[02:56] <diddledan> right, I've locked-down kibana now so you can't see the url I showed earlier. instead I've got a preliminary graph at https://ubulog.com/
[03:00] <zmoylan-pi> so a drop in irc or ubuntu or both...
[03:05] <diddledan> the data is still incomplete
[03:05] <diddledan> so that may change, but it's an interesting trend that has emerged thus far
[03:07] <zmoylan-pi> doubt it will change the overall results much
[03:07] <diddledan> so far I've indexed about 67million lines of log. just running a check to see how many there are total
[03:10] <diddledan> 87,673,240
[03:10] <diddledan> so mostly there
[03:11] <diddledan> two-thirds of the way
[03:11] <diddledan> that 87million is the total number of lines
[03:12] <diddledan> currently I've indexed 67,271,021 of those
[03:14] <diddledan> the big tall line above everything else is obviously #ubuntu
[03:14] <diddledan> looks like we peaked message-count in april 07
[03:25] <zmoylan-pi> the spawning of all the extra channels in 2010 would split the community and lower the overall totals
[04:23] <zmoylan-pi> comments on ms's new home automation dealy... 'Microsoft's smart digital assistant Cortana can already answer your queries, even if the PC's screen is locked.' -- 'Cortana. How do I break into this locked PC?'
[08:16] <Gargoyle> Mornin' all
[08:55] <knightwi1e> hey everyone
[09:22] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:31] <Laney> why do people use speaker phone when walking around in public?
[09:31] <Laney> you can't hear it properly and they can't hear you, especially when you shout directly into the microphone
[09:31] <Laney> but there must be a reason
[09:31] <Laney> what is it?
[09:34] <davmor2> Laney: so you can tell how important they are cause they got calls and you didn't
[09:34] <Laney> I can see someone doing it out of my window atm
[09:34] <Laney> don't /think/ it is posing
[09:35] <Laney> she looks like she's having an argument
[09:35] <Laney> also standing next to a mediumly busy road so it's even harder to hear on speaker
[09:35] <Laney> ME NO UNDERSTAND
[09:37] <davmor2> Laney: I can't put the real reason on this channel because it contains too many expletives ;)
[09:38] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Tuesday, and happy Miners’ Day! 😃
[09:43] <diplo> Morning all
[09:44] <diplo> Laney: I know people who won't use the phone against their ear because of cancer scares etc, either use headphones with mic or user speakphone, I see it all the time down this way, think they look and sound ridiculous :)
[09:45] <Laney> diplo: oh GOD that too
[09:45] <Laney> using those headphones with a microphone and then putting the microphone basically inside your mouth
[09:45] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:50] <diplo> Yes, all very frustrating
[09:52] <davmor2> JamesTait: I think this is apt for miners https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A-IoOEPbUs
[09:58] <JamesTait> davmor2, https://youtu.be/H_AjiDmr_2U would have been fine. 😉
[10:01] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfR9iY5y94s let me throw this one at you too :)
[11:25] <daftykins> woo i got a cracker in-app for using android pay! lots of prizes on offer this month
[11:40] <TwistedLucidity> Never used Android pay, the very idea gives me the heebies
[11:40] <daftykins> well, it's safer than a contactless card in your wallet.
[11:41] <TwistedLucidity> What security surrounds it? Are they liable in the same way as credit cards for fraud?
[11:41] <TwistedLucidity> daftykins: Get non-contactless cards; simple
[11:41] <daftykins> it creates a virtual card so the details shared with pay points aren't that of your real card, for one
[11:41] <daftykins> yeah but you can't, my bank for one has told me you won't be able to request non-contactless ones once they start making them
[11:41] <TwistedLucidity> Time to get a new bank
[11:42] <daftykins> i'm sure it's how it'll go everywhere in time
[11:42] <daftykins> best part though, you can just turn NFC off on the phone!
[12:40] <knightwise> hmm
[12:40] <knightwise> there seems to be a Raspberry pi version of Teamviewer :)
[12:40] <knightwise> This opens up a great amount of possibilities
[12:41] <daftykins> it does?
[12:41] <knightwise> I need to set one up as a headless icecast player
[12:41] <davmor2> knightwise: you're not after the spammer again are you ;)
[12:42] <knightwise> it needs to bootup and start playing an icecast stream when you plug it in
[12:42] <knightwise> davmor2: the spammer ?
[12:43] <daftykins> but there are so many more appropriate protocols than a proprietary one like teamviewer for that purpose?
[12:43] <davmor2> knightwise: Microsoft is reporting to us that you have very many viruses spammer drop them into a team viewer on the pi
[12:43] <knightwise> daftykins: not if you have to drop the machine behind a router and have no open ports.
[12:44] <daftykins> but why would you ever knowingly do that?
[12:47] <knightwise> I have to drop off my raspberry pi at a shop in the highstreet where it will be plugged into the pa system
[12:47] <knightwise> Then i will need to go to an icecast stream and stream that from the pi
[12:48] <knightwise> So i need a way to controll the headless box.
[12:48] <daftykins> oh well nevermind, this scenario skips a lot of the start
[13:14] <ali1234> but icecast is just http
[13:39] <Azelphur> wow, whatever is spamming freenode is annoying, I literally have 70+ queries open, all spam.
[13:41] <zmoylan-pi> i stopped having that problem when i changed my nick to one that starts with z... puts me down at bottom of any list...
[13:41] <Azelphur> lol
[13:42] <Azelphur> So basically I should /nick Zelphur
[13:42] <diplo> I don't get any either and I'm only at d
[13:43] <zmoylan-pi> when i display nicks diplo is at bottom of 2nd column of 6 containing 90+ nicks so a 1/3 of the way in
[13:48] <daftykins> Azelphur: zAzelphur! :D
[13:49] <daftykins> can't have too many though or they'll think you're asleep
[13:54]  * zmoylan-pi ponders SuperEngineer's technical skills with all the bouncing... :-P
[13:56] <daftykins> :>
[13:56] <SuperEngineer> hey, stop the mocking!  I'm off worh ill and playing with the setup one my 1+1
[13:57] <daftykins> poor fella, lost to use of his fingers :>
[13:58] <SuperEngineer> wrong.... having difficulty breathing actually.... any other insults you care to aim this way and look even more foolish?
[13:59] <zmoylan-pi> then bounce away and may all your dvd boxsets keep you amused... :-)
[13:59] <SuperEngineer> :D
[13:59] <daftykins> SuperEngineer: i hope you're not serious
[13:59] <zmoylan-pi> name isn't surely...
[14:00] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: it's not serious ifbreathing is not as required as we all thought it was
[14:00] <daftykins> SuperEngineer: well i'd like to point out that i say one thing and you get your underwear in a twist about it, so calm down
[14:02] <SuperEngineer> wrong daftykins ... I'm using my super powers to annoy you in fun... nothing nasty meant
[14:02] <diddledan> yey for text comms obscuring the tonge-in-cheak
[14:02] <daftykins> well you sound like a right nob now
[14:02] <diddledan> +u
[14:03] <diddledan> of course whenever people talk to me, they need to realise my tongue never leaves my cheak
[14:03] <diddledan> cheek
[14:03]  * zmoylan-pi starts the peace talks by breaking open the milk chocolate hobnobs
[14:03] <diddledan> how is that spelt?
[14:03] <daftykins> cheek, yeah
[14:03] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: nobnobs!
[14:04]  * diddledan sidles-up to zmoylan-pi
[14:05]  * SuperEngineer blows virtual raspberry
[14:05] <diddledan> pi
[14:05] <SuperEngineer> lol
[14:05]  * zmoylan-pi prepares the special hobnob with the radio tracker for diddledan 
[14:05] <diddledan> mmm, crunchy
[14:06] <diddledan> I'm sure there is an allo-allo image we could find that depicts that
[14:06] <zmoylan-pi> and not the jug with the drug? but the candle with the handle?
[14:09] <SuperEngineer> don't forget: The Gestapo is only insured for third party!
[14:09] <diddledan> gespacho?
[14:09] <SuperEngineer> so no handles - they break to easily
[14:09] <daftykins> Rimmer D:
[14:10] <zmoylan-pi> souper!
[14:11] <SuperEngineer> So if I fire up Andchat again can you tell me what you see as username please?  I set is as SuprEngr1+1 but I'm sure it's not appearing as that.
[14:11] <zmoylan-pi> fireup away
[14:11] <diddledan> you're fired!
[14:11] <SuperEngineer> loading...
[14:12] <diddledan> SuperEngineer_:
[14:12] <SuperEngineer> +1... damn you Andchat!
[14:13] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsbYx6hevoQ
[14:13] <SuperEngineer> oh well, I suppose it's not actually that important.
[14:13] <diddledan> at least GCHQ knows who you are...
[14:13] <SuperEngineer> If I'm usung Andchat I won't normally be a desktop at the same time
[14:14] <diddledan> do you often feel like you are furniture?
[14:14] <daftykins> you shouldn't use andchat anymore, hasn't been updated in forever - abandoned project
[14:14] <SuperEngineer> GCHQ stole the GCHQ banksey of GCHQ depicting GCHQ behaviour
[14:14] <diddledan> :-(
[14:14] <diddledan> boooo
[14:14] <SuperEngineer> [that should arouse attention at their end[]
[14:15] <diddledan> SuperEngineer: don't poke the bear!
[14:15] <SuperEngineer> woopsey!  :-D
[14:18] <SuperEngineer> If they come to get me or my pooter I'll fight vigoursly against it... assuming no breathing is required in doing so ;-)
[14:19] <zmoylan-pi> a rasp pi zero hidden in cigar tube were sun doesn't shine... :-P
[14:19] <SuperEngineer> OUCH!
[14:22] <zmoylan-pi> bonus points if you use a cigar tube the british government sent pows in wwii to hide gear...
[14:22] <zmoylan-pi> it's gone very pulp fictiony here for some reason... :-P
[14:23] <diddledan> sorry, should I leave?
[14:23] <daftykins> lets all go for a meal in a vintage car
[14:23] <diddledan> is that a song?
[14:23] <diddledan> second verse about a yellow submarine?
[14:23] <daftykins> nah it's in Pulp Fiction, the restaurant
[14:24] <diddledan> ah gotcha
[14:24] <zmoylan-pi> i've always wanted to try a $5 milkshake
[14:24] <diddledan> mm, this is a tasty burger
[14:25] <diddledan> Tarantino FTW
[14:25] <daftykins> big tasty Tarantino burger
[14:27] <zmoylan-pi> watched watchmen last night.  should watch kill bill 1+2 to help ease me into christmas shopping... :-P
[14:28] <daftykins> next up, zmoylan-pi in a yellow jump suit
[14:28]  * zmoylan-pi fetches my +3 katana
[14:30] <zmoylan-pi> i lie... it's just an ex irish army machete/bayonet from irelands un adventures...
[14:31]  * SuperEngineer prefers the giggles of imagining zmoylan-pi in yellow cat suit
[14:31] <daftykins> XD
[14:33] <SuperEngineer> Whew! Just beat smoke from the burning toast out of window before it got to smoke detector
[14:34] <SuperEngineer> [really must adjust the setting on that thing}
[14:35] <daftykins> mmm now i want pop tarts :D
[14:35] <SuperEngineer> pop tearts + toaster = burnt mouth [pop tart + microwave = burnt home]
[14:36] <zmoylan-pi> no... beans. on. toast... #foodofthegods
[14:37] <SuperEngineer> +1 [with a bit of black pepper in the beans, of course]
[14:38] <daftykins> o0
[14:38] <daftykins> hmm maybe that's why the cafe chef asked if i wanted black pepper for my fry up Monday
[14:39] <SuperEngineer> [or if adventurous - beans from a chilled can, small amount of garlic, on warmed olive bread
[14:39]  * SuperEngineer drifts way to food heaven
[14:39] <zmoylan-pi> no... now you're hipstering beans on toast... :-)
[14:39] <daftykins> XD
[14:40] <SuperEngineer> Whoops - they've guseed I'm actually Elon Musk
[14:40] <SuperEngineer> O-O
[14:40] <zmoylan-pi> the next tesla will have a microwave preinstalled and a chill cabinet for food and tinned goods
[14:40] <daftykins> beats the elephant e-long Tusk
[14:49] <SuperEngineer> daftykins:  re: "you shouldn't use andchat anymore"... suggestions?  AndroIRC perhaps?
[14:51] <daftykins> i've not tried in a long time
[14:51] <daftykins> YaaIC i had a go with last
[14:52] <SuperEngineer> hmmm
[14:55] <brobostigon> simplest, get a ssh client, :)
[14:59] <daftykins> not very user friendly if you want to IRC from a phone
[15:00] <brobostigon> it works though.
[15:01] <brobostigon> especially with mosh, to compensate for a bad network connection.
[15:01] <davmor2> daftykins: do you use irssi?
[15:02] <daftykins> yes, it's not very well matched to SSH clients on android imo
[15:02] <daftykins> since you've got no features for quick nick highlighting and so on, much saner from a native client
[15:02] <davmor2> daftykins: have a look I think it is call irssi connect
[15:02] <daftykins> i'm not the one asking so i have no need for this
[15:03] <davmor2> SuperEngineer: ^
[15:03] <davmor2> daftykins: sorry dude :)
[15:12] <SuperEngineer> mm - not impressed with YaaIRC...
[15:12] <daftykins> that's not the name i recall
[15:12] <SuperEngineer> [or my connection settup, perhaps
[15:16] <SuperEngineer> ..& AndroIRC wants too many permissions, so no.  Staying with AndChat for now.
[15:20] <diddledan> wat: https://twitter.com/Sean__Clare/status/806132017242972161/video/1
[15:20] <diddledan> dogs scare off inanimate flying machines
[15:21] <daftykins> why is her pic of herself yawning? :P
[15:22] <daftykins> XD
[15:36] <SuperEngineer> warning: firing up andchat to check all ok...
[15:36] <diddledan> brace for impact my friend
[15:37] <SuperEngineer> damn!  "SuprEngr1+1 Erroeous Nickname"
[15:39] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-L4tVksGYc
[15:41] <daftykins> nobody cares what device you're on :P
[15:41] <diddledan> daftykins: one word: zmoylan-pi
[15:42] <daftykins> ;)
[15:42] <SuperEngineer> weee!  old settings restored - mobile ready
[15:43] <SuperEngineer_> Ghost now signing out
[15:43] <diddledan> I wanna watch BSG end-to-end now
[15:43] <diddledan> (again)
[15:44] <SuperEngineer> BSG... it's BFG for the advanced user
[15:46] <SuperEngineer> & zmoylan-pi actually uses a BBC micro - it must be true, I read it it the Daily Mail
[15:47] <SuperEngineer> *in
[15:50] <diddledan> MS+LinkedIn has been approved: https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2016/12/06/microsoft-linkedin-deal-cleared-regulators-opening-doors-people-around-world/
[15:52] <SuperEngineer> Are you allowed to use such nasty language as the Lin*** word in this channel?
[15:54] <SuperEngineer> "an annoymous spammer you've never heard of but wants to damage your computer has invited you to join l****d"
[15:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[16:00] <popey> hello
[16:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, hi
[16:05] <SuperEngineer> o/
[19:58] <ball> What's a good channel for someone just starting out in Linux who might have some questions?
[19:59] <daftykins> #linux ?
[19:59] <ball> Thanks daftykins
[19:59] <daftykins> #ubuntu might be a bit more friendly, but noted distro bias
[20:00] <ball> Hmm... ok.
[20:00] <ball> You know, I might fetch Xubuntu.
[20:00] <ball> I remember liking that one when I tried it.
[20:00] <daftykins> mmm nice DE, nice and light spin
[20:03]  * ball kicks off the download
[20:07] <ball> hello pavlushka
[20:08] <daftykins> might not be here, just connection bouncing all day ;)
[20:08]  * ball bounces
[20:08] <daftykins> :D
[20:30]  * ball checks on his Xubuntu download
[20:30] <ball> woohoo!  It's done.
[20:31] <daftykins> \o/ now to the flash drive
[20:33]  * zmoylan-pi inserts spinning ubuntu symbol....
[20:36] <ball> I have to wait for my Raspberry Pi to finish doing Raspberry Pi things so that I can power it down and free up enough desk space to set up a Xubuntu test rig.
[20:38] <ball> ...or I suppose I could just pull the plug on it.
[20:38]  * ball cackles, evilly.
[20:39] <ali1234> just buy another one
[20:39] <ball> ali1234: Another what?
[20:39] <ali1234> raspberry pi
[20:40] <ali1234> i've got like 15 of them
[20:40] <ball> ali1234: I have two: a 1B and 2B
[20:40] <ball> ali1234: Don't think Xubuntu's an option on those though.
[20:40] <ball> ...and I'd need a much faster microSDHC card, anyway.
[21:34] <daftykins> and a different ISO >:)
[22:11] <ball> daftykins: Aye, that too.
[22:15] <ali1234> ubuntu works on the 2B
[22:15] <ali1234> not unity though
[22:15] <ali1234> mate and xfce should work
[23:11] <diddledan> just finished watching westworld. wow.
[23:12] <daftykins> ah i snagged that earlier
[23:13] <daftykins> doesn't end on a cliff hanger does it? i heard season 2 will only come in 2018
[23:13] <diddledan> really epic finale
[23:13] <diddledan> and yes cliff hanger
[23:13] <daftykins> woot! ok now i won't watch ;D
[23:13] <diddledan> lol
[23:14] <diddledan> it kinda finishes the series off ok but leaves you anticipating the next one rather than leaving you with a guy about to fall but not showing whether he did or not
[23:14] <diddledan> it would work as a standalone series where you wish they'd make another if they weren't going to
[23:15] <daftykins> ah har
[23:15] <daftykins> linked from another channel - https://www.nngroup.com/articles/computer-skill-levels/
[23:15] <diddledan> wow that's bad
[23:21] <zmoylan-pi> i've answered the phone to these people, it shouldn't be a shock...
[23:22] <zmoylan-pi> q. what browser are you using? a. excel.
[23:23] <diddledan> at least they knew the answer
[23:23] <diddledan> s/the/an/
[23:23] <diddledan> at least they knew an answer
[23:23] <diddledan> it may not be correct but at least they had one
[23:23] <zmoylan-pi> true... if you can get them to read text of the screen with 2-3 prompts you can usually get there in the end... but that's not always a given
[23:24] <diddledan> it's the folk that complain that the website is down when they're at home and their power is off
[23:24] <diddledan> company website*
[23:24] <daftykins> but i can't get to it!
[23:24] <zmoylan-pi> or those that have forgotten the alphabet and don't know what a letter c is...
[23:24] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: it's salty and wet
[23:26] <zmoylan-pi> i think i've told you of the mate who after finishing a major reconfig over the phone of a dos based pos system needed the customer to type 2 lines 'cd \video' and 'video' and after 30 minutes effort found it was easier to drive there and type it in himself...
[23:28] <daftykins> a truly POS system
[23:28] <diddledan> point of sale?
[23:28] <daftykins> :D
[23:31] <zmoylan-pi> yeah a dos based video point of sale system... the spec given to the programer fit on a post-it 'videos in/videos out' worst spec ever as that morphed into a 5 year coding marathon that cost the developer his sanity
[23:31] <zmoylan-pi> pretty much everything he was told would never be required was added at a later stage making all previous code broken
[23:32] <zmoylan-pi> and adding on tiny features like running sunbed systesm/sales of food and dvds/internet cafe made it a slight challenge...
[23:34] <daftykins> O_O
[23:35] <zmoylan-pi> he writes android apps now... it's a pleasent relief...
[23:35] <zmoylan-pi> it's only java...
[23:36] <zmoylan-pi> how hard could that be on multiple random cheap nasty chinese devices?
[23:50] <m0nkey_> People. I need a phone. Given the choice between a LG G5 or iPhone SE (64GB), which would you take?
[23:52] <daftykins> does it have to be those...
[23:52] <m0nkey_> There is also the Moto Z Play
[23:52] <m0nkey_> I want a cheap plan and phone. Don't care much for the platform.
[23:53] <daftykins> what size LG G5 can you get?
[23:53] <daftykins> storage wise
[23:53] <m0nkey_> I think it's 32GB
[23:53] <m0nkey_> But I can shove in a SD card
[23:54] <daftykins> looks like the motorola is a fair step down in CPU and loses 1GB RAM compared with the LG G5, but it came out in September vs. the April G5 so it's a bit newer
[23:55] <daftykins> i don't even consider Apple devices because i don't like the companies practices
[23:55] <daftykins> ah the LG still has a removable battery though, if you care about that
[23:56] <m0nkey_> Yeah, that's a nice legacy feature
[23:56] <daftykins> i'm put off by the 2560x1440 res screen though :/ lot of wasted pixels
[23:56] <diddledan> every pixie is sacred
[23:57] <daftykins> when you see the default UI scale level it's pretty cringe at times
[23:59] <m0nkey_> Meh, I guess specs don't bother me lately.