[00:07] MudManMike: don't use sudo with graphical apps please [00:08] i ws told to add export PATH=$PATH:/var/www/html/magento2/bin to my path.. but where does it go? [00:12] z1haze: i'd probably go with ~/.bash_profile [00:12] does runnig that command just add that to the path? [00:13] it changes the PATH variable which dictates where the system looks for commands that you run. Putting that line into your ~/.bash_profile will ensure that it is done every time. If you just run it at the command line it'll be gone the next time you start a new bash session [00:14] z1haze: maybe i misunderstood: ~/.bash_profile is a text file. Edit it with your favorite editor and add the line [00:18] z1haze: For permanent, edit ~/.profile , find the line which begins with PATH= and then append the new path near the end of the line but before $PATH" if that is the last entry on the line [00:21] z1haze: So if the line says: PATH="$HOME/bin:/usr/local/bin:$PATH" make it PATH="$HOME/bin:/usr/local/bin:/var/www/html/magento2/bin:$PATH" [00:22] gotcha, separate by a :? [00:22] Yes [00:22] at the risk of sounding a bit like gary johnson... what is qemu? [00:23] or more specifically, how to kvm, qemu, and libvirt fit together (if they do)? [00:26] Help. I updated my PC today and its started to freeze 30 seconds after booting. [00:27] I thought system settings had a place to add repositories? [00:27] maybe im over looking it [00:27] z1haze: Also, if no PATH= line exists at all in there, just use: PATH="$PATH:/var/www/html/magento2/bin" [00:27] software sources [00:27] I have to force shut it down to turn it off. After booting, my quick start apps dont launch, Rhythmbox cant see my music [00:28] ( at the end of the file on a line of it's own ) [00:28] you mean in system setting glitchd [00:28] Hello, I am running a bash script that calls for the network manager to be restarted using sudo, this prompts for the root password and I want it promptless [00:29] I am trying to modify the sudoers file but I would like to know where network manager is located [00:29] MarcoP, no, go to settings then software&updates [00:30] glitchd, for some reason i don't see a software and updates icon like I did before [00:30] MarcoP, what version are you on? [00:30] 16.10 [00:30] @xmf It's a command subset of /usr/sbin/service [00:30] unity? [00:30] DarklightIndigo, thank you [00:31] not sure its the default version from the website [00:31] glitchd, [00:31] XMF, no problem. I'm guessing you have a RealTek garbage chip too? ;) [00:32] MarcoP, well tbh, i dont use unity. ever. so im not entirely sure how it works on there.. [00:32] no lol, my vpn wont reconnect one I have connected once before without restarting the network manager [00:32] once* [00:32] XMF, gotcha. Yeah, I have the 8821ae basically because this laptop was a gift. [00:32] XMF, sudo sevice networking restart? [00:32] yeah [00:32] glitchd, it was there before [00:32] does that work? [00:33] So I'm picking up all kinds of commands I never thought I'd use. [00:33] yeah [00:33] lol DarklightIndigo [00:33] so then whats the problem? [00:34] I think i might of fixed it [00:34] mmk then [00:34] I'm guessing network-manager doesn't see the disconnect for some time. [00:35] It's kinda awkward, because the whole point of that service is to maintain connectivity, but there's no "majick bullet" that makes that happen. [00:35] I have a script that need to be unattended but it uses sudo service network-manager restart which halts the script to prompt for a password [00:35] It's basically just timed response queries. [00:35] i see [00:35] yeah thats the real problem lol [00:35] Yeah, I wish there was some decent way to isolate just the one command. [00:36] You could isolate network-manager by calling another script, but then you still have to enter a sudo command at some point. [00:36] Actually, I wonder if that's true. [00:37] XMF: you should be able to set up sudoers to allow a user to run a specific command as root without a password [00:37] Normally, yes, but services aren't really the kinds of things you'd want to leave open on a multiuser, I'd imagine. [00:37] Like, say I have something called network-maintain that only carries a subset of service commands. [00:38] Could I add /usr/bin/network-maintain to sudoers and have that run network-manager? [00:38] Or would I have to authenticate again for each network-manager call? [00:38] something like this in sudoers: [00:38] Cmnd_Alias RESTARTNM = service network-manager restart [00:38] XMF ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:RESTARTNM [00:39] where XMF is whatever user you want to run this [00:39] wedgie, why are you not an op? [00:39] Or at least voiced? [00:39] ;) === Mobutils_ is now known as Mobutils [00:39] not nearly dedicated enough :P [00:39] That's actually the exact answer I spent two weeks trying to find, off and on, before giving up. [00:40] awesome thanks wedgie [00:40] why is linux stuck on skype version 4.3.X while windows has version 7.x? [00:40] XMF: i haven't tested it so try it with care. And be sure to use ''visudo'' to edit the config, not just a regular editor [00:40] I must get back to my self-healing script, lol. [00:41] right, ok [00:42] is says reference is not defined [00:42] for RESTARTNM [00:43] XMF: can you pastebin the config you have after adding those 2 lines? [00:43] (you did do the Cmnd_Alias part, right?) [00:43] lol no [00:43] sorry [00:44] what repisority is unity control center [00:45] I'm getting a bunch of syntax errors, I imagine I'm missing something? [00:46] aaaaand I'm an idiot, lol [00:47] anyone have a page that lists the default sources.list for yakety yak [00:47] anyone else has had spam as private messages? I got like hundreds while I was away [00:47] eka: yes. see topic for suggestions [00:47] wedgie: thanks [00:48] eka /mode eka +R [00:48] MarcoP: thanks [00:49] wedgie, am I missing something big? I'm trying to do this in a separate sudoers.d conf file, that's not working. [00:49] I'm just getting syntax errors on the Cmnd_Alias lines. [00:49] DarklightIndigo: can you pastebin the config? [00:50] Yeah, one sec, I just blitzed it to start over, I think I know what I did wrong. [00:52] It's literally the Cmnd_Alias lines. [00:52] ubuntu is certainly very fine now .. unity is my favorite DE now. . still some bugs .. some rough edges .. still not sure about snappy ... interested to know what happens in some time [00:53] also the linux audio system seems to still be a mess [00:53] Always fun when something fairly straightforward kicks back a syntax error, lol. [00:55] It just hit me. I didn't qualify them. [00:55] Four letter words were exchanged. [00:56] NoImNotNineVolt: Quick comment before I need to leave. KVM is an API from the Linux kernel that provides features that a virutal machine software will need, but it's just some of the buidling blocks and other things than qemu-kvm can be made with them. See https://lwn.net/Articles/658511/ for a fairly technical introduction to KVM. qemu is a piece of software that emulates hardware, in software. It can [00:56] Actually, I have a surprising grip on Deutsch. [00:56] emulate many CPUs (very slowly) or it can use KVM to use a virtualized rather than emulated CPU (but by default basically all other hardware is still emulated). libvirt is a library that helps people write software for managing virtual machines, like if you want to provision and maintain 1,000 qemu-kvm based virtual machines. [00:57] Okay, good, unused warnings. That's what I wanted to see. [00:58] aha! [00:58] So, in theory, I could chain the four commands together to reset the network manager and driver into one? [00:58] thank you much! that's an exceptionally clear description. [00:58] will read lwn article shortly. [00:59] DarklightIndigo: the alias can contain multiple commands: Cmnd_Alias FOO = command one, command two [01:00] Tres cool. I think this is what I need. :) [01:01] Okay [01:02] Cmnd_Alias RESETNET = /usr/sbin/service network-manager stop, /sbin/modprobe -r rtl8821ae, /sbin/modprobe rtl8821ae, /usr/sbin/service network-manager start [01:02] That sound right? [01:02] user host = (user) NOPASSWD:RESETNET [01:03] Where (user) is (myusername) [01:07] I should have looked in here sooner [01:07] DarklightIndigo: i'm not sudoers wizard, but looks reasonable to me [01:07] wedge: Thank you, I appreciate genuine help rather than the usual "don't run that!" admonishments I get, lol. [01:07] *wedgie [01:07] thanks both of you too lol [01:08] Okay, so the call to use a nonstandard sudoers config...? [01:08] Best practices, I don't like messing with the default files if I don't have to. Plus, the changes will survive an in-place upgrade. [01:09] DarklightIndigo: putting it in a sudoers.d/ file sounds like a good idea to me. [01:09] Right, but then how do I call that? [01:10] Seems to be the one thing people leave out, lol. === eifrri is now known as CANT_CHAT [01:10] meaning how does it get included in the main config? [01:11] by default the last line of /etc/sudoers should be: #includedir /etc/sudoers.d this calls in all of those files. === CANT_CHAT is now known as gj_opers [01:11] Ohhhh gotcha. [01:11] I'll cat that real quick. [01:11] Yep, looks good. [01:12] Thought it was a parameter. [01:12] Learn something new, lol! === gj_opers is now known as VOICE_PLZ [01:13] Of course the benefit is that the NIC is really the only part of this system that causes issues, so if I can script around that I'll be good. [01:13] Probably going to set up a cronjob or something to ping my router every 10 seconds or so. [01:14] Then have the failure switch to a sudo routine that drops nm, removes and reinserts the driver module, then restarts nm. [01:14] I've been doing part of that by hand. [01:15] It's not exactly an ideal fix, but that's the price you pay with third-rate hardware that's barely documented. [01:15] * chalcedony smiles [01:15] Hi! :) [01:16] is there something i can do to make a windows download of ubuntu work better over a very tiny connection? [01:17] How tiny? [01:17] hubby needs to reinstall 16.04 [01:17] we have the very smallest dsl [01:17] if i do things on my computer it breaks the download [01:18] That might actually be one of the best arguments for the Torrent I've ever read. [01:18] +1 [01:18] chalcedony, yes. use torrents, not download [01:18] ok [01:18] get the mini iso then chalcedony [01:18] Or at least a download manager. [01:18] !mini | chalcedony [01:18] chalcedony: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want. The installer is text based (rather than graphical as used on the Desktop DVD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [01:18] Hey folks .. moved from Unity to gnome-shell due to some graphical issues and enjoyed it a lot, also found out about some cool extensions to improve GUI experience ... but is it safe all those small extension from https://extensions.gnome.org/# ?? [01:18] or even from github ?? [01:19] gnuser, those are like PPA, totally at your own risk [01:19] gnuser, safe is determined by you and you alone [01:20] Depends on the developers, but usually they don't get repeat clients by intentionally causing issues, so maybe read more into the individual components, user reviews, and whatnot. [01:20] same with github gnuser so no use asking us [01:20] But yeah, there's a certain degree of risk with any third-party software. [01:20] a great degree [01:20] and not at all supported here [01:21] Risk is what you make of it. I mean, people have my real first name just by me coming here. [01:22] It's really a question of means, motive, and opportunity, and I've not seen a whole lot of developers with all three. [01:22] But again, subjective, and I'll leave it at that. :) [01:23] Hey, whatever happened to Jenda? [01:28] wedgie, guess what I just got to test! XD [01:28] DarklightIndigo1: hah! working? [01:29] Yeah, the commands are functional, now I just need to script this beast. === Vampire0_ is now known as Vampire0 [01:31] Now the moment of truth. [01:33] is there something wrong with the docker package - https://travis-ci.org/jeff1evesque/machine-learning/builds/181531653#L275? [01:33] my connection seems preety stable ... 0.2s lag, is it any good? [01:33] wedgie: In the words of Princess Koriand'r of Tamaran: GLORIOUS! :) [01:35] Anyone using Ubuntu 16.04 on a raspberrypi2/3? [01:36] Okay, so that sets my NIC straight for now, thanks wedgie! [01:36] DarklightIndigo: np [01:37] wedgie, you have a media center? PM me if it doesn't seem to be getting the right series data for some entries. ;) [01:37] DarklightIndigo: negative. No idea what that even means [01:38] Fair enough. Yeah, I meant an HTPC, but that's kinda a gray area and I'd have to kill logging to discuss in messages. ;) [01:38] Never in open chat, lol. [01:40] It's funny. The people that have trouble with our database know nothing about IRC, and the people who know about IRC don't ever seem to have trouble with our database. :) [01:40] Or even know it exists, for that matter, lol! [01:51] I am guessing there was a troll/spamer issue recently [01:54] when i tried `sudo apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confnew" install -y docker-engine=${DOCKER_VERSION}` [01:54] i got "E: There are problems and -y was used without --force-yes" [01:54] should i just throw in --force-yes [01:55] that commands seems a little clustered already [01:55] seems like so many darn flags === slack1 is now known as sl4ck [02:01] Without sounding like too much of a noobie, could someone update me on the 'audio popping / sound level notification pop-up' bug on 16.04? For some strange reason I haven't found a lot of material explaining any solutions for it? [02:02] Benguitar, best update will be on the bug report itself. [02:02] cfhowlett, Sweet I'll see if I can track that down. === Mobutils_ is now known as Mobutils [02:16] hi, can u help me? I have trouble with my ubuntu 16.04 and intel vga. https://imgur.com/a/VOIM2 I have this after long work. [02:19] metanovii: <- gets me " 503 Service Unavailable : try again ? [02:19] sorry https://imgur.com/jznRnOf [02:20] now ok? [02:23] metanovii: Yes, access gained . What DeskTop Environment is this ? [02:24] wouldn't you like to know [02:24] xfce [02:24] this xubuntu :D [02:29] metanovii: A theme issue ? Problems only with this application or all GUI apps ? [02:30] Hello, just upgraded from Ubuntu 14.04 to 16.04 - and Nautilus seems not to be responding [02:31] Bashing-om, problem with all gui :( [02:31] Guest60458: responding to what [02:32] reisio, click Nautilus icon - nothing comes up on screen [02:32] Have no file manager - fresh install of Ubuntu 16.04 [02:33] Guest60458: open up a terminal & run 'nautilus' [02:33] k [02:33] metanovii: Well , we can check that a driver is loaded ; ' sudo lshw -C display ' . Bit does not feel like a graphic's driver issue . [02:34] Can't log into ubuntu one account from store. [02:34] bit/but* [02:34] it is giving me an email/password not correct error, and I triple checked that my inputs are correct [02:34] fresh install, need to reinstall pastinbin === CompuDesktop is now known as Compu [02:35] Bashing-om, so much stroke, which u want see? [02:35] can bot refresh me on installing pastebin ? [02:35] driver=i915 latency=0 this? [02:36] Guest60458: pastebinit [02:36] metanovii: Pastebin that output for best results . [02:36] but I don't need to see any output, you can just say what happens [02:36] reisio, do I use apt-get to install pastebinit ? [02:37] terminal will not bring up nautilus , get error message [02:37] Bashing-om, i have russian locale , u can understand this? [02:37] some error involving g-bus [02:38] ** g_dbus [02:38] Bashing-om, http://pastebin.com/T0NAbCsR [02:40] Guest60458: what error? [02:41] need to run pastebinit to show you link of error message [02:47] metanovii: A driver " driver=i915 " is loaded ., Maybe - only a maybe - change the theme ?? [02:50] Bashing-om, I already tried it . And i have one more problem, i not see terminal by ctrl+alt+f(*) . === reisio_ is now known as reisio [02:54] metanovii: Yes, that is a system problem, However it is out of my range of experience and knowledge; others here perhaps can advise better . [02:57] reisio, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23586341/ [02:59] Guest60458: you said Ubuntu 16.04? [03:00] yes, reisio [03:02] did you try reinstalling nautilus? [03:03] no, but it is a total fresh install of 16.04 - from last night [03:03] well I wasn't saying you hadn't encountered a bug, that much is obvious [03:03] k [03:04] newbie, so not trying to prove anything [03:04] !nvidia | kk4ewt [03:04] kk4ewt, please see my private message [03:05] !nvidia [03:05] For nvidia and matrox graphics cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto . For AMD/ATI graphics cards, see « /msg ubottu ati » and « /msg ubottu fglrxmissing » [03:05] !pastebinit [03:05] pastebinit is the command-line equivalent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com [03:05] matrox :) [03:06] reisio, used apt-get to resintall nautilus - still same error message [03:09] Hi === Vampire0_ is now known as Vampire0 [03:09] My computer went blank screen during a dist-upgrade [03:09] Monitor fully shut off [03:10] But computer power is still on [03:10] Reisub doesn't work [03:10] Neither does switching to TTY [03:10] reisio, as an aside, could I install Midnight Command file manager - without borking my new install of Ubuntu 16.04 [03:10] When I tried rebooting [03:10] Grub hang [03:10] So I can't even switch OSes now [03:10] What should I do? [03:11] I am running Xubuntu 16.04 [03:11] Fully updated [03:11] Any advice? [03:15] Any suggestions? Anyone? [03:17] Grub version is 2.02^beta2-36ubuntu3.2 [03:18] Guest60458: shouldn't be a problem [03:18] oh man [03:18] oh man oh man [03:19] live usb, see if you can mount your file system and fix grub? [03:19] Alright [03:19] The system was working perfectly [03:19] I had chrome on [03:19] Redshift on [03:19] And the telegram chat client in one terminal [03:19] dist-upgrade will uninstall dependencies when a program no longer needs them [03:20] Dist-upgrade in another [03:20] its generally fine for desktops [03:20] It whole thing just died [03:20] Screen went blank all if a sudden [03:20] Machine still running [03:20] No hard disk activity [03:20] *the [03:20] *of [03:21] Will try booting from external CD now [03:21] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [03:21] looks like ubuntu has a walkthrough on it [03:22] the titles weird, but the procedure is to restore grub [03:22] Also ctrl alt delete is not working in frozen grub [03:22] thx, reisio [03:22] I am doing hard reboot now [03:23] Can I run lboo repair on a 32 bit OS with a 64 bit CD? [03:24] *boot repair [03:24] Because all of my Ubuntu disks are 64 bits [03:24] But the machine runs 32 bits is [03:24] Because or ram limitations [03:24] CPU is 64 bit capable [03:24] *of [03:24] But Acer restricted it's ram to 2 GB [03:25] So 32 bit for everything [03:25] So can I run boot repair on it from a 64bit recovery disk? [03:25] @port443 [03:25] ? [03:28] wat [03:28] Yes [03:28] The arch of the CD shouldnt matter at all for Grub [03:29] youre not installing binaries, just fixing configs [03:41] I really need to get nautilus working, any help appreciate [03:42] Guest60458, what's failing, what version are you on what desktop environment, need some more details on how you got where you are [03:43] Hi [03:43] fresh install of Ubuntu 16.04 and nautilus not working at all [03:43] Ppl, i've a question, i've seen a process called menu-process in htop [03:43] Guest60458, can you elaborate on "not working" doesn't open when you try to open the folders? or launching from terminal fails somehow [03:43] It is some kind of malware? [03:44] Cause on internet i didn't find results speaking of it as a program or something like that [03:44] Im using Lubuntu 16.04.1 [03:44] doesn't open when I click icon for nautilus [03:44] I've killed it, it didn't reappear. [03:45] Guest60458, can you try launching from terminal to see if you get any error output or anything, can sometimes lead to more details on what's going wrong, I have Ubuntu Gnome 16.04.1 here and nautilus is working okay so not a problem I can reproduce here [03:46] wafflejock, , http://paste.ubuntu.com/23586341/ [03:46] hi, i have created a .desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications dir but the icon is not displayed in launcher any idea why? [03:47] Ariel, quizá el .desktop no está bien armado (maybe the .desktop file is wrong) [03:48] Copiá algún archivo .desktop que esté bien y modificalo (copy some working .desktop file then modify it). [03:51] i got it, i opened file manager and dragged the desktop file to launcher and now it works like charm :) [03:53] Hmm, en Lubuntu eso no funciona xD, (in Lubuntu that doesn't work). [03:53] Guest60458, not sure the critical error and exiting part makes sense in terms of what it's doing but not sure what the error means in particular here [03:54] Ariel_Calzada, good to hear sometimes for things to appear in the dash or in other launchers you have to restart the launcher (typically Alt+F2 then R and enter) or reboot [03:55] Guest60458, you may want to try to reinstall nautilus possibly... not really sure where to go with that one [03:57] wafflejock, already tried to reinstall nautilus - no success [03:57] Guest60458, found an older thread where people had similar problems solved by fixing broken links for nautilus but maybe purge and install if the reinstall didn't work https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=887254 === cigumo_ is now known as cigumo [03:58] thx wafflejock [03:58] Guest60458, no prob good luck let me know if it works out [03:59] b [03:59] Sry, wrong key [04:01] how come i dont see software&upgrades in my system settings [04:01] ? [04:02] k, wafflejock , thx again [04:14] I'm upgrading from my 386 install to x64- due to limited SATA ports on the motherboard, if I install the OS to a SATA drive connected via a USB adapter, then power down and swap that drive with the previously-booted HD, it should start up just fine, right? [04:15] *previously booted via a SATA port... [04:17] I have a fresh install of ubuntu but .deb files I try to open wont load into the software center. Also when I search for packages I am perpetually left at a loading screen. How do I fix this? [04:38] golden_ticket, whats wrong with sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb? [04:39] Sorch, I kind of would like to just browse the market. I'd like to be able to install it as normal. Rather than use a workaround. [04:42] Evenin Gents === tominator is now known as tom88 [04:48] Whoever thought including gnome software was a good idea ... :-[ === tom88 is now known as That === That is now known as tom88 [04:55] 5 [04:55] sorry about that [05:15] xangua: what does that do? [05:15] I'm having issues with my 16 upgrade right now, and that process seems to be constantly sucking the most cpu [05:16] and then I see this in my apt list-- [05:16] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7926077/how-to-get-diff-for-specified-user-between-two-dates-from-git [05:16] er [05:16] damn c/p, sorry === Mobutils_ is now known as Mobutils [05:17] cant even c/p from the vm properly now, heh [05:17] The following packages have been kept back: gnome-software... etc [05:26] Well if it isn't my favorite channel [05:26] tom88, formerly known as tom [05:26] and tom-macbook [05:26] tom88: you have an ubuntu support question? [05:26] Well actually yes [05:27] Is there any way to replace Unity(?) I think it is called, with another dekstop environment? [05:27] But in a way I can switch at the login screen [05:28] tom88: you can choose different enviroments [05:28] !flavors | tom88 [05:28] tom88: Recognized Ubuntu flavors build on Ubuntu and provide a different user experience out of the box. They are supported both in #ubuntu and in their flavor channel. The current list is: !Edubuntu, !Ubuntu-GNOME, !Kubuntu, Ubuntu !Kylin, !Lubuntu, !Mythbuntu, Ubuntu !Studio, !Xubuntu, and Ubuntu !MATE [05:29] tom88: replacing unity isnt such a great idea, but installing another enviroment sideways is [05:30] lotuspsychje, Yes, alongside Unity is what I would like [05:30] LXDE specifically [05:30] I wanna chmod a girl [05:30] How can i do? [05:30] XD [05:30] Oh, shit, wrong channel . . . [05:30] Sry... [05:30] tom88: As sinple as installing the desktop that you want and choosing it at the login screen .. But be aware backing out is bit yndoable and there can be some DE ' conflicts ' . [05:31] Bashing-om, Good Evening Bashing :) What do you mean backing out? [05:31] in ubuntu/hexchat how do i copy and paste? [05:32] ablest, Control+C [05:32] ablest, Control+V [05:32] thanks [05:32] or right click where you type and click paste [05:32] tom88: There is no easy undo to remove a installed desktop . [05:33] doesnt work in hexchat [05:33] for pasting it does [05:33] copying no it doesn't [05:33] Bashing-om, So would I be better off just leaving it be? [05:33] k [05:33] thanks [05:36] tom88: if you like lxde, perhaps installing lubuntu clean would be a good idea? [05:38] lotuspsychje, I recently Installed Lubuntu on a macbook air and I quite liked the environment, so I was just curious if I could put it alongside unity [05:38] tom88: Not at all .. try it and see what results . you do keep backups, right ? .. then it is but a matter of 30 minutes to wipe the mistake away and re-install with the desktop that you have grown to admire . Butt my take .. test with a liveDVD; find that perfect one and do a clean install . [05:41] Bashing-om, I use the default Ubuntu backup utility when I feel I'm straying into dangerous waters...whether that is any good or not is beyond me. [05:41] Bashing-om, And you're saying to change desktop environments and restore a backup? [05:41] tom88: ^^ miost assuredly you can also install the lxde also with unity . and choose the one you want at the login screen . [05:41] tom88: keep your data on external devices, harddisk, usb,.. [05:42] tom88: Sorry, just saying what I would do . and alwys be prepared for the worst case situation . [05:43] Bashing-om, I appreciate the advice as usual :) [05:44] Bashing-om, Is Duplicity(?) a good utility? [05:45] tom88: Keep in mind that with 2 DEs installed we only hear of the few problems .. not a word from the thousands that are happy . [05:47] Bashing-om, I see. So if I were to install a second DE, what would you recommend in the way of steps to take? [05:50] !info lubuntu-desktop | tom88 [05:50] tom88: lubuntu-desktop (source: lubuntu-meta): Lubuntu Desktop environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.72 (yakkety), package size 2 kB, installed size 14 kB (Only available for i386; amd64; powerpc; armhf) [05:50] tom88: Depends on your paranoia level . Backups .. well you will find all you need to back up is your personal data - and keep a change log . system files are system files .. and are on the DVD ir in the repo . keep a change log of all changes you make to the system and learn to use the package manager . There is nothing else really needed . [05:50] !desktop [05:50] A desktop environment is what "puts the pieces of a !GUI together". The available desktop environments in Ubuntu are !GNOME (ubuntu-desktop), !KDE (kubuntu-desktop), !Xfce (xubuntu-desktop), !LXDE (lubuntu-desktop), IceWM, !Fluxbox, WindowMaker (wmaker), FVWM and others - See also !Flavors [05:51] tom88: ^^ ' sudo apt install ; . All there is to it . [05:51] Understood! [05:52] Bashing-om, Again, you know all :P [05:52] Bashing-om, The system we fixed (you fixed) is working great by the way! [05:52]