[05:24] <Kilos> so wake up za
[05:35] <paddatrapper> Morning oom Kilos
[05:37] <Kilos> hi chesedo inetpro paddatrapper superfly 
[05:37] <paddatrapper> Highlights should wake everyone 
[05:37] <Kilos> paddatrapper when you have nothing to do and are bored, can you help me get ekiga working on 14.04 please
[05:37] <Kilos> no rush at all
[05:38] <paddatrapper> Kilos: ok. What's ekiga? 
[05:38] <Kilos> i need to do it on 14.04 because i have 14.04 installed on debs lappy but it wont connect
[05:38] <Kilos> same as skype
[05:38] <Kilos> voip
[05:39] <Kilos> on my 16.04 it works but not on 14.04
[05:39] <paddatrapper> Ah ok
[05:39] <Kilos> there many posts of it online but i cant get any of their fixes to work
[05:39] <paddatrapper> Sure can take a look. Probably only tomorrow though 
[05:39] <Kilos> we use skype atm so no rush
[05:40] <Kilos> couple weeks is fine as well lad
[05:40] <paddatrapper> Cool. I'll see how tomorrow pans out then 
[05:40] <Kilos> ty
[05:41] <Kilos> ohi pavlushka 
[05:41] <pavlushka> Heylo Kilos :)
[05:43] <Kilos> hi Xethron thatgraemeguy tumbleweed MaNI ludo jerit and drussell too
[05:43] <thatgraemeguy> morning
[05:43] <thatgraemeguy> what happened with all this PM spam?
[05:44] <Kilos> did you also get it?
[05:44] <Kilos> pavlushka sorted his side so only registered nicks are allowed
[05:45] <pavlushka> thatgraemeguy: "/umode +R" and you are in #freenode channel I guess.
[05:45] <pavlushka> thatgraemeguy: no, you are not in there
[05:46] <thatgraemeguy> nope
[05:58] <pavlushka> thatgraemeguy: that mode set to allow only reg nicks to pm you
[07:07] <chesedo> morning paddatrapper Kilos- pavlushka thatgraemeguy and others
[07:07] <pavlushka> morning chesedo :)
[07:08] <paddatrapper> morning chesedo 
[07:09] <thatgraemeguy> 'lo
[09:44] <superfly> Kilos: ekiga is not the same as skype. You can't ekiga to ekiga, you need a SIP server
[09:45] <Kilos> hi superfly when i run ekiga on 16.04 i can do the echo test but on 14.04 it doesnt work
[09:46] <Kilos> i actually managed to send a couple of text messages to debs lappy then it stopped connecting
[09:46] <superfly> Kilos: I doubt an echo test needs a SIP server, it's just to check that your microphone is working.
[09:46] <Kilos> so what do i do ?
[09:46] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:46] <Kilos> i think it runs through a sip server at ekiga
[09:47] <superfly> Kilos: the reality is that 14.04 is a dead OS for desktop
[09:47] <Kilos> thats our ids
[09:47] <superfly> Kilos: ah, I see, they do have a SIP server
[09:47] <Kilos> yes but her old ibm lappy is too underpowered for 16.04
[09:48] <Kilos> yes my id is sip:kilos@ekiga.net i think
[09:48] <Kilos> or ekiga.com
[09:51] <superfly> .net
[09:52] <superfly> Kilos: you'd need to upgrade ekiga on 14.04. That's a version that is over 2 years old. 2 years in technology time is like 50 years in human time.
[09:52] <superfly> Kilos: maybe find a PPA
[09:54] <Kilos> i will try that ty. i have 14.04 on an external here so ill get it working here first then get tara to do the setup for her mom
[09:55] <Kilos> ive read so much about probs peeps had with 14.04 but havent managed to get any of their fixes to work
[09:59] <Kilos> and im trying to find a wiring problem in ians golf, that has made it lose spark
[10:07] <Langjan> Hi guys
[10:07] <Kilos> hi Langjan 
[10:07] <Kilos> what broke
[10:07] <Kilos> hehe
[10:07] <Langjan> Hoe gaan dit vandag?
[10:07] <Langjan> lmga
[10:07] <Langjan> Unity
[10:08] <Kilos> ok dankie en daar
[10:08] <Kilos> hhahahahaha
[10:08] <Langjan> goed dankie
[10:08] <Kilos> what broke
[10:08] <Langjan> still sukkeling with my video players
[10:08] <Langjan> check my email for details
[10:09] <Kilos> use vlc
[10:09] <Kilos> its all i use
[10:09] <Kilos> plays everything
[10:10] <Langjan> I remember having tried that also but no harm in another go
[10:10] <Langjan> Its already installed
[10:11] <Langjan> conflict?
[10:11] <Kilos> vlc gives conflict?
[10:11] <Langjan> must I uninstall all the flash stuff?
[10:11] <Kilos> vlc runs on its own
[10:12] <Kilos> make sure you havent got another player using the file same time
[10:12] <Langjan> so if I have the flash stuff there and vlc there could be a conflict problem?
[10:12] <theblazehen> Flash stuff sucks. Remove flash.
[10:12] <Kilos> no
[10:12] <Langjan> Hi theblazehen 
[10:12] <theblazehen> If it doesn't run with html5 in browser then mpv should play it
[10:12] <theblazehen> Hi Langjan, Kilos
[10:13] <Kilos> reinstall all vlc related packages in synaptic, im sure there will be updates 
[10:13] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[10:13] <Kilos> leme see ian off, he going to bosch for spares
[10:13] <Langjan> theres a long list of vlc stuff I never know which are needed
[10:18] <Kilos> all the installed ones
[10:18] <Kilos> reinstall
[10:18] <Kilos> right click reinstall
[10:19] <Kilos> iirc vlc tells you if it needs another plugin
[10:19] <Kilos> mine just works
[10:19] <Kilos> oh im not on unity
[10:23] <Langjan> Sorry, system froze. Happening regularly lately, ageing hardware? 
[10:23] <Kilos> eish
[10:23] <Kilos> are you battling on your pc
[10:24] <Langjan> Must I uninstall all the flashy stuff?
[10:24] <Langjan> It comes and goes
[10:24] <Kilos> when last you did sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[10:25] <Langjan> Quite often
[10:25] <Kilos> flash should make pc freeze
[10:25] <Kilos> ok sudo touch /forcefsck and reboot
[10:25] <Kilos> hopefully that finds bad stuff and sorts it
[10:29] <Langjan> Hi again
[10:30] <Langjan> let me do that vlc reload and get rid of flash
[10:35] <Kilos> im not sure but i think there is something the guys use in place of adobe flash
[10:35] <Kilos> pepper something
[10:35] <Kilos> inetpro will tell you when he wakes up
[10:35] <Langjan> I had that also
[10:35] <Langjan> but you say vlc plays everything
[10:36] <Kilos> yes
[10:36] <Langjan> so why worry further
[10:36] <Kilos> precisely
[10:37] <Kilos> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/index.html
[10:37] <Langjan> The video on this site does not work: wants the pepper thing: http://www.speedtest.net/
[10:37] <Kilos> then get the pepperthing
[10:37] <theblazehen> Langjan remove the firefox pepper flash extension or something?
[10:43] <Langjan> theblazehen,  in Firefox there is Open H264 video codec, shockwave flash, adobe reader 9.5, divx web player, Itunes app detector, quick time plugin 766, vlc multimedia plugin, windows multimedia player plugin 10
[10:43] <theblazehen> Is this windows or linux
[10:44] <Langjan> ubuntu 14.04
[10:44] <Langjan> kde
[10:44] <Langjan> unity desktop
[10:45] <theblazehen> Hmm. Have you restarted firefox?
[10:45] <Langjan> I did a fresh install of Firefox a few days ago
[10:56] <chesedo> Langjan: extionsions are still installed in ~/.firefox.... even after a fresh install they will persist
[10:57] <Langjan> chesedo, I deleted all the files
[10:57] <chesedo> oh
[10:58] <Langjan> Tried with vlc activated and all the others "ask" then the site asks for flash and popup error shows it wants pepper flash
[10:59] <Langjan> so vlc does not work everywhere...
[11:07] <Kilos> ai!
[11:08] <Kilos> if you have a spare drive, install 16.04 and try get used to it
[11:08] <theblazehen> Or 16.10 ?
[11:08] <Kilos> many things work that needed fixing in 14.04
[11:08] <Kilos> lts
[11:08] <Langjan> Why should it be a problem to get used to it?
[11:09] <Kilos> they moved stuff around
[11:09] <Kilos> oh maybe not on unity
[11:09]  * theblazehen wonders what 17.10 will be called
[11:09] <Kilos> kde made some diffs
[11:09] <Langjan> My friend installed it and I did not even notice the diff
[11:09] <Kilos> then go for it
[11:10] <Langjan> the kde is the prob as usual
[11:10] <Kilos> but you old you know
[11:10] <Kilos> and maybe need new glasses
[11:11] <Langjan> maybe new specs wil help, better do major overhaul
[11:11] <Kilos> save your home folder
[11:11] <Langjan> OK gotta go for now, we will talk later
[11:12] <Kilos> go well my friend
[11:12] <Langjan> will do, always do
[11:12] <Langjan> thks you too Kilos 
[11:12] <Kilos> ty
[14:52] <Kilos> inetpro where are you?
[15:11] <superfly> hiding
[15:12] <superfly> Kilos: ^^
[15:43] <Kilos> sorry
[15:43] <Kilos> wasoutside working
[15:43] <superfly> So you were hiding too
[15:43] <Kilos> oh yes he is scared i give him some work
[15:43] <Kilos> nono working
[15:43] <inetpro> good mornings
[15:43] <Kilos> got ians car going
[15:43] <inetpro> oops I mean...
[15:43] <Kilos> morning inetpro 
[15:44] <inetpro> oh hi oom Kilos as well
[15:44] <Kilos> glad you managed to wake up
[15:44] <inetpro> what's up doc?
[15:44] <Kilos> nothing
[15:44] <Kilos> just you didnt great before lunch
[15:45] <inetpro> sorry oom
[15:45] <inetpro> just busy
[15:45] <Kilos> you are forgfiven
[15:45] <Kilos> forgiven
[15:45] <Kilos> strange keyboard
[15:45] <inetpro> dankie
[15:45] <Kilos> running an old pc of ians from my 14.04 external
[15:46] <Kilos> much faster than the xp hehe
[15:46] <Kilos> usb3 external with ssd
[15:46] <inetpro> superfly: are you ready to fly yet?
[15:47] <inetpro> I mean the long flight
[15:47] <Kilos> 3 days to his interview first
[15:47] <inetpro> obviously he's flying the shorty flights all day every day
[15:47] <inetpro> like a fly
[15:48] <Kilos> lol
[15:49] <inetpro> will be a strange place here without him ready to respond in the regular fashion 
[15:49] <Kilos> yeah
[15:50] <Kilos> sad day for za
[19:01] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:03] <Langjan> Hi Kilos slaap jy nog nie?
[19:04] <Kilos> ek ismhier Langjan 
[19:04] <Kilos> is ook 
[19:04] <Langjan> Als wel by jou?
[19:04] <Kilos> different keyboard
[19:04] <Kilos> ja dankie en self
[19:04] <Langjan> mooi ook so dankie
[19:04] <Kilos> wat het nou gebreek
[19:06] <Langjan> I want to upgrade to 16.04 but am wary of the kde/unity combo and think I must change kde to ubuntu 14.04 before upgrade
[19:06] <Kilos> ok
[19:06] <Kilos> thats half your probs i think
[19:06] <Kilos> unity7 on kde base
[19:07] <Kilos> install ubuntu-desktop
[19:07] <Kilos> and remove kubuntu-desktop
[19:07] <Kilos> but i would rather clean install 16.04
[19:08] <Kilos> then just copy home folder to new installation
[19:08] <Langjan> I have a lot of apps that will be lost
[19:08] <Langjan> and vbox
[19:08] <Kilos> where will they be lost
[19:09] <Kilos> copy whats running and then make sure you have them in stalled
[19:09] <Langjan> vbox andd some of them dont survive fresh install
[19:09] <Kilos> remember you cant ask me for 16.04 help
[19:09] <Kilos> ohy ya
[19:09] <Kilos> how muchy space have you got
[19:10] <Langjan> let me check
[19:11] <Langjan> 62 GB used 42 free
[19:11] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:11] <Kilos> oh wait
[19:12] <Kilos> look at systemback
[19:12] <Langjan> backed up home is 55 GB
[19:12] <Kilos> it makes an installation disk that installs everything you have working
[19:13] <Kilos> might need to do it to an external you have so much junk
[19:14] <Kilos> ohy no
[19:14] <Kilos> you wanna upgrade
[19:14] <Kilos> sorry
[19:21] <Kilos> make a system back iso so if the upgrade aint good you can reinstall to what you have now
[19:22] <Kilos> its in the repos
[19:25] <Kilos> wb tumbleweed 
[19:35] <Langjan> Kilos, did I scare you off?
[19:35] <Kilos> no
[19:36] <Kilos> im eating a wors broodjie
[19:37] <Kilos> and falling asleep hehe
[19:37] <Kilos> ek skrik nie vir koue pap nie
[19:37] <Langjan> lekker
[19:37] <Langjan> ek sien ek kan die kde goed via synaptic uithaal
[19:38] <Kilos> ja
[19:38] <Kilos> ek gebruik synaptic baie
[19:39] <Kilos> maak net seker dat jy die unity goed instaleer voor jy afsit
[19:39] <Langjan> Ek het unity, moet ek iets weer installleer?
[19:40] <Kilos> na die kde goed uithaal reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[19:40] <Kilos> of doen dit als in een'
[19:40] <Kilos> synaptic hoort n goeie job daarvan te maak
[19:40] <tumbleweed> hi Kilos, wb to you too :)
[19:41] <Kilos> ty tumbleweed 
[19:41] <Kilos> you still here?
[19:41]  * tumbleweed is in SF
[19:41] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:41] <Kilos> globetrotter
[19:42] <Langjan> Unity things are there must I reinstall them?
[19:42] <tumbleweed> :P
[19:42] <Kilos> yes
[19:43] <Kilos> :D
[19:43] <Kilos> my fav emoticon
[19:43] <Kilos> not much thinking
[19:43] <tumbleweed> Kilos: so, you survived? :)
[19:43] <Kilos> haha yessir
[19:44] <Kilos> now gotta have 2 bypass ops here before i can save to go back
[19:44] <tumbleweed> :/
[19:44] <Kilos> not serious
[19:44] <Kilos> cant do any worse than dying you know
[19:46] <tumbleweed> I hope your family wasn't stuck with too much debt from that
[19:46] <Kilos> still 9k
[19:46] <Kilos> bits and pieces are coming in
[19:46] <Langjan> Kilos, on reboot I still get Kubuntu logo
[19:47] <tumbleweed> that's still a lot :/
[19:47] <Kilos> enough so far to keep the hospital quiet from informing the OZ govt
[19:47] <Kilos> yeah in za mon ey its a fortune
[19:47] <Kilos> Langjan you battle to get rid of kde
[19:48] <Kilos> thats why i said clean install
[19:48] <Kilos> dont mix them again
[19:48] <Langjan> ok
[19:48] <Kilos> you unity peeps must maar suffer along
[19:49] <Langjan> eerder die duiwel wat jy ken
[19:49]  * Kilos loves kde
[19:49] <Langjan> Langjan, loves unity
[19:49] <Kilos> you never too oldto learn man
[19:49] <Langjan> agreed, I have just learnt my lesson
[19:49] <Kilos> lol
[19:50] <Langjan> lmga
[19:50] <Kilos> cheeky
[19:50] <Kilos> im thinking of going 16.04 on my desktop
[19:50] <Kilos> kde of course
[19:51] <Kilos> not lekker to go to bed along hey superfly ?
[19:51] <Kilos> i hate it
[19:51]  * Kilos loves spooning
[19:53] <Kilos> Langjan ive even had hassles using a unity home folder in kde
[19:53] <Kilos> so i decided to in future leave unity for the clever peeps
[20:00] <Langjan> Those clever enough to know where to stay away from
[20:01] <Kilos> hahaha
[20:01] <Langjan> you have cheeky learner
[20:01] <Kilos> definitely
[20:03] <Kilos> so old man what are you actually doing there?
[20:03] <Langjan> synaptic removing all kde
[20:03] <Kilos> ah
[20:03] <Kilos> dont mix them in future
[20:04] <Kilos> havent you heard of apartheid
[20:06] <Langjan> you hate being apart
[20:07] <Kilos> yes me man not different operating systems
[20:07] <Kilos> its likemputting diesel into your petrol car
[20:07] <Langjan> yip ok gonna reboot check you in a minute
[20:07] <Kilos> it wont go far
[20:07] <Kilos> ok
[20:07] <Langjan> what wont go far?
[20:07] <Kilos> the car
[20:08] <Langjan> oh ok did not see the clever diesel/petrol comment
[20:08] <Kilos> keep up man
[20:08] <Langjan> well you can mix up to about 20%
[20:08] <Langjan> I only kept desktop
[20:08] <Kilos> read everything , dont skim what you think is important
[20:09] <Kilos> lol
[20:09] <Kilos> with 20% you gonna smoke
[20:14] <Kilos> wb Langjan 
[20:15] <Langjan> hopefully kde
[20:15] <Kilos> huh
[20:15] <Kilos> 20% diesel in petrol car will smoke man
[20:15] <Langjan> bobbejaantjie se huh
[20:15] <Kilos> huh
[20:16] <Langjan> yes but it will run
[20:16] <Kilos> yes 
[20:16] <Langjan> 20% petrol in diesel also will get you home
[20:16] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:16] <Kilos> wont start from cold
[20:17] <Langjan> why not?
[20:17] <Kilos> diesel like to be warmed up first
[20:17] <Kilos> like those old tractors that ran on power parafin
[20:17] <Kilos> first had to start on petrol
[20:19] <Langjan> this kde-thing is a monster
[20:21] <Kilos> hi dude42 
[20:22] <Kilos> wb Langjan 
[20:22] <Langjan> I have even deleted the .kde config folder and it still shows up as kubuntu...
[20:22] <Kilos> so is everything running smoothly
[20:23] <Kilos> hahaha
[20:23] <Langjan> yes 
[20:23] <Kilos> see the power
[20:23] <Langjan> I call it contamination
[20:23] <Kilos> hurry now man its bedtime
[20:24] <Langjan> What do I do to get this thing out? Everything under kde in synaptic is deleted, .kde is deleted but it still shows up!
[20:25] <Kilos> clean install
[20:28] <Langjan> well I may as well uipgrade and see what happens, can always clean install afterwards if required
[20:28] <Kilos> yes
[20:28] <Kilos> i gotta go sleep now sir
[20:28] <Kilos> not as young as you you know
[20:29] <Kilos> hopefully the kde boot logo stays
[20:29] <Kilos> hehe
[20:29] <Langjan> yes slaap lekker my vriend ek gaan ook duik
[20:29] <Langjan> hoop jy kramp in jou slaap...
[20:30] <Kilos> ok sir see you tomorrow
[20:30] <Kilos> sleep tight you and everyone else lurking here
[23:42] <dude42> hi all