[04:44] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> any progress in the botnet spam?
[04:46] <dax> apparently has gone down a bit
[04:46] <dax> i've gotten nothing in hours, so I suspect they're filtering on cloak or something now. others have gotten stuff recently but the quantity's a lot lower
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> !info sl
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-terminal-train/
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> that train knows the numbers of lan to use?
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys breakfast
[07:37] <ducasse> hi all
[08:11] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:13] <ducasse> hi lordievader - everything good?
[08:19] <lordievader> Hey ducasse, got coffee. Guess life is good ;)
[08:19] <lordievader> How are things there?
[08:20] <ducasse> good thanks :) got my tea and fed the cat, soon time for breakfast :)
[08:21] <lordievader> :)
[09:10] <madprops> when do you see ubuntu being the best os?
[09:11] <nacc> madprops: i feel like that is sort of a nonsensical question / trolling.
[09:11] <nacc> madprops: what would define "best"?
[09:11] <lordievader> That is a very personal question indeed.
[09:11] <lordievader> Ubuntu has strenghts and weaknesses, like any OS.
[09:12] <madprops> to me it would be the best when i can have a more comfortable environment than on windows
[09:12] <nacc> that makes no sense
[09:12] <nacc> that just makes it better than windows for you
[09:12] <madprops> well right now the best os for me is windows
[09:12] <madprops> because i can run all the software i want
[09:12] <nacc> right, so your question is "when will ubuntu be the best os for me" (as asked by you).
[09:13] <nacc> madprops: and the answer to that is, whenever you want...
[09:13] <madprops> well isn't software support a big part of a desktop's os effectiveness?
[09:13] <madprops> unity is going great
[09:13] <madprops> i like that
[09:13] <madprops> showing big advancements
[09:13] <madprops> but for example
[09:13] <nacc> also 'comfortable environment' seems highly subjective
[09:13] <madprops> i have a very costumized windows environment with lots of hotkeys and stuff
[09:14] <madprops> for example i use sharex a lot
[09:14] <madprops> and ive done my research searchiung for a linux alt
[09:14] <madprops> and there just isn't
[09:14] <madprops> plus i use fl studio, and i can just wine it
[09:14] <madprops> using wine is just nasty
[09:15] <madprops> not to mention video games
[09:15] <nacc> madprops: i don't feel like i have the time to even begin
[09:15] <nacc> more important things to do, sorry
[09:15] <madprops> welp
[09:16] <nacc> madprops: the answer to the question is "when it is", afaict. You can either help get to that point, or not.
[09:18] <wafflejock> madprops, you may want to check out Hydrogen, and Ardour for doing audio in linux if you dig into JACK audio there's a lot you can do with effects and piping audio data through lots of digital filtering but takes some time to learn the ins and outs
[09:19] <madprops> i think there's no vst support
[09:19] <madprops> and i read jack's a mess
[09:19] <madprops> but yeah im sure things can be done
[09:20] <madprops> i played with lmms a bit
[09:20] <madprops> and audacity, and mixxx
[09:21] <wafflejock> madprops, post here says lmms supports vst plugins but haven't used it enough or recently enough to tell yah and the post is old https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1124227
[09:22] <wafflejock> madprops, my experience with JACK was mixed, was a pain to understand at all in the first place or get running at first but it's really not that terrible and once you have it running and understand the inputs and outputs (something like patchage is helpful) I didn't have problems
[09:23] <wafflejock> I don't do audio production or anything either though it was just dabbling with some midi keyboard that was given to me, but there are usually some decent alternatives that end up being a better experience than wine
[09:24] <wafflejock> games wise it's better than it used to be with Steam but not going to be a lot of big game companies dumping money into proper linux games without a big market to buy said games, sort of chicken and egg with gaming
[09:31] <madprops> wafflejock, apparently it supports them, but with wine, and i don't know if that could affect the latency or quality somehow. But yeah im def considering ubuntu was my main future os
[09:31] <madprops> i understand that a lot of what would take linux to become better is people actually using it
[09:31] <madprops> and of course contributing
[09:32] <madprops> as my main*
[09:33] <madprops> and it's just good, unity is certainly high quality right now. still getting some problems popping but that's expected, it could get better
[09:33] <wafflejock> madprops, yeah personally I like to run it as my development environment because I use the same thing on cloud services for deploying things and don't have to deal with issues cause of slight variations in different versions of dependencies on different OSes
[09:34] <madprops> yeah i wonder how much that could change with snaps
[09:34] <madprops> which im still not 100% convinced it's actually better than a universal package system (that can get betteR)
[09:34] <wafflejock> yeah I could use docker or other kinds of containers, snaps sound convenient in theory too but haven't toyed with enough of it to say if I trust it :)
[09:35] <madprops> certainly giving developers control over their applications is great
[09:35] <madprops> the publishing i mean
[09:35] <wafflejock> yah
[09:35] <madprops> but idk
[09:36] <madprops> im gonna sleep
[09:36] <madprops> gnight
[09:36] <wafflejock> night
[12:01] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:02] <ducasse> good morning, BluesKaj
[12:02] <OerHeks> hi there BluesKaj
[12:02] <OerHeks> & ducasse
[12:02] <daftykins> \o
[12:02] <BluesKaj> 'morning ducasse, OerHeks
[12:03] <ducasse> BluesKaj: did you try xbian?
[12:04] <BluesKaj> yes, ducasse i did, my rpi3 uses wifi , but there were no drivers availble
[12:05] <ducasse> ah, bummer :( strange, i think i read on their page rpi3 was fully supported...
[12:07] <BluesKaj> i used ethernet for a while to update and install a couple of video addons, but I already have Hodi on 2 machimes so a 3rd js a bit redundant...the Xbian image is the same for the repi2 and 3 so I wonder.....
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Kodi
[12:10] <BluesKaj> my plan is to setup the rpi3 in my den/office since the pc I was using there died a couple of yrs ago
[12:11] <ducasse> with raspbian?
[12:13] <BluesKaj> probly raspbian modified with Trinity DE
[12:16] <ducasse> ah, right. i tried the ubuntu mate image on my rpi2, but it was pretty slow. rpi3 is probably better, though.
[12:17] <daftykins> it's got a fair few more beans!
[12:17] <daftykins> still toys though (:
[12:19] <BluesKaj> I tried mate, didn't care for it much
[12:19] <ducasse> i could not have used the rpi2 as my main machine, at least.
[12:23] <BluesKaj> I transferred the root dir to 64G USB stick and used the micro sd card as the boot device, I'll probly do the same adain since the speed increased siignificantly vs the micro sd as the main device
[12:23] <BluesKaj> adain=again
[12:24] <ducasse> i'll have tu try that, running updates etc are painful on an sd card.
[12:24] <ducasse> *to