[06:04] <hikiko> hi
[06:42] <happyaron> hikiko: hey, :)
[06:45] <happyaron> pitti: hi, I pushed a new branch to n-m repo, for xenial SRU of 1.2.4, mind to have a look?
[07:13]  * desrt wakes up with an IRC hangover
[07:13] <desrt> looks like OFTC was a fun place to be last night
[07:15] <andyrock> morning
[07:15] <desrt> good morning
[07:16]  * desrt finds the "delete active private messages" button on irccloud to be surprisingly useful
[07:16] <andyrock> desrt: did you get spam too?
[07:17] <desrt> i woke up with about 10000 (seriously) new queries
[07:17] <desrt> from _aawjeeoijweofji to zzerjgeoijwe
[07:17] <desrt> (names approximate)
[07:17] <andyrock> same here
[07:18] <desrt> morning, seb
[07:35] <hikiko> hi happyaron pitti desrt andyrock
[07:35] <desrt> good morning
[08:09] <pitti> Good morning! Hello from Sevilla
[08:30] <happyaron> morning desrt pitti seb128
[08:30] <desrt> happyaron: hey :)
[08:57] <willcooke> Good morning all
[08:57] <willcooke> A rather chilly minus 3 here today
[09:00] <seb128> hey willcooke
[09:00] <seb128> had a good w.e?
[09:00] <Laney> moin!
[09:00] <seb128> hey pitti
[09:00] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:00] <seb128> how are you? had a good w.e?
[09:00] <seb128> didn't wait for the bbc this morning?
[09:01] <pitti> seb128, Laney, willcooke: ¡bueons dias!
[09:01]  * pitti waves from Seville
[09:01] <pitti> seb128: greetings back from StevenK!
[09:02] <seb128> pitti, ola!
[09:02] <seb128> pitti, thanks!
[09:02] <seb128> pitti, had a nice w.e/trip to spain? How is Sevilla?
[09:02] <Laney> oh
[09:02] <Laney> forgot it was the sprint!
[09:02] <pitti> seb128: haven't seen much of it -- I only landed at 19:30, it was dark and raining cats and dogs
[09:03] <pitti> but looking nice this morning
[09:03] <pitti> we'll have a scavenger hunt tomorrow evening, then we can actually see $outside
[09:03] <pitti> seb128: and Nuernberg on Saturday was nice too; hung out with Steve and visited the Emperor castle and the christmas market
[09:03] <seb128> ah, nice
[09:04] <seb128> mulled wine and nice food?
[09:04] <Laney> seb128: no, I was watching tv instead and that finished earlier than 09:00 ;-)
[09:04] <seb128> :-)
[09:04] <pitti> seb128: we had food in a nice pub, so just the Gluehwein and Gluehbier on the market :)
[09:05] <seb128> Gluehbier?
[09:05] <seb128> like warm beer?
[09:06] <pitti> yes, with spices; surprisingly good
[09:06] <desrt> we have this here too
[09:06] <desrt> i was... afraid
[09:06] <seb128> I wouldn't dare trying
[09:06] <desrt> willcooke: good morning :)
[09:06] <willcooke> hey desrt
[09:06] <seb128> warm and beer that doesn't work
[09:06] <desrt> thanks for the +1
[09:06] <seb128> hey desrt
[09:06] <desrt> morning seb :)
[09:08] <seb128> looks like those Bluehbier are not even German, they import it from Belgium
[09:10] <seb128> "The fruits and spices found in Glühbier are one of the biggest reasons it is so hard to find in Germany. Technically, German brewers can't even make it. They adhere to the German Beer Purity Law, which states beer may only consist of malt, hops, yeast, and water."
[09:10] <desrt> lol.  yay for european free trade
[09:11] <desrt> probably explains why it's so easy to find around here.. .pretty quick trip across the border
[09:14] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:16] <flexiondotorg> Morning seb128 Laney davidcalle desrt willcooke pitti happyaron andyrock hikiko
[09:16] <seb128> hey davmor2
[09:16] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg
[09:16] <happyaron> hey guys
[09:16] <flexiondotorg> How is everyone?
[09:17] <hikiko> morning flexiondotorg seb128 Laney willcooke davidcalle and everyone :p
[09:18] <hikiko> we could write a script that says hello to every nick listed here :)
[09:18] <willcooke> hey happyaron, did you manage to get the 1.2.4 NM -> X finished on Friday?
[09:19] <happyaron> willcooke: yep, in git now
[09:19] <willcooke> happyaron, nice one!!
[09:23] <seb128_> hey hikiko happyaron
[09:23] <seb128_> (sorry, ip change and irc didn't like it)
[09:23] <davmor2> Bon jour seb128
[09:24] <happyaron> :)
[09:35] <seb128_> happyaron, btw did you see that upstream rolled out 1.2.6 updates on friday? ;-)
[09:35] <seb128_> there seems to be little changes in those though
[09:35] <happyaron> yes I saw that
[09:35] <seb128_> just fixing some issues from previous ones so maybe worth going for those directly?
[09:36] <happyaron> haven't looked at details yet, can do tomorrow
[09:38] <happyaron> (time to off today, :D
[09:39] <seb128_> happyaron, enjoy your evening!
[09:39] <happyaron> ty
[10:18] <Sweet5hark> moin
[10:22] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey, how are you? had a good w.e?
[10:28] <Sweet5hark> seb128: weekend was mixed. good stuff: two family birthday parties. bad stuff: grandma had a stroke and visiting her under intensive care in the hospital ...
[10:30] <seb128> Sweet5hark, urg, sorry to read that :-( hope she's going to get better
[10:30] <Sweet5hark> seb128: Thankful that we still have her around though. Hardly anything one can take for granted with someone born in 191 ...
[10:30] <Sweet5hark> 1921
[10:31] <seb128> right...
[10:59] <hikiko> hey :) question: any tricks to accelerate the build apart from distcc that accelerates it but not so much as I'd like it too... :)
[10:59] <hikiko> what do you do when you have to build huge projects?
[11:01] <popey> if I am building over and over again I use ccache
[11:01] <popey> also, build on someone elses faster computer :)
[11:02] <hikiko> like a build server?
[11:02] <hikiko> tried ccache and distcc it does accelerate it but not that much
[11:04] <hikiko> no miracles :)
[11:04] <popey> ccache is only really useful if you repeatedly build something
[11:05] <popey> also, I use PPAs or remote VPSs for big things I don't want to bog my laptop down with
[11:05] <popey> but yeah, no magic bullets
[11:06] <hikiko> yeah the build server needs about the same time according to qengho
[11:06] <hikiko> 1hr or so for a clean build
[11:07] <hikiko> so I guess, I'll just switch tasks in the meantime or: https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/compiling.png
[11:07] <hikiko> (just kidding about the 2nd)
[11:07] <hikiko> :p
[11:49] <Trevinho> Laney: hey, I've some job for you :-)
[11:49] <Trevinho> https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2208
[11:51] <Laney> Trevinho: I've seen that before ...
[11:52] <Laney> didn't I already do it?
[11:52] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah, it probably wasn't published because of a missing approval, tho
[11:53] <Laney>  2016-11-30 14:04:36 +0000 (laney) Publish failed: Bad merges
[11:53] <Laney> mmm
[11:53] <Trevinho> :-)
[11:53] <Laney> AZZARONE
[11:53] <Trevinho> yeah, I didn't noticed that it was something missing
[11:53] <Trevinho> ahaha
[11:53] <Trevinho> which... behind the scenes, has some similarity with some imprecation too :-D
[11:56]  * Laney tries again :|
[11:57] <Trevinho> just add an L in front... OR a C :-D... I'll leave that for you in a wordreference exercise ;-)
[12:03]  * Laney sucks at google translate :P
[12:05] <Laney> seb128: can you run new-binary-debian-universe please? :-)
[12:05] <Laney> #ubuntu-please-do-me-favours
[12:08] <hikiko> Trevinho, busy?
[12:08] <Trevinho> Laney: well, wordreference can help more in general, as it has more terms :-)
[12:08] <Trevinho> hikiko: nope, hey!
[12:09] <hikiko> hey :)
[12:09] <hikiko> I am gonna ask you a few questions in prv if you have some time to not flood this channel :)
[12:19] <Laney> intriguing
[12:35] <Laney> https://twitter.com/SoVeryBritish/status/805752333275721728
[12:52] <seb128> hey Trevinho, how are you? had a good w.e?
[12:53] <Laney> Trevinho: do you have an election now or just a new PM?
[12:53] <seb128> Laney, done for n-b-d-u
[12:53] <Laney> thanks <3
[12:54] <Laney> may this hell end
[12:56] <Trevinho> seb128: hey... Well it was good, then sad because of the referendum results... It's just incredibile how people wants change, then when they can get it, they just protest again.
[12:57] <Trevinho> Laney: hard to say yet... The president has to decide. He's not obliged, but it will be hard to find a majority in parliament now
[12:58] <Trevinho> So... Probably some interim government, then elections
[12:58] <seb128> they don't want that sort of change
[12:58] <seb128> they want somebody to throw the table
[12:59] <seb128> seems like it's a time where people are just angry and take any opportunity to vote against anything coming from etablished political groups
[13:03] <Trevinho> Yeah... But this vortex won't ever end. Since at some point, everybody has to become "the power" to attack.
[13:04] <seb128> well it might
[13:04] <seb128> I don't know much how it is in italy
[13:05] <seb128> but for countries which alternate between the same 2 parties all the time the people got used to share the power and it looks like they don't feel like they need to keep honest, they are just spoiled
[13:06] <seb128> having a few elections like the Trump one might bring them back to reality and to realize they need to get work done and work for the country, just don't keep doing nice random void speeches and blaming the ones currently in charge waiting their turn at the next election to change nothing
[13:18] <Trevinho> Well, we never had a single-color government for years, so... It's also that...
[13:21] <Trevinho> people doesn't really likes compromises, thus the actual democracy.
[13:25] <seb128> not sure about that, but they don't like that politics keep saying things until they are elected and not do anything of what they said then
[14:54] <Laney> argh
[14:54] <Laney>  libqt5qml5 : Depends: libdouble-conversion1v5 (>= 2.0.0) but it is not installable
[14:54] <Laney> more transitions
[15:57]  * Laney has made a directory called "hell" to work in
[15:57]  * Laney is definitely not overly dramatic
[15:57] <dobey> Laney: golang? :)
[15:58] <Laney> actually not yet
[15:58] <Laney> been trying to migrate some stuff from proposed for ages
[15:58] <Laney> every time I look it's gotten worse
[16:00] <Laney> http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/04/21/blob_like_fatberg_removed_from_london_sewer.html
[16:00] <Laney> something like that
[16:05] <seb128> the start of the cycle autosync transitions can be fun indeed...
[16:07] <Laney> this is particularly bad
[16:07] <dobey> Laney: yeah, mesa/glibc is broken at the moment, so good luck :)
[16:07] <Laney> someone go upload poppler to complete the set
[16:08] <seb128> it's in the sponsoring queue!
[16:09] <seb128> oh, no
[16:09] <seb128> I though it was
[16:09] <Laney> :|
[16:09] <Laney> oh
[16:09] <Laney> :D
[16:09] <seb128> bug #1639478
[16:10] <seb128> he was waiting for the gdal transition to complete before subscribing sponsors
[16:10] <Laney> sensible
[16:10] <seb128> was->is
[16:10] <seb128> yeah
[16:10] <Laney> that is this one
[16:10] <seb128> no fun
[16:10] <seb128> in the good old days we would just have uploaded
[16:10] <Laney> didn't have migration back then
[16:10] <Laney> those were happy days
[16:10] <seb128> indeed
[16:10] <Laney> just get half your system uninstalled
[16:10] <seb128> blame it on p_itti!
[16:11] <seb128> :-)
[16:11] <Laney> figured out a way to upload qtdeclarative anyway
[16:12] <Laney> silos are the best
[16:12] <Laney> for bootstrapping stuff
[16:13] <seb128> heh
[16:13] <seb128> pitti, cyphermox, hey, did you see that https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/1.2.2-0ubuntu0.16.04.2 seemed to create some DNS issues (for VPN users?)
[16:13] <seb128> e.g bug #1633003
[16:13] <seb128> or the SRU bug has a comment about a regression as well
[16:16] <cyphermox> seb128: I wasn't really watching those, Aron has been maintaining NM?
[16:16] <cyphermox> and that bug is incredibly unclear and confusing
[16:18] <seb128> cyphermox, bug #1633874 might be better/have more info
[16:19] <seb128> cyphermox, or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1592721/comments/9
[16:20] <seb128> cyphermox, and yeah, happyaron is maintaining it but that SRU has your name and pitti's on it so I'm going with the principle of "who is creating a regression is owning it", especially whoever is doing a change has more context on the change and it makes sense for them to follow up rather than asking to somebody else to try to understand what has been done and why to try to figure out the issue then
[16:21] <cyphermox> I don't know that my name is on that, pitti has been driving the DNS resolution magic
[16:21] <cyphermox> that doesn't mean that I won't look, just that I don't have much context
[16:21] <seb128> +++ network-manager-1.2.2/debian/patches/dns-manager-don-t-merge-split-DNS-search-domains.patch	2016-09-27 08:33:54.000000000 +0000
[16:21] <seb128> @@ -0,0 +1,109 @@
[16:21] <seb128> +From: Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre <mathieu.trudel-lapierre@canonical.com>
[16:21] <meetingology> seb128: Error: "@" is not a valid command.
[16:22] <seb128> cyphermox, oh well, thanks, going to check with pitti what's going on then and why he wrote your name in there
[16:22] <cyphermox> that's a very old patch
[16:22] <seb128> well it was added in the SRU creating the regression
[16:22] <seb128> see http://launchpadlibrarian.net/286824187/network-manager_1.2.2-0ubuntu0.16.04.1_1.2.2-0ubuntu0.16.04.2.diff.gz
[16:22] <cyphermox> really? because seems like it was in before that, IIRC
[16:22] <cyphermox> oh
[16:22] <cyphermox> nevermind
[16:22] <cyphermox> that's unlikely to be the cause for the regression
[16:23] <cyphermox> (in fact, it should be *fixing* such issues, except not some other similar problems)
[16:23] <seb128> cyphermox, #1633003 states
[16:23] <seb128> "After downloading version 1.2.2-0ubuntu0.16.04.1 copies of libnm-glib-vpn1:amd64 libnm-glib4:amd64 libnm-util2:amd64 libnm0:amd64 network-manager:amd64 and installing them via: sudo -H dpkg -i *.deb my name resolution started working again."
[16:23] <cyphermox> as above, this is a complicated matter, and people in general don't understand how VPNs and split tunnelling in the first place
[16:25] <seb128> cyphermox, reading #1633874 it seems the user just connect to a vpn configured with the gui and add a dns in the corresponding config tab
[16:25] <seb128> cyphermox, http://neartalk.com/ss/2016-10-16_001_601x625.png
[16:25] <cyphermox> like I said, that's not how VPNs work
[16:25] <cyphermox> split tunnelling isn't that simple
[16:26] <cyphermox> (and given dnsmasq, it's explicitly not running things in order of appearance)
[16:28] <seb128> can you maybe add a comment on #1633874 saying that?
[16:28] <cyphermox> hum
[16:28] <seb128> the user has been doing quite some work
[16:28] <cyphermox> in this context I suppose it *is* a kind of regression
[16:28] <cyphermox> I'm looking at the code to figure out what's the best course of action
[16:31] <seb128> cyphermox, sorry to bother you, I just crossed that bug and the user has been downgrading is machine, trying in fresh vms, downgrading packages etc to try to find the issue so it would be nice to give him some ack so he doesn't feel ignored
[16:31] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks! :-)
[16:31] <seb128> cyphermox, also was that patch upstreamed? there is no bugzilla reference
[16:33] <cyphermox> it might not have been, I'm not sure.
[16:33] <cyphermox> maybe only on the ML
[16:35] <seb128> k
[16:35] <seb128> cyphermox, pitti, bug #1647133 and bug #1647066 also on zesty after the recent changes
[16:36] <seb128> cyphermox, sorry, it was slangasek who was mentioned in that one not you
[16:41] <cyphermox> well, I already know about the latter, stgraber and I were discussing that in the airport this weekend :)
[16:41] <seb128> k, I assumed there would be some direct discussions about it ;-)
[17:02] <cyphermox> seb128: it's a very complicated issue in general, and we've been moving in the right direction to making things work, but all of it needs still lots more love.
[17:03] <cyphermox> tbf though, the patch you pointed to is quite unlikely to be the culprit (after I've reviewed it thoroughly). I think it's a problem with another patch I may or may not have written that may or may not have gone away with a merge, from the look of things
[17:03] <cyphermox> but even then, it wouldn't apply anymore since NM reorganized a bunch of that code
[17:03]  * cyphermox is ripping his hair out)
[17:04] <cyphermox> I updated the bug and I'll wait for people to add more information
[17:07] <Laney> seb128: can you terminate gyoto from zesty-proposed please?
[17:07] <Laney> it doesn't build, needs rebuilding, want to upload the older one which works
[17:09] <Laney> in fact even 1.1.1-3 worked
[17:09] <Laney> not sure if that version can be resurrected
[17:28] <kenvandine> attente, your content-hub glib bindings are in the process of landing
[17:29] <kenvandine> attente, in zesty-proposed, once that migrates to release it'll merge your branch
[17:29] <attente> kenvandine: great, thanks!
[17:29] <kenvandine> attente, i'll look forward to the gtk branch landing :)
[17:31] <attente> me too ;)
[17:36] <Laney> back in a bit
[17:51] <seb128> Laney, delete it?
[17:51] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[18:24] <seb128> have a nice evening desktopers
[18:47] <flexiondotorg> Goodnight desktopers
[19:59] <robert_ancell> willcooke, o/
[19:59] <robert_ancell> Guess I better look at bug 1646784
[19:59] <willcooke> hey robert_ancell be with you in a few mins
[20:00] <dobey> hmm
[20:00] <dobey> when one sets the default apps in system settings, where the heck is that setting actually stored?!
[20:01] <davmor2> dobey: dconf
[20:03] <dobey> davmor2: uhm, not afaict. where exactly?
[20:03] <davmor2> dobey: more of an assumption the other option would be gconf
[20:04] <dobey> it's definitely not gconf
[20:04] <dobey> i thought maybe it set it in a file in ~/.local/share/applications/ but i don't see evidence there either
[20:05] <davmor2> dobey: update-alternatives maybe?
[20:07] <davmor2> dobey: try /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives
[20:10] <dobey> no, it's a user setting, not a system one
[20:32] <willcooke> night all