[19:37] <fossfreedom> Hi all - project lead of Ubuntu Budgie here.  I know the sponsors queue is very full at the moment - just wondering if anyone can spare a little bit of time to give us some feedback with our ubuntu-budgie-meta package currently in the queue?  Think this is the last step before asking for ISOs to be produced ... correct?
[19:40] <mapreri> tbh, except usual packaging stuff (like, why didn't you use a DEP5 copyright in 2016?) I wouldn't even know what to look into such package.
[19:40] <mapreri> and "Copyright 2004" that looks kinda old
[19:41] <mapreri> and, I doubt that is canonical backed anyway, so it can't be all copyright canonical now, can it.
[19:42] <mapreri> fossfreedom: are you ok if I drop stuff here, or would you rather prefer to have me write this on the bug report?
[19:43] <fossfreedom> if you can drop it in the bug report I can then plough my way through that. cheers
[19:44] <fossfreedom> FYI - talking through with Jeremy Bicha - start point was the ubuntu-gnome-meta package
[19:46] <mapreri> fossfreedom: you're saying: you just took the ubuntu-gnome-meta package, and construct ubuntu-budgie-meta around it?
[19:47] <fossfreedom> correct ... was I wrong to start from that?
[19:47] <mapreri> that's good.  Just is very common for ubuntu-only packages to not be up to current best practice (where instead *some* debian maintainers are very good at)
[19:47] <mapreri> so in this case dep5 copyright.  and since 2 months debhelper 10.
[19:48] <fossfreedom> will fix that.
[19:48] <mapreri> fossfreedom: btw, why are you not using Architecture:any?   IOW: what's up with s390x?
[19:48] <mapreri> (well, I know you're not going to run  a desktop there, probably, but still)
[19:49] <mapreri> fossfreedom: Maintainer: wouldn't be better to have a group here?
[19:49] <fossfreedom> tbh - no idea about s390x - it was in the ubuntu-gnome-meta package.
[19:50] <fossfreedom> does the group come from the developer-membership-board? - I could just use the team name ubuntubudgie-dev
[19:51] <mapreri> "  * Skip build of s390x while it is incomplete and uninstallable" (from 2015-12-23).  I suggest you reinstate Arch:any for the first upload at least, and possibly tweak later.
[19:51] <fossfreedom> k - thnx
[19:52] <mapreri> looking always at the ubuntu-gnome-meta it uses ubuntu-gnome@lists.u.c/ LP ~ubuntu-gnome.  Dunno, do you have any list on lists.u.c yet?  (no idea how those are handled)
[19:53] <mapreri> otherwise you could create a ML on ~ubuntubudgie-dev and use that, I guess.  In general is very very rare for ubuntu packages to have a single human maintainer, given that the concept of Maintainer in ubuntu is very much meaningless.
[19:54] <fossfreedom> k - will hit the "ccreate a mailing list" button here https://launchpad.net/~ubuntubudgie-dev
[19:55] <mapreri> well, same for https://code.launchpad.net/~fossfreedom/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-budgie.zesty :)  I suggest you move to the same team (you can do it anytime later too, don't do it now :))
[19:57] <fossfreedom> :)
[19:59] <mapreri> right
[19:59] <mapreri> W: ubuntu-budgie-meta source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.9.7 (current is 3.9.8)
[19:59] <mapreri> W: ubuntu-budgie-desktop: description-synopsis-starts-with-article
[20:00] <mapreri> fossfreedom: shall I copy all of this to the bug?
[20:00] <fossfreedom> I can do that. cheers
[20:01] <mapreri> oh last thing: in the Architecture field of that binary you have a trailing whitespace
[20:02] <mapreri> guess this is all; there is only so much about a metapackage :3
[20:02] <mapreri> if you manage to update it soon I might also upload it, btw.  Or later, I might watch a movie now, if I manage to pick one :)
[20:02] <fossfreedom> cracking on with it now.  Shouldn't take long (famous last words) ... thanks for your time!
[21:07] <fossfreedom> ping mapreri - I have revised the package and bug-report - details of the changes are on the bug-report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1645234
[22:56] <mapreri> fossfreedom: ack, 5 minutes and I'll look at it again
[22:57] <mapreri> uh, you didn't really need to copy-paste the whole raw discussion on the bug :)
[22:58] <fossfreedom> oops
[23:19] <mapreri> oh, well, more like 20 minutes after all
[23:20] <fossfreedom> ah - well - must have been a good movie!
[23:23] <mapreri> recently I've been making up for not have watched a whole lot of important movies of the "past", like Pirates of the Caribbean, which I've never watched till this year....
[23:24] <mapreri> fossfreedom: why did desktop-{recommends,}-s390x disappeared?  won't that lead to an package without any dependency in s390x?
[23:25] <fossfreedom> oh - I thought that is what you were recommending - I've removed all the s390x references so I presume no builds will result.
[23:26] <mapreri> uh, no
[23:27] <mapreri> Sorry I've been unclear.
[23:28] <mapreri> I meant, just build the whole s390x package fully, and if needed then (after it has been uploaded, built, accepted, etc) possibly tweak it to account for whatever problems there might be there (but I can't foresee any, and if there are it'd probably be better to fix them elsewhere).
[23:28] <fossfreedom> k - so I should re-add the s390x stuff again?
[23:29] <mapreri> yes please
[23:29] <fossfreedom> k - looking at this now.  cheers.
[23:30] <mapreri> don't worry about the version; I can just put it to 0.1 locally before the actual final upload, if you'd like 0.1 as a first version :)
[23:55] <fossfreedom> mapreri: have now refreshed the package with s390x.  Yes please with the 0.1 version!
[23:57] <mapreri> --- ubuntu-budgie-meta-0.1/debootstrap-version	2016-12-05 21:55:20.000000000 +0100
[23:57] <mapreri> +++ ubuntu-budgie-meta-0.1.1/debootstrap-version	2016-12-06 00:45:33.000000000 +0100
[23:57] <mapreri> @@ -1 +1 @@
[23:57] <mapreri> -1.0.81+nmu1ubuntu1.2
[23:57] <mapreri> +1.0.81
[23:57] <mapreri> fossfreedom: why is this now? ↑↑ (I admit I have no clue what that file is)
[23:58] <fossfreedom> 1.0.81 is the zesty version - nmu1ubuntu1.2 was a carry over from some old version ubuntu-gnome-meta had - apparently the current version in zesty is 1.0.81ubuntu3 but I guess this will change over the development cycle
[23:59] <mapreri> ok