[15:42] <juanete> Hi there... still trying to get how to know where the spam in a server is. Does anyone can help how to know or identify in the queue where the spam is coming from? Which domain? thanks
[15:43] <Joel12345> What can I do against squeezed packets (softnet ~ 6200 events/s)
[15:44] <linux_user> OerHeks: those instructions do not work! I followed what ansible website says and I got no upgrade
[15:44] <linux_user> still with 2.0.0.2
[15:45] <MonkeyDust> !info ansible
[15:45] <linux_user> $ sudo apt-get install software-properties-common
[15:45] <linux_user> $ sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ansible/ansible
[15:45] <linux_user> $ sudo apt-get update
[15:45] <linux_user> $ sudo apt-get install ansible
[15:45] <linux_user> got the same version I have now
[15:45] <linux_user> broken!
[15:46] <DanielStroeter> Hey guys, I want to shrink a LVM2 partition. I managed to shrink the logical volumes. Now i have a gap between two logical volumes. I want to move the physical extends to the end of the partition, in order to shrink the partition with gparted
[15:46] <linux_user> Oh, that is for 16.10!
[15:46] <DanielStroeter> Do you guys know how to move the free segments to the end of the partition?
[15:46] <linux_user> I am running 16.04
[15:47] <linux_user> I will work on doing the upgrade to 16.10 then
[15:47] <linux_user> I have 16.10 in a VM, let me see what version I have on there
[15:47] <OerHeks> xenial is also on 2.2.0.0-1ppa~xenial
[15:47] <OerHeks> odd
[15:48] <linux_user> I was hoping to get the latest ansible via apt-get on 16.04
[15:49] <SchrodingersScat> !latest | linux_user
[15:50] <RedBone> dread
[15:50] <linux_user> SchrodingersScat: Thanks...I forgot 16.04 is lts and if I go to 16.10 I'll have newer packages, will do that this week. I was meaning too anyway
[15:50] <RedBone> 1908 but no one is alive
[15:51] <linux_user> 2.1.1.0 is on 16.10, you are right!
[15:51] <ekesh> how can i join an irc channel ?
[15:51] <SchrodingersScat> ekesh: /join #nameofchannel
[15:52] <SchrodingersScat> RedBone: +-.5
[15:52] <ekesh> thanks
[15:59] <skinux> If I purge Apache and then reinstall it, will it have out-of-box settings too?
[15:59] <Netek> skinux thats the idea, it removes all aspect of Apache from the machine including configuration files
[16:05] <DanielStroeter> Nevermind, i id the trick with pvmove and moved the oartition next to the other. Thereby the free pe emerged at the end.
[16:05] <DanielStroeter> Have a nice day!
[16:12] <Howser> how do you get to group chat?
[16:13] <ViciousLooRoll> best cheap 2-in-1 laptop for ubuntu?
[16:14] <misha1> Hello. Im using lubuntu on a netbook with a few keys broken. How can I remap three keys without using xmodmap
[16:14] <af1> welcome Shentino
[16:14] <af1> dont know misha
[16:14] <af1> :/
[16:15] <OerHeks> misha1, xmodmap would be the tool to do that
[16:15] <OerHeks> so i wonder, why not xmodmap?
[16:15] <skinux> Wow. I just purged and reinstalled Apache, it's still redirecting too many times
[16:18] <MAmine> Hello, Is there a way to use KDE's "input method" instead of the default ubuntu's because it works correctly. the ubuntu's turns off the numlock each time I switch the layout (its a known bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1247668 )
[16:19] <misha1> OerHeks: there has been a bug that causes Xorg run at 100% CPU and make the system unresponsive for 5 minutes if there is a .Xmodmap file is present or a xmodmap loaded.
[16:20] <misha1> tried it already
[16:24] <OerHeks> so you have 'few keys broken' .. what bugreport exactly?
[16:25] <InstallingUbuntu> Hey, I was on yesterday trying to fix my Ubuntu installation. Can anyone help?
[16:27] <juanete> does anydoy knows how to close all instances running for port 25?
[16:27] <juanete> It looks like the server is sending spam
[16:27] <juanete> I've close it and with
[16:27] <juanete> watch 'netstat -na | grep :25'
[16:27] <juanete> Still having problems
[16:30] <vlt> juanete: You could DROP any connection to a port 25 with iptables. Then have a look at what is left ;-)
[16:33] <MAmine> \leave
[16:33] <juanete> vlt: thnks!
[16:41] <dbb> hi all - what process at Canonical decides which python updates are shipped in "required" system updates
[16:41] <dbb> I have a project in Python 2.7x and I do NOT want the environment destabilized with daily security things
[16:42] <dbb> I will write a letter on paper to that effect too
[16:42] <dbb> 16.04
[16:42] <juanete> Does this means that the server is used spamming? https://i.imgur.com/q3iWrGy.png
[16:42] <BluesKaj> dbb, ask in #ubuntu-dev, you'll probly get a quicker answer there
[16:43] <dbb> thx
[16:43] <BluesKaj> dbb, sorry #ubuntu-devel
[16:43] <juanete> this mail fight is hard...
[16:43] <wiggmpk> Does anyone have a solution for Facebook Messenger via Empathy? I have tried adding the haze extension here https://openrepos.net/content/nodevel/facebook-messenger-account without success
[16:44] <juanete> I'm readung hours and hours though internet regarding the spam and I can't find how to know where the spam is getting through inside the domains in the server...
[16:46] <ioria> juanete, maybe this helps http://serverfault.com/questions/23385/huge-amount-of-time-wait-connections-says-netstat
[16:47] <juanete> ioria: checking... thnks
[16:48] <Joel12345> What can I do against squeezed packets (softnet ~ 6200 events/s)
[16:49] <juanete> ioria: the easy question is. In the image I've sent (thnks for taking a look) the IP addresses and then the :25 is the port, correct?
[16:49] <juanete> I mean, all of those instances are 25 port?
[16:49] <ioria> yep
[16:49] <ioria> smtp
[16:49] <juanete> how could this be if I have it close?
[16:49] <ioria> you close 25, when you kill postfix or others
[16:50] <juanete> how is the better way for sending info from forms in wordpress or prestashop using postfix or others? Alll of them uses 25 port?
[16:51] <ioria> postfix will use 25 or the the 465 or 587 (i guess)
[16:52] <ioria> juanete, 465  is the 'ssl version' = secure  of 25
[16:52] <warscar> hi
[16:52] <warscar> I'm new to linux
[16:53] <warscar> what we use xchat for?
[16:53] <InstallingUbuntu> irc chat
[16:53] <szafa> its irc program xD
[16:53] <warscar> irc meaning
[16:53] <warscar> :)
[16:53] <szafa> internet relay chat
[16:53] <warscar> oh okay
[16:54] <Biscuit-> Internet relay chat
[16:54] <warscar> so, we chat about tech here
[16:54] <Biscuit-> What you're on right now
[16:54] <warscar> or like, about linux
[16:54] <Biscuit-> The are many channels
[16:54] <warscar> well, backbox
[16:54] <warscar> 4.6
[16:54] <Biscuit-> There's a Linux channel too
[16:54] <szafa> ##linux
[16:54] <Joel12345> What can I do against squeezed packets (softnet ~ 6200 events/s)
[16:54] <Biscuit-> You could look it up and join it :)
[16:55] <warscar> so right now im on ubuntu server
[16:55] <juanete> ioria: I think I have to stop it and open it again when I'm ready.
[16:55] <juanete> Any easy way to stop postfix temporaly?
[16:56] <warscar> see you guys. Thanks. <3
[16:59] <ioria> juanete,  sudo service postfix stop
[17:01] <InstallingUbuntu> I finally got Ubuntu installed on my old machine, but whenever I try to boot up, I get a black screen. I set the boot option to nomodeset and removed quiet splash, now I'm getting this: "Starting to load fallback graphics devices [fail]"
[17:02] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, what ubuntu ?
[17:02] <InstallingUbuntu> 12.04
[17:03] <InstallingUbuntu> the only one we found compatible with my old machine
[17:03] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, which is ?
[17:03] <InstallingUbuntu> Ubuntu 12.04
[17:04] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, which is your machine ?
[17:04] <InstallingUbuntu> oh
[17:04] <InstallingUbuntu> An old custom pc I bought years ago
[17:04] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, ok, cpu,ram video card ?
[17:05] <InstallingUbuntu> not sure what cpu, 2gb ram, had the page for my video card open a while ago, let me look
[17:05] <juanete> ioria: thnks a lot
[17:06] <ioria> juanete,  no prob
[17:06] <InstallingUbuntu> ASRock P4I65GV - motherboard - micro ATX - Socket 478 - i865GV
[17:06] <InstallingUbuntu> Graphics: Intel Extreme Graphics 2
[17:06] <ioria> amd
[17:07] <ioria> no, sorry
[17:07] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, pentium 4 ?
[17:07] <InstallingUbuntu> yes
[17:07] <juanete> ioria: Having lot's of SMTP instance. https://i.imgur.com/cBVXnAY.png
[17:08] <ioria> juanete,  have you stopped your smtp ?
[17:08] <InstallingUbuntu> back in 1 min
[17:09] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, i'd use lubuntu, for starter
[17:10] <juanete> ioria: I guess so...
[17:10] <juanete> Let me check how to be sure I did
[17:10] <ioria> juanete,  maybe it's ot postfix, but exim, or another
[17:10] <ioria> *not
[17:10] <abhishek> I am new to ubuntu. Why does ubuntu have much older kernel than the current one?
[17:11] <ducasse> !latest | abhishek
[17:11] <MonkeyDust> !newest | abhishek here's why
[17:11] <MonkeyDust> ducasse  was faster
[17:12] <juanete> Look /var/log# telnet localhost 25 Trying 127.0.0.1... Trying ::1... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[17:12] <ioria> juanete,  sudo lsof -i :25
[17:12] <Guest60872> gentleman, i'm upgrading from django 1.5 to 1.6, willing to finaly upgrade with everything tested to 1.10. the first problem i'v encountered was with the manager.py itself. to solve that i'v copied the template manager.py from the django folder. didn't worked the first try, it didn't found settings.py, so i'v changed os.environ.setdefault("DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE", "{{ project_name }}.settings") to os.environ.setdefault("DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE", "settings")
[17:12] <Guest60872> and it started! but it doesn't find my projects modules. all my structure is like import "projectrootfolder"."module"."models, for example. it doesn't find thanks to the first "projectfolder" is not found
[17:13] <Apachez> where in compizconfig do I set the settings for how marking things on the desktop is performed? Like if the rectangle should have a solid color or a dotted line?
[17:13] <DebianTUX> is there a standard way to solve this problem? or will i need to change every import from my application to remove the root project folder import?
[17:13] <DebianTUX> ops, sorry, wrong channel
[17:13] <abhishek> when you backport a kernel. One backports all commits right? Not just the security ones.
[17:13] <juanete> ioria: Look!!! https://i.imgur.com/LC3rIk8.png
[17:13] <juanete> Exim
[17:14] <ioria> juanete,  stop exim, then
[17:15] <InstallingUbuntu> I'm back
[17:16] <InstallingUbuntu> ioria someone told me if ubuntu won't work neither will lubunti
[17:16] <InstallingUbuntu> lubuntu*
[17:16] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  i don't agree
[17:17] <juanete> ioria: weird it looks like exim isn't in my sytem... therefore... why I have that messages in the trace you told me?
[17:17] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, but why 12.04 ? pentium 4 intel graphics and 2 giga are good for 14.04 or even 16.10 ?
[17:18] <InstallingUbuntu> ioria I tried 16.10 but I would always get a black screen or frozen splash screen
[17:18] <InstallingUbuntu> I've made some progress with 12.04
[17:19] <ioria> juanete,  exim is running  , i guess, otherwise the output of the cmd whould have been blank
[17:19] <EriC^^> InstallingUbuntu: did you try nomodeset?
[17:19] <InstallingUbuntu> yes
[17:19] <InstallingUbuntu> I'm on it right now
[17:19] <EriC^^> wait you get a screen with the live usb?
[17:19] <EriC^^> "try ubuntu"
[17:19] <EriC^^> oh
[17:19] <InstallingUbuntu> I already installed Ubuntu
[17:19] <InstallingUbuntu> completely
[17:19] <InstallingUbuntu> from live usb
[17:19] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  are you in  console  ?
[17:19] <EriC^^> yeah i mean it works in the live one right?
[17:20] <InstallingUbuntu> ioria I can get to the recovery console
[17:20] <EriC^^> InstallingUbuntu: install the drivers it was using in the live usb, i think that'd work
[17:20] <EriC^^> InstallingUbuntu: which vga?
[17:20] <EriC^^> lspci -k | grep -A2 VGA
[17:20] <InstallingUbuntu> Intel Extreme Graphics 2
[17:20] <InstallingUbuntu> oh
[17:20] <InstallingUbuntu> 1 sec
[17:21] <InstallingUbuntu> Starting to load fallback graphics devices [fail] <this is the error I get after I removed quiet splash, by the way
[17:22] <ioria> on recovery, you'll get false positives :þ
[17:22] <InstallingUbuntu> that's not from recovery
[17:22] <InstallingUbuntu> I edited the grep launch options
[17:22] <InstallingUbuntu> removed quiet splash, added nomodeset
[17:23] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  grub, you mean
[17:23] <juanete> ioria: I really appreciatte your help it's time to investigate with those details. EVenthough I didn't install exim and exim isn't in the system, and no exim logs either in /var/log, so it's really weird. Will investigate why I'm having such a SMTP 25 port running with TIME_WAIT.
[17:23] <InstallingUbuntu> grub, sorry
[17:23] <juanete> ioria: Thank you
[17:23] <ioria> juanete,  ok
[17:23] <InstallingUbuntu> ok, I have recovery shell open
[17:24] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  post the output of the command EriC^^ posted
[17:24] <InstallingUbuntu> Just did it
[17:25] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  the full output
[17:25] <InstallingUbuntu> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[17:26] <InstallingUbuntu> Subsystem:ASRock Incorperation device 2572
[17:26] <InstallingUbuntu> Kernel modules: intelfb, i915
[17:26] <InstallingUbuntu> thats it
[17:26] <InstallingUbuntu> back in 1 min
[17:26] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  are you sure you're using nomodeset ?
[17:29] <us12354> hi guys, how can i mount encrypted hd, thanks, i-m in live with ubuntu 16.04
[17:29] <InstallingUbuntu> I'm back
[17:29] <InstallingUbuntu> yes, I'm using nomodeset
[17:30] <InstallingUbuntu> 100% sure
[17:31] <InstallingUbuntu> If I don't use nomodeset and just try to boot regularly I get a black screen
[17:31] <vlt> us12354: If it’s LUKS encrypted you should be able to just plug it in and your system will ask you for the passphrase and then mount it. Without a desktop environment you use `cryptsetup luksOpen` to open and then mount to mount it.
[17:31] <ducasse> us12354: http://askubuntu.com/questions/63594/mount-encrypted-volumes-from-command-line#63598
[17:32] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  bynow, are you on Recovery, or logged in via console ?
[17:33] <InstallingUbuntu> Recovery
[17:33] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, try to boot again and login via console (ctrl+alt+fX)
[17:34] <InstallingUbuntu> fx?
[17:34] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, F1 (or F2)
[17:34] <olmari> with LUKS might need to install, was it, cryptsetup if it is not installed, but generally like vlt said... if it is true- or veracrypt, then you need to install mentioned program... generally same for any obscure crypting program
[17:34] <olmari> no idea about windows encrypted stuff in linux
[17:35] <InstallingUbuntu> I rebooted, I'm at the grub screen. Pressing ctrl+alt+f1/2 does nothing
[17:35] <InstallingUbuntu> Should I go to recovery and try it?
[17:36] <xan> hi, i have problem with nvidia driver and GDM. need help
[17:36] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, not at the grub screen, let it run .... wait a bit, then open a console
[17:37] <InstallingUbuntu> If I choose just to start ubuntu 12.04 (not recovery) It won't respond to any keystrokes
[17:37] <xan> desktop pc with only geforce 750TI, with pervious version of ubuntu works perfectly. but with 16.10 when i install nvidia driver GDM doesent start. if i use XDM work fine
[17:37] <xan> need help pls
[17:38] <misha1> OerHeks: yes, a few physical keys are broken, like the uestion mark. Do you have any useful information for me
[17:38] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, ok, so in grub, edit the kernel boot line and  add   ' text ' (without quote) after nomodeset
[17:38] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, so, you'll have a 'text boot'
[17:38] <InstallingUbuntu> so, > nomodeset text
[17:38] <ioria> yup
[17:39] <xan> help me
[17:39] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, F10 then
[17:40] <InstallingUbuntu> booting...
[17:40] <puffinz> xan, have you tried uninstalling gdm and reinstalling it?
[17:40] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, you should end up in console
[17:40] <xan> puffinz i try to reformat
[17:40] <puffinz> xan, no need to do a full install
[17:40] <xan> reinstall it should works?
[17:41] <InstallingUbuntu> ioria It seems to be stuck
[17:41] <puffinz> just "sudo apt-get remove gdm" "sudo apt-get install gdm"
[17:41] <xan> puffinz i already reformat to do a try
[17:41] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, wait a bit ....
[17:41] <misha1> Hello. Im using lubuntu on a netbook with a few physical keys broken. How can I remap three keys in lubuntu
[17:41] <xan> try reinstall gdm now
[17:41] <InstallingUbuntu> fsck from util-linux 2.20.1
[17:42] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, what you had on that pc before ?
[17:42] <InstallingUbuntu> Windows 7 Ultimate
[17:42] <InstallingUbuntu> Overwrote it when I installed Ubuntu
[17:42] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, the hd is ok ?
[17:43] <InstallingUbuntu> I'm pretty sure, yeah
[17:43] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, still stuck ?
[17:43] <InstallingUbuntu> yes
[17:43] <clarkk> spent another day on this lightdm "run script on log out" problem. See my code  https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e1a9a7d0a61409073831c7c728d04b98   It seems that the script is run with id=root, but with the USER and HOME variables set to the current user. When it creates files, the files are owned by id. Is there any way to properly change the user to the current user. Even using sudo -Hnu myuser /usr/local/bin/testing-logoff-script2, the log 
[17:44] <InstallingUbuntu> it got as far as last time, but without the "Starting to load fallback graphics devices [fail]"
[17:44] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  try to   ctrl+alt+f2
[17:44] <InstallingUbuntu> nothing happens
[17:44] <ducasse> misha1: if you can't use xmodmap you will have to use xkbcomp.
[17:45] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  have you tried resume from the Recovery menu ?
[17:45] <nullsign> Test
[17:45] <InstallingUbuntu> yes, it gives me a different problem
[17:46] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  which is ?
[17:47] <InstallingUbuntu> stuck on * Starting CUPS printing/spooling server     [OK]
[17:47] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  if it's a fresh install, and you can't open a console , i'd say 'bad media or bad iso'
[17:48] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  how did you do the usb ?
[17:48] <ducasse> InstallingUbuntu: it failed to write properly the first time around, didn't it?
[17:48] <InstallingUbuntu> I started with rufus, after that didn't work I went to UNetbootin, and after that didn't work I went back to rufus
[17:48] <InstallingUbuntu> Yeah, so I installed it from scratch
[17:49] <InstallingUbuntu> 2 different usbs and a new iso
[17:49] <InstallingUbuntu> first iso downloaded from ubuntus servers
[17:49] <InstallingUbuntu> 2nd iso from ubuntu torrent
[17:49] <xan> puffinz done but not works
[17:49] <xan> puffinz lightDM and xdm works. gdm not
[17:49] <InstallingUbuntu> I think the install is good, its just my graphics
[17:50] <InstallingUbuntu> or something along the lines
[17:50] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, it's intel, right ?
[17:50] <InstallingUbuntu> what part?
[17:50] <InstallingUbuntu> cpu?
[17:50] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, the graphics
[17:51] <InstallingUbuntu> yes
[17:51] <xan> lightDM and xdm works. GDM not
[17:51] <InstallingUbuntu> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[17:52] <InstallingUbuntu> this is from the command earlier^
[17:52] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, grep "model"  /proc/cpuinfo
[17:52] <howarth> Filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1647184
[17:53] <howarth> Ubuntu really needs to add those two Fedora 24 installer features
[17:53] <howarth> I was shocked to find that Fedora 24 could install a bootable installation of x86_64 Fedora on a EFI-32 MacBook Pro 2,1
[17:53] <InstallingUbuntu> Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.0Ghz
[17:54] <howarth> They are using the trick described in http://askubuntu.com/questions/563401/efi-boot-ubuntu-14-04-on-a-mac-without-refind automatically in anaconda
[17:54] <xan> puffinz any idea?
[17:54] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, you can boot to recovery, enable networking, and try to update-upgrade-dist-upgrade
[17:55] <howarth> The EFI-32 business I am guessing is due to their use of a failback.efi file but I am certain
[17:55] <InstallingUbuntu> recovery>network?
[17:55] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, yes,   but for me, i'd download lubuntu 14.04
[17:55] <howarth> That in particular would be useful to non-Mac users as many PC owners may be stuck with EFI-32 firmware as well
[17:56] <InstallingUbuntu> It gets stuck on modem-manager
[17:56] <eelstrebor> i've been trying to install 16.04.1 on a 1TB HDD but it keeps telling me i have a lagacy system on the drive and tells me i need to force the uefi install even though i wiped the drive before starting
[17:56] <InstallingUbuntu> there's a list of stuff
[17:57] <InstallingUbuntu> still stuck...
[17:57] <eelstrebor> not to mention that the install locks up when i click on continue
[17:57] <InstallingUbuntu> is there any way I can set up the network and do this from the recovery command line?
[17:57] <anddam> hello, I just installed a 16.10 and then package samba, upon trying to enable the service I get
[17:57] <anddam> update-rc.d: error: samba Default-Start contains no runlevels, aborting.
[17:58] <anddam> in fact I can see that     lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   9 set 18 12:26 /lib/systemd/system/samba.service -> /dev/null    and that seems a bit odd
[17:58] <anddam> any hint about that?
[17:58] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  you can't enable networking ?
[17:59] <InstallingUbuntu> no
[17:59] <InstallingUbuntu> It gets stuck
[17:59] <InstallingUbuntu> I have to go through the command line
[17:59] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  cabled connection ?
[18:00] <InstallingUbuntu> wireless
[18:00] <InstallingUbuntu> Don't have cables where I am currently
[18:00] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  a laptop ?
[18:00] <InstallingUbuntu> its a desktop
[18:01] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  yes, with wpasupplicant,  and ifconfig you can set up it manually ... but it's a pain
[18:07] <ocean> hello
[18:07] <haricot> Hi, after much research, I am still unable run a a custom script of mine. Really, it is a file that simply runs a few commands. I have tried multiple areas of my system: init.d, rc.local, and  crontab. None of these methods have worked for me. And of course, I can run my script manually, and it works fine. It also works under startup applications in gnome, but I do not mainly use gnome, I use i3. I really appreciate any help given.
[18:08] <ducasse> haricot: what exactly does it do?
[18:09] <haricot> ducasse: what does my script do?
[18:09] <ducasse> haricot: yes
[18:09] <zykotick9> haricot: exec_always in .i3/config perhaps?
[18:10] <haricot> zykotick9: I was thinking of trying that too, but haven't. Im fighting with my OCD aboutgetting it to work in /etc/init.d
[18:10] <ducasse> haricot: or ~/.xsessionrc, so it runs independent of environment.
[18:10] <haricot> ducasse: the script maps ctrl to my space bar
[18:10] <InstallingUbuntu> Is there a way I could connect my tower to my laptop with an ethernet cord and piggyback off the wifi?
[18:10] <ducasse> haricot: with setxkbmap?
[18:10] <haricot> ducasse: no, xmodmap and xcape
[18:11] <InstallingUbuntu> And no. the ethernet cord is not long enough to reach the router
[18:11] <ducasse> haricot: then it will need access to an x server, so put it in ~/.xsessionrc. an init script will not work.
[18:12] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  maybe easier, boot the livecd, and chroot
[18:12] <haricot> ducasse: thanks, ill give it a go. Why does it need an x server?
[18:12] <haricot> ducasse: because i3 is used?
[18:13] <ducasse> haricot: because of the 'x' in 'xmodmap'. it's an x tool.
[18:13] <haricot> duh...
[18:13] <haricot> hahaha
[18:13] <haricot> ducasse: thanks for that.
[18:13] <ducasse> haricot: np.
[18:13] <InstallingUbuntu> chroot?
[18:15] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  yes, you mount your root partition, mount the critical fs, chroot and upgrade your installed system from there...
[18:16] <InstallingUbuntu> grub doesn't seem to recognize the usb
[18:17] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  bios recognizes the usb, not grub ...
[18:17] <InstallingUbuntu> I'm taking a break, I'll be back in a bit
[18:17] <InstallingUbuntu> i know, bios doesnt either
[18:27] <slavanap> Hello. I get these error messages when copying disk to iso with brasero. What does they mean? Am I have a bad CD or this is driver issue? http://hastebin.com/xocuqaboqa.sql
[18:29] <ducasse> slavanap: looks like bad disk or bad drive
[18:29] <ilhami> hey!
[18:29] <ducasse> slavanap: i'd guess disc if others work fine.
[18:30] <slavanap> ducasse, well I don't know if other would work. Brasero stuck on 99% when copying. Will try others soon.
[18:32] <slavanap> ducasse, now trying `sudo dd if=/dev/sr0 of=Disk.iso status=progress` if that make any difference...
[18:33] <ikonia> or /win 4
[18:33] <ikonia> oops, sorry
[18:33] <slavanap> ducasse, dd finished well..... brasero bug?
[18:34] <ocean_> hello guys
[18:34] <ducasse> slavanap: hard to say
[18:34] <JamesTc> I have a ssl question, but #openssl seems rather quiet, so i was wondering if it would be okay to ask it here ?
[18:35] <ikonia> JamesTc: probably not
[18:35] <ikonia> JamesTc: if it's something to do with openssl #openssl is the right place, if it's to do with ubuntus SSL build, here is fine
[18:36] <slavanap> I wonder how AudioCD is mounted. dd if=/dev/sr0 returns error.
[18:36] <zykotick9> slavanap: audio cds aren't mounted
[18:37] <slavanap> zykotick9, how to dd them then?
[18:37] <zykotick9> slavanap: ? not something i've tried to do...
[18:38] <slavanap> zykotick9, looks like copying .wav files is the only option
[18:38] <slavanap> *from AudioCD
[18:39] <MonkeyDust> slavanap  havent followed... you can also copy audio files from cd, with the 'jack' command
[18:39] <ducasse> slavanap: you don't mount something you intend to read/write with dd
[18:39] <MonkeyDust> slavanap  jack -k lets you keep the files in .wav format
[18:39] <slavanap> ducasse, whatever, AudioCD can't be read via /dev/sr0 not /dev/cdrom
[18:39] <slavanap> *nor
[18:40] <JamesTc> ikonia: Its properly more of a generic ssl question to be honest.      If i generate a ssl csr file on ubuntu, register it online as a wildcard certificate with "lets say" rapidssl.  Will i be able to use this certificate with both my ubuntu servers, windows iis servers and so on?    (rapidssl has a few guides on how to generate for diferent services like apache/ iis mac server and so on.    I would hate to end up spending 800ish usd o
[18:40] <JamesTc> being broken
[18:40] <ikonia> JamesTc: "yes" but for the record thats nothing to do with this channel, as you rightly suggested
[18:41] <slavanap> MonkeyDust, trying jack -k now. Will report if it's similar just copying files via File Manager.
[18:41] <JamesTc> ikonia:   Thanks for helping out despite my request falling short of the channels topic.    It will put my heart at ease.
[18:47] <ibispi> hi
[18:48] <ibispi> i want to download ubuntu for my desktop computer, which version should i download? What's ubuntu kylin?
[18:49] <EriC^^> ibispi: 16.04
[18:49] <MonkeyDust> ibispi  kylin is ubuntu for chinese customers
[18:49] <EriC^^> ibispi: ubuntu kylin is a chinese version
[18:49] <evhTap> Hey
[18:49] <ibispi> ah
[18:49] <evhTap> Just download the latest LTS
[18:49] <ibispi> ok
[18:49] <evhTap> I believe it's 16.04
[18:49] <ibispi> hmm
[18:50] <ibispi> that's the latest version for ubuntu "long term support"
[18:50] <evhTap> Yup
[18:50] <ibispi> ok
[18:50] <evhTap> LTS
[18:50] <ibispi> yea
[18:50] <evhTap> That means that all apps released in the next five years will support it
[18:51] <evhTap> 5 years later, they'll release the next LTS
[18:51] <evhTap> 18.04
[18:51] <xan_IT> hi guys i have problem with nvidia driver and GDM
[18:51] <tgm4883> evhTap: uh, not all apps released in the next 5 years will support 16.04
[18:51] <slavanap> MonkeyDust, well `jack -k` doesn't add any comments to file, while copying through file manager adds `gvfs-cdda using libcdio 0.83 x86_64-pc-linux-gnu` as a comment to .wav file.
[18:52] <slavanap> MonkeyDust, Thanks for info about jack
[18:52] <evhTap> Really?
[18:52] <ioria> slavanap, you need to rip and convert songs ?
[18:53] <slavanap> ioria, rip. I've already did that 2 ways :D
[18:53] <tgm4883> evhTap: yea, I'm not even sure where you got that information
[18:53] <slavanap> ioria, jack -k or copying via filemanader.
[18:53] <evhTap> Wow I may have gotten false information
[18:53] <evhTap> Thanks for correcting me
[18:53] <ioria> slavanap, i use sound-juicer and set preferences to mp3
[18:53] <evhTap> And sorry to the newbie for misleading him
[18:54] <ibispi> o;
[18:54] <tgm4883> evhTap: in fact, that's actually one of the biggest knocks, that it doesn't get updated apps for lots of things
[18:54] <slavanap> ioria, fyi, jack -k additionally converts to .ogg
[18:54] <ioria> slavanap, sound-juicer  too
[18:54] <ibispi> i should still download that version, right?
[18:54] <tgm4883> ibispi: yes you should
[18:55] <ibispi> k
[18:55] <ibispi> thx guys
[18:55] <HelloWorld123> I have a user folder that is syncronized in /home/user and /export/user ... what topic should I be asking about to find out why that /export mirror exists and if its safe to delete it, etc.
[18:55] <slavanap> ioria, yeah. They both (soundjuicer & jack) uses same lib CD Cdparanoia
[18:55] <ioria> yep, but it's slow :(
[18:56] <slavanap> ioria, File Manager uses libcdio to copy as .wav files.
[18:56] <ioria> slavanap, .wav are huge !
[18:56] <xan_IT> lightDM and XDM works but GDM not with nvdia driver. help me pls
[18:57] <slavanap> ioria, I prefer lossless. wav -> flac. And things done.
[18:57] <ioria> slavanap, yeah
[18:57] <slavanap> ioria, :D
[18:57] <claude_> Salut toutes et tous
[18:58] <zykotick9> slavanap: <sidenote> if you have a lot of cds to rip, i'd suggest "abcde" it's a command line ripper/encoder, but YMMV.  good luck.
[19:00] <slavanap> zykotick9, thanks for the info. I don't have that much CDs. :)
[19:01] <HelloWorld123> I have a user folder that is syncronized in /home/user and /export/user ... what topic should I be asking about to find out why that /export mirror exists and if its safe to delete it, etc.
[19:01] <claude_> Hello
[19:07] <yenclgj5nlw> Hi all! I had a kubuntu 16.04 which installation had failed at installing grub (may be middle of process). I had installed grub manually and rebooted into system. Surprizingly it worked, but som issues are. From the visible ones I can mention installer in the menu. Then I upgraded the packages, rebooted and tried release upgrade to 16.10 using do-release-upgrade -m desktop, it said that storage consumption will be increased by ~100
[19:07] <yenclgj5nlw> …ad failed: there were lots of errors in process including python scripts crashes because of type casting errors and hanged on some openssl package. So I killed it manually (first depkg, second yakkety). Then I tried again but it said it is already upgraded. Then I tried apt update and apt upgrade. It said about lots of conflicts. Then I messed a bit with aptitude and forcely installed a package it adviced me to upgrade (iputils-
[19:07] <yenclgj5nlw> …t occupied storage will be increased by ~700 mib. During its installation it installed lot of packages including icons, fonts ,kernel, etc and even several times writed grub into mbr.  Then I apt upgrade -f, it said that occupied storage will be increased by ~700 mib again. Should I done right? Or what should I do to correct?
[19:08] <yenclgj5nlw> *Have I done right?
[19:09] <[twisti]> i have a problem with a remote server not coming back up. i suspect it might be checking the HDDs for damage - its responding to pings, but not to ssh. is HDD checking something that happens between those two phases ?
[19:10] <ice9> with nvidia FXAA enabled, i still get too much aliasing in the game, any idea?
[19:10] <ikonia> no
[19:10] <ikonia> thats normally the first thing it does, check the file system
[19:10] <[twisti]> before bringing up the network interface ?
[19:10] <ikonia> if it's on the network the file system checks have passed
[19:10] <[twisti]> ok
[19:10] <[twisti]> then i wonder wtf its doing, i hate not being able to see
[19:10] <ikonia> don't swear please, there is no need
[19:10] <[twisti]> if i boot into a rescue disc, is there any way to check whats going wrong with the boot ?
[19:11] <ikonia> [twisti]: view the logs
[19:11] <ikonia> don't know how you'll use the rescue disk though as it won't be on the network
[19:11] <Jordan_U> yenclgj5nlw: Sounds like it might be best to just install 16.10 from scratch.
[19:11] <[twisti]> im not really a linux guy, which logs would contain relevant information ?
[19:11] <ikonia> [twisti]: the syslog would be a start
[19:12] <[twisti]> our provider (hetzner) has a remote control interface that allows booting a system off a rescue disc, with the hdds mounted
[19:12] <[twisti]> so unless the boot issues are hardware related, that should work
[19:13] <[twisti]> its running LTS 12, so i wouldnt be totally opposed to just not fixing it in lieu of a new 16.10 LTS
[19:13] <ikonia> 16.10 is not lts
[19:14] <[twisti]> oh, weird
[19:14] <ikonia> not really
[19:14] <yenclgj5nlw> JordanU, I can't: my bios doesn't see my flash drive if there is syslinux (or what ubuntu uses) on it. I tried kexec, but either I do wrong or it is unkexecable.
[19:14] <[twisti]> i thought the odd year releases always made it to LTS
[19:14] <ikonia> 16.04 is
[19:14] <[twisti]> ah, my bad, i thought you were saying there was no 2016 LTS
[19:15] <[twisti]> you were objecting to the .10
[19:15] <ducasse> [twisti]: lts releases are made every two years
[19:16] <yenclgj5nlw> One more question. I need gpu OpenCL and I have AMD pre-GCN videocard. How can I get it?
[19:16] <mango_> I've installed ubuntu-desktop on Ubuntu Server 14.04 but I don't see a GUI, am I missing a step?
[19:17] <ioria> mango_, sudo service lightdm start (or restart)
[19:17] <mango_> unrecognised servoce
[19:18] <mango_> service
[19:18] <ioria> mango_,  dpkg -l | grep lightdm
[19:18] <slavanap> ikonia, quick question related to LTSes. If I develop an app and it works in 16.04 LTS, is it guaranteed that it work in any 16.*/17.* before next LTS releases?
[19:19] <slavanap> *before next LTS release
[19:19] <mango_> @ioria - I'm installing now
[19:19] <ioria> mango_,  weird
[19:19] <mango_> @ioria - is lightdm meant to be available by default?
[19:20] <ioria> mango_,  a sec, please
[19:20] <slavanap> mango_, in Ubuntu - yes.
[19:20] <ioria> mango_,  yep
[19:20] <mango_> ioria: this is a large package, still going
[19:20] <slavanap> in Ubuntu Desktop
[19:20] <ioria> mango_,  something wrong
[19:21] <mango_> nothing wrong, installing on a VM, taking a while to install lightdm
[19:21] <ioria> mango_,  let's see
[19:23] <mango_> ioria: ok the GUI is setup
[19:23] <mango_> but the password is not recognised
[19:23] <ioria> mango_,  ls -al ~/.Xauthority
[19:23] <mango_> the guest account doesn't log me in either
[19:23] <CSGSJay> Hi guys, some scary news https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5ggl7c/the_intel_management_engine_me_theres_a_separate/
[19:24] <ioria> mango_,  ls -al ~/.Xauthority    and cat ~/.xsession-errors
[19:24] <mango_> ioria: can't seem to get to a command line prompt
[19:25] <ioria> mango_,   ctrl+alt+f1
[19:25] <yenclgj5nlw> CSGSJay, good morning.
[19:26] <CSGSJay> yenclgj5nlw: Good morning lad
[19:26] <mango_> ioria: no such file .X..
[19:27] <mango_> ioria: wait
[19:27] <yenclgj5nlw> CSGSJay, though it is in  Russian, but must read. Use gtranslate https://xakep.ru/2011/12/26/58104/
[19:29] <mango_> ioria: no .Xauthority file
[19:29] <slavanap> CSGSJay, that's why Intel invented microcode patches that nobody can review or audit either.
[19:30] <ioria> mango_,  cat ~/.xsession-errors   ?
[19:30] <yoshimitsu> hi, i deleted /usr/share/mime/mime.cache
[19:30] <yoshimitsu> is that bad?
[19:31] <yoshimitsu> do i need it? can it regenerate itself?
[19:31] <tgm4883> yoshimitsu: why? You shouldn't be manually managing files outside of your home directory
[19:32] <yoshimitsu> well clamav complaimed about it
[19:32] <tgm4883> ah, the use of AV strikes again
[19:33] <yoshimitsu> tgm4883: can i regenerate it somewhow?
[19:33] <szafatron> what is the best video editor available on ubuntu?
[19:33] <zykotick9> szafatron: what is the best colour available in crayons?
[19:33] <mango_> ioria: I'm just going to suck it up for now
[19:33] <EriC^^> szafatron: openshot is ok
[19:33] <mango_> ioria: start being hardcore with the cmd line
[19:33] <EriC^^> zykotick9: rainbow obviously
[19:34] <tgm4883> yoshimitsu: do you have 	gnome-commander-data installed?
[19:34] <mango_> ioria: thanks for your efforts Time isn't on my side.
[19:34] <ioria> mango_, sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[19:34] <ioria> mango_, ha, ok
[19:34] <[twisti]> i have managed to boot into my recovery, and before i do anything else, i would like to rerun grub - i deleted some old boot images the other day and i figure maybe i made a typo and deleted something i didnt mean to. can someone point me to the right direction of rerunning grub now that i have /boot mounted to /mnt/a ? ive never before ran grub manually and dont want it to mess up because of
[19:34] <[twisti]> the changed paths
[19:34] <yoshimitsu> tgm4883: installing nw
[19:34] <yoshimitsu> *now
[19:34] <zykotick9> EriC^^: "rainbow" isn't even in colour, it's made up of a number of colours.  ;)
[19:35] <tgm4883> yoshimitsu: did you not already have it installed?
[19:35] <EriC^^> zykotick9: no. way. :p
[19:35] <yoshimitsu> tgm4883: no
[19:35] <yoshimitsu> installed now
[19:35] <tgm4883> yoshimitsu: hmm, interesting
[19:35] <tgm4883> yoshimitsu: which version of ubuntu is this?
[19:35] <yoshimitsu> 16.04
[19:36] <yoshimitsu> anyway to get it back?
[19:36] <yoshimitsu> or make a new one?
[19:36] <EriC^^> [twisti]: i suggest to chroot and reinstall the grub packages
[19:36] <yoshimitsu> mimme.cache that is
[19:37] <ducasse> yoshimitsu: try update-mime-database
[19:37] <mango_> ioria: ha - thanks
[19:37] <ioria> mango_,  no prob
[19:37] <yoshimitsu> k
[19:37] <tgm4883> yoshimitsu: yea that's the command
[19:38] <tgm4883> yoshimitsu: you dont need that other package installed, I asked if you already had it installed, not to install it
[19:38] <yoshimitsu> oh
[19:38] <yoshimitsu> shit
[19:39] <yoshimitsu> tgm4883: it hasn't regenerated mime.cache
[19:40] <yoshimitsu> i did update-mime-database
[19:40] <yoshimitsu> wait i didn't do the proper thing
[19:40] <yoshimitsu> hmm
[19:41] <ducasse> yoshimitsu: try 'update-mime-database /usr/share/mime', according to the manpage
[19:41] <yoshimitsu> ty
[19:42] <Chazb123[m]> Hello
[19:42] <yoshimitsu> ty, very much, later
[19:47] <chaene_> hi. I have a strange problem when displaying images that I took with my canon power shot digital camera. Many programs (gwenview, firefox, chrome, gimp) display the colors wrong slightly too bright not colorful enough, however other programs (digikam, geeqie) display them correctly. I tried to google already but had no luck yet.
[19:47] <bekks> chaene_: Which file format do you use?
[19:47] <Jordan_U> chaene_: It's probably that some apps support color profiles while others do not.
[19:48] <chaene_> one thing which I  noticed when opening them with geeqie is that they are briefly displayed with the wrong colors and then they change.  so I assume that it is some color profile issue.
[19:48] <ElinKattunge> Get out of here!
[19:48] <chaene_> bekks: this are JPEGS generated by a canon powershot compact camera.
[19:48] <Chazb123[m]> Hello
[19:49] <sahi> does everything in /etc/init run on startup or is there a config that sets which ones run?
[19:49] <Chazb123[m]> That's gonna be mine someday
[19:49] <Chazb123[m]> https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/sIobxMZkAPrKrwCoTZMCZMnS - ima_425c665.jpeg (1545KB)
[19:49] <ElinKattunge> sahi: systemctl disable <server>
[19:49] <ElinKattunge> *<service>
[19:49] <chaene_> Jordan_U: I have a similar hunch but I have a hard time to believe that for example gimp would not support this
[19:49] <sahi> ElinKattunge: systemctl: command not found
[19:49] <ElinKattunge> ..
[19:50] <Chazb123[m]> Do push notifications work on this
[19:50] <ElinKattunge> update-init.rc
[19:50] <Jordan_U> Chazb123[m]: This channel is for Ubuntu support only.
[19:50] <Chazb123[m]> Sorry
[19:50] <Chazb123[m]> I'll leave
[19:50] <insidious> Anyone know the reason i can't detect my wifi driver on fresh install "Dell Latitude E6230"
[19:50] <ElinKattunge> sahi: Try update-rc.init
[19:50] <ElinKattunge> I meant... update-rc.d
[19:51] <tgm4883> sahi: what version of Ubuntu
[19:51] <bekks> chaene_: jpegs do not contain any valuable metadata information like raw images. So its basically up to the applications used in how to display the jpeg image data.
[19:51] <[twisti]> i have an existing linux system on a partition, and i would like to install a fresh ubuntu to the pc, but i would prefer keeping the old files intact, that way i wont have to upload all the various backups. is it possible/sensible to just sort of move the entire hdds contents to /oldlinux and install the new one, or will that lead to problems ? im not planning on using the old one, i just want
[19:51] <[twisti]> the files around for easier restoration
[19:51] <ElinKattunge> I thought all modern versions of Ubuntu used systemd...
[19:51] <sahi> how can I tell if I'm using systemd or not?
[19:51] <chaene_> bekks, Jordon_U: I also checked with exiftool there is no embedded color profile but it is specified in the exif that it is sRGB
[19:51] <tgm4883> ElinKattunge: nope
[19:51] <ElinKattunge> sahi: Report to me uname -a
[19:52] <ElinKattunge> Also check LSB info
[19:52] <rory> sahi: if you dont have systemctl you're not using systemd. what version of ubuntu (check "cat /etc/issue.net")
[19:52] <tgm4883> sahi: do 'lsb_release -r'
[19:52] <tgm4883> uh, too many cooks
[19:52] <glitchd> so i think i just deleted the partition that had grub on it, how can i verify if grub is still working without rebooting?
[19:52] <sahi> I think systemctl broke because I have startup errors
[19:52] <insidious> Anyone know the reason i can't detect my wifi driver on fresh install "Dell Latitude E6230"
[19:52] <bekks> chaene_: exif data is irrelevant for jpeg images. exif data is just stored in the jpeg header, but it isnt used for displaying images.
[19:52] <sahi> "systemd-udevd[2259]: failed to execute '/bin/systemctl' '/bin/systemctl stop --no-block nvidia-persistenced': No such file or directory"
[19:53] <rory> oh what
[19:53] <rory> sahi: can you tell us what ubuntu version you have installed?
[19:53] <ElinKattunge> rory: /etc/issue.net is not the way to check which distro one is running
[19:53] <ElinKattunge> I myself take use of issue,net heavily on my servers
[19:53] <tgm4883> sahi: do 'lsb_release -r'
[19:53] <rory> whatever just tell us the version lol
[19:53] <reisio> frealz
[19:54] <insidious> I just need s simple soultion to my problem. lol
[19:54] <ElinKattunge> Getting wifi to work is never a simple solution...
[19:54] <reisio> insidious: what's the device?
[19:54] <bekks> insidious: Which wifi chipset are you using?
[19:54] <reisio> ElinKattunge: sure it is
[19:54] <reisio> bekks: I win I win
[19:54] <insidious> Anyone know the reason i can't detect my wifi driver on fresh install "Dell Latitude E6230"
[19:54] <bekks> reisio: :D
[19:55] <clarkk> lightdm runs the session-cleanup-script with root id, but with USER AND HOME set as the current user. I've tried to set it to   session-cleanup-script=sudo -Hnu "$USER" /path/to/myscript, but it still runs as user. Can anyone explain why, and a possible workaround?  Thanks
[19:55] <ElinKattunge> reisio: For me, and you, maybe!
[19:55] <ElinKattunge> But it is not hard to run into problems with a specific NIC
[19:55] <reisio> ElinKattunge: it's almost always simple, it's just that the rare occasions it isn't suck a lot
[19:55] <insidious> Do i need to update
[19:55] <insidious> after install
[19:55] <insidious> for it get wifi working?
[19:55] <bekks> insidious: You need to answer our questions.
[19:55] <marshall> need a hand recovering an encrypted directory on an old partition using ecryptfs.
[19:56] <ElinKattunge> No, just install the firmware
[19:56] <insidious> bekks?
[19:56] <rory> insidious: Are you able to connect with a cable, and open the Drivers tab of the update program?
[19:56] <ElinKattunge> then check dmesg | grep <module>
[19:56] <bekks> insidious: Two people already asked you which chipset you are using.
[19:56] <ElinKattunge> You can get the loaded module from lspci, or if it's a USB adaptor then from lsusb
[19:56] <reisio> marshall: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/ecryptfs.html
[19:56] <Jordan_U> marshall: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2011/04/introducing-ecryptfs-recover-private.html
[19:56] <ElinKattunge> Don't forget to specify verbose flags
[19:56] <insidious> its hard to read with the scroll here sorry
[19:56] <marshall> I've been through many of the steps before, but the computer was rebooted before I could extract the files I needed, and I lost the location of the file we created with ecryptfs
[19:57] <reisio> insidious: sudo lspci | grep -i net
[19:57] <insidious> im not on the os yet
[19:57] <marshall> Thanks, guys. I'll bookmark those links and check them out. Cheers!
[19:57] <insidious> Its broadcom
[19:58] <reisio> insidious: get on the OS, then we can do something
[19:58] <insidious> okay
[19:58] <ElinKattunge> insidious: If it's an modern Intel chipset then lspci/lsusb | grep e1000
[19:58] <insidious> i just didnt didnt want to install it
[19:58] <insidious> if i couldnt get wifi on it
[19:58] <insidious> but ill install and hardwire and then come back it will be easier prob to help me
[19:58] <insidious> brb
[20:00] <ducasse> insidious: you don't need to install, just boot the live image
[20:01] <ElinKattunge> reisio: lspci | grep -i net seems like a better solution :)
[20:01] <reisio> ElinKattunge: better solution than what?
[20:01] <ElinKattunge> The one I provided
[20:01] <ElinKattunge> to insidious
[20:03] <clarkk> lightdm runs the session-cleanup-script with an id of root, but with USER and HOME vars set as the current user. I've tried to set it to  session-cleanup-script=sudo -Hnu "$USER" /path/to/myscript, but it still runs as root. Can anyone explain why, and a possible workaround?  Thanks
[20:04] <reisio> clarkk: explain what you're trying to accomplish first
[20:04] <ElinKattunge> clarkk: Have you tried su -c "<command>" <user>
[20:04] <ElinKattunge> ?
[20:04] <ElinKattunge> That might help you
[20:05] <clarkk> reisio: this is my code so far   https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e1a9a7d0a61409073831c7c728d04b98 (before it was changed to the sudo command)
[20:06] <ElinKattunge> clarkk: You using a multiseat setup of sorts?
[20:06] <reisio> ElinKattunge: oh :)
[20:06] <clarkk> ElinKattunge: yes, I've tried it with su -c
[20:06] <reisio> clarkk: that doesn't tell me what you're trying to accomplish
[20:06] <clarkk> ElinKattunge: no, I'm not using multiseat
[20:07] <ElinKattunge> clarkk: Usually if a script requires another user other than root, su is used
[20:07] <ElinKattunge> not sudo
[20:07] <clarkk> reisio: I nee the file it creates to be owned by the current user
[20:07] <ElinKattunge> Plus, the root user can use su without being prompted for password.
[20:07] <reisio> clarkk: that doesn't tell me what you're trying to accomplish overall
[20:08] <glitchd> ducasse, how can i verify grub is still working without rebooting?
[20:08] <ElinKattunge> clarkk: chown <user>:<group> <file>
[20:08] <clarkk> reisio: this simple script does not work as I need it to. If I could get it to work, I'd be much farther forward
[20:08] <ElinKattunge> Also, please specify manpage
[20:08] <reisio> clarkk: that doesn't tell me what you're trying to accomplish overall
[20:09] <glitchd> reisio, , how can i verify grub is still working without rebooting?
[20:09] <clarkk> reisio: I just want to get this to work. This is what I want overall
[20:09] <ioria> clarkk, what does the script do  ?
[20:09] <ElinKattunge> glitchd: You are writing grub files yourself, that's bad!
[20:09] <reisio> clarkk: nice talking with you
[20:09] <glitchd> ElinKattunge, lol no im not
[20:09] <clarkk> ioria: it just echos a string to a log file
[20:10] <reisio> glitchd: what is it you're afraid has changed?
[20:10] <ioria> clarkk, ok, and what's the problem ?
[20:10] <zykotick9> glitchd: fyi, to see what grub setting you are currently booted with "cat /proc/cmdline"
[20:10] <clarkk> ioria: I need it to be created and owned by the current user, not a privilaged user
[20:10] <EriC^^> clarkk: basically you want every time you log in to log that you logged in?
[20:11] <glitchd> reisio, i had another linux distro installed on a seperate hard drive and i just formatted that hard drive, and i think that grub was installed on there, so im trying to verify that its still installed and working before i reboot.
[20:11] <ikonia> if you have deleted a partition that contained grub why are you checking it's "still working" surely it will be broken as you've just deleted it
[20:11] <reisio> glitchd: oh okay
[20:11] <zykotick9> glitchd: ahhh
[20:11] <clarkk> EriC^^: no, I want every time I log out to log a string
[20:11] <ioria> clarkk,  the log file it's owned by who ?
[20:11] <reisio> glitchd: you can just go through this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[20:11] <clarkk> ioria: it gets created and owned by root, rather than the current user
[20:11] <ElinKattunge> glitchd: dpkg -l | grep grub
[20:11] <zykotick9> glitchd: reinstall grub from the one you WANT to be working!
[20:12] <zykotick9> glitchd: whatever grub you installed most recently will be in the MBR
[20:12] <glitchd> i tried boot-repair, but it never gets past searching partitions
[20:12] <ikonia> don't use that
[20:12] <reisio> grub is unfortunately a fairly complex system with lots of separate configs and installations that all have to be correctly configured against one another
[20:12] <ikonia> manually apply grub from the distro you want to the mbr
[20:12] <reisio> so just go through the steps
[20:12] <EriC^^> clarkk: what's the overall functionality behind it? the meaning?
[20:12] <glitchd> ikonia, alrighty then
[20:12] <ioria> clarkk,  in the script you call to write to the log , add chown  $USER:$USER
[20:12] <reisio> glitchd: yes, use the link I gave you
[20:12] <EriC^^> maybe there's another way somebody knows how to get it done
[20:13] <glitchd> reisio, mmk thank you
[20:13] <clarkk> ElinKattunge: ioria, so what you are saying is that this is expected behaviour?  Can you explain why su -c doesn't work in this case?
[20:14] <EriC^^> clarkk: must be the way it parses the string
[20:14] <ElinKattunge> You are wanting to re-own the file after another user has created the log, I suggest you use chown
[20:14] <EriC^^> clarkk: try dropping the privileges in the script itself
[20:14] <ElinKattunge> Allow the user to do it's business, and finish it off with chown
[20:14] <clarkk> ElinKattunge: yes, and thank you for that solution. I will try it, but why is it working this way?
[20:15] <ioria> clarkk,  lightdm is managed by root
[20:15] <ElinKattunge> or you could use chmod if you would really still like the current user to own the script, chmod allows you to change the perms ever soo slightly
[20:15] <ioria> clarkk,  not by the user
[20:15] <clarkk> ioria: yes, but why can't root successfully use su?
[20:15] <ElinKattunge> clarkk: lightdm is run as root
[20:15] <ioria> clarkk,  no need to use su
[20:15] <ElinKattunge> So that is what you wanted to do...
[20:15] <EriC^^> clarkk: must be the way it parses the string
[20:16] <ElinKattunge> To be honest, whatever it is your are doing, it sounds hackish
[20:17] <clarkk> ok, thanks for your help. I'll use chown
[20:17] <ElinKattunge> clarkk: Why are you relying on lightdm to record a log?
[20:17] <ElinKattunge> in such manner?
[20:17] <ikonia> seems the worst possible "logging" tool
[20:17] <ElinKattunge> Why not rely on a more sane choice such as a login cli tool?
[20:17] <ElinKattunge> lastlog already does the job
[20:18] <ElinKattunge> and you can use who and lastlog commands to get an output of whose logged into your system, whether they are active and when they last logged in.
[20:18] <clarkk> I need to umount some encfs filesystems, and log the output to confirm they were unmounted (to the same log file as was used when they were mounted by the user)
[20:19] <ikonia> log what output ?
[20:19] <EriC^^> clarkk: i dont think you can unmount them with root if the user mounted them
[20:19] <ikonia> sort of defaults the object of userspace,
[20:19] <ikonia> you can technically do it, but you'd have to go inside that users session
[20:19] <clarkk> "unmounted /path/to/encfs/fs1"
[20:19] <clarkk> EriC^^: correct, kind of
[20:20] <reisio> you're not the guy who was asking about ecryptfs?
[20:20] <clarkk> no
[20:21] <reisio> fusermount -u should work
[20:21] <ElinKattunge> clarkk: NEVER chown any files which are shipped with the lightdm package!!!
[20:21] <ElinKattunge> Only the files, you've created!
[20:21] <ikonia> reisio: don't you have to be "that" user for that to work ?
[20:21] <EriC^^> yeah i stand corrected
[20:21] <reisio> fusermount -u mnt/path && pass || fail
[20:21] <ElinKattunge> You are at risk of breaking lightdm
[20:21] <clarkk> ElinKattunge: I wasn't thinking of doing that
[20:21] <ikonia> clarkk: this sounds like a bad solution to a problem to be honest
[20:21] <reisio> ikonia: by default, for sure
[20:22] <ikonia> clarkk: what is the actual key thing you're trying to achieve  (remove all the fluff from the solution)
[20:22] <ElinKattunge> clarkk: In all honestly, you should just grep the lastlog on regular intervals
[20:22] <ElinKattunge> You could have crontab generate custom logs for you
[20:22] <EriC^^> clarkk: is it a security measure?
[20:22] <ElinKattunge> But I wouldn't recommend using lightdm to log a users activity
[20:23] <EriC^^> what if the screen just locks, does the encfs stay mounted?
[20:23] <clarkk> EriC^^: logging out of the filesystems when the user logs off?  Yes
[20:23] <clarkk> EriC^^: it stays mounted when the screen locks
[20:23] <ioria> clarkk, so you umount the encrypt fs manually ?
[20:24] <EriC^^> maybe some inactivity timer
[20:24] <clarkk> ioria: I'm trying to automate umounting the filesystem when the user logs off or shuts down
[20:24] <ikonia> clarkk: wouldn't that automatically happen with autofs
[20:24] <ElinKattunge> That sounds redudant...
[20:24] <ioria> clarkk, i think already happens
[20:24] <clarkk> no, they stay mounted
[20:24] <ikonia> when the session closes it will close the usermounts
[20:25] <ikonia> clarkk: how are they being mounted exactly
[20:25] <ElinKattunge> When a system is powered down properly, the filesystems are safely umounted
[20:25] <ikonia> maybe thats the problem
[20:25] <ioria> clarkk,  are you sure
[20:26] <ElinKattunge> ioria, ikonia, Hi hi again! :)
[20:26] <EriC^^> when the pc shuts down they're gone i'd think
[20:27] <ElinKattunge> ioria, ikonia, I quit my day job to work for Ubuntu support (just kiddin)
[20:27] <EriC^^> or else they'd get corrupted
[20:27] <ikonia> if it's a userspace mount and the session ends (user logs out) that mount will be removed
[20:27] <ioria> ElinKattunge, that's good
[20:27] <ikonia> hence why I'm interested in how they are being mounted
[20:27] <reisio> there aren't really rules, only defaults
[20:28] <ElinKattunge> ioria: Thing is... it gotta be bullshit cause I don't even work!
[20:28] <clarkk> they are mounted using   encfs -S "$src-mnt-point" "$dst-mnt-point" <<< "$password"
[20:28] <ikonia> ElinKattunge: please don't swear
[20:28] <ioria> ElinKattunge,  from removable devices ?
[20:28] <ioria> sorry
[20:28] <ikonia> clarkk: so that user is manually mounting them in their own userspace session
[20:28] <EriC^^> the password is in cleartext?
[20:28] <EriC^^> *facepalm*
[20:28] <ikonia> clarkk: so when the session shutsdown that should be removed
[20:29] <ioria> clarkk,   from removable devices ?
[20:29] <clarkk> ikonia: correct, well, they are mounted automatically using ubuntu's startup apps
[20:29] <ioria> ahhahaahah
[20:29] <ElinKattunge> clarkk: Use proper password handling next time
[20:29] <clarkk> ikonia: yes
[20:29] <ikonia> clarkk: ok - but they are still userspace
[20:29] <ElinKattunge> that's hilarious
[20:29] <reisio> it's not hilarious, it's just non-ideal
[20:29] <EriC^^> it's pretty hilarious
[20:29] <ElinKattunge> To me, I am laughing right now
[20:29] <ioria> clarkk,   from Startup apps ?
[20:29] <reisio> nah, you still get encrypted files
[20:30] <clarkk> yes, ioria
[20:30] <EriC^^> i'm imagining a huge vault that's secured with a girl diary's lock or something
[20:30] <EriC^^> same idea
[20:30] <ioria> clarkk,   not sure it's a good idea
[20:30] <reisio> well, most encryption is that way, even if your passwords aren't in plain text
[20:30] <clarkk> EriC^^: yeah, just like your ssh private keys
[20:30] <ElinKattunge> reisio: You get your encrypted files already, but what about the eavesdropper who cracked your WPA2 security
[20:30] <RNeville> I have a non booting HD in my computer , AMD Quad Core, Ubuntu 14.04, and it shows up using a long numerical designation , and not as hd1 or hd2
[20:30] <EriC^^> clarkk: i password protect them
[20:31] <reisio> ElinKattunge: if you're susceptible to eavesdroppers (and everyone is), then you're always susceptible to being cracked
[20:31] <RNeville> I also get error messages saying, drive is not mounted
[20:31] <ioria> clarkk,   you may mount from cli, or in fstab
[20:31] <reisio> ElinKattunge: do you make it easier for them, yes
[20:31] <ikonia> clarkk: it looks like you can deal with this just via pam
[20:31] <ElinKattunge> reisio: Yes, everyone is, but I atleast take precaution and put a security practice first
[20:31] <ikonia> clarkk: looks like you're approaching it from the wrong view point
[20:31] <ikonia> clarkk: just found an example of it
[20:31] <ikonia> clarkk: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/EncFS
[20:31] <EriC^^> clarkk: how does it actually help, in case of theft they can still get the files
[20:31] <ikonia> clarkk: note the warning "Warning: Note that automatic unmount will process even when there is another session. eg.: logout on VC can unmount encfs mounted by GDM session that is still active"
[20:32] <RNeville> I think this non booting drive is causing problems using Lightworks (NLE), any help appreciated
[20:32] <ikonia> clarkk: that sounds like exactly what you want
[20:32] <reisio> security is always about compromising valuable time vs minimal returns :p
[20:32] <Gallomimia> i myself can't seem to get my grub to unlock the FDE i have without going into recovery mode.
[20:32] <ElinKattunge> reisio: Not when you work with business infrastructure like I do and it is crucial that no data what so ever gets leaked!
[20:32] <reisio> the jump from a session password login to actually having an encrypted FS is an enormous gain, but almost every additional level of security after that is minimal
[20:32] <clarkk> ElinKattunge: the files stored on the encfs are themselves encrypted, by proprietry encryption
[20:32] <reisio> still, if you have time :D
[20:33] <EriC^^> Gallomimia: did you add the proper line to /etc/default/grub?
[20:33] <Gallomimia> ehm. probably not.
[20:33] <EriC^^> the one with =y
[20:33] <ElinKattunge> clarkk: But you scripted your password in clear text
[20:33] <reisio> clarkk: sounds redundant
[20:33] <Gallomimia> it worked before i updated something something
[20:33] <ElinKattunge> It doesn't matter if your data is encrypted, your password is not.
[20:34] <EriC^^> weakest link kind of stuff
[20:34] <EriC^^> if the pc gets stolen, somebody could bypass your login easily and all your files would be there unencrypted
[20:34] <Gallomimia> i think they made some kind of movie about why proprietary encryption doens't work that well
[20:35] <Gallomimia> something to do with a crypto called "enigma"
[20:35] <ElinKattunge> EriC^^: Agreed, which is what I was tryna explain to him but he doesn't listen
[20:35] <EriC^^> clarkk: i think ioria was hinting at something nice
[20:35] <clarkk> it doesn't matter. You don't know what I'm protecting it from!
[20:35] <EriC^^> removable drive that has a script and password maybe
[20:36] <EriC^^> you plug it in, files get decrypted
[20:36] <ikonia> clarkk: I'd try to approach this via pam
[20:36] <ikonia> clarkk: I think you'll get better results from that, and an easier logging approach too for confirmation
[20:36] <clarkk> I'm not trying to protect it from someone who steals my pc
[20:36] <reisio> there are only two things encryption protects from, and only one of those things is it affective against :p
[20:36] <reisio> but it's worth doing for that one
[20:37] <EriC^^> clarkk: it's hard to imagine how it would be useful
[20:37] <ElinKattunge> Eat drops
[20:37] <ElinKattunge> *Ear
[20:38] <ElinKattunge> Agreed
[20:38] <ElinKattunge> you got encrypted files
[20:38] <TomyWork> a while ago a nice person named nacc wanted to help me get my dell integrated bluetooth (usb id 413c:8143) working with ubuntu 14.04 (linux-lts-xenial kernel). it boiled down to the kernel module "btusb" not recognizing the device due to it not being listed in some array in the source code
[20:38] <ElinKattunge> but you neglect to use common sense when handling your passwds
[20:38] <reisio> TomyWork: neat
[20:39] <clarkk> I'm feeling that you're pretty judgemental, ElinKattunge.   Sigh, I suppose I'll explain...
[20:39] <ElinKattunge> which automatically breaks the encryption
[20:39] <ikonia> clarkk: please don't
[20:39] <ikonia> clarkk: you have your answers
[20:39] <ElinKattunge> I am tryna tell you that what you are doing is completely unsafe
[20:39] <ElinKattunge> It is up to you what you do
[20:40] <reisio> clarkk: a single layer of encryption, virtually regardless of how you provide your password, will protect against the stolen PC scenario
[20:40] <clarkk> ElinKattunge: I am well aware of the risks here
[20:40] <ElinKattunge> I don't even care what you do, but I was just tryna tell you of the risk
[20:40] <ElinKattunge> okay
[20:40] <TomyWork> nacc made a patch, but it failed to build on launchpad multiple times, and i kinda lost contact. i have since managed to build it myself, booted into the kernel, modprobe'd btusb, but "bt-adapter -l" is still not listing it
[20:40] <clarkk> ElinKattunge: but you don't know what I'm trying to do, but you've already ridiculed me for it
[20:40] <ElinKattunge> But, you see? I don't just simply know who understands what around here
[20:40] <reisio> people who are actually interested in your data won't be defeated, so really the basest level of encryption will make almost everyone else not bother trying to defeat it
[20:40] <TomyWork> what else can i try to trigger device discovery or get some logs or something like that?
[20:40] <reisio> moreover, people who actually want your data would be smarter to take it without letting you know they have :p
[20:41] <clarkk> reisio: well said, and I completely
[20:41] <TomyWork> dmesg isnt very verbose. it just says "[  491.496718] usbcore: registered new interface driver btusb" when i load the module
[20:41] <EriC^^> reisio: unless he's very unlucky and the guy knows linux, does a init=/bin/bash and changes his login pass and then he has all the files
[20:41] <reisio> anybody with the access to steal your computer also doesn't need to defeat your encryption, only your authentication
[20:41] <EriC^^> that's what though? how many people actually use linux
[20:41] <reisio> EriC^^: that is always something that can happen, with any type of encryption
[20:42] <reisio> physical access is everything
[20:42] <EriC^^> reisio: not if he's decrypting it on login
[20:42] <clarkk> I'm using 1Password and storing it on a encfs filesystem on dropbox. Encfs already is very vulnerable on dropbox, due to the fact that dropbox has version history. 1Password already has its own encryption. I am just using encfs just to make it more of a pain in the ass if someone wants my passwords
[20:42] <reisio> if you have access to where someone authenticates, you have everything
[20:42] <reisio> EriC^^: yes, always
[20:42] <EriC^^> reisio: if he manually enters the pass then they wouldnt get the data in cleartext if they login
[20:43] <EriC^^> if they login, then the data is there
[20:43] <TomyWork> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1382490 that's the bug report and this is the fix nacc created: https://launchpad.net/~nacc/+archive/ubuntu/lp1382490
[20:43] <EriC^^> if they use a live usb then it's a matter of noticing that he automounts it
[20:43] <reisio> encryption protecting data on an FS that has been taken works almost all the time; encryption protecting data on an FS an attacker has physical access to, that the user will ever return to, _can_ always be defeated
[20:43] <EriC^^> and then using the cleartext password to decrypt it
[20:44] <HPW> hello
[20:44] <EriC^^> reisio: yeah that's true
[20:44] <reisio> EriC^^: anyway, you're describing someone who simultaneously knows encryption is defeatable and cares about clarkk's data, which will never be the case :p
[20:44] <reisio> HPW: heyo
[20:44] <clarkk> EriC^^: again, I'm not trying to protect my files against someone with physical access to my machine
[20:45] <EriC^^> reisio: sure it will, i find a laptop, i'm an a*** i take it to my friend who uses kali linux like a kool hax0r, he recently learned how to get into init=/bin/bash , and he has all the data now
[20:46] <reisio> EriC^^: no :) I'll tell you why
[20:46] <reisio> it's not that storing a password in plaintext isn't stupid, it is of course
[20:47] <billy__> hello
[20:47] <reisio> it's because people with half a brain who know how to defeat authentication systems don't waste time stealing laptops :p
[20:47] <EriC^^> reisio: well yeah that is usually the case
[20:47] <reisio> even if they wanted the data, it would be silly to steal the laptop & let everyone know you might have it
[20:47] <billy__> geaks conversation !
[20:47] <EriC^^> reisio: though if you think about it, there are the teenagers
[20:48] <reisio> 99% of the time what encryption protects you against is: 1) the rare drug addict who tries looking at your files for 30 seconds before he sells your computer for $5's worht of drugs, and 2) government officials, who frequently are disallowed to legally defeat your authentication, instead having to rely on judicial coercion to get you to give up your password
[20:48] <reisio> s/worht/worth/
[20:49] <reisio> and those are both worth using encryption over, for sure :)
[20:49] <reisio> but the returns of security layers added on top of that are going to be quite rare
[20:50] <ElinKattunge> Encryption is redundant in this case
[20:50] <EriC^^> yeah, i still think it's pretty stupid
[20:50] <ElinKattunge> The only good reason for encryption is to prevent others from decyphering it
[20:51] <EriC^^> cause it's basically just the login, exactly^
[20:51] <ioria> clarkk, headache , right ? :þ
[20:51] <ElinKattunge> With a plain text password, it violates the purpose of encryption
[20:51] <reisio> thinking doesn't really factor into it, plain text passes are stupid :)
[20:51] <reisio> but lots of timesavers are stupid
[20:51] <reisio> you get out what you put in
[20:51] <EriC^^> it really isn't doing much, if they can login, then they have his data, if they can't then they don't, in which case it didnt matter to use encryption anyways
[20:52] <TomyWork> "instead having to rely on judicial coercion to get you to give up your password" - which, afaik, is illegal under us case law
[20:52] <ElinKattunge> If you are gonna encrypt your data, then you also need to encrypt your credentials otherwise you've just transmitted them in pure crystal visibility
[20:52] <TomyWork> or at least it was a few years ago
[20:52] <EriC^^> it helps a little, still if the data matters, then do it right
[20:52] <EriC^^> otherwise then dont encrypt at all
[20:53] <clarkk> it is just some protection from someone who gets into my dropbox account, so they can't just brute force my main 1password password. It's a deterrent, nothing more
[20:55] <clarkk> ElinKattunge: you apparently don't understand how encfs works, if you think the credentials are transmitted anywhere
[20:56] <TomyWork> clarkk so you're using an encrypting file system on top of dropbox?
[20:57] <clarkk> TomyWork: yes
[20:57] <EriC^^> why dont you use keepass ?
[20:57] <EriC^^> if that's what you meant
[20:57] <TomyWork> clarkk and does it retransmit files in their entirety if you change the first bit?
[20:57] <EriC^^> i feel like i'm pretty off on this one, haha
[20:57] <TomyWork> or worse, even?
[20:59] <clarkk> TomyWork: I don't think keepass supported all my platforms when I was looking for a pw solution
[20:59] <TomyWork> clarkk, EriC^^ mentioned keepass
[21:00] <clarkk> TomyWork: I'd have to look in to it, but at this point I don't have the time, and I'm happy with 1password
[21:00] <EriC^^> /unalias EriC^^
[21:01] <EriC^^> TomyWork: should be fine now :D
[21:01] <clarkk> TomyWork: ok, but how is that relevant?
[21:01] <TomyWork> clarkk i was saying EriC^^ mentioned keepass, not me
[21:02] <TomyWork> you were highlighting the wrong person
[21:02] <clarkk> haha
[21:02] <clarkk> ok, apologies, EriC^^. Thanks for pointing that out :)
[21:02] <wyseguy> installed intel-microcode and rebooted, it started to crash the DE and says its currently runningin fallback mode. Anyone have any ideas?
[21:02] <EriC^^> clarkk: no worries :)
[21:02] <Vysty> On Ubuntu 16.04 with the newest Gnome Shell, how do I adjust my number of Workspaces?
[21:03] <TomyWork> clarkk, but since we are on the topic, keepass supports multi-factor authentication, for example with a key file and a password.
[21:03] <TomyWork> so basically you can dump the kdbx into your dropbox and backup the key file locally
[21:04] <clarkk> sounds good
[21:04] <TomyWork> your family cant get into it cause you still have the password
[21:04] <TomyWork> dropbox cant bruteforce it cause they dont have your key file
[21:05] <TomyWork> and bruteforcing a strong key, good luck :)
[21:05] <reisio> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/EncFS#Mount_at_login_using_pam_encfs anyway
[21:05] <RNeville> what is command to open a graphics program having root privlege: gksudo ?
[21:06] <EriC^^> RNeville: yeah
[21:06] <TomyWork> Vysty having never seen that shell, have you tried right-clicking the workspace switcher? that's how it used to work on kde
[21:06] <TomyWork> cant give you any advice beyond that
[21:06] <clarkk> TomyWork: sounds very good. Does keypass store any other information, like notes and the like?
[21:06] <TomyWork> clarkk comments, urls, even files
[21:07] <clarkk> I'll have to give it a go, when I have more time
[21:07] <TomyWork> but please dont backup your key file inside the database
[21:08] <reisio> if you're going to be authenticating normally anyway (DM login), then just use the arch wiki approach I linked
[21:08] <andy_____> who here whatch mr robot?
[21:08] <RNeville> thx EriC^^
[21:08] <clarkk> or send my password for it to ElinKattunge by email? (just preempting what ElinKattunge may warn me against) ;)
[21:08] <EriC^^> RNeville: np
[21:08] <TomyWork> clarkk as long as you dont also send him the key file :D
[21:09] <clarkk> hehe, ok, I'll try not to do that :D
[21:09] <reisio> andy_____: everyone
[21:09] <TomyWork> andy_____ try #ubuntu-social
[21:09] <reisio> it has the best unrealistic "hacking" available
[21:09] <TomyWork> (i think that was the name)
[21:10] <TomyWork> it was #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:10] <TomyWork> andy_____ try #ubuntu-offtopic. That's the channel for stuff not related to ubuntu
[21:11] <TomyWork> anyway
[21:11] <TomyWork> see ya
[21:11] <ElinKattunge> bazhang: :)
[21:12] <ElinKattunge> TomyWork: I will be sure to have many offtopic chats before the day I die!!!
[21:12] <TomyWork> Q'Plah!
[21:15] <ElinKattunge> Nou
[21:19] <superguest> Hi
[21:19] <EriC^^> hi
[21:19] <tmuwa> hi
[21:21] <superguest> I want to verify some information I got here about the Ubuntu software package versioning scheme.
[21:21] <superguest> Take GCC 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.2, for example.
 superguest: 0ubuntu indicates the corresponding upstream has not been release by Debian
[21:23] <superguest> yet, "<nacc> (The last) 1 indicates it's the first such ubuntu patch to the debian release"
[21:23] <superguest> oops.  I take a different example I came across
[21:23] <superguest> *Let's*
[21:26] <superguest> lol right when I need to find the right example to illustrate my question, I can't find it.
[21:26] <superguest> alright, I'll just ask it
[21:26] <superguest> is it safe to say when we have  "0ubuntuX"
[21:27] <superguest> that 'X' will not be 1?
[21:29] <Jordan_U> superguest: No.
[21:29] <superguest> again, I am basing that from "<nacc> superguest: 0ubuntu indicates the corresponding upstream has not been release by Debian"
[21:29] <superguest> and "<nacc> (The last) 1 indicates it's the first such ubuntu patch to the debian release"
[21:29] <clarkk> thank you for finding that page, ikonia. I tried the cryptkeeper system tray applet. It seems to work well, although I'm not sure where it stores the passwords. Thanks also to reisio, EriC^^, and ElinKattunge. Much appreciated
[21:32] <superguest> Hi Jordan_U! (I think we've met in #grub).  Yea.. just want to familiarize myself with the package versioning scheme.
[21:38] <lapion> As soon as I enable ipv4 in a networkmanager profile at next reboot a new default profile is created with ipv4 disabled..
[21:38] <lapion>  only way to enable ipv4 is to select a manually configured profile and activate t.
[21:50] <lurklord> Test
[21:51] <lurklord> Is there a guide on how to blacklist radeon so I can use the amdgpu driver? Help please.
[21:52] <ObrienDave> ther should be some kind of control panel to select which program you want to run on either GPU
[21:52] <reisio> lurklord: yes there is
[21:52] <lurklord> reisio: I would like to see it.
[21:54] <reisio> lurklord: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/4rs95z/disabling_the_radeon_driver_and_using_amdgpu/
[21:54] <vaindil> I'm running a process as www-data with supervisor and am trying to lock down a file to only www-data. The process is in fact running as www-data, I verified that. The process keeps getting access denied, however. Permissions on the file and directory are www-data:root 400. What could be wrong?
[21:55] <lurklord> reisio: thanks
[21:57] <DexterF> hi
[21:59] <vaindil> I'm an idiot, apparently I needed it to be 700 and not 400. -_- Sorry.
[21:59] <DexterF> setting up an intel baytrail box for a medi center. video acceleration does work (libva based) but has some tearing and scaling artifacts. intel devs suggest config thing since an older sandy brdige in comparison is fine. question: there's quite a list of libva packages and I wonder which of those might be better.
[22:00] <DexterF> I ran a standard install, but there's 8 diffeent libva-driver-abi-0.xy , then libva-drm1, -egl1, glx-1, tpi1 and whatnot
[22:03] <DexterF> egl seems to be for ES GL rather, so android and other embedded, but should I prefer glx or drm over libva-x11?
[22:05] <kidkid> hi
[22:05] <kidkid> There is couple of problems after installing ubuntu
[22:05] <kidkid> Is it right place? Who can I talk with?
[22:06] <kidkid> There is couple of problems after installing ubuntu. With who can I talk with?
[22:06] <ObrienDave> kidkid, just ask
[22:06] <kidkid> ObrienDave: are you  supporter?
[22:07] <ObrienDave> most everyone here is in one way or another
[22:07] <reisio> speak
[22:07] <ObrienDave> !ask
[22:07] <kidkid> 1. How to add windows to grub? 2. my fn+f5 is not working. (flight mode)
[22:08] <ObrienDave> kidkid, in terminal, sudo update-grub
[22:09] <ObrienDave> that should detect windows and add it to the GRUB menu
[22:10] <Fare> Does anyone understand cryptsetup + lvm?
[22:11] <Fare> I can't manage to tell ubuntu how to boot into my existing setup
[22:11] <reisio> I doubt anyone does
[22:12] <kidkid> ty
[22:13] <kidkid> how do i display window when pressing num lock, all fn keys
[22:13] <kidkid> how do i fix function/fn keys?
[22:16] <kidkid> what i am asking is not usual?
[22:20] <ObrienDave> kidkid, you're fine. probably no body has an answer for you
[22:20] <ObrienDave> !patience
[22:20] <kidkid> ty
[22:20] <kidkid> i think i have problem with my left touchpad
[22:21] <kidkid> but this is not problem
[22:22] <kidkid> I like when I reducing the volume sound but when you switch to flight mode you don't know if it really works on windows when i do fn+f5 key i see window and it changed to flight mode. also fn+f9 should open settings I believe.
[22:22] <kidkid> fn+f11 is on screen keyboard.
[22:23] <kidkid> I would like to know if I can help to fix this problem...
[22:28] <ninjapold> Hey, could someone point me in the right direction on Block Device management in Ubuntu 16.04 (presumably there's a SystemD way of handling connecting new block devices)
[22:30] <ninjapold> I'm having issues attaching Amazon EBS block devices to my Ubuntu 16.04 instance and I want to understand how disk attaching works in Ubuntu. It looks like AWS is saying it's a kernel/operating system issue rather than a VM/Xen issue.
[22:31] <ObrienDave> if you using a VM, ask in the channel for that VM system
[22:32] <ninjapold> It's Amazon Web Services
[22:33] <Ben64> http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/ebs-using-volumes.html
[22:33] <ninjapold> Whatever VM system they use. Some kind of Xen systen I think.
[22:33] <puffinz> Can't wait to get back on the road again
[22:34] <ninjapold> Ben64, I've read that already, nothing helpful unfortunately :(
[22:34] <Ben64> ninjapold: what do you mean, it's a step by step on how to use it
[22:34] <reisio> puffinz: why's that
[22:34] <puffinz> a tom jones song
[22:35] <ninjapold> Ben64, yeah but it gets stuck before it attaches to the instance.
[22:35] <tekeli-li> How to force reload of the file ~/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/desktop.conf for the current desktop session?
[22:36] <Ben64> ninjapold: then you're doing it wrong, or it's amazon's fault
[22:36] <Bray90820> Am I right that by default auto remove keeps 3 kernels?
[22:36] <reisio> tekeli-li: you can always do the mean way: stop the lxdesktop (or whatever) process/es & restart them
[22:37] <ninjapold> Ben64, not necessarily, if you read this, http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/device_naming.html, it explains how the kernel will try to rename the devices depending on how you ask Amazon/Xen to attach it.
[22:38] <ninjapold> So I'm just wondering if it is trying to do some renaming, fails (clashing with already mounted device or something else) and then refuses to mount the device.
[22:38] <tekeli-li> reisio, How would that be better than relogging?
[22:38] <ninjapold> Problem is, I can't find any event in syslog, dmesg or otherwise.
[22:38] <Ben64> yep, so either you're doing it wrong, or it's amazon's fault
[22:39] <reisio> tekeli-li: well it wouldn't require relogging
[22:39] <reisio> that can be better in many situations, and irrelevant in some
[22:39] <tekeli-li> reisio, I'll wait for my next restart. Thanks
[22:40] <ninjapold> Ben64, no reading material on how block devices are handled in 16.04?
[22:40] <Ben64> it's connected, and it works, the end
[22:40] <ObrienDave> Bray90820, current plus the last one
[22:41] <ninjapold> Ben64, well, according to the page you linked, the kernel can/will rename the block device when you attach it. Is there at least some documentation around what it will rename and what it renames it to?
[22:41] <Bray90820> ObrienDave: Well when I ran it it didn't remove la bunch of old kernels so I had to purge them manually
[22:41] <Ben64> it chooses the next available name
[22:41] <Ben64> but it isn't being connected so again, either you're doing it wrong, or amazon is messing up
[22:42] <ObrienDave> Bray90820, depends on how old they are. if you keep them current, it will be more automatic
[22:43] <ninjapold> Ben64, you can specify the device name in AWS and it seemingly renames it to an equivalent name when it gets attached and the kernel takes over, so it's not just the next available name.
[22:43] <CSGSJay> Are any of you guys aware of this? https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5ggl7c/the_intel_management_engine_me_theres_a_separate/
[22:44] <reisio> it has '/bitcoin/' in its path, so probably not, as I don't waste my time with such nonsense
[22:45] <Bray90820> ObrienDave: Well I was booted to 4.4.0-51 and it had kernels as far back as 4.4.0-31
[22:45] <ninjapold> Ben64, also I am not issuing the attach command manually, it's handled by Kubernetes which specifies a specific device name in the AWS API which is why it doesn't just pick the next name, it is expecting the kernel to accept the device name AWS passes to it.
[22:47] <Ben64> ninjapold: so give it a different name to test your hypothesis
[22:48] <CSGSJay> reisio: it was just posted there, but it;s pretty important
[22:48] <CSGSJay> :p
[22:48] <reisio> it's hard to imagine something being important and related to bitcoin, you're saying it's unrelated to it?
[22:49] <CSGSJay> Yea it's unrelated
[22:49] <CSGSJay> It affects all of us
[22:50] <ObrienDave> CSGSJay, it's NOT an Ubuntu issue. move along
[22:50] <CSGSJay> It affects any OS
[22:50] <Bray90820> ObrienDave: Is what I am experiencing normal there were like 5 or 6 different kernels from 4.4.0-31 to 4.4.0-51
[22:50] <ObrienDave> Bray90820, yes, pretty normal
[22:51] <Bray90820> Why didn't auto emove remove them?
[22:52] <Bray90820> *Autoremove
[22:52] <ObrienDave> too far back in the release. iirc
[22:52] <reisio> CSGSJay: how does it affect us?
[22:52] <ObrienDave> no feeding trolls ;P
[22:52] <CSGSJay> YOur processor is equipped with a backdoor
[22:52] <CSGSJay> that's how it affects you :p
[22:53] <reisio> CSGSJay: backdoor to what
[22:53] <CSGSJay> The Intel Management Engine (ME): There's a "separate chip that no one is allowed to audit or examine" in your Intel computer, "exposing every recent Intel system to the worst rootkits imaginable", with "a TCP/IP server on your network interface" that can "bypass any firewall running on your system"
[22:53] <Bray90820> ObrienDave: So it was to old for autoremove to detect them?
[22:53] <reisio> pretty sure anybody with physical access can examine whatever they please
[22:53] <CSGSJay> Same for AMD, ARM
[22:54] <reisio> CSGSJay: what do I care if a chip bypasses a firewall on my system?
[22:54] <ObrienDave> Bray90820, basically. not really sure how that works
[22:54] <Bray90820> Alright
[22:54] <CSGSJay> reisio: If you don't care about privacy it's totally fine
[22:54] <CSGSJay> Move along :p
[22:54] <reisio> CSGSJay: I care about actual threats, not merely posited ones
[22:55] <reisio> a day doesn't go by when someone doesn't yell about how they imagine something that isn't an issue is
[22:55] <CSGSJay> k
[22:55] <reisio> I'd be genuinely interested in an explanation as to how it actually directly would affect an end user
[22:55] <CSGSJay> If the chinese reverse engineer it, we're doomed
[22:56] <CSGSJay> it will give them remote access to our computers
[22:56] <reisio> how would it do that?
[22:56] <CSGSJay> If I knew i'd tell you
[22:57] <bekks> CSGSJay: So you're not concerned about HPE ILO, Dell iDRAC, IBM IMM, et al? :P
[22:57] <bekks> And besides that: how is it related to Ubuntu? :)
[22:57] <CSGSJay> I don't know
[22:58] <reisio> bookmarked, anyway
[22:59] <CSGSJay> you can apparently neutralize it  http://hardenedlinux.org/firmware/2016/11/17/neutralize_ME_firmware_on_sandybridge_and_ivybridge.html
[23:00] <ninjapold> Ben64, yeah I tried adding a disk with a different name before and it works. This time I'm leaving it untouched until I get a reply from AWS. Thanks for your help.
[23:01] <reisio> not sure it's really much worse than proprietary firmware ever has been
[23:02] <reisio> which is not to say that proprietary firmware hasn't always been very bad :p
[23:02] <nomic> why won't keyboard map from x2x client -> server  with virtualbox running windows 7 .. keyboard won't work
[23:03] <nomic> diff keys
[23:03] <nomic> mapped
[23:03] <nomic> f is e
[23:03] <nomic> a few keys
[23:03] <nomic> rite i've got to find keyboard
[23:06] <tom_ubun2> Hello alle
[23:06] <tom_ubun2> Can I install lxde next to xorg?
[23:07] <tom_ubun2> In the style of switching at the login screen that is...
[23:07] <jiffe> so I'm trying to install ubuntu 14.04 desktop and this machine has a few lvm partitions it looks like and the installer doesn't seem to want to let me delete those
[23:09] <jiffe> suppose I can go to the live session and remove from there
[23:09] <tom_ubun2> jiffe, Gparted may give you the partition editing you want
[23:10] <ALFA> salve
[23:10] <ALFA>  federica 14 anni
[23:10] <tom_ubun2> jiffe, I'm pretty sure it's on the live cd
[23:11] <arrenlex> I am trying to post on ubuntu forums. I went to the thread creation screen and typed up all my text, but when clicking 'preview post', it just says: You don't have permission to access /newthread.php on this server. Anyone seen this?
[23:15] <jiffe> gparted won't let me delete it either :\
[23:15] <bekks> jiffe: gparted shows one of them as swap, does it?
[23:17] <jiffe> it showed 3 partitions, 2 it let me delete, the 3rd it does not
[23:17] <bekks> jiffe: gparted shows one of them as swap, does it?
[23:17] <jiffe> it did, I was able to delete that
[23:18] <bekks> So can you create a screenshot of what you actually see now?
[23:18] <tepuy> hi
[23:19] <tepuy> solo inglies?
[23:19] <hggdh> tepuy: solo
[23:20] <tepuy> asi parece
[23:20]  * Fare uses qemu mounting /dev/sda read-only to test his attempts at configure dual-booting into ubuntu
[23:20] <tepuy> nadie en español
[23:21] <kidkid> http://askubuntu.com/questions/7205/battery-indicator-is-stuck-on-estimating
[23:21] <kidkid> since 2010 :(
[23:22] <jiffe> bekks: http://nsab.us/public/20161204_171930.jpg
[23:23] <kidkid> Fare: qemu website is dead??????
[23:23] <bekks> jiffe: you need to click "deactivate".
[23:23] <jiffe> I've done that
[23:23] <bekks> jiffe: And?
[23:24] <jiffe> that was one of the first things I did
[23:24] <jiffe> that doesn't change anything
[23:24] <bekks> jiffe: So open a terminal and remove the LV, VG and PV prior continuing your install.
[23:25] <Fare> kidkid: it says firewalled, to me
[23:25] <Fare> I'll go Hillary and blame russian hackers
[23:26] <jiffe> bekks: that doesn't seem to work either, it complains about thin provisioning and asks me to repair
[23:26] <bekks> jiffe: Can you pastebin/screenshot the exact commands you are using and the exact error messages you get?
[23:27] <kidkid> יצצ
[23:27] <kidkid> lol
[23:28] <kidkid> Fare: can ping qemu.org and i get response from qemu.osuosl.org
[23:29] <kidkid> curl: (7) Failed to connect to qemu.org port 80: Connection refused
[23:29] <kidkid> kkk
[23:29] <jiffe> bekks: http://nsab.us/public/screen2.png
[23:30] <bekks> jiffe: And you did what it tells you to do?
[23:30] <Bashing-om> arrenlex: Yeah, the forum has some issues . See/report here -> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2331266 .
[23:31] <kidkid> so let me know guys if anyone can fix fn keys: I have lenovo laptop and does fn keys not work: fn+f11(keyboard logo), fn+f10(search logo), fn+f9(settings logo)
[23:31] <jiffe> thin_dump is not available
[23:31] <jiffe> I'm about ready to just cat /dev/zero to /dev/sda
[23:32] <kidkid> jiffe: send it to /dev/null
[23:33] <arrenlex> Bashing-om: That thread looks like it's from July?
[23:33] <kidkid> Am I the only one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upower/+bug/629258
[23:34] <kidkid> Welcome carlos
[23:34] <carlos_> hola
[23:34] <Blakes5> Hey everyone. I'm looking for a way to have a directory that is encrypted that I can throw stuff into and take out of without having the whole file system encrypted. I've tried encfs and I'm getting a whopping 1MB/s out of a USB drive capable of at least 20MB/s and I'm not going above 20% CPU utilization.
[23:35] <kidkid> Welcome tuxedo connection_lost
[23:35] <kidkid> xD
[23:36] <tuxedo> hello
[23:36] <Bashing-om> arrenlex: Contunuing condition .. moderators and IS keep pounding away on the problems .
[23:36] <arrenlex> Bashing-om: So no one has been able to post anything for six months? Or is it intermittent? (I tried 3 times)
[23:36] <tuxedo> google nexus 7 2nd edition
[23:37] <tuxedo> can I put ubuntu touch on it?
[23:37] <Blakes5> anyone know anything abotu encfs?
[23:37] <Fare> so... does anyone understand crypttab, cryptsetup, cryptroot, lvm?
[23:37] <FJB-Guy> any help on debugging a c file like plan optimizer with gdb?
[23:37] <Blakes5> Fare - a little bit
[23:37] <stan_man_can> Anyone know when ubuntu is going to get an up to date version of certbot/letsencrypt?
[23:38] <ObrienDave> Blakes5, look into VersaCrypt
[23:38] <ikonia> FJB-Guy: try #gcc and ##c++ channel
[23:38] <bekks> jiffe: Which directories did you check for thin_dump?
[23:38] <Blakes5> ObrienDave - have you used encfs?
[23:38] <ObrienDave> no
[23:38] <Bashing-om> arrenlex: It is intermittent in "some" postings .. If ya check " find all my posts " ya may see that you have posted . - we have discovered a few work-a-rounds when we are struck .
[23:39] <Blakes5> ObrienDave - it's easy enough to use....performance is horrible though.
[23:39] <Blakes5> ObrienDave - so Veracrypt is the successor of Truecrypt.....man that was a nice program to use.
[23:40] <arrenlex> Bashing-om: I clicked 'latest posts' and it says 'vBulletin Message Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.'
[23:42] <Fare> Blakes5, I have an existing cryptsetup + lvm configuration from NixOS, with a partition in my lvm reserved for Ubuntu. Ubuntu works fine in chroot, but trying to convince it to build a proper initramfs is... challenging
[23:43] <kidkid> guys.. I don't have manual grub.. see: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/yakkety/en/man8/grub.8.html but Fare No manual entry for grub
[23:43] <kidkid> sorry Fare for pinging no idea why I did that!
[23:44] <kidkid> I wanted to say that on my ubuntu I don't have that manual page. Hope it clears now!!
[23:44] <Bashing-om> arrenlex: From 'quick links' -> 'find all my post ' ?
[23:44] <Fare> kidkid, I have no problem with grub, but I have trouble with initramfs
[23:44] <Blakes5> Fare - when I said a little I wasn't being humble :) Sorry. I've run into a few problems that I've had to solve but nothing like what you're running into.
[23:44] <Fare> Blakes5, what is your cryptroot setup?
[23:44] <Fare> do you have a /etc/crypttab ?
[23:45] <arrenlex> Bashing-om: yes
[23:45] <ObrienDave> Blakes5, that's why I suggested it :)
[23:46] <Blakes5> Fare - I'm not booting anything from encrypted drives presently.
[23:46] <Fare> oh, ok
[23:47] <Fare> is anyone here using cryptroot?
[23:47] <kidkid> not me sir
[23:47] <kidkid> i can google for you x) just ask
[23:47] <Bashing-om> arrenlex: Join #ubuntuforums and discuss the issue there . The forum issue is really not on topic for this channel :)
[23:47]  * Fare goes hunting for debian documentation, in the hopes it is similar in this respect...
[23:47] <arrenlex> Bashing-om: Didn't know that existed. Thanks! :)
[23:47] <Bashing-om> arrenlex: see ya there :)
[23:48] <kidkid> man
[23:48] <kidkid> i could help fjb-guy
[23:48] <kidkid> Welcome chipk
[23:49] <chipk> hello
[23:49] <kidkid> Welcome astarus237
[23:58] <jayjo> is it possible to switch a window placement to a second monitor after the application is launched?